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jimh posted 04-08-2001 01:06 AM ET (US)
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Orca posted 04-08-2001 03:15 AM ET (US)
I think there was a version of the outrage used in Viet Nam in 1969 on the Mekong river. It seems that with all the resource here,this might be confirmed. Every boat type and manufacturer was represented as a test ground to get a contract. Whatever configuration arrived in country was often quickly changed and hotrodded by trade and barter. Definitly,the low freeboard rounded gunwalls were for rescue.
Clark Roberts posted 04-08-2001 07:09 AM ET (US)
Jim, thank you for posting the 19' Low Profile catalog as this gives me the info I need to fisnish up my conversion project! Now I can see how the stern light, gunwhales,bow etc were done! I plan to deviate a bit and put hatch lids on the two small wells (steps) forward and come up with some way to secure/store a 15# Danforth hi-tensile anchor and rode at forepeak. I plan to install a firex pocket in the stbd side of console (a-la Montauk) as I notice the firex is surface mounted in the catalog photos! I just removed the deck cover from the gas tank and tank is badly corroded... I need to locate a new one... This project is going to take me quite awhile... but it will be worth the effort... thanks again and will get before and after pics in due time.. Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
bdb posted 04-08-2001 12:31 PM ET (US)
Great old pictures! Now you folks with the teak console dump truck sides have to send Mr. Jim some photos.
As a fomer owner of an original 21 I can readily identify with a couple of the photos. Notably, the one titled "Airborne." Note the essentially smooth water it's running in? Typical ride. Secondly, the following photo entitled "Advertisement..." shows both fellows still standing, although one has had his spine substantially compresssed, and you'll note the other is picking loose teeth from his mouth.
Aaahhhh, those were the days!
Harpoon Harry, in traction.
lhg posted 04-09-2001 07:58 PM ET (US)
Don - We've been waiting a long time to see the close-up photos of your 21. It looks truly beautiful, and literally like new. Very nice work, including the varnishing. Now, for some airborne CPD style pictures, with you behind the wheel!
The other photos of the CPD 21 were taken (or so I was told by someone at Whaler) at some inlet on the Massachusetts coast, with big waves rolling in off the sea against an outflowing tide. So they were out there, jet ski style, jumping waves and taking photos.
I believe those photos pre-date introduction of the V-6 outboards, so I would say about 1974.
Mention was made of a Low-Pro 21. I have no pictures, but I do remember seeing a picture of one in Whaler literature back in the early 70's. I seem to remember that Dick Fisher commented that a low profile 21 offered some interesting possiblities. But I don't think they ever sold them. It would have been a surf board with a bow!
dfmcintyre posted 04-10-2001 09:02 PM ET (US)
Larry -
Thanks for the complements!
I think I've got the same catalog of those flyers. Our local whaler dealer had one of the "Rescue 1"s that they used for years. Don't know what happend to it. Complete with the red (back then) dot...
Would like to see a photo of a LoPro 21' if you ever come across one. It would just make my more interested in doing a project. Course I would save a whole lot of time, (but not money) just ordering one of the Texas boats. It would be a perfect ski/dive/beach boat. Nothing to catch much rainwater, leave uncovered on a four wheel beach trailer. Easy to get in and out of, could be kinda wet on the feet though. Mount a long dock box for a seat and ski/tank storage, narrow enough for tandem seating.
Don
dfmcintyre posted 04-10-2001 09:05 PM ET (US)
Larry -
Remembered something...
We saw at the Maryland factory a LoPro 21' that had a tuna tower on it. The guy who took my wife and I on the tour (one of our honeymoon stops...._honest!_), someone by the name of Dougherty, commented when I spotted it that they used it as a photo platform.
Don
lhg posted 04-10-2001 11:36 PM ET (US)
Spielberg also used a fleet of 21 Outrages for the camera and crew boats for the filming of Jaws at Edgartown, Martha's Vinyard. I remember seeing a documentary on the filming, but I don't remember if any were the low profile variety.
hauptjm posted 04-11-2001 02:08 PM ET (US)
Are those Mercs on the transom of the Rescue boat? Back in those days, it seems OMC was the engine of choice on Whalers. I was surprised to see Mercurys. Great photos.
lhg posted 04-11-2001 03:51 PM ET (US)
Jim, you're right, and I remember being surprised by that. I asked someone at Whaler
about this (when they were telling me how the pictures were taken) and they said that at the time, this in-line 6 Merc 150 was the most powerful outboard made, and they wanted to try one out on the 21! I had the same engine on my Nauset. It would walk away from the OMC V-4 135HP being offered at the time.
jimh posted 04-11-2001 11:17 PM ET (US)
Following up on bdb's comments:
Those are pretty funny--I might change the caption to include them! :-)
You have to go back and look at the picture to appreciate them.
--jimh
hauptjm posted 04-12-2001 09:33 AM ET (US)
Larry, about six years ago, my brother-in-law found this exact engine being stored in one of the warehouses of their family business. It had been there since his cousin put it there back in the late 70's. My B-I-L asked his cousin if he could have it, and it was given to him because it was "worthless". We put new plugs in, changed a few plug wires (rotted insulation) and hooked up to a fresh battery. I rigged the key starter and she fired up on the second turn. My B-I-L sold the engine for $1,000.00 to the friend of a friend, and she runs to this day. These were simple engine designs that couldn't be beat.
dfmcintyre posted 04-12-2001 05:04 PM ET (US)
regarding choice of motor -
I think it may be more regional or dealer related then we think. The Whaler dealers here in Port Huron, were:
first one had Johnson & OMC
Second dealer sold Mercs
Third (and last) sold Yamaha
You can almost tell the vintage based on the motors, on the local boats.
mac
Trilawyer posted 02-09-2003 10:38 PM ET (US)
Don: I am restoring a 1976 21 ft Outrage and repowering with a 200 HP Yamaha HPDI engine. Any tips on the Yahama installation for the outboard people? Also, where do I find a new seat for behind the console? Please feel free to respond to cjs@cblhlaw.com Thanks.
arctic cruiser posted 08-13-2003 03:22 PM ET (US)
I have been looking over the photos of your beautifully restored boat, am you have given me extra motivation to restore my 1971 21 foot outrage. I am curious how you beefed up the transom, since I have a 225 yamaha and starting to see some small cracks between the transon and the back of the boat. I would like to strengthen the transom but not sure how to proceed....
thanks Peter
AC posted 03-31-2004 08:38 AM ET (US)
Don,
What material did you use to raise the console? Can't see the deck fasteners in the photo...how is it fastened down?

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Author	Topic: Cetacea Page 37 - More Outrageous Outrages
jimh	posted 04-08-2001 01:06 AM ET (US) Please use this message thread to post comments and follow up questions about http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage37.html .
Orca	posted 04-08-2001 03:15 AM ET (US) I think there was a version of the outrage used in Viet Nam in 1969 on the Mekong river. It seems that with all the resource here,this might be confirmed. Every boat type and manufacturer was represented as a test ground to get a contract. Whatever configuration arrived in country was often quickly changed and hotrodded by trade and barter. Definitly,the low freeboard rounded gunwalls were for rescue.
Clark Roberts	posted 04-08-2001 07:09 AM ET (US) Jim, thank you for posting the 19' Low Profile catalog as this gives me the info I need to fisnish up my conversion project! Now I can see how the stern light, gunwhales,bow etc were done! I plan to deviate a bit and put hatch lids on the two small wells (steps) forward and come up with some way to secure/store a 15# Danforth hi-tensile anchor and rode at forepeak. I plan to install a firex pocket in the stbd side of console (a-la Montauk) as I notice the firex is surface mounted in the catalog photos! I just removed the deck cover from the gas tank and tank is badly corroded... I need to locate a new one... This project is going to take me quite awhile... but it will be worth the effort... thanks again and will get before and after pics in due time.. Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
bdb	posted 04-08-2001 12:31 PM ET (US) Great old pictures! Now you folks with the teak console dump truck sides have to send Mr. Jim some photos. As a fomer owner of an original 21 I can readily identify with a couple of the photos. Notably, the one titled "Airborne." Note the essentially smooth water it's running in? Typical ride. Secondly, the following photo entitled "Advertisement..." shows both fellows still standing, although one has had his spine substantially compresssed, and you'll note the other is picking loose teeth from his mouth. Aaahhhh, those were the days! Harpoon Harry, in traction.
lhg	posted 04-09-2001 07:58 PM ET (US) Don - We've been waiting a long time to see the close-up photos of your 21. It looks truly beautiful, and literally like new. Very nice work, including the varnishing. Now, for some airborne CPD style pictures, with you behind the wheel! The other photos of the CPD 21 were taken (or so I was told by someone at Whaler) at some inlet on the Massachusetts coast, with big waves rolling in off the sea against an outflowing tide. So they were out there, jet ski style, jumping waves and taking photos. I believe those photos pre-date introduction of the V-6 outboards, so I would say about 1974. Mention was made of a Low-Pro 21. I have no pictures, but I do remember seeing a picture of one in Whaler literature back in the early 70's. I seem to remember that Dick Fisher commented that a low profile 21 offered some interesting possiblities. But I don't think they ever sold them. It would have been a surf board with a bow!
dfmcintyre	posted 04-10-2001 09:02 PM ET (US) Larry - Thanks for the complements! I think I've got the same catalog of those flyers. Our local whaler dealer had one of the "Rescue 1"s that they used for years. Don't know what happend to it. Complete with the red (back then) dot... Would like to see a photo of a LoPro 21' if you ever come across one. It would just make my more interested in doing a project. Course I would save a whole lot of time, (but not money) just ordering one of the Texas boats. It would be a perfect ski/dive/beach boat. Nothing to catch much rainwater, leave uncovered on a four wheel beach trailer. Easy to get in and out of, could be kinda wet on the feet though. Mount a long dock box for a seat and ski/tank storage, narrow enough for tandem seating. Don
dfmcintyre	posted 04-10-2001 09:05 PM ET (US) Larry - Remembered something... We saw at the Maryland factory a LoPro 21' that had a tuna tower on it. The guy who took my wife and I on the tour (one of our honeymoon stops...._honest!_), someone by the name of Dougherty, commented when I spotted it that they used it as a photo platform. Don
lhg	posted 04-10-2001 11:36 PM ET (US) Spielberg also used a fleet of 21 Outrages for the camera and crew boats for the filming of Jaws at Edgartown, Martha's Vinyard. I remember seeing a documentary on the filming, but I don't remember if any were the low profile variety.
hauptjm	posted 04-11-2001 02:08 PM ET (US) Are those Mercs on the transom of the Rescue boat? Back in those days, it seems OMC was the engine of choice on Whalers. I was surprised to see Mercurys. Great photos.
lhg	posted 04-11-2001 03:51 PM ET (US) Jim, you're right, and I remember being surprised by that. I asked someone at Whaler about this (when they were telling me how the pictures were taken) and they said that at the time, this in-line 6 Merc 150 was the most powerful outboard made, and they wanted to try one out on the 21! I had the same engine on my Nauset. It would walk away from the OMC V-4 135HP being offered at the time.
jimh	posted 04-11-2001 11:17 PM ET (US) Following up on bdb's comments: Those are pretty funny--I might change the caption to include them! :-) You have to go back and look at the picture to appreciate them. --jimh
hauptjm	posted 04-12-2001 09:33 AM ET (US) Larry, about six years ago, my brother-in-law found this exact engine being stored in one of the warehouses of their family business. It had been there since his cousin put it there back in the late 70's. My B-I-L asked his cousin if he could have it, and it was given to him because it was "worthless". We put new plugs in, changed a few plug wires (rotted insulation) and hooked up to a fresh battery. I rigged the key starter and she fired up on the second turn. My B-I-L sold the engine for $1,000.00 to the friend of a friend, and she runs to this day. These were simple engine designs that couldn't be beat.
dfmcintyre	posted 04-12-2001 05:04 PM ET (US) regarding choice of motor - I think it may be more regional or dealer related then we think. The Whaler dealers here in Port Huron, were: first one had Johnson & OMC Second dealer sold Mercs Third (and last) sold Yamaha You can almost tell the vintage based on the motors, on the local boats. mac
Trilawyer	posted 02-09-2003 10:38 PM ET (US) Don: I am restoring a 1976 21 ft Outrage and repowering with a 200 HP Yamaha HPDI engine. Any tips on the Yahama installation for the outboard people? Also, where do I find a new seat for behind the console? Please feel free to respond to cjs@cblhlaw.com Thanks.
arctic cruiser	posted 08-13-2003 03:22 PM ET (US) I have been looking over the photos of your beautifully restored boat, am you have given me extra motivation to restore my 1971 21 foot outrage. I am curious how you beefed up the transom, since I have a 225 yamaha and starting to see some small cracks between the transon and the back of the boat. I would like to strengthen the transom but not sure how to proceed.... thanks Peter
AC	posted 03-31-2004 08:38 AM ET (US) Don, What material did you use to raise the console? Can't see the deck fasteners in the photo...how is it fastened down?