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whalernut posted 08-12-2000 07:00 AM ET (US)
Now they are some beatiful Classic Whalers. How fortunate Don you are to have owned such nice vessels. They are/were true Whalers. Looking at them, makes me wonder what the designers are thinking down there in Florida? Again, great Whalers Don. Regards-Jack Graner.
lhg posted 08-13-2000 10:19 PM ET (US)
Since Don is on vacation, I'll say that the 25' Whitewater is a REVENGE Cuddy. This boat was based on the Outrage 25 Cuddy, but instead of the center console used in the Outrage, they eliminated it and simply put the control station forward to the face of the Cuddy cabin, adding a small windshield.
tbirdsey posted 08-13-2000 11:46 PM ET (US)
this isn't Don's old 22 Outrage, is it???
http://www.boattraderonline.com/cgi-bin/boat/apps/DI/mPhotDisp.html?key=4710-OD
lhg posted 08-21-2000 06:51 PM ET (US)
Everybody should check out the beautifully varnished teak on Don's 1978 Montauk!
dfmcintyre posted 08-27-2000 06:41 AM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the comments. Very thoughfull of you.
Larry - your correct, the 25 was known as a Revenge Cuddy, as it had side steering rather then a console. A good friend of mine here in Port Huron has a sister ship only the console model... same I/O, etc. It made an interesting comparison one day. Ride felt slightly rougher in the cuddy since the helm was about five feet forward from the helm position in the console'ed boat, and turning felt different... in the cuddy, the helm is about 3-4 feet to the right of the roll axis. He liked the large floor area. During overnighting, my kids could roll out sleeping bags and mattresses between the double coolers.
Tim - I checked the photo, and if it isn't mine, I'd be suprised. Setup looks almost the same, with the recording fishfinder (can you still get paper for those things?), but in my install the finder is on the other side of the compass. The photo might be reversed. I had it on a Caulkins all rollered trailer, which this one that you found is also for sale with. Interesting.....
I'll have to upload a photo of the current WW taken a few weeks ago up at Porcupine Island for inclusion.
Barry posted 10-26-2000 06:11 PM ET (US)
Looking though the boats on yachtworld.com I found one that I thought was interesting. It is advertised as a 1984 22' Revenge but it looks like a 22' version of Don's 25' Whitewater. (o/b instead of i/o)
Check it out here http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/view_result.cgi.en?boat_id=683114&units=Feet¤cy=USD&listing_id=1709&page=
Is this another Revenge Cuddy? Anyone have any additional info on this model like what years it was available?
Thanks,
Barry
dfmcintyre posted 10-26-2000 10:34 PM ET (US)
Barry -
It's a Revenge Cuddy....
The 25 had a cuddy, that for a 6'3 person, was ok. Low headroom... don't know if the cuddy was reduced on the 22'.
Wasn't a real popular model, started in 1983 and the cuddy ran for 3, possible 4 years. Was replaced with the walk through models, which gave more headroom in the cabin.
Best - Don
Barry posted 10-26-2000 10:52 PM ET (US)
Don,
I guess if you were mainly using the cuddy for storage it probably wasn't too bad. On the positive side it appears that this model had more cockpit space than the WT.
Thanks,
Barry
lhg posted 10-26-2000 11:09 PM ET (US)
Yes, you could play a football game on the floor space in that model, which I think was the original design idea. The cuddy top shell mold is the same as the one used for the Outrage 25 Cuddy, with a few extra moldings being added to form the "up front" control station consisting of windshield and instrument panels. Take a look at the current Cetacea pictures of Pete Ferguson's restored 25, while it was stripped, and you'll see what I mean. Commercial Products has also made some Outrage/Guardians with the consoles moved far forward to create a huge deck space.
dfmcintyre posted 10-28-2000 11:26 AM ET (US)
Barry -
Yes, the deck space was _substantial_. We used to cruise with two large coolers, secured to each gunnel, and still have enough room to lay down between them and stretch out.
After a few years, a teak swim platform was mounted, and inflatable brackets were attached. We first tried running with the inflatable attached to the brackets, but the inflatable was larger than the width of the boat. So we ended up just hauling it into the boat, by standing on the platform and pulling it up and over the transom. We'd run with it strapped down, sticking over the transom, and resting on the engine box. The brackets made it handy for getting in and out of the inflatable, and while mounting the outboard (which was also stored on the deck, while enroute).
For those who haven't cruised in the North Channel / Georgan Bay area... even with a small 25' (by most cruising standards, a spartan B/W 25 _is_ considered small) having the means to go poking around, and getting to shore where there are few anchorages is important. It did look a little weird though, I'll admit.
When we were not cruising, the space gave us room for two or three deck chairs. With the coolers, we had decent seating for 9.
Best - Don

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Author	Topic: Whitewater`s Whalers
whalernut	posted 08-12-2000 07:00 AM ET (US) Now they are some beatiful Classic Whalers. How fortunate Don you are to have owned such nice vessels. They are/were true Whalers. Looking at them, makes me wonder what the designers are thinking down there in Florida? Again, great Whalers Don. Regards-Jack Graner.
lhg	posted 08-13-2000 10:19 PM ET (US) Since Don is on vacation, I'll say that the 25' Whitewater is a REVENGE Cuddy. This boat was based on the Outrage 25 Cuddy, but instead of the center console used in the Outrage, they eliminated it and simply put the control station forward to the face of the Cuddy cabin, adding a small windshield.
tbirdsey	posted 08-13-2000 11:46 PM ET (US) this isn't Don's old 22 Outrage, is it??? http://www.boattraderonline.com/cgi-bin/boat/apps/DI/mPhotDisp.html?key=4710-OD
lhg	posted 08-21-2000 06:51 PM ET (US) Everybody should check out the beautifully varnished teak on Don's 1978 Montauk!
dfmcintyre	posted 08-27-2000 06:41 AM ET (US) Thanks everyone for the comments. Very thoughfull of you. Larry - your correct, the 25 was known as a Revenge Cuddy, as it had side steering rather then a console. A good friend of mine here in Port Huron has a sister ship only the console model... same I/O, etc. It made an interesting comparison one day. Ride felt slightly rougher in the cuddy since the helm was about five feet forward from the helm position in the console'ed boat, and turning felt different... in the cuddy, the helm is about 3-4 feet to the right of the roll axis. He liked the large floor area. During overnighting, my kids could roll out sleeping bags and mattresses between the double coolers. Tim - I checked the photo, and if it isn't mine, I'd be suprised. Setup looks almost the same, with the recording fishfinder (can you still get paper for those things?), but in my install the finder is on the other side of the compass. The photo might be reversed. I had it on a Caulkins all rollered trailer, which this one that you found is also for sale with. Interesting..... I'll have to upload a photo of the current WW taken a few weeks ago up at Porcupine Island for inclusion.
Barry	posted 10-26-2000 06:11 PM ET (US) Looking though the boats on yachtworld.com I found one that I thought was interesting. It is advertised as a 1984 22' Revenge but it looks like a 22' version of Don's 25' Whitewater. (o/b instead of i/o) Check it out here http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/view_result.cgi.en?boat_id=683114&units=Feet¤cy=USD&listing_id=1709&page= Is this another Revenge Cuddy? Anyone have any additional info on this model like what years it was available? Thanks, Barry
dfmcintyre	posted 10-26-2000 10:34 PM ET (US) Barry - It's a Revenge Cuddy.... The 25 had a cuddy, that for a 6'3 person, was ok. Low headroom... don't know if the cuddy was reduced on the 22'. Wasn't a real popular model, started in 1983 and the cuddy ran for 3, possible 4 years. Was replaced with the walk through models, which gave more headroom in the cabin. Best - Don
Barry	posted 10-26-2000 10:52 PM ET (US) Don, I guess if you were mainly using the cuddy for storage it probably wasn't too bad. On the positive side it appears that this model had more cockpit space than the WT. Thanks, Barry
lhg	posted 10-26-2000 11:09 PM ET (US) Yes, you could play a football game on the floor space in that model, which I think was the original design idea. The cuddy top shell mold is the same as the one used for the Outrage 25 Cuddy, with a few extra moldings being added to form the "up front" control station consisting of windshield and instrument panels. Take a look at the current Cetacea pictures of Pete Ferguson's restored 25, while it was stripped, and you'll see what I mean. Commercial Products has also made some Outrage/Guardians with the consoles moved far forward to create a huge deck space.
dfmcintyre	posted 10-28-2000 11:26 AM ET (US) Barry - Yes, the deck space was _substantial_. We used to cruise with two large coolers, secured to each gunnel, and still have enough room to lay down between them and stretch out. After a few years, a teak swim platform was mounted, and inflatable brackets were attached. We first tried running with the inflatable attached to the brackets, but the inflatable was larger than the width of the boat. So we ended up just hauling it into the boat, by standing on the platform and pulling it up and over the transom. We'd run with it strapped down, sticking over the transom, and resting on the engine box. The brackets made it handy for getting in and out of the inflatable, and while mounting the outboard (which was also stored on the deck, while enroute). For those who haven't cruised in the North Channel / Georgan Bay area... even with a small 25' (by most cruising standards, a spartan B/W 25 _is_ considered small) having the means to go poking around, and getting to shore where there are few anchorages is important. It did look a little weird though, I'll admit. When we were not cruising, the space gave us room for two or three deck chairs. With the coolers, we had decent seating for 9. Best - Don