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Plum Point posted 03-26-2013 01:33 PM ET (US)
I'm re-powering my 1989 Outrage 22 with a 2002 Yamaha F200 four-stroke-cycle outboard engine. Has anyone had experience with this boat and motor combination? Specifically, what mounting hole position for height above transom offers the best performance? And, what size propeller would be best for general use? I'm not interested in top end, but [the boat] will pull a skier or two. I would prefer to cruise around 25- to 27-MPH with optimal fuel efficiency. I have the steel propeller from the original 1990 Yamaha 225 two-stroke-cycle outboard, and I was thinking about possibly using that propeller on the F200; however, I'm not sure of the propeller's dimensions. Thanks.
littleblue posted 03-26-2013 02:46 PM ET (US)
Are you planning to re-power with the new 4 cylinder F200?
I've not run this motor nor the 6 cylinder but the engine height has more correlation to the prop than the engine itself. 2 holes up should suffice with most props. With a more aggressive prop you might want to go 3 holes up.
See my prop review thread for more details on the various props I've tried for my 22' Outrage.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/007845.html
Based on my experience, I think an 18" Enertia would be a great match.
Plum Point posted 03-26-2013 08:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info. No, I can't afford the new 200 Yamaha. I getting a 2002 200hp which I believe is essentially the same engine as the 225 hp from that same year. I'll try the prop from the 2 stroke 225 and see how it works.
Tom W Clark posted 03-26-2013 08:08 PM ET (US)
Look and see what the part number is on your old prop. You will probably want a 17 inch-ish prop for your F200 with its 6000 RPM redline and 2:1 gear ratio.
I recommend mounting the motor three holes up.
Plum Point posted 03-27-2013 12:29 PM ET (US)
Tom, thanks for your input. When you say to mount the engine 3 holes up. I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Three holes up from the bottom of the line of holes on the outboard? I think I understand what you mean but if there were no pre-drilled holes through the transom how would you know where the holes should be drilled? However, in my case there are already holes drilled through the transom so the question would be the location of "3 holes up" would depend on where and if the original holes were in the correct location. I think if I knew where the plate above the prop should be in relation to the bottom of the boat I would heave a better idea of where the engine should be bolted on since i wanted to use the same transom holes. I hope that makes sense.
Also, you mention a 17 inch prop. Do you mean 17 inch diameter or pitch?
Thanks.
littleblue posted 03-27-2013 01:20 PM ET (US)
See Tom's reply in my thread I linked, a little more than half way done. You can see what the hole position indicates, I was confused by this as well.
The 17 indicates pitch.
jimh posted 03-27-2013 10:04 PM ET (US)
Re engine mounting:
The mounting height is measured from the lowest possible position in terms of how far up from there. The unit of measurement is "the hole" which is 0.75-inch. Three-holes up means 2.25-inches higher than the lowest possible position. If you start counting holes from the lowest possible position, you will count one-two-three and that three hole is where you mount the engine using the standard transom position of drilled holes in the transom.
Tom W Clark posted 03-27-2013 11:52 PM ET (US)
If the mounting bolts go through this hole in the motor's mounting bracket, it is mounted...
o <-- All The Way Down
o <-- One Hole Up
o <-- Two Holes Up
o <-- Three Holes Up
Plum Point posted 03-28-2013 03:24 PM ET (US)
It seems jimh's and Tom's descriptions of "three holes up" is different. If Tom's text is meant to show the actual hole positions on the engine bracket vertically the descriptions aren't the same. Unless I am reading their posts incorrectly??
Peter posted 03-28-2013 05:41 PM ET (US)
The terminology is the number of "open" holes above the bolt.
Tom W Clark posted 03-28-2013 08:51 PM ET (US)
No, Jim and I are saying the exact same thing but what he wrote is slightly ambiguous.

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Author	Topic: 1989 Outrage 22 with 2002 Yamaha F200
Plum Point	posted 03-26-2013 01:33 PM ET (US) I'm re-powering my 1989 Outrage 22 with a 2002 Yamaha F200 four-stroke-cycle outboard engine. Has anyone had experience with this boat and motor combination? Specifically, what mounting hole position for height above transom offers the best performance? And, what size propeller would be best for general use? I'm not interested in top end, but [the boat] will pull a skier or two. I would prefer to cruise around 25- to 27-MPH with optimal fuel efficiency. I have the steel propeller from the original 1990 Yamaha 225 two-stroke-cycle outboard, and I was thinking about possibly using that propeller on the F200; however, I'm not sure of the propeller's dimensions. Thanks.
littleblue	posted 03-26-2013 02:46 PM ET (US) Are you planning to re-power with the new 4 cylinder F200? I've not run this motor nor the 6 cylinder but the engine height has more correlation to the prop than the engine itself. 2 holes up should suffice with most props. With a more aggressive prop you might want to go 3 holes up. See my prop review thread for more details on the various props I've tried for my 22' Outrage. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/007845.html Based on my experience, I think an 18" Enertia would be a great match.
Plum Point	posted 03-26-2013 08:04 PM ET (US) Thanks for the info. No, I can't afford the new 200 Yamaha. I getting a 2002 200hp which I believe is essentially the same engine as the 225 hp from that same year. I'll try the prop from the 2 stroke 225 and see how it works.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-26-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Look and see what the part number is on your old prop. You will probably want a 17 inch-ish prop for your F200 with its 6000 RPM redline and 2:1 gear ratio. I recommend mounting the motor three holes up.
Plum Point	posted 03-27-2013 12:29 PM ET (US) Tom, thanks for your input. When you say to mount the engine 3 holes up. I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Three holes up from the bottom of the line of holes on the outboard? I think I understand what you mean but if there were no pre-drilled holes through the transom how would you know where the holes should be drilled? However, in my case there are already holes drilled through the transom so the question would be the location of "3 holes up" would depend on where and if the original holes were in the correct location. I think if I knew where the plate above the prop should be in relation to the bottom of the boat I would heave a better idea of where the engine should be bolted on since i wanted to use the same transom holes. I hope that makes sense. Also, you mention a 17 inch prop. Do you mean 17 inch diameter or pitch? Thanks.
littleblue	posted 03-27-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) See Tom's reply in my thread I linked, a little more than half way done. You can see what the hole position indicates, I was confused by this as well. The 17 indicates pitch.
jimh	posted 03-27-2013 10:04 PM ET (US) Re engine mounting: The mounting height is measured from the lowest possible position in terms of how far up from there. The unit of measurement is "the hole" which is 0.75-inch. Three-holes up means 2.25-inches higher than the lowest possible position. If you start counting holes from the lowest possible position, you will count one-two-three and that three hole is where you mount the engine using the standard transom position of drilled holes in the transom.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-27-2013 11:52 PM ET (US) If the mounting bolts go through this hole in the motor's mounting bracket, it is mounted... o <-- All The Way Down o <-- One Hole Up o <-- Two Holes Up o <-- Three Holes Up
Plum Point	posted 03-28-2013 03:24 PM ET (US) It seems jimh's and Tom's descriptions of "three holes up" is different. If Tom's text is meant to show the actual hole positions on the engine bracket vertically the descriptions aren't the same. Unless I am reading their posts incorrectly??
Peter	posted 03-28-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) The terminology is the number of "open" holes above the bolt.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-28-2013 08:51 PM ET (US) No, Jim and I are saying the exact same thing but what he wrote is slightly ambiguous.