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Page 44: Alaskan Whalers, Oct. 29, 2001
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| Author | Topic: Page 44: Alaskan Whalers, Oct. 29, 2001 |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2001 08:08 PM ET (US)  
This message thread is for comments on the photographs in Cetacea Page 44, which is herewith published on October 29, 2001, and features excellent photographs by Jim Potdevin of his 22-Revenge on the coastal waters of Alaska. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2001 08:25 PM ET (US)
A very nice collection of photographs which show the beauty of Alaska and the fine lines of the 22-Revenge underway. It was a pleasure collaborating with Jim Potdevin to bring these to CETACEA. --jimh |
| Dick |
posted 10-29-2001 09:19 PM ET (US)
As I spent many years boating in Alaska I am anxious to see the pictures, but page 44 isn't there. [It was there, honest!] It must have something to do with going back on standard time, or some other glitch. Dick |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 10-29-2001 11:05 PM ET (US)
The photos are there, just not in the index yet. Nice photos. I've been up there a few times and until you go you just can't appreciate how varied and BIG it is. A lot of land and sea and not too many people. And green too... |
| jimh |
posted 10-30-2001 07:59 PM ET (US)
[This is kind of a technical question between Revenge owners] I notice that on your Flying Top you don't the the forward hinge points fixed in place on the cockpit railing. Is that part of the set-up with the cockpit cover? Do you have to slide the railings back to the rear to fit the cover on the cockpit? |
| Barry |
posted 10-30-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)
Jim P, Beautiful family, scenery, and boat. How do you like your Revenge compared to the Montauk? I've got a Montauk and am considering moving up. Thanks, |
| jimp |
posted 10-31-2001 11:21 AM ET (US)
Jimh - a bit confused by your comment on the flying top set: forward hinge points on the cockpit railing. The bimini top has a set of rails (about 18" long) inboard of the side windshields. The forward supports can slide on these (on the approx 3" horizontal surface, just inside the glass, alongside the port/starboard seats). When running, the top frame slides all the way aft on the rails (so I leave it there) The aft support is hinged on the slanted aft end of the superstructure. The forward points are straps connected to stainless half-eyes on the top of the windshield towards the outboard edges. The bimini cannot be up when the cockpit cover is used (unless you move the location of the half-rounds to the front of the windshield, or cut the cover). The Mills cockpit cover has cutouts for the "walk-thru" rails forward and for the bimini frame positioned about mid-point on the rails. The cockpit cover does leak (can't get a snug fit, but I likely could if I tried) by the walk-thru rails and at the forward bimini frame. So I guess in answer to your last question, you don't have to slide the frame aft as the cover cutouts are positioned farther forward. In addition, I find that I have to slide the bimini top all the way forward in order to get the flying top windshield installed, and I have to slide it aft, bit-by-bit, to get the side curtains installed. |
| jimp |
posted 10-31-2001 11:39 AM ET (US)
Barry - Thanks for the comments. The Revenge 22 is HUGE compared to the Montauk (if you'd like, I could send you some photos of them side by side in the front yard). When I was growing up on Eastern Long Island, I had to have a 17' Whaler (had a 13' from '66-'81). I finally bought one in '88, it was a '82 Montauk, fully outfitted by 2 old ladies who never waterskiied on Sunday. I had radio, depth finder, full canvas, etc. The Montauk was fine in Kodiak, AK. The family was "smaller" (5 yr old & 3 yr old) and we only made local trips. After moving to Juneau, with a lot more sheltered waters than Kodiak, but still nasty compared to ELI, we found we wanted to go camping and traveling more, and the kids were bigger. So my wife gave the OK for a bigger Whaler (not a bigger boat, a bigger Whaler). I found the Revenge 22 in the classifieds (owners family wanted to move south and didn't like boating and he thought the boat was too big for one person). So I bought it. We've taken one 40-mile day trip up Lynn Canal to Haines and back, an overnight to Pelican, AK a 3-day, 120-mile trip, and several other camping adventures. We couldn't have made those trips in the Montauk (some do, but its not comfortable). Cruising at 24 kts, the Revenge ate it up. The hull on the Revenge is much better in a seaway than the essentially flat bottom on the Montauk. I can launch and fish the Revenge 22 by myself with little difficulty, so I really enjoy it. Your choice depends on what you want to do. The Montauk is a fantastic boat, it can do things that the Revenge can't do. AND the Revenge can do what the Montauk can't. Obviously, the 22 takes more work than the 17. I'm glad I moved to the bigger boat. But the wife is now thinking 31' Whaler - I've got the authorization, but no appropriations are forthcoming! |
| Barry |
posted 10-31-2001 04:24 PM ET (US)
Jim P, Thanks for the pics. The 22 sure looks like a LOT more boat than the Montauk. Obviously that means it's more boat to store, haul, launch, retrieve, maintain, and fuel. Of course you get a better ride, more room, more protection, and the cuddy. Based on your post it sounds like it was worth it. Do you use it as much as you used the Montauk? On your camping trips have you actually slept on the boat? If so, where do you put everybody? How are the berths in the cuddy? Ever wish you had gone with an Outrage with canvas protection instead of the Revenge? Thanks again, |
| jimp |
posted 10-31-2001 05:40 PM ET (US)
Barry - Looks like you understand completely. A lot more work, but we can do a lot more. We use the 22 the same amount as the 17. The Revenge is a much better boat than the Outrage - in Alaska. Most of our boating is done in the 45F-65F temperature range, so solid protection is better than canvas. We also get about 90" of rain a year, so a lot more of the boat stays dry. The flying top set is adequate, but still lets some water in. As for camping. The bunks are comfortable. It was fairly easy a few years ago; wife and kids were all under 5'2", so all three in the cuddy forward worked fine. Now Kelsey is 5'7', Weather is 5'3" and there's a lot less room (we didn't camp this summer). I usually sleep across two or three coolers in the cockpit with a thermo-rest pad. To provide protection from the elements, I've added a couple of 1" in diameter pvc pipes (I connected 2 to make about a 14' pipe that I can bend and stick in the midships pole holders, a big arch). Then I put a big brown (or blue) tarp over the bimini and run it fore & aft. It covers the two forward hatches and goes all the way aft to the engine (I put a single 8' pvc pipe in the aft pole holders). The pvc pipe keeps the tarp up so there is about 5' of head room inside. We've rolled up the sides and cooked inside. Even made coffee in the morning on a single burner propane stove. But, believe me, not a lot of room with three coolers, the 2 boxes that I made, and 10-30 gal of extra gas). We also take a portable Weber BBQ grill (the small one with a single 16 oz propane tank). We've been stuck twice with king salmon steaks and a bottle of wine. The grill goes on the 150 qt cooler aft, but you need to use a small piece of wood or something else to insulate the cooler from the grill. One minor drawback is that its tough to use the porta-potty with four in the boat and the bunks made up, so it goes up on the foredeck, almost to the pulpit. Since the anchorages are almost always empty, you can get away with it. Sitting (no "h" sitting)on the thrown, sipping your coffee, communing with nature, the Chilkat Mountains, bald eagles... With the tarp down, nobody can see you from inside the boat. We went thru one heavy rain, and stayed dry, except for condensation inside. I'd like to get "camper canvas" to cover the cockpit (I saw it in Menominee, WI 2 years ago) - essentially another bimini top with side & drop curtains that zips right into the flying top set. But it would likely cost several thousand dollars in Juneau. |
| jimh |
posted 10-31-2001 08:45 PM ET (US)
Jim Potdevin sent several additional photographs. I added these to the Cetacea Page, so now there is a baker's dozen for your enjoyment. |
| jimh |
posted 11-01-2001 12:55 AM ET (US)
By the way, the cuddy in the Revenge is a very comfortable berth. We slept aboard for 15 nights this summer, including 8 nights in a row, and no complaints. |
| Barry |
posted 11-01-2001 06:42 PM ET (US)
Porta-potty on the foredeck. I like it! What about permanently mounting it there? If you could attach a gimbal to it you could use it as a fighting chair (or even a fighting thrown). Of course you would need to build a waterproof tp dispenser on the starboard rail, maybe a waterproof magazine rack on the port rail, along with a cupholder and a pole holder. |
| reelescape1 |
posted 11-01-2001 09:11 PM ET (US)
Dang J, I'm a DIEhard southern boy born and raised in SC and I think that description of Alaska might sound like a dream vacation for me someday. |
| jimp |
posted 11-02-2001 10:51 AM ET (US)
Just so you get an idea of the size of Alaska (over twice the size of Texas)... if you superimposed Alaska on the Lower 48, Ketchikan in Southeast Alaska would be near Charleston, SC, Barrow would be up in Minnesota or Wisconsin, and Attu at the end of the Aleutians would be near California. ALaska has over 33,000 miles of shoreline - that's a lot of boating. Southeast Alaska is approximately the same size as Florida, with only 70,000 people. Last year, Juneau (population 30,000) had over 500,000 cruise ship visitors, might have been over 600,000. Some days we have 10,000 visitors (5 cruise ships). I've had my fishing "spoiled" several times by humpback whales circling the boat, or feeding nearby. You get a bit concerned when you're trolling at 1.5 kts and 40-ft humpback cruises by 20 yards away. |
| jimp |
posted 11-02-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)
Forgot to mention. Long hours of daylight during the summer let you boat a bit longer than down south. In Southeast (58deg N) sunrise is around 0400 and sunset after 2200 - and a lot of twiliht between 2200-0400. Farther north in Prince William Sound (60deg N) you get even more daylight. Boat the Yukon River and its close to daylight for 24 hours. Winter is not a good time for boating... sunrise at 0900, sunset around 1500. |
| csj |
posted 11-12-2001 10:53 PM ET (US)
WANTED TO SAY YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BOAT. I TO HAVE HAD A 15 STRIPER, THEN A 17 WHICH I'M GETTING READY TO SELL, AND HAVE A 1989 22 REVENGE LINED UP TO BUY. AS A DEPENDENT I TO LIVED IN KODIAK, DAD WAS STATIONED THEIR WITH THE USCG IN 79,80. I'M NEW TO THE WEB SITE AND LOOK FORWARD TO READING MORE. CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE NAME ROBERT JOHANSON USCG RINGS A BELL.? |
| jimp |
posted 11-17-2001 08:29 AM ET (US)
csj - Just happened to meet your Dad on the runway in Seward in the fall of '79! He was either in a Coast Guard C-130 or HH-52 (could have been a HH-3F). The funny thing was that my parents were visiting me in Seward. The C-130 and helo were there so we stopped by to see them. My Mom knew your Dad! What power will your 89 Revenge have? |
| csj |
posted 11-27-2001 12:54 AM ET (US)
Small world !!! Anyways my 1989 22' revenge w/t has a 1989 Yamaha in perfect condition. Overall the boat is clean, but looking to replace the rubrail ref some bifs to the bow area. My twin bought a 1986 22' revenge w/a 225 johnson for 10,000.00, and I paid 9,750.00 for mine. I think we got a pretty good deal ? Keep in touch |
| jimp |
posted 11-27-2001 11:09 AM ET (US)
csj - Hi to your Dad for me! Good deals on the Revenges. The previous owner was asking $27K for mine in the fall of '96 (excellent condition with 192 hrs on the engine, and 9.9 kicker, loaded with top of the line electronics, trailer). I wanted to trade him my '82 Montauk and pay the difference. But he said no. He called me in May '97 and said $21K, so I said $20,900 never pay what they ask) and he said fine. I ended up happy, he ended up happy. Good luck with your Revenge. JimP |
| Justin |
posted 03-15-2002 07:52 PM ET (US)
Hi Jim: I was in Juneau last spring (2000) on a cruise for my honymoon and I'm pretty sure it was your Revenge that I was ogling... Nice boat. Well done. I currently have a '99 Montauk (previous boat was a 13' SS) so I'm always looking out for Whalers. I'm just sorry I couldn't justify the HUGE bucks the cruise ship wanted to make me pay to do some serious saltwater fishing. Thanks for the photos. |
| jimp |
posted 03-18-2002 04:47 PM ET (US)
Justin - Thanks. I think there are 3 Revenge 22s in Juneau... mine with a white Johnson 225, another with black canvas and a black Merc, and an older model with a dark blue Evinrude. There's also a Revenge 20 with a 200 Johnson that has the big "Whaler" on the side. So if it was a 22 with a Johnson, that was me. Come on back to Juneau and I'll take you out for halibut or salmon! Jim |
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