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jimh posted 05-08-2001 08:47 AM ET (US)
This message thread is for comments on http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage39.html , which first appeared May 8, 2001 and featured photographs of Whalers from all five eras of Whaler ownership.
OutrageMan posted 05-08-2001 09:48 AM ET (US)
The 23 WA that my father and I used in Punta Gorda that is pictured here is a nice boat in many ways. It is a shame that it wasn't continued, because I think with some fine tuning of the "Accu-Track" hull (so that it didn't bounce from side to side) this would be one of the best WA's on the water.
Brian
lhg posted 05-08-2001 12:42 PM ET (US)
Brian - please elaborate on your 23' hull comments. I have never heard anyone mention this "bounce" before, especially since this is the same hull that became the 24 Outrage. But I have heard that it is not as stable laterally as the 25 Outrage, such as in offshore fishing conditions, or as good in a following, quartering sea. But it's ride into a head sea is supposedly better, because of the deeper vee.
OutrageMan posted 05-08-2001 01:23 PM ET (US)
Larry,
What I have experienced being both an operator and a passenger on the boat was this (my father has more experience on it, and could probably better describe it).
In moderate seas (2-5), and when quartering, the boat has a tendancy to be thrown from side to side - at some times violently. For example, when cruising @ 38 heading into port quartering seas, the port side will lift, and the boat will dive to starboard as it crests the wave. There is an ammount of deceleration that follows, and then the boat rights itself, but generally on a different heading (as much as 5-10 degrees).
Hopefully Dad will chime in here ad give his description.
Brian
RFK posted 05-08-2001 09:04 PM ET (US)
Jim,
Another great presentation. Thank you so much for the education.
We spent time on Marco Island in early April. Next time I will take my camera along. The place also has Whaler history going for it.
Whaler4me posted 05-15-2001 06:00 PM ET (US)
I know the owner of the 19' Revenge in this installment of the cetacea. It is a great boat, although, the outboard is original just with new decal on, and as you said it is a great cruising boat. It has a fresh coat of white alwgrip paint and lives permanemently in the water. Not bad for a whaler of its vintage
jimh posted 05-16-2001 01:26 AM ET (US)
Be sure to let him know his boat has appeared in CETACEA!
--jimh
Contender25 posted 05-16-2001 11:38 PM ET (US)
Are you guys sure the T-Top on the 24 outrage was not a factory option. Most of the 24's i have seen in my neck of the woods have that excact top?
jimh posted 05-17-2001 09:31 PM ET (US)
Hmm...good point. I'll have to check on that T-Top!
bdb posted 05-19-2001 07:52 AM ET (US)
LHG
What Brian is trying to explain is difficult. But the boat is a handful at planing speeds. Its track is about as "accu" as a classic drunk driver. Piloting that boat gives you arms like Popeye! It's exhausting! Maybe the easiest way to describe it would be to say it's very similar to displacement speed deep-v wander but at planing speeds. Any wave/wake action causes the hull to "rebound" in unpredictable directions. You're busy as the dickens at the wheel and dinking with the tabs and the drives. No such thing as settling back for a "cruise." This "boinging" around also plays havoc with engine rpm and sync. Busy, busy boat to run. More than annoying is its unpredictable nature which can "redistribute" your passengers. To my knowledge there's nothing amiss with the hull (hooks etc).
It just may be that the hull is simply too light for the deadrise. My "gut" feel is that a pair of V-8s sittin' inside would help...if you get my drift. And there is alot of this boat above the waterline so maybe windage comes into play too.
We got to remember that Good Ol Whaler has produced some boner designs; this may be one.
Funny you should mention the 24 OR. Because (again my gut feel) tells me the hull would be easier to pilot and a better ride in the OR configuration.
Harpoon Harry with Schwartzenager arms
whaler23 posted 05-19-2001 06:42 PM ET (US)
I am reading with great interest the comments on the 23WA. My 1992 has twin Yamaha 200's, trim tabs, whaler drive, factory hardtop. The comment regarding quartering sees is accurate, the boat definitely comes off a wave and can quickly change direction. Requires a lot of tab and trim input to keep running level and does tend to lean off to one side or the other depending on which way the wind blows. The boat is definitely a handful in windy conditions at the dock as the whaler drive gives the outboards limited control over the boat at slow speeds. All this said, it still is a quality product that still looks good and attracts attention, especially being relatively rare. What I would like to know is how much was this boat when new??
lhg posted 05-23-2001 12:23 PM ET (US)
The 1993 BW price list shows the 23 Walkaround WD at $36,495., with a fairly large list of options that could easily add another $4000.
The notched transom OB version was $6000 less.

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Author	Topic: Intracoastal Waterway Whalers - May 8, 2001
jimh	posted 05-08-2001 08:47 AM ET (US) This message thread is for comments on http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage39.html , which first appeared May 8, 2001 and featured photographs of Whalers from all five eras of Whaler ownership.
OutrageMan	posted 05-08-2001 09:48 AM ET (US) The 23 WA that my father and I used in Punta Gorda that is pictured here is a nice boat in many ways. It is a shame that it wasn't continued, because I think with some fine tuning of the "Accu-Track" hull (so that it didn't bounce from side to side) this would be one of the best WA's on the water. Brian
lhg	posted 05-08-2001 12:42 PM ET (US) Brian - please elaborate on your 23' hull comments. I have never heard anyone mention this "bounce" before, especially since this is the same hull that became the 24 Outrage. But I have heard that it is not as stable laterally as the 25 Outrage, such as in offshore fishing conditions, or as good in a following, quartering sea. But it's ride into a head sea is supposedly better, because of the deeper vee.
OutrageMan	posted 05-08-2001 01:23 PM ET (US) Larry, What I have experienced being both an operator and a passenger on the boat was this (my father has more experience on it, and could probably better describe it). In moderate seas (2-5), and when quartering, the boat has a tendancy to be thrown from side to side - at some times violently. For example, when cruising @ 38 heading into port quartering seas, the port side will lift, and the boat will dive to starboard as it crests the wave. There is an ammount of deceleration that follows, and then the boat rights itself, but generally on a different heading (as much as 5-10 degrees). Hopefully Dad will chime in here ad give his description. Brian
RFK	posted 05-08-2001 09:04 PM ET (US) Jim, Another great presentation. Thank you so much for the education. We spent time on Marco Island in early April. Next time I will take my camera along. The place also has Whaler history going for it.
Whaler4me	posted 05-15-2001 06:00 PM ET (US) I know the owner of the 19' Revenge in this installment of the cetacea. It is a great boat, although, the outboard is original just with new decal on, and as you said it is a great cruising boat. It has a fresh coat of white alwgrip paint and lives permanemently in the water. Not bad for a whaler of its vintage
jimh	posted 05-16-2001 01:26 AM ET (US) Be sure to let him know his boat has appeared in CETACEA! --jimh
Contender25	posted 05-16-2001 11:38 PM ET (US) Are you guys sure the T-Top on the 24 outrage was not a factory option. Most of the 24's i have seen in my neck of the woods have that excact top?
jimh	posted 05-17-2001 09:31 PM ET (US) Hmm...good point. I'll have to check on that T-Top!
bdb	posted 05-19-2001 07:52 AM ET (US) LHG What Brian is trying to explain is difficult. But the boat is a handful at planing speeds. Its track is about as "accu" as a classic drunk driver. Piloting that boat gives you arms like Popeye! It's exhausting! Maybe the easiest way to describe it would be to say it's very similar to displacement speed deep-v wander but at planing speeds. Any wave/wake action causes the hull to "rebound" in unpredictable directions. You're busy as the dickens at the wheel and dinking with the tabs and the drives. No such thing as settling back for a "cruise." This "boinging" around also plays havoc with engine rpm and sync. Busy, busy boat to run. More than annoying is its unpredictable nature which can "redistribute" your passengers. To my knowledge there's nothing amiss with the hull (hooks etc). It just may be that the hull is simply too light for the deadrise. My "gut" feel is that a pair of V-8s sittin' inside would help...if you get my drift. And there is alot of this boat above the waterline so maybe windage comes into play too. We got to remember that Good Ol Whaler has produced some boner designs; this may be one. Funny you should mention the 24 OR. Because (again my gut feel) tells me the hull would be easier to pilot and a better ride in the OR configuration. Harpoon Harry with Schwartzenager arms
whaler23	posted 05-19-2001 06:42 PM ET (US) I am reading with great interest the comments on the 23WA. My 1992 has twin Yamaha 200's, trim tabs, whaler drive, factory hardtop. The comment regarding quartering sees is accurate, the boat definitely comes off a wave and can quickly change direction. Requires a lot of tab and trim input to keep running level and does tend to lean off to one side or the other depending on which way the wind blows. The boat is definitely a handful in windy conditions at the dock as the whaler drive gives the outboards limited control over the boat at slow speeds. All this said, it still is a quality product that still looks good and attracts attention, especially being relatively rare. What I would like to know is how much was this boat when new??
lhg	posted 05-23-2001 12:23 PM ET (US) The 1993 BW price list shows the 23 Walkaround WD at $36,495., with a fairly large list of options that could easily add another $4000. The notched transom OB version was $6000 less.