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jimh posted 03-07-2002 09:37 AM ET (US)   Profile for jimh   Send Email to jimh  
Please use this message thread for comments about http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage54.html which previewed on March 7, 2002 with photographs of recent new products at the Detroit and Miami boat shows.
gf posted 03-07-2002 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for gf  Send Email to gf     

Looks like a mighty "shapely cowling" on the woman in the Evinrude Returns photo!
Georgian Bay Boater posted 03-07-2002 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Georgian Bay Boater  Send Email to Georgian Bay Boater     
Jim,

In the third photo, isn't that a Merc engine not an Evinrude as described ?

Just curious.

Andreas
[Oops! I left a window open and saved the wrong changes... fixed that.--jimh]

jimh posted 03-07-2002 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Notice how the Mystery Merc is supported?

The engine is being held aloft by the cavitation plate! I guess that answers questions about how strong those plates are when you mount some doel-fins on them.

--jimh

lhg posted 03-07-2002 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
From the looks of the traffic, Honda needed to rent a few of those French Canadian women from Bombardier for the duration of the show.

That Mercury is the craziest looking engine I've seen in while. And I thought the Suzuki 140 and Yamaha bass boat engines were funny looking things!

peteinsf posted 03-07-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
That merc looks like something out of robocop! It would look cool in white.

sorcerer posted 03-07-2002 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for sorcerer    
The 2001 250hp Ficht was first produced in the Fall of 2000 by OMC until they closed shop!

A number of them were sold in 2001 from the left over purchased inventory by Bombardier. I might add, with no problems.

The first group of engines to go back in production this past Fall 2001 at Bomdardier's new plant were the 150, 200, 225 and the 250hp Fichts.

Ed Stone posted 03-07-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
The first thing that came to my mind
when I seen that big Merc was.
Star Wars
Luke come to the dark side!
Alan Hiccock posted 03-07-2002 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I'd be willing to bet it's held up by the cavitation plate because there's nothing inside. It's a display , hence no one's allowed near it, it's cordoned off and placed 6 'in the air. Otherwise people would be checking it out up close, removing the cover ect..
Alan
jimh posted 03-08-2002 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Good point, Alan!

I had not thought about the Mystery Merc being just a display dummy. It looks like it would weigh over 600 pounds if filled with 4.0-Litres of aluminum engine and parts.

That's the great thing about the FORUM--you get a collective wisdom that cannot be equalled.

seagull posted 03-08-2002 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for seagull  Send Email to seagull     
All of the engine dealers I have seen have those cavitation plate stands in their show room and those engines have all the guts.

A fancy cover and paint job does go a long way when you can't get to the cover latches.

jimh posted 03-08-2002 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Added six more photographs this morning. A few more still in the works.
Alan Hiccock posted 03-08-2002 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alan Hiccock  Send Email to Alan Hiccock     
I agree 100% Jim, sort of like brainstorming.
Might seem corny, but I never thanked you for such a wonderful site. I'm new to the Whaler experience, I've learned more here @ Continuouswave.com
then anywhere else about these boats.
Alan
lhg posted 03-08-2002 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
A "255" (whatever length that means) Conquest that weighs 400 lb MORE than a 10' beam 27' CPD Guardian (with heavy duty glasswork), rated for 600 HP?

Are these Conquests really higher tech, 21st century boats as some here have suggested, are or they just overdesigned slugs? Just don't like that new 255! However, I actually like the exterior hull on the new 21, but as I have commented elsewhere, the zooty "Bayliner" interior, nicely shown in the photograph, just flabbergasts me.
Don't understand why they would do that. And that's where the weight is coming from.

jimh posted 03-08-2002 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Two more new pics, another Mercury Mystery Motor and Edgewater's latest. That's it for this installment of CETACEA!
Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2002 09:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
jimh,

Nice work. It's interesting to see that prototype Merc 100. The Mystery Merc motor on display does have some of that powerhead/mid-section integration that this prototype has. You can tell that's the direction they're trying to go. I can see the engineers just rolling their eyes when the design guys drop off the concept drawings.

I especially like the high resolution option you've offered on the photo of the Edgewater Boat. I would really like to see this done more often with the photos here on the ContinuousWave site.

dscew posted 03-08-2002 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
It's a shame, really, that Boston Whaler has reversed the truth of its early purpose. It used to be, as evidenced by the 13 and 17 classics, that "form follows function." It's very obvious (to me, at least), that function is taking a definite back seat to form. Boston Whaler has changed from an engineering corporation to a marketing corporation. Yes, the Sea Ray, Maxum, and Bayliner curves sell lots of boats against their competitors. But to see Whaler do this is just plain sad. I'm sure the quality is still there, and I've always been a supporter of the notion that BW has to get with the trends to keep its market share, but I would not have expected this. My opinion is that the 2002 models stink.
Gep posted 03-09-2002 03:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
I don't know if the guts are in that big one, but being in the display business and having set up the Yamaha booth in the Minneapolis Convention center a couple of years ago I can tell you there aren't that many fake models on the showfloor.
whalernut posted 03-09-2002 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Those Whalers are ugly Bayliner looking things, not very Classic looking at all. Get rid of the Euro-transom and the Curvy interiors-Yuck!! Jack.
jimh posted 03-09-2002 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Following up on Tom Clark's comment on the high-resolution image option:

In this particular case, I had the luxury of having a professional-lab-quality 8x10 print of the photograph to scan. I also liked the composition of the scene and the particular color of the hull in contrast to the clouds overhead. The larger images are nice if you happen to have a larger monitor, but if you are still stuck with a 15-inch (or even a 13-inch like mine) you can't really see them without scrolling.

The bigger files take up more disk space, which is always a scarcity. That images uses about 230K, while most CETACEA images are closer to 50K.

I just installed a dozen new SONY GDM-520 21-inch monitors and I have to say they do have quite a bit of screen area (!). If I get one for home use, maybe my opinions of proper images size will change.

EasyE posted 03-09-2002 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for EasyE  Send Email to EasyE     
Hey havent you guys seen the turbine outboard that Mercury was testing on LakeX?? Than engine looks similar. Except that engine had two exhaust pipes coming out the cowl towards the back. It probably made a hell of a noise, perhaps mercury has muffled that some how and going to put it on the market? If i remember correctly it was said that although the engine is big, it is light and is capable of over 250hp.
Turbine engines do have some good points which are all spoiled by the noise they make...you need ear muffs while operating around them. They have an incredible power to weight ratio...you cant really blow them by exsessive rpms w/proper cooling & lubing...they dount burn much gas...and I think you can use just about any flammable gas like alcohol,gas,diesel to run it. Ill try to find the site address with the picture and post it.-EasyE
EasyE posted 03-09-2002 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for EasyE  Send Email to EasyE     
http://www.texs.com/magazine/tsg_13.htm

http://www.marineturbine.com/press/misc/power.pdf

Those are the sites of the turbine outboard. The outboard is the weight of a 50hp Johnson and makes 400HP! The first site shows the outboard with a racing lower unit thats about the weight of a 3cyl 25hp Johnson. I wouldnt mind one...EasyE

hauptjm posted 03-12-2002 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Quiet it down, and get the price below $40,000.00 and I'll bet it does get some attention.

Very interesting information. Thanks for the heads-up.

tchowes posted 04-22-2002 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for tchowes  Send Email to tchowes     
Seeing those pictures of the 2002 whalers was enough to make me cringe.

Unfortunately, this current styling is just a longer term "baylinerization" trend that has been occurring since the late 1990's. I hate to say this, but I don't consider the current whalers to be real whalers anymore. I also question whether the current models will have the long term endurance of the older boats.

I'm starting to sound like an old man when I say "they don't build em like they used to". Makes me feel like my 1986 22' Outrage Cuddy is more desirable (at least to me).

The only good news is the fact that the new Montauk is MUCH cheaper than the model they replaced. Frankly, they should have raised the price $1,000 and put a decent console, 35 gallon fuel tank and a decent flip back seat in it. The styling seems ok, but with shades of Carolina Skiff.

Cuddos to Searay for simplifying the manufacturing process and giving few options to people in order to keep the price in check.

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