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fina posted 05-13-2011 03:58 PM ET (US)
is the old 9' squall self bailing?
in other words, can you leave it on a mooring with the plug pulled?
contender posted 05-13-2011 05:04 PM ET (US)
Fina: its a whaler it will not sink, how high will the water go? but, yes you can leave the plug out. I would be more worried about getting it (whaler) stuck under something (dock, bridge, etc.) when the tide goes in and out....
fina posted 05-14-2011 11:01 AM ET (US)
what is the horsepower capacity?
Tom W Clark posted 05-14-2011 12:04 PM ET (US)
Five.
fina posted 05-14-2011 12:10 PM ET (US)
Thx Tom
My plan is to keep it on a mooring with the plug pulled with no motor on it.
Will it sit high enough in the water with the plug pulled?
Tom W Clark posted 05-14-2011 03:40 PM ET (US)
Yes.
fina posted 05-15-2011 04:45 PM ET (US)
do you know how the centerboard would normally mount on the boat.
It appears that it wound mount from the bottom.
I was considering glassing the keel over.
contender posted 05-15-2011 05:56 PM ET (US)
Bad idea, the squall has a round bottom and the only thing that keeps it some what stable(upright) is the keel/centerboard, unless you like swimming. The center board had a handle (inside of the boat) that would lower it from the inside, It road on a single pin on the front of the centerboard and a pin would hold it in place.
Tom W Clark posted 05-15-2011 08:04 PM ET (US)
The centerboard has nothing to do with stability, it merely prevents side slip when you are sailing.
If the boat is not going to be used as a sailboat, you can get rid of the centerboard.
David Jenkins posted 05-16-2011 12:31 AM ET (US)
I have owned a couple of Squalls and have spent a lot of time in 9' and 11' tenders. In my opinion you should consider selling the Squall to someone who wants to use it as a sailboat. Then use the money to buy a 9' tender (or better yet, an 11' tender—if the extra weight and size is not a problem for your needs). The Squall is tipsy, with or without the centerboard. It will not sink but you can turn it over. In contrast, you can stand on the gunnel of an 11' Whaler and the lateral stability is amazing. Plus with 25hp the 11' will get on a plane with two adults on board. That is my advice. Cheers!
kwik_wurk posted 05-16-2011 12:38 AM ET (US)
A centerboard has a ton to do with stability in a layman's term.
As mentioned, stability is not the correct word I would use in a technical discussion about boats. (Stability technically refers to the ability of a boat to keep upright relative to it's center of gravity, buoyancy, displacement, etc.)
To contradict the definition, and go back to layman's term of stability: If you want more stability with your boat while you are in it (either just moving around, or rowing, whatever), use a centerboard. Counteracting rolling motion is what the centerboard will do. Which is important in a rounded hull like a squall. -- Stabilizer fins on vessels of all sizes are common. A centerboard used on a dinghy (not sailing dinghy) is an over-sized stabilizer fin that happened to be designed for a different purpose.
I use a centerboard/daggerboard in one of my dinghies all the time. In one of my small sailboats, I don't get into the boat unless the centerboard is down, it will simply roll and pitch me out the other side.
(But don't leave lowered while buoyed/anchored, it will beat itself up.)
Tohsgib posted 05-16-2011 02:21 PM ET (US)
As a kid I spent hundreds of hours on a 9' squall with a 4hp Merc. The centerboard does little if anything unless sailing. Maybe now that I weigh 3 times more it might. With a 56lb engine it would stay completely dry with plug out. Keep a sponge in the boat so when you get in you can soak up the water. It will not plane no matter what you put on the transom as far as we can determine. I am half tempted to put a 25 on it just to see but I honestly think if it did plane it would just barrel roll and I am out a $900 engine. I have a 9' Squall again and am removing the center board as it will never be sailed. I am not going to glass in the keel slot, can't see any benefit. I am going to glass in the mast hole. Holds water and other small creatures like frogs.
fina posted 05-16-2011 05:21 PM ET (US)
Tohsgib,
my goal is to leave it moored at the beach that we spend weekends at so that i won't have to mess with towing a raft or dinghy around with my big boat.
Fro your experience, how tipsy is the boat with 3 or 4 adults?
Tom W Clark posted 05-16-2011 07:03 PM ET (US)
A centerboard will not make a boat less likely to roll; it will merely reduce the *rate* of roll by offering lateral resistance while rolling.
Nobody is ever going to row a little 9 foot pram around with the centerboard down. It is a necessary accessory for sailing the boat, that is all.
3-4 adults in a 9 foot pram? No sir, that's not going to work very well. 1-2 adults are OK.
I misspoke earlier about the horsepower capacity. It is 3 HP for the Squall. The Boston Whaler 9' Tender has a 5 HP capacity.
contender posted 05-16-2011 07:10 PM ET (US)
3 adults in a squall reminds me of a kids tale 3 men in a tub. I had a 9 ft whaler that I sold because I felt it to be to unsafe (not stable) for my two kids and a friend, and it had a square bottom. I repeat the squall has a round bottom and is tipsy. If this is your plan to use it for a row boat, I would sell the squall and find a 13 or 11 whaler for you and 3 friends, you can row either one of these and even put a small engine if needed...
fina posted 05-17-2011 12:09 AM ET (US)
sounds like it really is not going to meet my needs.
Tohsgib posted 05-17-2011 06:24 AM ET (US)
Early squalls were 3hp, then 5hp. Again it does not matter. Yes you can get 3 adults in a squall but as to stability...dunno.
David Jenkins posted 05-17-2011 06:33 AM ET (US)
How tipsy is a Squall?
It is so tipsy that to move from the bow of the boat to the stern you need to stay in the center of the boat or else risk falling overboard. It is a real feat to move from bow to stern with the mast in place.
Sell it and get an 11' Whaler. You can transport five or six adults in an 11' Whaler.
fina posted 05-17-2011 07:44 PM ET (US)
I guess it's time to sell.

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Author	Topic: 9' squall self bailing?
fina	posted 05-13-2011 03:58 PM ET (US) is the old 9' squall self bailing? in other words, can you leave it on a mooring with the plug pulled?
contender	posted 05-13-2011 05:04 PM ET (US) Fina: its a whaler it will not sink, how high will the water go? but, yes you can leave the plug out. I would be more worried about getting it (whaler) stuck under something (dock, bridge, etc.) when the tide goes in and out....
fina	posted 05-14-2011 11:01 AM ET (US) what is the horsepower capacity?
Tom W Clark	posted 05-14-2011 12:04 PM ET (US) Five.
fina	posted 05-14-2011 12:10 PM ET (US) Thx Tom My plan is to keep it on a mooring with the plug pulled with no motor on it. Will it sit high enough in the water with the plug pulled?
Tom W Clark	posted 05-14-2011 03:40 PM ET (US) Yes.
fina	posted 05-15-2011 04:45 PM ET (US) do you know how the centerboard would normally mount on the boat. It appears that it wound mount from the bottom. I was considering glassing the keel over.
contender	posted 05-15-2011 05:56 PM ET (US) Bad idea, the squall has a round bottom and the only thing that keeps it some what stable(upright) is the keel/centerboard, unless you like swimming. The center board had a handle (inside of the boat) that would lower it from the inside, It road on a single pin on the front of the centerboard and a pin would hold it in place.
Tom W Clark	posted 05-15-2011 08:04 PM ET (US) The centerboard has nothing to do with stability, it merely prevents side slip when you are sailing. If the boat is not going to be used as a sailboat, you can get rid of the centerboard.
David Jenkins	posted 05-16-2011 12:31 AM ET (US) I have owned a couple of Squalls and have spent a lot of time in 9' and 11' tenders. In my opinion you should consider selling the Squall to someone who wants to use it as a sailboat. Then use the money to buy a 9' tender (or better yet, an 11' tender—if the extra weight and size is not a problem for your needs). The Squall is tipsy, with or without the centerboard. It will not sink but you can turn it over. In contrast, you can stand on the gunnel of an 11' Whaler and the lateral stability is amazing. Plus with 25hp the 11' will get on a plane with two adults on board. That is my advice. Cheers!
kwik_wurk	posted 05-16-2011 12:38 AM ET (US) A centerboard has a ton to do with stability in a layman's term. As mentioned, stability is not the correct word I would use in a technical discussion about boats. (Stability technically refers to the ability of a boat to keep upright relative to it's center of gravity, buoyancy, displacement, etc.) To contradict the definition, and go back to layman's term of stability: If you want more stability with your boat while you are in it (either just moving around, or rowing, whatever), use a centerboard. Counteracting rolling motion is what the centerboard will do. Which is important in a rounded hull like a squall. -- Stabilizer fins on vessels of all sizes are common. A centerboard used on a dinghy (not sailing dinghy) is an over-sized stabilizer fin that happened to be designed for a different purpose. I use a centerboard/daggerboard in one of my dinghies all the time. In one of my small sailboats, I don't get into the boat unless the centerboard is down, it will simply roll and pitch me out the other side. (But don't leave lowered while buoyed/anchored, it will beat itself up.)
Tohsgib	posted 05-16-2011 02:21 PM ET (US) As a kid I spent hundreds of hours on a 9' squall with a 4hp Merc. The centerboard does little if anything unless sailing. Maybe now that I weigh 3 times more it might. With a 56lb engine it would stay completely dry with plug out. Keep a sponge in the boat so when you get in you can soak up the water. It will not plane no matter what you put on the transom as far as we can determine. I am half tempted to put a 25 on it just to see but I honestly think if it did plane it would just barrel roll and I am out a $900 engine. I have a 9' Squall again and am removing the center board as it will never be sailed. I am not going to glass in the keel slot, can't see any benefit. I am going to glass in the mast hole. Holds water and other small creatures like frogs.
fina	posted 05-16-2011 05:21 PM ET (US) Tohsgib, my goal is to leave it moored at the beach that we spend weekends at so that i won't have to mess with towing a raft or dinghy around with my big boat. Fro your experience, how tipsy is the boat with 3 or 4 adults?
Tom W Clark	posted 05-16-2011 07:03 PM ET (US) A centerboard will not make a boat less likely to roll; it will merely reduce the rate of roll by offering lateral resistance while rolling. Nobody is ever going to row a little 9 foot pram around with the centerboard down. It is a necessary accessory for sailing the boat, that is all. 3-4 adults in a 9 foot pram? No sir, that's not going to work very well. 1-2 adults are OK. I misspoke earlier about the horsepower capacity. It is 3 HP for the Squall. The Boston Whaler 9' Tender has a 5 HP capacity.
contender	posted 05-16-2011 07:10 PM ET (US) 3 adults in a squall reminds me of a kids tale 3 men in a tub. I had a 9 ft whaler that I sold because I felt it to be to unsafe (not stable) for my two kids and a friend, and it had a square bottom. I repeat the squall has a round bottom and is tipsy. If this is your plan to use it for a row boat, I would sell the squall and find a 13 or 11 whaler for you and 3 friends, you can row either one of these and even put a small engine if needed...
fina	posted 05-17-2011 12:09 AM ET (US) sounds like it really is not going to meet my needs.
Tohsgib	posted 05-17-2011 06:24 AM ET (US) Early squalls were 3hp, then 5hp. Again it does not matter. Yes you can get 3 adults in a squall but as to stability...dunno.
David Jenkins	posted 05-17-2011 06:33 AM ET (US) How tipsy is a Squall? It is so tipsy that to move from the bow of the boat to the stern you need to stay in the center of the boat or else risk falling overboard. It is a real feat to move from bow to stern with the mast in place. Sell it and get an 11' Whaler. You can transport five or six adults in an 11' Whaler.
fina	posted 05-17-2011 07:44 PM ET (US) I guess it's time to sell.