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jimh posted 11-27-2001 01:28 AM ET (US)
This message thread is for comment on Cetacea Page 45, which first appeared November 27, 2001, and features photographs of David Ratusnik's Boston Whaler 1986 Outrage 22, Javier Zaera's 1988 22-Outrage, and Brian Blazer's 1991 22-Outrage. [NOTE: I added the last six pictures after the initial publication--JWH.]
jimh posted 11-27-2001 01:42 AM ET (US)
As everyone perhaps already knows, I am quite interested in engine setback brackets, and David's boat is the first I have seen which has a standard, cut transom and a big truss-style setback bracket.
It is hard to tell from the pictures what has become of the original motor well drains. Perhaps David can tell us if there is a provision for them in the bracket's design, or if they are now covered, and in that case, how water is drained from the well. I am certain the boat must ship some water over the stern if backing down rapidly, although every Whaler made does that, too.
David Ratusnik posted 11-27-2001 07:38 AM ET (US)
The bracket does not compromise the drain out of the boat at the lowest center line point just under the bracket. I generally leave the splash well plug out. The splash well fills and drains as if the bracket were not there. The previous owner installed the bracket to improve the "fishability" of the Outrage. In flat water you can place one foot on the bracket and one on the boat and fish away. I fish approx. 10% of time--cruise and ski the rest. The family likes the bracket be/c it gets a big smokey engine away from everyone. It has worked out well for us. David
jimh posted 12-01-2001 10:07 AM ET (US)
UPDATE: December 1, 2001. I added six more pictures to this CETACEA Page (45), as I suddenly found I had quite a collection of 22-Outrage photos from this same era.
Please take another look at Page 45, as I think you will find even more interesting Whaler photographs.
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 09:02 AM ET (US)
Brian- Nice boat you sold. Question- Did the addition of the hydrofoil impact steering the boat? I've been going back and forth over adding a hydrofoil versus Lenco trim tabs. A respected mechanic tells me to stay away from the hydrofoil (which would go on a 225 off a bracket) since it would negatively impact steering. He does not know I have an interest in the tabs. Any thoughts. Thanks David
OutrageMan posted 12-02-2001 09:50 AM ET (US)
It is my opinion that steering was improved. Or to be more specific that turning preformance was improved with better hold. I had hydrolic (sp) steering so I didn't notice any changes as far as feedback, etc.
Brian
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 10:41 AM ET (US)
Appreciate--David
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 11:30 AM ET (US)
Chris of Sarasota--Lovely 22'Outrage. I have a friend looking for a clean Whaler. 2 questions,, What's your ask? and, is the v6 a 200 or 225? Oh, #3, does the boat come with a trailer? Thanks so much David
David Ratusnik posted 12-02-2001 06:38 PM ET (US)
Javier- I note from the legend on the motor pictures that you are running twin 140's. I've seen that set-up on 25'Outrages. Your boat must fly!!!! I believe the 22 was rated max at 240 hp,-- how does your boat handle out of the hole?? Top end? You guys seem to be having a ball-go for it. Thanks David
Peter posted 12-02-2001 07:45 PM ET (US)
It appears that Javier is leaning against a Whaler Drive making his a 22 Outrage WD. The 22 Outrage WD is rated for a maximum of 300 hp.
reelescape1 posted 12-02-2001 08:57 PM ET (US)
The last shot is of our 22' OR....it's only powered with twin Evinrude 88 SPL's, not the 140's listed (I wish!). The rear "panel" is 316 SS tubing fitted and welded to fit with aluminum cross bars supporting 8 rod holders. The leaning post is a "Nautical Designs" custom tackle center with a 24 gal. Whaler tank underneath.
jimh posted 12-02-2001 11:46 PM ET (US)
I emended the text of the caption to reflect your corrections--thanks!
--jimh
Taylor posted 12-03-2001 03:05 PM ET (US)
Jim, I think the full text of the saying is "The two happiest days in a boat owner's life is they day he buys a new boat, and the day when he sells her." This goes right along with "If you want experience sailing, just stand in a cold shower fully clothed and tear up $100 bills". ;)
BTW, I love the look on the faces in Javier's pictures. My kids look that happy, but my wife and the dogs are not so sure yet.
george nagy posted 12-07-2001 05:24 PM ET (US)
Is Chris juall's 22 still for sale?
jimh posted 12-08-2001 09:37 AM ET (US)
I was beginning to look fondly at Chris's boat, too, but alas, he sold it to his brother-in-law's brother in Minnesota. I revised the text in the article to include this, as I think several people were interested in that fine Outrage.
I also tweaked a few of the captions to clear up some questions. It seems that the straight-across motor well dam must have come after 1987. Chris Juall's 1987 model has the curved well.
I wonder if Whaler had to build a whole new mold for the cockpit liner, or if they could just modify the original to change a feature like that?
I think I have included all the 22-Outrage photos that I currently have, although at least one more owner is going to send me some new pictures of his boat. I'll append them to the article as soon as I get them. So keep an eye out for them, and that will round out this installment of CETACEA.
OutrageMan posted 12-10-2001 01:59 PM ET (US)
For those of you who have emailed me about the gelcoating of the aft deck hatches, Jim has posted another picture that shows this area very well.
Brian

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Author	Topic: Page 45: Outrage-22's, Nov. 27, 2001
jimh	posted 11-27-2001 01:28 AM ET (US) This message thread is for comment on Cetacea Page 45, which first appeared November 27, 2001, and features photographs of David Ratusnik's Boston Whaler 1986 Outrage 22, Javier Zaera's 1988 22-Outrage, and Brian Blazer's 1991 22-Outrage. [NOTE: I added the last six pictures after the initial publication--JWH.]
jimh	posted 11-27-2001 01:42 AM ET (US) As everyone perhaps already knows, I am quite interested in engine setback brackets, and David's boat is the first I have seen which has a standard, cut transom and a big truss-style setback bracket. It is hard to tell from the pictures what has become of the original motor well drains. Perhaps David can tell us if there is a provision for them in the bracket's design, or if they are now covered, and in that case, how water is drained from the well. I am certain the boat must ship some water over the stern if backing down rapidly, although every Whaler made does that, too.
David Ratusnik	posted 11-27-2001 07:38 AM ET (US) The bracket does not compromise the drain out of the boat at the lowest center line point just under the bracket. I generally leave the splash well plug out. The splash well fills and drains as if the bracket were not there. The previous owner installed the bracket to improve the "fishability" of the Outrage. In flat water you can place one foot on the bracket and one on the boat and fish away. I fish approx. 10% of time--cruise and ski the rest. The family likes the bracket be/c it gets a big smokey engine away from everyone. It has worked out well for us. David
jimh	posted 12-01-2001 10:07 AM ET (US) UPDATE: December 1, 2001. I added six more pictures to this CETACEA Page (45), as I suddenly found I had quite a collection of 22-Outrage photos from this same era. Please take another look at Page 45, as I think you will find even more interesting Whaler photographs.
David Ratusnik	posted 12-02-2001 09:02 AM ET (US) Brian- Nice boat you sold. Question- Did the addition of the hydrofoil impact steering the boat? I've been going back and forth over adding a hydrofoil versus Lenco trim tabs. A respected mechanic tells me to stay away from the hydrofoil (which would go on a 225 off a bracket) since it would negatively impact steering. He does not know I have an interest in the tabs. Any thoughts. Thanks David
OutrageMan	posted 12-02-2001 09:50 AM ET (US) It is my opinion that steering was improved. Or to be more specific that turning preformance was improved with better hold. I had hydrolic (sp) steering so I didn't notice any changes as far as feedback, etc. Brian
David Ratusnik	posted 12-02-2001 10:41 AM ET (US) Appreciate--David
David Ratusnik	posted 12-02-2001 11:30 AM ET (US) Chris of Sarasota--Lovely 22'Outrage. I have a friend looking for a clean Whaler. 2 questions,, What's your ask? and, is the v6 a 200 or 225? Oh, #3, does the boat come with a trailer? Thanks so much David
David Ratusnik	posted 12-02-2001 06:38 PM ET (US) Javier- I note from the legend on the motor pictures that you are running twin 140's. I've seen that set-up on 25'Outrages. Your boat must fly!!!! I believe the 22 was rated max at 240 hp,-- how does your boat handle out of the hole?? Top end? You guys seem to be having a ball-go for it. Thanks David
Peter	posted 12-02-2001 07:45 PM ET (US) It appears that Javier is leaning against a Whaler Drive making his a 22 Outrage WD. The 22 Outrage WD is rated for a maximum of 300 hp.
reelescape1	posted 12-02-2001 08:57 PM ET (US) The last shot is of our 22' OR....it's only powered with twin Evinrude 88 SPL's, not the 140's listed (I wish!). The rear "panel" is 316 SS tubing fitted and welded to fit with aluminum cross bars supporting 8 rod holders. The leaning post is a "Nautical Designs" custom tackle center with a 24 gal. Whaler tank underneath.
jimh	posted 12-02-2001 11:46 PM ET (US) I emended the text of the caption to reflect your corrections--thanks! --jimh
Taylor	posted 12-03-2001 03:05 PM ET (US) Jim, I think the full text of the saying is "The two happiest days in a boat owner's life is they day he buys a new boat, and the day when he sells her." This goes right along with "If you want experience sailing, just stand in a cold shower fully clothed and tear up $100 bills". ;) BTW, I love the look on the faces in Javier's pictures. My kids look that happy, but my wife and the dogs are not so sure yet.
george nagy	posted 12-07-2001 05:24 PM ET (US) Is Chris juall's 22 still for sale?
jimh	posted 12-08-2001 09:37 AM ET (US) I was beginning to look fondly at Chris's boat, too, but alas, he sold it to his brother-in-law's brother in Minnesota. I revised the text in the article to include this, as I think several people were interested in that fine Outrage. I also tweaked a few of the captions to clear up some questions. It seems that the straight-across motor well dam must have come after 1987. Chris Juall's 1987 model has the curved well. I wonder if Whaler had to build a whole new mold for the cockpit liner, or if they could just modify the original to change a feature like that? I think I have included all the 22-Outrage photos that I currently have, although at least one more owner is going to send me some new pictures of his boat. I'll append them to the article as soon as I get them. So keep an eye out for them, and that will round out this installment of CETACEA.
OutrageMan	posted 12-10-2001 01:59 PM ET (US) For those of you who have emailed me about the gelcoating of the aft deck hatches, Jim has posted another picture that shows this area very well. Brian