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jimh posted 01-26-2002 11:15 PM ET (US)
This message thread is for comments about Cetacea Page 50 which first appeared Sunday, January 27, 2002, and featured fifteen photographs of 15-foot Whalers from four different models.
jimh posted 01-26-2002 11:19 PM ET (US)
No, CETACEA has not gone to the dogs. But those great lines on the 15-foot hull's bow, wow....
Flipper posted 01-27-2002 11:23 AM ET (US)
David Roach's boat is a blast from the past for me. Just add the tall bow rail and a mohogany forward thwart, and this is what Flipper looked like in the 80's. Being the only fisherman in the family,I didn't have enough voting power against my siblings; so the trend towards less deck space started with the rear thwart being added.When I bought the boat I continued the Sport trend, instead of changing it back, because I still have my casting platform in the bow ( I also developed a mahogany fetish- any doctors out there? ).
CarlRobert posted 01-27-2002 02:39 PM ET (US)
Whoa Flipper, where's the boat! All I see is motor. Actually, my 13 Sport with the new Merc 4 stroke 40 looks somewhat out of balance too. Nice rig!
Carl R
jimh posted 01-29-2002 01:09 AM ET (US)
With regard to the exposed foam seen in the forward locker of David Roach's 1989 15-Striper (in photograph Ref. 50-15), this is exactly as it appears in my own boat, a 1976 model (the first year).
Others have mentioned a "cap" of some sort being placed across this area. I would be interested to hear more of that (and even more interested to see a photo of the "cap").
Sandy's customized 15-Sport with the 90-HP must be one of the fastest in existance. He jokingly said he could not furnish pictures while underway because no one could keep up with him--I believe it!
It is interesting that all the boat show some modification to the seating. I think that initially Whaler probably thought the 15-foot boat would be used, like the 13-footer, as a day boat, a boat for making little jaunts, and for water sports, etc.
The performance of the hull (ride characteristic) was so good that I think people end up having much longer endurance aboard the 15-foot Whaler than they do on the 13-foot. They tend to take it on longer runs or trips, and after several hours the seating gets to be uncomfortable.
As a result is seems to be common to find some new seats, seat backs, and cushions installed on most 15-foot Whalers. We have been resisting this on ours out of a sense of keeping it totally "stock", but I think I will finally take a drill to some varnished mahogany and mount some better seats in it.
Andrew also sent some photos of his big trawler with the Whaler in tow; I'll use these in a coming installment.
I also admire the nice carpentry of Gene Morrison's center console. As we have seen in a couple of other home-made consoles, it is easy to make something that is functional but looks less than Whaler-like. Here Gene has built a very attractive console, one that Whaler would have been proud to have offered.
Thanks to all our contributors. You have four great looking classic Whalers.
--jimh
stagalv posted 01-29-2002 03:05 PM ET (US)
OK, just how fast is the 15 with the new Merc 90??
Flipper posted 01-30-2002 01:23 AM ET (US)
With my brother sitting next to me holding the GPS, she hovered around 55mph. This is an average reading; doing runs upstream and downstream. I still have yet to get a reading with just myself, a 1/8th full tank, etc. I imagine it wouldn't be much faster; there isn't much boat in the water with two people, let alone one.
I generally cruise around at about 45mph most of the time though, knowing the engine is barely 'jogging'.The speed is always there when I "need" it.
SuburbanBoy posted 01-30-2002 08:42 AM ET (US)
I wish I had followed Flipper's path when I repowered my 15. I "only" have 70hp on the transom. With full family load (mom and dad sitting in comfortable seats) and four kids I would like a little more punch. I probably would have looked high and low for an injected Yamaha 90. While it may be a little short compared to the Merc 90, it is also much lighter. The 15 is one of Whalers best recreational hulls. Easy to tow (less than 2,000 pounds), yet with a larger boat ride and capacity. I have enjoyed every minute in mine.

sub
Whaler15 posted 02-02-2002 07:59 AM ET (US)
JimH,
Before you start drilling your mahogany, let me offer a suggestion.
Mine is a 15' Striper. Just like most others, I too had a problem with the seating, especially the rear seating. Since the rear pedestal is mounted on the floor of the boat, it is very cluttered around your feet with gas tanks, batteries, etc. Also, I wanted more space for ice chests since I use one for a live well, the other for fish, and a small one in front of the console for food and drinks.
The pedestal mount works out great in the front. Behind the console, I found that 2 54 quart igloos will fit (barely) side to side across. With color coded cushions from Boater's World these 2 chests provide adequate seating and ice chest space.
Behind the chests, I removed the rear pedestal seat and built a removable (not attached to the boat at all) wood frame out of 2X4's on one side (approx 3'X3'X1'H) and a heavy duty storage container from Pep Boys (also 1'high one the other side). OK, hang on, I know it sounds pretty crude at this point but it gets better.
Next, out of 1/2" plywood, I built a 3 section carpeted deck higed on each side and stationery in the middle. The 2 hinged section (continuous stainless steel piano hinges) allow access to the storage container on one side, and batteries, fuel tanks, etc on the other. On the center stationery section,I mounted a pedestal seat. The deck is just about the same height as the 2 igloo cushions and is easily removed because it is not attached to the frame below. The weight of the seat and plywood is adequate to assure that is doesn't blow out of the boat. I've had it like this since 1992 and never had a problem. It works out great.
The only drilling I did was for 2 wood runners side to side to hold the igloos in place.
Advantages: Good seating, ice chest space, more storage space, looks great, clear path from bow to stern.
Disadvantages: Adds weight, difficult to get to drain plug, has to be removed to thoroughly clean the boat.
This got more wordy than I planned but if you would like pictures I would be glad to e-mail it to you.
Also, thanks for the great website!
jimh posted 02-03-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)
[Added additional comments from Gene Morrison about his fine center console. Corrected lineage of hulls by adding 19-foot Outrage hull c.1970--jimh]
FirstStraw posted 02-09-2002 08:56 PM ET (US)
Gene Morrison - thanks for sending in those pics of your console. That looks like a great setup. I've been looking for a console design to add to my '74 Katama to allow for stand-up operation.
Any chance you have plans you could post? Does it mount direct to the deck, or did you build up from an existing console?
Great 15 feature. Thanks.j
jimh posted 04-03-2002 07:15 PM ET (US)
[See http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001795.html for some follow on discussion about water ingress to 15-foot hulls.]
Highwater posted 06-10-2002 11:16 PM ET (US)
In photo 50-08, I see that Flipper still sits in the water fairly well with a 2-stroke (?) 90 hp Mercury. Any idea how much that engine weighs?
lhg posted 06-11-2002 12:33 AM ET (US)
Both the 75 & 90HP Merc 2-strokes weigh 305 lbs
keltonkrew posted 10-22-2002 09:09 PM ET (US)
Gene,
If your still around here I would like to talk to you. I love your center console. I'm making a new one for my 13' and I'm interested in how you ran your control cables, etc. Right now, mine run on the floor and the steering runs down starboard gunnel.
Loved your setup.
Trip Boldt posted 06-17-2003 03:49 PM ET (US)
Wanted some info on Flippers bench seating.
I have been trying to come up with a bench with a back this looks good. Could you give me some idea how it was built. also info on how you built the hinged back sure would appreciate it! Iam also interested in how the bottom of the bench is supported to keep from flexing.
Flipper posted 04-23-2006 02:54 PM ET (US)
I have drawings for my interior and am also doing custom interiors for people on the St.Lawrence (and elsewhere).
Sorry I took so long; have been offline for a while. Please post back if still interested.
hauptjm posted 10-24-2006 02:00 PM ET (US)
Andrew Sherlock, REST IN PEACE
jon martin posted 08-03-2007 06:31 PM ET (US)
iam trying to send you a picture of 1979 boston whaler 15 ft striper,powered by the original 70hp johnson...the boat was purchased may 27,1979 by my father who treated this boat better than he treated his children{just kidding} my father maintained this boat exactly as per the whaler and johnson owner manuals...aside from a few nicks from errant new boat owners at the boat dock this whaler looks brand new...i purchased the boat from my father 2 yrs ago after many winters in the california delta chasing giant stripers. i now get to enjoy this gem on my own terms,this boat is in the delta water 2-4 days a week for 8 mos out of the year for 26 years,aside from a cranking battery failure the whaler and johnson perform superbly,i retrailerd the boat when i bought it and reupholstered the seats and cooler seat top and had all the wood revarnished by a close friend who believes all wood to be his best friend.in short i have fished the tidal waters of the california delta for 25 years from many of my buddies boats and i always sit there waiting for a big fish to strike wishing i was in my whaler, in short i wanted to say i think the 15ft striper is the finest fishing boat ever made.........

yours truly.............jon c. martin

Flipper posted 04-28-2013 12:07 PM ET (US)
Here's a link to the video of Flipper at full speed, taken with the camera mounted on the light post.
http://youtu.be/hhcR9CPUe6o
Freddy posted 04-29-2013 08:08 PM ET (US)
Nice, just a tad to fast for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhcR9CPUe6o&feature=youtu.be
Jamesgt727 posted 05-08-2013 06:12 PM ET (US)
Flipper, is that you in the "whaler shenanigans" video too? You still run that thing? Believe it or not, your video was one of the inspiring moments for me to begin my project "Black Max". I have the photos over at WC on my personal page, let me know what you think. I am responsible for at least 100 views each on your YouTube videos.
Jamesgt727 posted 05-08-2013 06:20 PM ET (US)
The picture of your boat on pg 50 was the screen background on my computer for at least a year.

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Author	Topic: Page 50: 15 X 15 = 4, Jan. 27, 2002
jimh	posted 01-26-2002 11:15 PM ET (US) This message thread is for comments about Cetacea Page 50 which first appeared Sunday, January 27, 2002, and featured fifteen photographs of 15-foot Whalers from four different models.
jimh	posted 01-26-2002 11:19 PM ET (US) No, CETACEA has not gone to the dogs. But those great lines on the 15-foot hull's bow, wow....
Flipper	posted 01-27-2002 11:23 AM ET (US) David Roach's boat is a blast from the past for me. Just add the tall bow rail and a mohogany forward thwart, and this is what Flipper looked like in the 80's. Being the only fisherman in the family,I didn't have enough voting power against my siblings; so the trend towards less deck space started with the rear thwart being added.When I bought the boat I continued the Sport trend, instead of changing it back, because I still have my casting platform in the bow ( I also developed a mahogany fetish- any doctors out there? ).
CarlRobert	posted 01-27-2002 02:39 PM ET (US) Whoa Flipper, where's the boat! All I see is motor. Actually, my 13 Sport with the new Merc 4 stroke 40 looks somewhat out of balance too. Nice rig! Carl R
jimh	posted 01-29-2002 01:09 AM ET (US) With regard to the exposed foam seen in the forward locker of David Roach's 1989 15-Striper (in photograph Ref. 50-15), this is exactly as it appears in my own boat, a 1976 model (the first year). Others have mentioned a "cap" of some sort being placed across this area. I would be interested to hear more of that (and even more interested to see a photo of the "cap"). Sandy's customized 15-Sport with the 90-HP must be one of the fastest in existance. He jokingly said he could not furnish pictures while underway because no one could keep up with him--I believe it! It is interesting that all the boat show some modification to the seating. I think that initially Whaler probably thought the 15-foot boat would be used, like the 13-footer, as a day boat, a boat for making little jaunts, and for water sports, etc. The performance of the hull (ride characteristic) was so good that I think people end up having much longer endurance aboard the 15-foot Whaler than they do on the 13-foot. They tend to take it on longer runs or trips, and after several hours the seating gets to be uncomfortable. As a result is seems to be common to find some new seats, seat backs, and cushions installed on most 15-foot Whalers. We have been resisting this on ours out of a sense of keeping it totally "stock", but I think I will finally take a drill to some varnished mahogany and mount some better seats in it. Andrew also sent some photos of his big trawler with the Whaler in tow; I'll use these in a coming installment. I also admire the nice carpentry of Gene Morrison's center console. As we have seen in a couple of other home-made consoles, it is easy to make something that is functional but looks less than Whaler-like. Here Gene has built a very attractive console, one that Whaler would have been proud to have offered. Thanks to all our contributors. You have four great looking classic Whalers. --jimh
stagalv	posted 01-29-2002 03:05 PM ET (US) OK, just how fast is the 15 with the new Merc 90??
Flipper	posted 01-30-2002 01:23 AM ET (US) With my brother sitting next to me holding the GPS, she hovered around 55mph. This is an average reading; doing runs upstream and downstream. I still have yet to get a reading with just myself, a 1/8th full tank, etc. I imagine it wouldn't be much faster; there isn't much boat in the water with two people, let alone one. I generally cruise around at about 45mph most of the time though, knowing the engine is barely 'jogging'.The speed is always there when I "need" it.
SuburbanBoy	posted 01-30-2002 08:42 AM ET (US) I wish I had followed Flipper's path when I repowered my 15. I "only" have 70hp on the transom. With full family load (mom and dad sitting in comfortable seats) and four kids I would like a little more punch. I probably would have looked high and low for an injected Yamaha 90. While it may be a little short compared to the Merc 90, it is also much lighter. The 15 is one of Whalers best recreational hulls. Easy to tow (less than 2,000 pounds), yet with a larger boat ride and capacity. I have enjoyed every minute in mine. sub
Whaler15	posted 02-02-2002 07:59 AM ET (US) JimH, Before you start drilling your mahogany, let me offer a suggestion. Mine is a 15' Striper. Just like most others, I too had a problem with the seating, especially the rear seating. Since the rear pedestal is mounted on the floor of the boat, it is very cluttered around your feet with gas tanks, batteries, etc. Also, I wanted more space for ice chests since I use one for a live well, the other for fish, and a small one in front of the console for food and drinks. The pedestal mount works out great in the front. Behind the console, I found that 2 54 quart igloos will fit (barely) side to side across. With color coded cushions from Boater's World these 2 chests provide adequate seating and ice chest space. Behind the chests, I removed the rear pedestal seat and built a removable (not attached to the boat at all) wood frame out of 2X4's on one side (approx 3'X3'X1'H) and a heavy duty storage container from Pep Boys (also 1'high one the other side). OK, hang on, I know it sounds pretty crude at this point but it gets better. Next, out of 1/2" plywood, I built a 3 section carpeted deck higed on each side and stationery in the middle. The 2 hinged section (continuous stainless steel piano hinges) allow access to the storage container on one side, and batteries, fuel tanks, etc on the other. On the center stationery section,I mounted a pedestal seat. The deck is just about the same height as the 2 igloo cushions and is easily removed because it is not attached to the frame below. The weight of the seat and plywood is adequate to assure that is doesn't blow out of the boat. I've had it like this since 1992 and never had a problem. It works out great. The only drilling I did was for 2 wood runners side to side to hold the igloos in place. Advantages: Good seating, ice chest space, more storage space, looks great, clear path from bow to stern. Disadvantages: Adds weight, difficult to get to drain plug, has to be removed to thoroughly clean the boat. This got more wordy than I planned but if you would like pictures I would be glad to e-mail it to you. Also, thanks for the great website!
jimh	posted 02-03-2002 11:13 AM ET (US) [Added additional comments from Gene Morrison about his fine center console. Corrected lineage of hulls by adding 19-foot Outrage hull c.1970--jimh]
FirstStraw	posted 02-09-2002 08:56 PM ET (US) Gene Morrison - thanks for sending in those pics of your console. That looks like a great setup. I've been looking for a console design to add to my '74 Katama to allow for stand-up operation. Any chance you have plans you could post? Does it mount direct to the deck, or did you build up from an existing console? Great 15 feature. Thanks.j
jimh	posted 04-03-2002 07:15 PM ET (US) [See http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001795.html for some follow on discussion about water ingress to 15-foot hulls.]
Highwater	posted 06-10-2002 11:16 PM ET (US) In photo 50-08, I see that Flipper still sits in the water fairly well with a 2-stroke (?) 90 hp Mercury. Any idea how much that engine weighs?
lhg	posted 06-11-2002 12:33 AM ET (US) Both the 75 & 90HP Merc 2-strokes weigh 305 lbs
keltonkrew	posted 10-22-2002 09:09 PM ET (US) Gene, If your still around here I would like to talk to you. I love your center console. I'm making a new one for my 13' and I'm interested in how you ran your control cables, etc. Right now, mine run on the floor and the steering runs down starboard gunnel. Loved your setup.
Trip Boldt	posted 06-17-2003 03:49 PM ET (US) Wanted some info on Flippers bench seating. I have been trying to come up with a bench with a back this looks good. Could you give me some idea how it was built. also info on how you built the hinged back sure would appreciate it! Iam also interested in how the bottom of the bench is supported to keep from flexing.
Flipper	posted 04-23-2006 02:54 PM ET (US) I have drawings for my interior and am also doing custom interiors for people on the St.Lawrence (and elsewhere). Sorry I took so long; have been offline for a while. Please post back if still interested.
hauptjm	posted 10-24-2006 02:00 PM ET (US) Andrew Sherlock, REST IN PEACE
jon martin	posted 08-03-2007 06:31 PM ET (US) iam trying to send you a picture of 1979 boston whaler 15 ft striper,powered by the original 70hp johnson...the boat was purchased may 27,1979 by my father who treated this boat better than he treated his children{just kidding} my father maintained this boat exactly as per the whaler and johnson owner manuals...aside from a few nicks from errant new boat owners at the boat dock this whaler looks brand new...i purchased the boat from my father 2 yrs ago after many winters in the california delta chasing giant stripers. i now get to enjoy this gem on my own terms,this boat is in the delta water 2-4 days a week for 8 mos out of the year for 26 years,aside from a cranking battery failure the whaler and johnson perform superbly,i retrailerd the boat when i bought it and reupholstered the seats and cooler seat top and had all the wood revarnished by a close friend who believes all wood to be his best friend.in short i have fished the tidal waters of the california delta for 25 years from many of my buddies boats and i always sit there waiting for a big fish to strike wishing i was in my whaler, in short i wanted to say i think the 15ft striper is the finest fishing boat ever made......... yours truly.............jon c. martin
Flipper	posted 04-28-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) Here's a link to the video of Flipper at full speed, taken with the camera mounted on the light post. http://youtu.be/hhcR9CPUe6o
Freddy	posted 04-29-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Nice, just a tad to fast for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhcR9CPUe6o&feature=youtu.be
Jamesgt727	posted 05-08-2013 06:12 PM ET (US) Flipper, is that you in the "whaler shenanigans" video too? You still run that thing? Believe it or not, your video was one of the inspiring moments for me to begin my project "Black Max". I have the photos over at WC on my personal page, let me know what you think. I am responsible for at least 100 views each on your YouTube videos.
Jamesgt727	posted 05-08-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) The picture of your boat on pg 50 was the screen background on my computer for at least a year.