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jmorgan40 posted 03-07-2012 08:15 PM ET (US)
Well, after getting prices from eight different dealers, Friday I am taking the big step and putting a down payment on a new 200 HP H.O. Evinrude E-TEC. I can not pass up the deal with free rigging and the five year guarantee. I know every boat is different but I am looking for advise from other new e-Tec owners on the best prop. I am sure the dealer will also have a recommendation. Sice most of my fishing is offshore, after repowering, I plan on taking the boat to FL and leaving it there. OK, it is a 1986 20 Outrage, T-top, lots of extras, 4 batteries, and I am a big guy. I am looking for the best prop for performance and power. especially if I am coming in from 30-40 miles offshore in a good sea. But Is till like speed.
OK, I admit I don't know what I want. What is the best all around prop for my rig
seahorse posted 03-08-2012 12:11 AM ET (US)
The Rebel prop would be a good choice for your application. Start with a 17" but you may have to go up or down a size depending on how your boat runs.
Optimum rpm for that motor for all around performance is in the 5500-5700 rpm range
Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2012 11:28 AM ET (US)
The Rebel might be a good fit. Also try the Mercury Enertia or Stiletto Advantage 4.75.
Be sure the motor is mounted as high as it can go on the transom.
You'll need a 19 inch pitch, not a 17 inch.
L H G posted 03-08-2012 11:50 AM ET (US)
Tom - On none of my boats do I have the engines mounted as high as they can go (5th set of holes), but I notice you always say to do this. I find being up 3" is simply too much for all around boating. Do you have your Mercs on the revenge mounted all the way up like this?
Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2012 01:10 PM ET (US)
Larry,
No, I do not always recommend mounting motors as high as they can but in this case, I do.
The large Evinrude E-TECs seem to have their AV plates lower than contemporary large Mercurys.
Additionally, the Outrage 20 generally benefits from a slightly higher mounting position than other classic Whalers.
Furthermore, I have yet to hear even just one report of an Outrage 20 being repowered and the owner admitting the motor was mounted too high, though we regularly hear reports of motors mounted too low and advice to raise the motor to improve performance.
Why not just put the motor where it ought to be in the first place?
Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2012 01:13 PM ET (US)
One more thing you are mistaken about, Larry: the E-TEC has four sets of mounting holes so 2-1/4 inches is maximum amount of vertical lift, not 3 inches.
L H G posted 03-08-2012 01:35 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the information, Tom. Is Mercury the only brand that has the 5 hole bracket design? I had always assumed that Evinrude did also. It seems like the combination of the longer legs on the Evinrudes, plus only 4 holes, makes sense for the 4th hole installations.
And actually, I misspoke. On my Ribside 21, I had forgotten the Mercs are mounted in the 5th set of holes, all the way up, since this hull requires 20" engines for either single or twin installations. Even at that height, I can still run Mercury Black Max aluminum props with reasonably good holding.
On your 25, I would be curious to know what mounting hole do you use for the twin Mercury 150's and Mirage Plus props?
jmorgan40 posted 03-08-2012 08:37 PM ET (US)
Tom,
Thanks, I value your knowledge of props, How about pitch, What do you think. 17 or 19?
jmorgan40 posted 03-08-2012 08:38 PM ET (US)
Tom,
Thanks, I value your knowledge of props, How about pitch, What do you think. 17 or 19? Ooops, missed your earlier post.
Peter posted 03-09-2012 07:08 AM ET (US)
Part of the deal and service from your dealer should be fitting the correct pitch propeller to your boat. That should mean making the best guess for propeller pitch and taking the boat for a sea trial to see if the guess is correct, and if not, adjusting pitch up or down to get the motor operating in the correct speed range.
Given you have a T-top and 4 batteries, there would be no harm in starting with the REBEL 17 as Seahorse suggested.
jmorgan40 posted 03-09-2012 06:56 PM ET (US)
Well, I ordered the engine today. The dealer plans on testing various props (the yellow test props) on lake Lanier to find the perfect match. He said it would probably be a SS Rebel either a 17 or 19. But it comes with the free rigging special.
conch posted 03-10-2012 09:08 AM ET (US)
Good luck with your re-power. This sounds like the first sure sign of spring. Any reason you chose the HO version over the non or a larger engine?
Chuck
jmorgan40 posted 03-10-2012 11:41 AM ET (US)
Chuck,
After discussions with other e-Tec owners and the dealer, it made sense to go with the HO. The extra power and torque will allow me to not run the motor as hard. The regular 200 is basically a 150 block and the 200 is a 225 block with 42 additional cubic inches. The dealer said the HO would actually be more fuel efficient since I will cruise at a lower RPM. A few years the price difference was greater between the two. Now it is only $700 more for the HO. I don't want to go any bigger since the Outrage 20 is rated for 200 HP Max. I just wish I could get the Icon controls with the 200 HO. They are not available with the 200 models. I am going with the icon gauges though.
jmorgan40 posted 03-10-2012 11:43 AM ET (US)
Chuck,
After discussions with other e-Tec owners and the dealer, it made sense to go with the HO. The extra power and torque will allow me to not run the motor as hard. The regular 200 is basically a 150 block and the 200 is a 225 block with 42 additional cubic inches. The dealer said the HO would actually be more fuel efficient since I will cruise at a lower RPM. A few years the price difference was greater between the two. Now it is only $700 more for the HO. I don't want to go any bigger since the Outrage 20 is rated for 200 HP Max. I just wish I could get the Icon controls with the 200 HO. They are not available with the 200 models. I am going with the icon gauges though.
Peter posted 03-10-2012 01:09 PM ET (US)
Why aren't the ICON controls available on the 200 HO? The boat next to mine at the marina had ICON controls for a pair of 150s.
L H G posted 03-10-2012 01:17 PM ET (US)
Like the Mercury ProXS engines, arean't the Evinrude HO's bass boat engines? What is the difference in prop HP and fuel economy between the 200HO and the regular 225?
seahorse posted 03-10-2012 05:05 PM ET (US)
Why aren't the ICON controls available on the 200 HO? The boat next to mine at the marina had ICON controls for a pair of 150s

ICON controls are available for all 2008 and later E-TECs of 150hp and larger.
jmorgan40 posted 03-11-2012 07:09 AM ET (US)
Seahorse,You are correct but it looks like I would have to purchase an Icon Factory add-on kit. Not sure if I will do it since I am already near my spending limit
seahorse posted 03-11-2012 08:18 AM ET (US)
The nice thing about your Evinrude and the other eligible E-TECs is that ICON digital shift and throttle controls can be added at any time. Also at a later date they can be converted back to traditional shift and throttle for ease of selling them or for trade-ins.
conch posted 03-11-2012 08:27 AM ET (US)
Looking at the Evinrude site I see the difference in displacement now. I think you made the best choice. What power are you replacing?
Chuck
conch posted 03-11-2012 08:37 AM ET (US)
LHG I didn't see a horsepower figure for the 200HO on the website. I read about different motor mounts but I am unsure of other features, maybe Seahorse can tell us or point us to further reading about the HO engines from Evinrude and why you don't just buy the next larger size motor. In this case jmorgan40 did not want to exceed his hull rating and he was able to get the larger engine, a nice improvement.
Chuck
Peter posted 03-11-2012 09:32 AM ET (US)
Evinrude came out with the 3.3L 200 first. When they came out with the 2.6L 200, they renamed the 3.3L 200 as the "200 HO. At a boat show, a BRP rep told me that the 200 HO" is about 218 HP at the prop. From various data sources, the 3.3L 225 is about 237 HP at the prop. The 200 HO is not a bass boat motor.
jmorgan40 posted 03-11-2012 12:01 PM ET (US)
Chuck,
I am replacing the original 1987 200 HP carbed Yamaha. Runs like a top but just a gas hog.
acseatsri posted 03-11-2012 05:21 PM ET (US)
You'll be very happy with that engine. I have a 2006 Etec 225 with 850 FLAWLESS hours. Run the HD100 oil.
PS- for reference, I have a 22 OR with T-Top, livewell, and 30 gallon gas tank in place of the rear "water collection device", running a 17" pitch Rebel that turns up to 5700 rpm at 47-48 MPH lightly loaded.
jmorgan40 posted 03-12-2012 02:31 AM ET (US)
Wow, That has me stoked. On a good day I could get 39-40 MPH from the yami
stefan posted 03-12-2012 01:42 PM ET (US)
Welcome to the etec club. I have a 19 p rebel prop with my 150 on my 18, that you saw in Homosassa a few years back. The hole shot is incredible and yea the pitch may be a but much. But you'll love the whole set up!
jmorgan40 posted 03-13-2012 07:56 PM ET (US)
Well, no turning back now. Found a buyer for the 1988 Carbed 200 HP Yami
jimh posted 03-13-2012 08:00 PM ET (US)
I am looking forward to hearing about the performance with the new E-TEC 200 H.O.
jimh posted 03-13-2012 08:05 PM ET (US)
I am still confused about the E-TEC 200 H.O. model. If you get the 25-inch shaft engine I think you will be getting the M2 gear case with straight leading edge. I think you will probably be able to turn a 19-inch REBEL propeller. I am basing this on my experience with the E-TEC 225-HP.
The 200 H.O. with the M2 gear case and the 225-HP--the motor I have--also with the M2 gear case, are probably close in power output. I can turn a 17-pitch REBEL on my REVENGE 22 W-T Whaler Drive, a boat that is about four-feet longer and heavier than your OUTRAGE 20. On that basis I think you will be able to easily turn a REBEL 19.
jmorgan40 posted 03-14-2012 04:03 AM ET (US)
Jim,
Based on your performance reports and others with a similar setup, I really think the Rebel 17 will turn the best RPMs but we will see when the dealer tests it on the lake. I really like the setup the Evinrude dealers have with the various yellow test props. Sure takes the guess work out of it.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 20, E-TEC 200 H.O.
jmorgan40	posted 03-07-2012 08:15 PM ET (US) Well, after getting prices from eight different dealers, Friday I am taking the big step and putting a down payment on a new 200 HP H.O. Evinrude E-TEC. I can not pass up the deal with free rigging and the five year guarantee. I know every boat is different but I am looking for advise from other new e-Tec owners on the best prop. I am sure the dealer will also have a recommendation. Sice most of my fishing is offshore, after repowering, I plan on taking the boat to FL and leaving it there. OK, it is a 1986 20 Outrage, T-top, lots of extras, 4 batteries, and I am a big guy. I am looking for the best prop for performance and power. especially if I am coming in from 30-40 miles offshore in a good sea. But Is till like speed. OK, I admit I don't know what I want. What is the best all around prop for my rig
seahorse	posted 03-08-2012 12:11 AM ET (US) The Rebel prop would be a good choice for your application. Start with a 17" but you may have to go up or down a size depending on how your boat runs. Optimum rpm for that motor for all around performance is in the 5500-5700 rpm range
Tom W Clark	posted 03-08-2012 11:28 AM ET (US) The Rebel might be a good fit. Also try the Mercury Enertia or Stiletto Advantage 4.75. Be sure the motor is mounted as high as it can go on the transom. You'll need a 19 inch pitch, not a 17 inch.
L H G	posted 03-08-2012 11:50 AM ET (US) Tom - On none of my boats do I have the engines mounted as high as they can go (5th set of holes), but I notice you always say to do this. I find being up 3" is simply too much for all around boating. Do you have your Mercs on the revenge mounted all the way up like this?
Tom W Clark	posted 03-08-2012 01:10 PM ET (US) Larry, No, I do not always recommend mounting motors as high as they can but in this case, I do. The large Evinrude E-TECs seem to have their AV plates lower than contemporary large Mercurys. Additionally, the Outrage 20 generally benefits from a slightly higher mounting position than other classic Whalers. Furthermore, I have yet to hear even just one report of an Outrage 20 being repowered and the owner admitting the motor was mounted too high, though we regularly hear reports of motors mounted too low and advice to raise the motor to improve performance. Why not just put the motor where it ought to be in the first place?
Tom W Clark	posted 03-08-2012 01:13 PM ET (US) One more thing you are mistaken about, Larry: the E-TEC has four sets of mounting holes so 2-1/4 inches is maximum amount of vertical lift, not 3 inches.
L H G	posted 03-08-2012 01:35 PM ET (US) Thanks for the information, Tom. Is Mercury the only brand that has the 5 hole bracket design? I had always assumed that Evinrude did also. It seems like the combination of the longer legs on the Evinrudes, plus only 4 holes, makes sense for the 4th hole installations. And actually, I misspoke. On my Ribside 21, I had forgotten the Mercs are mounted in the 5th set of holes, all the way up, since this hull requires 20" engines for either single or twin installations. Even at that height, I can still run Mercury Black Max aluminum props with reasonably good holding. On your 25, I would be curious to know what mounting hole do you use for the twin Mercury 150's and Mirage Plus props?
jmorgan40	posted 03-08-2012 08:37 PM ET (US) Tom, Thanks, I value your knowledge of props, How about pitch, What do you think. 17 or 19?
jmorgan40	posted 03-08-2012 08:38 PM ET (US) Tom, Thanks, I value your knowledge of props, How about pitch, What do you think. 17 or 19? Ooops, missed your earlier post.
Peter	posted 03-09-2012 07:08 AM ET (US) Part of the deal and service from your dealer should be fitting the correct pitch propeller to your boat. That should mean making the best guess for propeller pitch and taking the boat for a sea trial to see if the guess is correct, and if not, adjusting pitch up or down to get the motor operating in the correct speed range. Given you have a T-top and 4 batteries, there would be no harm in starting with the REBEL 17 as Seahorse suggested.
jmorgan40	posted 03-09-2012 06:56 PM ET (US) Well, I ordered the engine today. The dealer plans on testing various props (the yellow test props) on lake Lanier to find the perfect match. He said it would probably be a SS Rebel either a 17 or 19. But it comes with the free rigging special.
conch	posted 03-10-2012 09:08 AM ET (US) Good luck with your re-power. This sounds like the first sure sign of spring. Any reason you chose the HO version over the non or a larger engine? Chuck
jmorgan40	posted 03-10-2012 11:41 AM ET (US) Chuck, After discussions with other e-Tec owners and the dealer, it made sense to go with the HO. The extra power and torque will allow me to not run the motor as hard. The regular 200 is basically a 150 block and the 200 is a 225 block with 42 additional cubic inches. The dealer said the HO would actually be more fuel efficient since I will cruise at a lower RPM. A few years the price difference was greater between the two. Now it is only $700 more for the HO. I don't want to go any bigger since the Outrage 20 is rated for 200 HP Max. I just wish I could get the Icon controls with the 200 HO. They are not available with the 200 models. I am going with the icon gauges though.
jmorgan40	posted 03-10-2012 11:43 AM ET (US) Chuck, After discussions with other e-Tec owners and the dealer, it made sense to go with the HO. The extra power and torque will allow me to not run the motor as hard. The regular 200 is basically a 150 block and the 200 is a 225 block with 42 additional cubic inches. The dealer said the HO would actually be more fuel efficient since I will cruise at a lower RPM. A few years the price difference was greater between the two. Now it is only $700 more for the HO. I don't want to go any bigger since the Outrage 20 is rated for 200 HP Max. I just wish I could get the Icon controls with the 200 HO. They are not available with the 200 models. I am going with the icon gauges though.
Peter	posted 03-10-2012 01:09 PM ET (US) Why aren't the ICON controls available on the 200 HO? The boat next to mine at the marina had ICON controls for a pair of 150s.
L H G	posted 03-10-2012 01:17 PM ET (US) Like the Mercury ProXS engines, arean't the Evinrude HO's bass boat engines? What is the difference in prop HP and fuel economy between the 200HO and the regular 225?
seahorse	posted 03-10-2012 05:05 PM ET (US) Why aren't the ICON controls available on the 200 HO? The boat next to mine at the marina had ICON controls for a pair of 150s ICON controls are available for all 2008 and later E-TECs of 150hp and larger.
jmorgan40	posted 03-11-2012 07:09 AM ET (US) Seahorse,You are correct but it looks like I would have to purchase an Icon Factory add-on kit. Not sure if I will do it since I am already near my spending limit
seahorse	posted 03-11-2012 08:18 AM ET (US) The nice thing about your Evinrude and the other eligible E-TECs is that ICON digital shift and throttle controls can be added at any time. Also at a later date they can be converted back to traditional shift and throttle for ease of selling them or for trade-ins.
conch	posted 03-11-2012 08:27 AM ET (US) Looking at the Evinrude site I see the difference in displacement now. I think you made the best choice. What power are you replacing? Chuck
conch	posted 03-11-2012 08:37 AM ET (US) LHG I didn't see a horsepower figure for the 200HO on the website. I read about different motor mounts but I am unsure of other features, maybe Seahorse can tell us or point us to further reading about the HO engines from Evinrude and why you don't just buy the next larger size motor. In this case jmorgan40 did not want to exceed his hull rating and he was able to get the larger engine, a nice improvement. Chuck
Peter	posted 03-11-2012 09:32 AM ET (US) Evinrude came out with the 3.3L 200 first. When they came out with the 2.6L 200, they renamed the 3.3L 200 as the "200 HO. At a boat show, a BRP rep told me that the 200 HO" is about 218 HP at the prop. From various data sources, the 3.3L 225 is about 237 HP at the prop. The 200 HO is not a bass boat motor.
jmorgan40	posted 03-11-2012 12:01 PM ET (US) Chuck, I am replacing the original 1987 200 HP carbed Yamaha. Runs like a top but just a gas hog.
acseatsri	posted 03-11-2012 05:21 PM ET (US) You'll be very happy with that engine. I have a 2006 Etec 225 with 850 FLAWLESS hours. Run the HD100 oil. PS- for reference, I have a 22 OR with T-Top, livewell, and 30 gallon gas tank in place of the rear "water collection device", running a 17" pitch Rebel that turns up to 5700 rpm at 47-48 MPH lightly loaded.
jmorgan40	posted 03-12-2012 02:31 AM ET (US) Wow, That has me stoked. On a good day I could get 39-40 MPH from the yami
stefan	posted 03-12-2012 01:42 PM ET (US) Welcome to the etec club. I have a 19 p rebel prop with my 150 on my 18, that you saw in Homosassa a few years back. The hole shot is incredible and yea the pitch may be a but much. But you'll love the whole set up!
jmorgan40	posted 03-13-2012 07:56 PM ET (US) Well, no turning back now. Found a buyer for the 1988 Carbed 200 HP Yami
jimh	posted 03-13-2012 08:00 PM ET (US) I am looking forward to hearing about the performance with the new E-TEC 200 H.O.
jimh	posted 03-13-2012 08:05 PM ET (US) I am still confused about the E-TEC 200 H.O. model. If you get the 25-inch shaft engine I think you will be getting the M2 gear case with straight leading edge. I think you will probably be able to turn a 19-inch REBEL propeller. I am basing this on my experience with the E-TEC 225-HP. The 200 H.O. with the M2 gear case and the 225-HP--the motor I have--also with the M2 gear case, are probably close in power output. I can turn a 17-pitch REBEL on my REVENGE 22 W-T Whaler Drive, a boat that is about four-feet longer and heavier than your OUTRAGE 20. On that basis I think you will be able to easily turn a REBEL 19.
jmorgan40	posted 03-14-2012 04:03 AM ET (US) Jim, Based on your performance reports and others with a similar setup, I really think the Rebel 17 will turn the best RPMs but we will see when the dealer tests it on the lake. I really like the setup the Evinrude dealers have with the various yellow test props. Sure takes the guess work out of it.