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jimh posted 12-30-2000 01:06 PM ET (US)
This thread is for comments on the photos in Cetacea Page 32, which first appeared on December 30, 2000.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage32.html

mattr posted 12-30-2000 08:55 PM ET (US)
Jim -
Again, another great collection of pictures! The Frontier caught my eye - do you know off hand how far back the pilothouse extends? Is it mostly a shelter for a couple of people? That would be a great solution for the colder weather here in Maine - it would definitly extend the boating season a bit!
mattr
whalernut posted 12-30-2000 10:53 PM ET (US)
That 73`-75`/76` `16 Montauk is getting my juices flowing, exactly what model I have my eye on next! Hey Jim or anyone, does anyone have detailed pictures of these year Montauk`s? If so would you e-mail them to me? whalernut@libcom.com Regards-Jack Graner.
Keith Silliman posted 12-31-2000 11:26 AM ET (US)
I would love more info on the 25' Frontier.
Great pictures.
Keith
Mark Gallagher posted 12-31-2000 01:19 PM ET (US)
Jim,
Excellent photos. On a cold Northeastern day like today the photo at the ramps at Ironton give me something to dream about.
The color and photo look like a postcard....
Can't wait to the winter is over!!!
Mark
stagalv posted 12-31-2000 05:54 PM ET (US)
For those of you wanting to see another photo of a Frontier 25 look at the Cetacea section on page 15. There is a Frontier in the background of one of the photos. Also if you scroll back in the Ceteca comments there was some talk about these boats. Rex
jimh posted 01-02-2001 12:29 AM ET (US)
Regarding the 25-Frontier:
Don't know much more about them than is mentioned in the captions. They look pretty "shippy".
If anyone has a catalogue or data sheet, don't be shy about jumping in to the FORUM
jimh posted 01-02-2001 12:48 AM ET (US)
Regarding the EMERALD ISLE:
This is a fairly new boat, just put into service a year or so ago.
She was built using some special funding made available under Maritime Legislation passed during the Clinton Administration, and she was the first (and maybe only) boat built under that "Title-???" funding.
I think she was built downeast and sailed up the St. Lawrence and the Welland Canal for delivery.
She is a very nice looking boat, and she makes that run over to Beaver Island (about 20 miles I think) at a pretty good clip. I was trying to talk Chris into following her over there one afternoon, but it was a bit rough and we were starting rather late in the day. We didn't make the trip, but it is on our list of things to do next time we are in the Charlevoix area.
Almost any map will show Beaver Island. It was once a Mormon "Kingdom", but eventually a bunch of Irish fishermen drove the Mormons out and westward. I guess the name of the boat reflects that heritage.
Just behind the EMERALD ISLE is the 180-foot buoy tender USCGC BRAMBLE. Charlevoix is her home port. Talk about good duty! You spend the summer moored in an exclusive resort town on Lake Michigan. Yea, you have to go out in Spring and Fall and yank a few buoys, but otherwise it is a pretty cushy way to spend a few years in the Coast Guard.
As I mentioned, Lake Charlevoix has attracted some rather famous residents and the prices up there are astronomical. Lakefront footage is now over $4,000 foot and rising.
There is an excellent Boston Whaler dealer up there, IRISH BOAT SHOP. He is a long-time Whaler dealer and also sells Yamaha.
We had a fun evening over at IRISH talking to a guy whose 30-foot lobster-style boat was stranded there for a week for repairs to the transmission. He said, "I think I broke down in the most expensive place on the Great Lakes to get repairs."
Of course, everyone feels that way when they get the boatyard bill.
In hindsight, I wish I had let IRISH work on my Yamaha engine instead of the guy down here in SE Michigan. I still have to go settle the bill with him as I feel he really overcharged me and replaced a bunch of perfectly good electrical parts because his mechanic was not able to tell what the real problem was. Oh, well, live and learn. Boating is never a bargain.
Glad people enjoyed the pictures and that is a little more of the story behind some of them.
--jimh
whalernut posted 01-02-2001 08:56 AM ET (US)
Jim, since the Irish Boat Shop sells Yamahas, and the new Whalers come mandatory with Mercurys, does the shop sell the Whalers with the Mercs. and/or takes the Merc. off of the boat and then puts a Yamaha on? Seems like an odd situation, something that Brunswick has caused. These older dealers have to be going out of their minds with this. Regards-Jack Graner.
Lil Whaler Lover posted 01-02-2001 02:03 PM ET (US)
RE: 25" Frontier
Jim,
I will start a new thread in the general discussion to open this up for those who don't check this section.
Dave
lhg posted 01-07-2001 06:19 PM ET (US)
Jim: The run to Beaver Island from Charlevoix MI, as made by the "Emerald Isle" is actually 33 miles. This past 4th of July, in dead flat seas, young Larry and I made the run out there in 45 minutes, averaging about 45mph in the 18 Outrage, running at 4000rpm.
lhg posted 01-07-2001 06:38 PM ET (US)
Jack, regarding the "Yamahas on new Whalers" situation, from what I am hearing, BW will only credit the Dealer wholesale (50% of list) for deletion of the "now standard" Merc engine package on a Whaler. So, if a Dealer wants to move his Yamaha stock (such as for volume incentives, or to keep his Yamaha contract) on a BW, either two things are going to happen: 1. the Dealer is going to sacrifice most or all of his profit on the Yamaha/BW package to get The Yamaha out the door on the Whaler, or 2. the buyer is going to pay a "lot" (i.e. thousands) extra for the equivalent hp Yamaha engine package, including controls and rigging. For all practical purposes, it makes little sense for a new Whaler buyer "to fight City Hall" and to spend so much extra, which is why you are seeing Mercs on 95% of the new Whalers being sold. But there may be a few Yamaha fanactics out there willing to pay up for their engine preference. My guess is that this why more than a few BW dealers are extremely upset with BW, and even giving up their contracts, most likely if Yamaha/OMC provides a greater portion of their sales volume. I recently saw about 30 new Whalers for sale, and only one of them, a 22 Dauntless, was minus a Merc.
For those who think this is unfair, try to get a Merc on a new Century boat (owned by Yamaha) or a Merc on a Stratos (currently owned by OMC)! Neither can be accomplished.
whalernut posted 01-07-2001 06:45 PM ET (US)
Hi Larry, welcome back. I see you`re point as to the fact that when a corporation ownes both the boat company and the engine company, in their mind their not going to give up that profit on another brand of engine. Thanks-Jack Graner. P.S. 2 quality brands that you do still have a choice of power is Grady-White and Penn Yan. Boy those Penn Yans are expensive!

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Author	Topic: Lake Charlevoix Whalers - Dec 30, 2000
jimh	posted 12-30-2000 01:06 PM ET (US) This thread is for comments on the photos in Cetacea Page 32, which first appeared on December 30, 2000. http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage32.html
mattr	posted 12-30-2000 08:55 PM ET (US) Jim - Again, another great collection of pictures! The Frontier caught my eye - do you know off hand how far back the pilothouse extends? Is it mostly a shelter for a couple of people? That would be a great solution for the colder weather here in Maine - it would definitly extend the boating season a bit! mattr
whalernut	posted 12-30-2000 10:53 PM ET (US) That 73`-75`/76` `16 Montauk is getting my juices flowing, exactly what model I have my eye on next! Hey Jim or anyone, does anyone have detailed pictures of these year Montauk`s? If so would you e-mail them to me? whalernut@libcom.com Regards-Jack Graner.
Keith Silliman	posted 12-31-2000 11:26 AM ET (US) I would love more info on the 25' Frontier. Great pictures. Keith
Mark Gallagher	posted 12-31-2000 01:19 PM ET (US) Jim, Excellent photos. On a cold Northeastern day like today the photo at the ramps at Ironton give me something to dream about. The color and photo look like a postcard.... Can't wait to the winter is over!!! Mark
stagalv	posted 12-31-2000 05:54 PM ET (US) For those of you wanting to see another photo of a Frontier 25 look at the Cetacea section on page 15. There is a Frontier in the background of one of the photos. Also if you scroll back in the Ceteca comments there was some talk about these boats. Rex
jimh	posted 01-02-2001 12:29 AM ET (US) Regarding the 25-Frontier: Don't know much more about them than is mentioned in the captions. They look pretty "shippy". If anyone has a catalogue or data sheet, don't be shy about jumping in to the FORUM
jimh	posted 01-02-2001 12:48 AM ET (US) Regarding the EMERALD ISLE: This is a fairly new boat, just put into service a year or so ago. She was built using some special funding made available under Maritime Legislation passed during the Clinton Administration, and she was the first (and maybe only) boat built under that "Title-???" funding. I think she was built downeast and sailed up the St. Lawrence and the Welland Canal for delivery. She is a very nice looking boat, and she makes that run over to Beaver Island (about 20 miles I think) at a pretty good clip. I was trying to talk Chris into following her over there one afternoon, but it was a bit rough and we were starting rather late in the day. We didn't make the trip, but it is on our list of things to do next time we are in the Charlevoix area. Almost any map will show Beaver Island. It was once a Mormon "Kingdom", but eventually a bunch of Irish fishermen drove the Mormons out and westward. I guess the name of the boat reflects that heritage. Just behind the EMERALD ISLE is the 180-foot buoy tender USCGC BRAMBLE. Charlevoix is her home port. Talk about good duty! You spend the summer moored in an exclusive resort town on Lake Michigan. Yea, you have to go out in Spring and Fall and yank a few buoys, but otherwise it is a pretty cushy way to spend a few years in the Coast Guard. As I mentioned, Lake Charlevoix has attracted some rather famous residents and the prices up there are astronomical. Lakefront footage is now over $4,000 foot and rising. There is an excellent Boston Whaler dealer up there, IRISH BOAT SHOP. He is a long-time Whaler dealer and also sells Yamaha. We had a fun evening over at IRISH talking to a guy whose 30-foot lobster-style boat was stranded there for a week for repairs to the transmission. He said, "I think I broke down in the most expensive place on the Great Lakes to get repairs." Of course, everyone feels that way when they get the boatyard bill. In hindsight, I wish I had let IRISH work on my Yamaha engine instead of the guy down here in SE Michigan. I still have to go settle the bill with him as I feel he really overcharged me and replaced a bunch of perfectly good electrical parts because his mechanic was not able to tell what the real problem was. Oh, well, live and learn. Boating is never a bargain. Glad people enjoyed the pictures and that is a little more of the story behind some of them. --jimh
whalernut	posted 01-02-2001 08:56 AM ET (US) Jim, since the Irish Boat Shop sells Yamahas, and the new Whalers come mandatory with Mercurys, does the shop sell the Whalers with the Mercs. and/or takes the Merc. off of the boat and then puts a Yamaha on? Seems like an odd situation, something that Brunswick has caused. These older dealers have to be going out of their minds with this. Regards-Jack Graner.
Lil Whaler Lover	posted 01-02-2001 02:03 PM ET (US) RE: 25" Frontier Jim, I will start a new thread in the general discussion to open this up for those who don't check this section. Dave
lhg	posted 01-07-2001 06:19 PM ET (US) Jim: The run to Beaver Island from Charlevoix MI, as made by the "Emerald Isle" is actually 33 miles. This past 4th of July, in dead flat seas, young Larry and I made the run out there in 45 minutes, averaging about 45mph in the 18 Outrage, running at 4000rpm.
lhg	posted 01-07-2001 06:38 PM ET (US) Jack, regarding the "Yamahas on new Whalers" situation, from what I am hearing, BW will only credit the Dealer wholesale (50% of list) for deletion of the "now standard" Merc engine package on a Whaler. So, if a Dealer wants to move his Yamaha stock (such as for volume incentives, or to keep his Yamaha contract) on a BW, either two things are going to happen: 1. the Dealer is going to sacrifice most or all of his profit on the Yamaha/BW package to get The Yamaha out the door on the Whaler, or 2. the buyer is going to pay a "lot" (i.e. thousands) extra for the equivalent hp Yamaha engine package, including controls and rigging. For all practical purposes, it makes little sense for a new Whaler buyer "to fight City Hall" and to spend so much extra, which is why you are seeing Mercs on 95% of the new Whalers being sold. But there may be a few Yamaha fanactics out there willing to pay up for their engine preference. My guess is that this why more than a few BW dealers are extremely upset with BW, and even giving up their contracts, most likely if Yamaha/OMC provides a greater portion of their sales volume. I recently saw about 30 new Whalers for sale, and only one of them, a 22 Dauntless, was minus a Merc. For those who think this is unfair, try to get a Merc on a new Century boat (owned by Yamaha) or a Merc on a Stratos (currently owned by OMC)! Neither can be accomplished.
whalernut	posted 01-07-2001 06:45 PM ET (US) Hi Larry, welcome back. I see you`re point as to the fact that when a corporation ownes both the boat company and the engine company, in their mind their not going to give up that profit on another brand of engine. Thanks-Jack Graner. P.S. 2 quality brands that you do still have a choice of power is Grady-White and Penn Yan. Boy those Penn Yans are expensive!