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adlert posted 04-25-2011 10:52 AM ET (US)
Though I've not gotten my 1974 19 footer restored yet I'm quite sure I'm going to love the boat's overall design and performance. Based on what I can see in the hull and what I've read on this site she'll prove to be a true Boston Whaler classic performance-wise and possess all the qualities I value most in these boats. A true self bailing cockpit, relatively light-weight hull but rock solid, low draft, easy and efficient to push, outstanding lateral stability, a built in cast netting platform, unusual amounts of storage for a classic Whaler, and probably most importantly to me, excellent manners and seaworthiness in a following sea.
My only area of "concern" - more curiousity at this point - is the unique splash well/fish box design. With such a proven record I want to think Dougherty's out-of-the-box genius was likely applied to this area of the boat too. Nevertheless, I'm just not sure I see it all clearly right now having no time behind the wheel. At this point I can see that resistence to taking on water (into the cockpit area) from the stern should be extremely good as ultimately there is quite a lip for the water to breach and by design, this final splash retainer lip is quite a ways from the actual transom. This design feature creates a veritable flood plain back there separate from the cockpit deck with immediate overboard drainage. I think I will value this aspect of the design very much as taking water over the stern is by far my greatest concern. I plan to keep the Outrage splash area clear of clutter (batteries etc.) so that I can use the area as much as possible. It appears to me Dougherty also had this option in mind too. It looks quite fishable to me and very comfortable to board from a swim platform.
As supplied, the "live well" isn't, though I think I can modify it in an unabtrusive way to make it a good one. Obviously a nice fish box at the least. Having the weight of the live well water back at the stern will likely be perfect for me, especially since the old original 115 OMC back there ways so little. Not having the limited deck space chewed up by a separate livewell also makes great sense.
The full width "step pad" forming the final splash well wall and partitioning the cockpit proper from the splash well area is easy enough to step onto or over. I've yet to use the boat so I'm not sure how this arrangement will grab me ultimately. Obviously it can serve as a great support for optional seating if/when wanted. It will also be nice to step on when entering the boat from a dock - not such a single large step down from the gunwhale.
Overall, I can see at least one potential drawback with this built in "flood plain" design however. Though I anticipate water intrusions from the rear to be handled superbly, should water get into the cockpit for whatever reason, dumping the water over the transom will not be an option without some cleve modifications. Otherwise, it will all have to go down the cockpit sump.
I'd like to hear from owners of this boat with actual time at the helm regarding their feelings on the Outrage 19 splash well design. What's good, great, bad about this design? Would you have rather the boat been designed with a larger deck area and smaller, more traditional splash well sans "live well" (like the 18 Outrage for example)? Have you found benefits and/or creative ways to use the 19 Outrage splash well design - uses that would not have been possible with a more traditional set-up?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
Tohsgib posted 04-25-2011 01:39 PM ET (US)
I don't fish so I converted it to a dual setup. One half is garbage and lid opens to the cockpit. The other side is a cooler and opens to the stern. This way when you are floating around you don't have to reach inside th eboat and down into a cooler to grab a cold one. I have a stern seat so water coming over thais nearly impossible. Even if it did it would just drain out the hole in the floor under it.
adlert posted 04-25-2011 02:00 PM ET (US)
Interesting Nick, I was hoping to hear from you. Truth be told I don't fish much, Jjust when I get to salt water which is only once a year or so. Your idea sounds like a very good one. Do you have any pictures by chance?
dfmcintyre posted 04-25-2011 06:43 PM ET (US)
Tim -
Although there are differences between the 19' and the 21' hull, I thought I'd pass on a suggestion.
The 21's well is initially slightly sloped, with a small step pad on either side of the motor. The angle of the slope increases and levels out to an area large enough to sit on. There are three hatches (wood than fiberglass on later models) in that area.
When I repainted mine, I taped off and applied a painted coating with heavy grit on the step pads. I plan on doing the same in the splashwell area too. Slipped one too many times.
Regards - Don
adlert posted 04-25-2011 09:27 PM ET (US)
Thanks very much for the suggestion Don. Sounds like wise words from experience; that's what I'm looking for. My splash well area has many cracks in the gel coat anyway so that modification makes excellent sense all around.
Tim
Tohsgib posted 04-26-2011 02:01 PM ET (US)
No pics of that yet. Funny thing is my boat is free of spider cracks except in that area. My boat has never been bottom painted so it has nothing to do with water staying in that area(which it does not do anyway).
L H G posted 04-26-2011 04:56 PM ET (US)
From what I understand, the 70's 19/21 Outrage/Revenge models were notorious for spider cracking of the gelcoat. Whaler used a gelcoat that was too hard and rigid, and often applied it too thickly. They later solved that problem by the time the 2nd generation boats were introduced. I think the cracking comes from thermal stress, transom stress, and wider ranges of temperature, from winter sub-zero cold to summer heat and humidity. UV exposure may play a part also.
I would guess that a 100% Florida boat might have fewer gelcoat stress cracks.
My 1975 19 was stored unused for 30 years, and only had about 200 hours of total use on it when I bought it. But it was stored in an unheated building in northern WI where it suffered a lot of themal stress from the seasons. As a result, it has it's share of transom area stress cracks inspite of limited use with low HP engines.
tjxtreme posted 04-26-2011 09:22 PM ET (US)
Tim- do you have pictures of the splash well or your restoration? I am curious to see.
Andrew
dfmcintyre posted 04-26-2011 09:41 PM ET (US)
Larry -
Are you planning on redoing that area and if so, with gel (and the subsequent sanding) or paint that's been matched to the hull?. I've developed a very slight crack along the seam where the vertical of the transom meets with the splashwell. Since the hull has been painted for over ten years, I'll just fill, sand, prime and paint. And create some gritted step areas on both sides of the splashwell.
One other area I'm going to add gritted step pads is on the inside of the forward, on deck anchor locker. Seems that the most convenient way for me to pull anchor is to open the locker, step into the locker with both feet wide, against the inside walls and pull up on the line. I've slipped there too.
Regards, Don
L H G posted 04-26-2011 09:47 PM ET (US)
These three photos give you an idea of what a classic 19 Outrage splashwell looks like.
It is very unusual, and the only Outrage model that I know of that has a fish well recessed into the splashwell area. It's quite deep into the hull, and then to give more depth, they framed it with a raised lip that supports a large teak cover, about 16" x 43". Batteries or oil tanks are to be placed on either side of the fish well.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=IMG_0356.jpg
(above shown without teak cover in place)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=R1-11.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=R1-10.jpg
If you look at some of the other photos in the Album, you can see that I made an alternate fishwell cover out of 1/2" marine plywood to carry a Moeller 16 gallon fuel tank (which fits it perfectly), for occasions when more fuel capacity than the belly 42 gallon tank provides.
adlert posted 04-27-2011 08:29 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the pictures Larry. Andrew, I'll try to add some additional pictures but know ahead of time I'm only in the tear-down part of the job. My console has been removed as has the tank cover but I've not dug the tank out yet for inspection.
I am sure Larry is correct in noting battery and oil tanks were meant to be kept in the splash well. Still, in my boat this area will remain as clean as possible. I'm actually thinking of building up the area on either side of the "live" well in some fashion that creates a nice level platform all the way across for more stable access and use. The new, elevated walking area surrounding the well would of course be extremely fast draining - something like an elevated grating more than platforms. Maybe strips of teak built with several short legs judiciously placed for support. It could then easily be removed if wanted.
We'll see. Getting ideas of the usefullness (or lack) of this area is what I'm after here.
Larry, when you're not utilizing your second, fuel carrying well cover, what do you use that large well for? Do you ever wish it just wasn't there or designed differently?
tjxtreme posted 04-27-2011 10:01 AM ET (US)
LHG- well composed and well lit photographs, I never thought I'd enjoy looking at wiring and gas tank pictures so much.
Tim- I look forward to seeing your pics... take lots even if you don't post them until later. I regret not taking more during my restoration.
L H G posted 04-27-2011 11:12 AM ET (US)
Don - I was just looking at my splashwell stress cracking the other day, and decided I might try and repair those cracks with gelcoat. There are no areas of paint at all on this hull. It does look like a nasty job, in tight places to work and sand, however. In mine, most of these are around the two transom through-hulls around the little rounded out recess in the splashwell floor. I am not concerned about them structurally, just cosmetically, but have wondered whether they let any water through the glass skin?
I have determined this problem is a problem of the early Desert Tan interior gelcoat. The exterior hull of the boat, a lighter color, does not have a single stress crack, nowhere! Nor does the hull, inside or out, of the ribside 21, also a whiter color. The interior Desert Tan gelcoat used in those days seems to be the specific problem.
But on both boats, I have also determined that the single skin top shell is vulnerable to stress cracking, probably because of some flexing.
Tin - I really love the look of the substantial teak fishwell cover. I think it's a beautiful detail. I just leave it in place as is, but don't set anything on top of it. You can step on it, of course, for acess to the engine, etc. I would not use the boat with the well left open. The only problem is that if some water rolls up over the well lip and gets in there (rarely), there is no way to get rid of it except when running on plane. So far, I have only used the boat in clean fresh water, so I leave the two transom drain plugs out. When in reverse, some water will flow in, but it runs right out since the drains are above the water line at rest. In salt water or muddy water, I think I would keep those plugs in place. I can't recall any instance where I took any water over the transom. The boat floats very high and transom tends to stay completely dry.
TJ - thank you for enjoying the photos!
All in all, I've got to say, I really love this boat, MUCH MUCH more than I ever anticipated. Actually, initially, I was going to re-sell it once cleaned up and detailed, but now, I can't part with it. I particularly like it's wider beam, great lateral stability, truly classic lines, and good fuel economy. Whaler made over 1400 of these hulls, in Outrage and Revenge versions combined, but you don't seem to see many around anymore. I wonder where they have all gone?
Tohsgib posted 04-27-2011 01:57 PM ET (US)
Larry...look at it this way. 1400 hulls in 50 states equals 28 boats per state. With that I doubt you will see many no matter where you live. The fact that I have owned 2 identical boats is amazing to me. I try and post as many as I see in the marketplace.
dino54904 posted 04-27-2011 04:11 PM ET (US)
Hi Tim,
My 19' is set up the same way as LHG's. I fish Lake Michigan and use the well to hold the occasional fish I manage to catch. It's a fish locker and not a live well because water does not circulate well in this locker even with the drain plug out. I leave the drain plug in and fill the well up with about 40# of ice (and a few beers). The ice lasts all day in Wisconsin weather which never gets too hot. When not used as a fish locker I leave it empty because it is not a dry locker. Water always manages to find its way from the splash well into that locker. I'm not sure what else I would have used this space for if I were redesigning the boat. I would not want anything too heavy in that area because with main engine (150 Johnson)the kicker (8hp Yamaha), battery and oil tank the stern of the boat is heavy enough.
Have fun with the redesign of your 19' Whaler. Be careful with the cost of restoration. It is easy to end up with a boat that is worth $8,500 that cost you $15,000 to restore.
Dino
adlert posted 04-27-2011 05:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the information Dino. I appreciate your comment regarding not knowing how else to use that space back there. Nevertheless I am still wondering if any of you 19 owners ever wish it was simply left open, i.e. no big beautiful fish box, just a small splash well area and more cockpit deck space as done in most boats.
Not to worry regarding getting more money into a boat than it's worth. That applies to all my craft as none of them have any street value whatsoever. I never sell them.
Tohsgib posted 04-27-2011 09:50 PM ET (US)
Mine was open for years. Used it as a garbage bin.
dfmcintyre posted 04-28-2011 08:33 PM ET (US)
Larry -
How close in size is the 19's teak hatch to the 21's aft teak hatch?
Don
PS - Tim West over at Great Lakes Marine is renovating a 16' Nauset (and doing a slight upgrade to a, um.... "semi" Sakonnet. Does not have the forward platform, but will have a new console, reversible seat and cabinet). The current owner is the son of the first owner, who bought it in 1966. It will be a show stopper in the Harbor Springs area later this year.
L H G posted 04-29-2011 12:48 AM ET (US)
Don - I'm not all that familiar with the transom design of your 21, but I think it's a different size. The cover on the 19 is 16" wide by 42" long, consisting of three 3/4" boards with bracing underneath. It's a substantial assembly.
Sometime early summer, after JimG returns from FL, I expect to have the 19 out your way, so hopefully the group can get together for some boating like we have done in the past. My daughter in Birmingham now has a Whaler also.
adlert posted 05-01-2011 10:59 AM ET (US)
Nick, when I wrote "left open" I meant designed without the fish box there at all, i.e., more like the 18 with more deck, and less stern splash well area. It is what it is, and I'll still love the boat I'm sure. Nevertheless I'm still wondering if you or Larry (or any other owner) have ever thought you'd like the boat even more if the aft deck area were larger and the splash well area smaller.
Thanks,
Tim
Tohsgib posted 05-02-2011 02:30 PM ET (US)
With the stern seat...absolutely not, I like the splahwell area. Without the seat I can see your point but then again I have a Revenge which has more interior room than an Outrage.
L H G posted 05-03-2011 07:05 PM ET (US)
I think the original splashwell design of the 19 is very functional and good looking, particularly with the beautiful teak well cover. I would not alter it at all.

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Author	Topic: The rather unique design of the 1970's 19 foot Outrage Stern splashwell.
adlert	posted 04-25-2011 10:52 AM ET (US) Though I've not gotten my 1974 19 footer restored yet I'm quite sure I'm going to love the boat's overall design and performance. Based on what I can see in the hull and what I've read on this site she'll prove to be a true Boston Whaler classic performance-wise and possess all the qualities I value most in these boats. A true self bailing cockpit, relatively light-weight hull but rock solid, low draft, easy and efficient to push, outstanding lateral stability, a built in cast netting platform, unusual amounts of storage for a classic Whaler, and probably most importantly to me, excellent manners and seaworthiness in a following sea. My only area of "concern" - more curiousity at this point - is the unique splash well/fish box design. With such a proven record I want to think Dougherty's out-of-the-box genius was likely applied to this area of the boat too. Nevertheless, I'm just not sure I see it all clearly right now having no time behind the wheel. At this point I can see that resistence to taking on water (into the cockpit area) from the stern should be extremely good as ultimately there is quite a lip for the water to breach and by design, this final splash retainer lip is quite a ways from the actual transom. This design feature creates a veritable flood plain back there separate from the cockpit deck with immediate overboard drainage. I think I will value this aspect of the design very much as taking water over the stern is by far my greatest concern. I plan to keep the Outrage splash area clear of clutter (batteries etc.) so that I can use the area as much as possible. It appears to me Dougherty also had this option in mind too. It looks quite fishable to me and very comfortable to board from a swim platform. As supplied, the "live well" isn't, though I think I can modify it in an unabtrusive way to make it a good one. Obviously a nice fish box at the least. Having the weight of the live well water back at the stern will likely be perfect for me, especially since the old original 115 OMC back there ways so little. Not having the limited deck space chewed up by a separate livewell also makes great sense. The full width "step pad" forming the final splash well wall and partitioning the cockpit proper from the splash well area is easy enough to step onto or over. I've yet to use the boat so I'm not sure how this arrangement will grab me ultimately. Obviously it can serve as a great support for optional seating if/when wanted. It will also be nice to step on when entering the boat from a dock - not such a single large step down from the gunwhale. Overall, I can see at least one potential drawback with this built in "flood plain" design however. Though I anticipate water intrusions from the rear to be handled superbly, should water get into the cockpit for whatever reason, dumping the water over the transom will not be an option without some cleve modifications. Otherwise, it will all have to go down the cockpit sump. I'd like to hear from owners of this boat with actual time at the helm regarding their feelings on the Outrage 19 splash well design. What's good, great, bad about this design? Would you have rather the boat been designed with a larger deck area and smaller, more traditional splash well sans "live well" (like the 18 Outrage for example)? Have you found benefits and/or creative ways to use the 19 Outrage splash well design - uses that would not have been possible with a more traditional set-up? Thanks in advance, Tim
Tohsgib	posted 04-25-2011 01:39 PM ET (US) I don't fish so I converted it to a dual setup. One half is garbage and lid opens to the cockpit. The other side is a cooler and opens to the stern. This way when you are floating around you don't have to reach inside th eboat and down into a cooler to grab a cold one. I have a stern seat so water coming over thais nearly impossible. Even if it did it would just drain out the hole in the floor under it.
adlert	posted 04-25-2011 02:00 PM ET (US) Interesting Nick, I was hoping to hear from you. Truth be told I don't fish much, Jjust when I get to salt water which is only once a year or so. Your idea sounds like a very good one. Do you have any pictures by chance?
dfmcintyre	posted 04-25-2011 06:43 PM ET (US) Tim - Although there are differences between the 19' and the 21' hull, I thought I'd pass on a suggestion. The 21's well is initially slightly sloped, with a small step pad on either side of the motor. The angle of the slope increases and levels out to an area large enough to sit on. There are three hatches (wood than fiberglass on later models) in that area. When I repainted mine, I taped off and applied a painted coating with heavy grit on the step pads. I plan on doing the same in the splashwell area too. Slipped one too many times. Regards - Don
adlert	posted 04-25-2011 09:27 PM ET (US) Thanks very much for the suggestion Don. Sounds like wise words from experience; that's what I'm looking for. My splash well area has many cracks in the gel coat anyway so that modification makes excellent sense all around. Tim
Tohsgib	posted 04-26-2011 02:01 PM ET (US) No pics of that yet. Funny thing is my boat is free of spider cracks except in that area. My boat has never been bottom painted so it has nothing to do with water staying in that area(which it does not do anyway).
L H G	posted 04-26-2011 04:56 PM ET (US) From what I understand, the 70's 19/21 Outrage/Revenge models were notorious for spider cracking of the gelcoat. Whaler used a gelcoat that was too hard and rigid, and often applied it too thickly. They later solved that problem by the time the 2nd generation boats were introduced. I think the cracking comes from thermal stress, transom stress, and wider ranges of temperature, from winter sub-zero cold to summer heat and humidity. UV exposure may play a part also. I would guess that a 100% Florida boat might have fewer gelcoat stress cracks. My 1975 19 was stored unused for 30 years, and only had about 200 hours of total use on it when I bought it. But it was stored in an unheated building in northern WI where it suffered a lot of themal stress from the seasons. As a result, it has it's share of transom area stress cracks inspite of limited use with low HP engines.
tjxtreme	posted 04-26-2011 09:22 PM ET (US) Tim- do you have pictures of the splash well or your restoration? I am curious to see. Andrew
dfmcintyre	posted 04-26-2011 09:41 PM ET (US) Larry - Are you planning on redoing that area and if so, with gel (and the subsequent sanding) or paint that's been matched to the hull?. I've developed a very slight crack along the seam where the vertical of the transom meets with the splashwell. Since the hull has been painted for over ten years, I'll just fill, sand, prime and paint. And create some gritted step areas on both sides of the splashwell. One other area I'm going to add gritted step pads is on the inside of the forward, on deck anchor locker. Seems that the most convenient way for me to pull anchor is to open the locker, step into the locker with both feet wide, against the inside walls and pull up on the line. I've slipped there too. Regards, Don
L H G	posted 04-26-2011 09:47 PM ET (US) These three photos give you an idea of what a classic 19 Outrage splashwell looks like. It is very unusual, and the only Outrage model that I know of that has a fish well recessed into the splashwell area. It's quite deep into the hull, and then to give more depth, they framed it with a raised lip that supports a large teak cover, about 16" x 43". Batteries or oil tanks are to be placed on either side of the fish well. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=IMG_0356.jpg (above shown without teak cover in place) http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=R1-11.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=R1-10.jpg If you look at some of the other photos in the Album, you can see that I made an alternate fishwell cover out of 1/2" marine plywood to carry a Moeller 16 gallon fuel tank (which fits it perfectly), for occasions when more fuel capacity than the belly 42 gallon tank provides.
adlert	posted 04-27-2011 08:29 AM ET (US) Thanks for the pictures Larry. Andrew, I'll try to add some additional pictures but know ahead of time I'm only in the tear-down part of the job. My console has been removed as has the tank cover but I've not dug the tank out yet for inspection. I am sure Larry is correct in noting battery and oil tanks were meant to be kept in the splash well. Still, in my boat this area will remain as clean as possible. I'm actually thinking of building up the area on either side of the "live" well in some fashion that creates a nice level platform all the way across for more stable access and use. The new, elevated walking area surrounding the well would of course be extremely fast draining - something like an elevated grating more than platforms. Maybe strips of teak built with several short legs judiciously placed for support. It could then easily be removed if wanted. We'll see. Getting ideas of the usefullness (or lack) of this area is what I'm after here. Larry, when you're not utilizing your second, fuel carrying well cover, what do you use that large well for? Do you ever wish it just wasn't there or designed differently?
tjxtreme	posted 04-27-2011 10:01 AM ET (US) LHG- well composed and well lit photographs, I never thought I'd enjoy looking at wiring and gas tank pictures so much. Tim- I look forward to seeing your pics... take lots even if you don't post them until later. I regret not taking more during my restoration.
L H G	posted 04-27-2011 11:12 AM ET (US) Don - I was just looking at my splashwell stress cracking the other day, and decided I might try and repair those cracks with gelcoat. There are no areas of paint at all on this hull. It does look like a nasty job, in tight places to work and sand, however. In mine, most of these are around the two transom through-hulls around the little rounded out recess in the splashwell floor. I am not concerned about them structurally, just cosmetically, but have wondered whether they let any water through the glass skin? I have determined this problem is a problem of the early Desert Tan interior gelcoat. The exterior hull of the boat, a lighter color, does not have a single stress crack, nowhere! Nor does the hull, inside or out, of the ribside 21, also a whiter color. The interior Desert Tan gelcoat used in those days seems to be the specific problem. But on both boats, I have also determined that the single skin top shell is vulnerable to stress cracking, probably because of some flexing. Tin - I really love the look of the substantial teak fishwell cover. I think it's a beautiful detail. I just leave it in place as is, but don't set anything on top of it. You can step on it, of course, for acess to the engine, etc. I would not use the boat with the well left open. The only problem is that if some water rolls up over the well lip and gets in there (rarely), there is no way to get rid of it except when running on plane. So far, I have only used the boat in clean fresh water, so I leave the two transom drain plugs out. When in reverse, some water will flow in, but it runs right out since the drains are above the water line at rest. In salt water or muddy water, I think I would keep those plugs in place. I can't recall any instance where I took any water over the transom. The boat floats very high and transom tends to stay completely dry. TJ - thank you for enjoying the photos! All in all, I've got to say, I really love this boat, MUCH MUCH more than I ever anticipated. Actually, initially, I was going to re-sell it once cleaned up and detailed, but now, I can't part with it. I particularly like it's wider beam, great lateral stability, truly classic lines, and good fuel economy. Whaler made over 1400 of these hulls, in Outrage and Revenge versions combined, but you don't seem to see many around anymore. I wonder where they have all gone?
Tohsgib	posted 04-27-2011 01:57 PM ET (US) Larry...look at it this way. 1400 hulls in 50 states equals 28 boats per state. With that I doubt you will see many no matter where you live. The fact that I have owned 2 identical boats is amazing to me. I try and post as many as I see in the marketplace.
dino54904	posted 04-27-2011 04:11 PM ET (US) Hi Tim, My 19' is set up the same way as LHG's. I fish Lake Michigan and use the well to hold the occasional fish I manage to catch. It's a fish locker and not a live well because water does not circulate well in this locker even with the drain plug out. I leave the drain plug in and fill the well up with about 40# of ice (and a few beers). The ice lasts all day in Wisconsin weather which never gets too hot. When not used as a fish locker I leave it empty because it is not a dry locker. Water always manages to find its way from the splash well into that locker. I'm not sure what else I would have used this space for if I were redesigning the boat. I would not want anything too heavy in that area because with main engine (150 Johnson)the kicker (8hp Yamaha), battery and oil tank the stern of the boat is heavy enough. Have fun with the redesign of your 19' Whaler. Be careful with the cost of restoration. It is easy to end up with a boat that is worth $8,500 that cost you $15,000 to restore. Dino
adlert	posted 04-27-2011 05:04 PM ET (US) Thanks for the information Dino. I appreciate your comment regarding not knowing how else to use that space back there. Nevertheless I am still wondering if any of you 19 owners ever wish it was simply left open, i.e. no big beautiful fish box, just a small splash well area and more cockpit deck space as done in most boats. Not to worry regarding getting more money into a boat than it's worth. That applies to all my craft as none of them have any street value whatsoever. I never sell them.
Tohsgib	posted 04-27-2011 09:50 PM ET (US) Mine was open for years. Used it as a garbage bin.
dfmcintyre	posted 04-28-2011 08:33 PM ET (US) Larry - How close in size is the 19's teak hatch to the 21's aft teak hatch? Don PS - Tim West over at Great Lakes Marine is renovating a 16' Nauset (and doing a slight upgrade to a, um.... "semi" Sakonnet. Does not have the forward platform, but will have a new console, reversible seat and cabinet). The current owner is the son of the first owner, who bought it in 1966. It will be a show stopper in the Harbor Springs area later this year.
L H G	posted 04-29-2011 12:48 AM ET (US) Don - I'm not all that familiar with the transom design of your 21, but I think it's a different size. The cover on the 19 is 16" wide by 42" long, consisting of three 3/4" boards with bracing underneath. It's a substantial assembly. Sometime early summer, after JimG returns from FL, I expect to have the 19 out your way, so hopefully the group can get together for some boating like we have done in the past. My daughter in Birmingham now has a Whaler also.
adlert	posted 05-01-2011 10:59 AM ET (US) Nick, when I wrote "left open" I meant designed without the fish box there at all, i.e., more like the 18 with more deck, and less stern splash well area. It is what it is, and I'll still love the boat I'm sure. Nevertheless I'm still wondering if you or Larry (or any other owner) have ever thought you'd like the boat even more if the aft deck area were larger and the splash well area smaller. Thanks, Tim
Tohsgib	posted 05-02-2011 02:30 PM ET (US) With the stern seat...absolutely not, I like the splahwell area. Without the seat I can see your point but then again I have a Revenge which has more interior room than an Outrage.
L H G	posted 05-03-2011 07:05 PM ET (US) I think the original splashwell design of the 19 is very functional and good looking, particularly with the beautiful teak well cover. I would not alter it at all.