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jimh posted 12-16-2002 09:02 PM ET (US)
Please use this message thread exclusively for comments on the boats seen in Cetacea Page 67 .
Many thanks to all the people who contributed photographs for this feature. This page first appeared on December 16, 2002.
tabasco posted 12-17-2002 07:58 AM ET (US)
A very nice Cetacea page......Nick you finally made it.
PS: Happy holidays to all the forum members.
Ray
Bigshot posted 12-17-2002 09:46 AM ET (US)
What a l.o.n.g....strange trip it's been!
Now you guys/gals have to come on down for our next one(Jan 19th). Jim edited all the good parts ;)
Samars posted 12-17-2002 01:35 PM ET (US)

Great looking shots and looks like a great time was had by all. Am I getting old or were others trying to look around the bikini clad women to get a better look at the Whalers?
GAwhale posted 12-17-2002 05:06 PM ET (US)
I can't make Jan 19th, however I hope Bigshot keeps the Florida rendezvous's (plural) going. I am determined to make it to one.
Great photos. That has got to be one of the most original looking mailbox holders I have ever seen. What would possess someone to do that?
North Beach posted 12-17-2002 08:57 PM ET (US)
JIM
You really only got to use the boat twice?
andygere posted 12-18-2002 01:42 AM ET (US)
Bravo on another fine Cetacea installment. The photos of South Fox Island could easily be mistaken for Wellfleet (Cape Cod) Massachusetts, which is right in the heart of Whaler country.
Jim's Squall has got me thinking about a neglected one I've been keeping my eye on for a while in Santa Cruz.....
Bigshot posted 12-18-2002 09:14 AM ET (US)
Santa Cruz is a far drive from Wellfleet:) It does look like the Cape....very pretty. Wish we had some bluffs in Florida. They do in the panhandle but that is another country....or may as well be being how far it is from me.
jimp posted 12-18-2002 11:28 AM ET (US)
Andy -
Doesn't hurt to ask, offer them $50. When I first saw mine, I got out of the car to look at it and the lady came out of her house and said, "What are you doing?" I said, "I'll give you $50 for your Boston Whaler." And she said, "WHAT? Well, OK, if you really want it." Just ask about the one in Santa Cruz.
JimP
lhg posted 12-18-2002 04:33 PM ET (US)
Those "perched dunes" (as they are called) are over 600' high and way too steep to climb. Are there really dunes that high on the Cape and in the Panhandle?
In spite of all the power boaters/sailors on Lake Michigan, very very few have even seen or been to South Fox. You have to hit the weather just right, and there aren't very many opportunities. It's a very remote place.
andygere posted 12-18-2002 06:23 PM ET (US)
Larry, the dunes on the Cape aren't nearly that high, more like 100 feet, but the look of the landscape is remarkably similar.
Jim, I guess I'd better start tracking down the owner before someone else does. My daughter will be ready to start sailing in just 4 or 5 years!
jimh posted 12-18-2002 09:05 PM ET (US)
South Fox Island is quite a place. The vast majority of the boaters on Lake Michigan have never even seen it, I'd bet. It is too far offshore to be see from the coast, and I don't think people particularly go that far offshore to fish.
We were there on Labor Day weekend, the weather was perfectly calm, and there was one other boat in the area.
People are frequently talking about California's Catalina Island as being an offshore destination, but I think it is only about 20 miles offshore.
lhg posted 12-19-2002 12:07 AM ET (US)
The song always said it was 26 miles, Jim. Maybe you're too young to remember it!
Bigshot posted 12-19-2002 08:43 AM ET (US)
How far is Fax offshore? Larry, like Andy said 100-150' but the views look similar. If they are way to steep to climb.....uh explain the pic please:)
jimp posted 12-19-2002 10:49 AM ET (US)
Andy -
By all means, track down that owner! Its never to early to get the kids into a Whaler. By the way, I got my older daughter a halibut pole for her first birthday... of course somebody else had to make sure it worked! She uses it now.
JimP
lhg posted 12-20-2002 01:02 AM ET (US)
Nick - If I remember correctly, leaving the Charlevoix Channel entrance, the DGPS waypoint to South Fox was showing 28 miles.
In looking at the last photo, you can see that the dunes on the island are a pretty steep angle of about 45 degrees, or even more. The dunes all along the Northern Michigan shore, especially Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore and those on South Manitou Island, are almost impossible to climb. The wind piles them up steeply. For those who arrive at the top by car, or hike up from the gently sloping back sides, there are signs indicating not to go down, since you won't be able to get back up. Some still do, and usually have to be rescued off the beach by boat, to get back up their cars. This is on the similar mainland dunes, of course.
Looking at that can of beer in your hand, Nick, I guarantee you would not be able to climb up one of those dunes!
The photos do not do the place justice. An uninhabited island of towering dunes, surrounded by an ocean of turquois blue fresh water. This is Boston Whaler offshore cruising at its best. It's also why I rig my Whalers with twins. The opposite Door County WI shore is about 42 miles, incidentally, another great run for a Whaler.
lhg posted 12-20-2002 01:09 AM ET (US)
Jimh forgot to mention that in the second to last photo, 67-19, that's KINGFISH relaxing on the beach, sitting in the chair with reddish shirt on. Somehow his 22' Whaler missed the photo op.
kingfish posted 12-20-2002 09:33 AM ET (US)
By golly, I think that *is* me, with my pink sun shirt on; a closer shot from a different angle would have shown that parts of *me* were getting pink also.
That was a great run that day. It seemed like the wind was building on the way out and I was planning for somewhat of a bruiser on the way back. The area we anchored in was in the lee of the wind and I couldn't tell that the wind shifted and let up while we were there; turned out the run back could have been at dead WOT, except for the shellacking I would have taken from Katie.
The photo of the boats (sans Outre'), while it was taken from up in the dunes, was taken from an area that really had very low dunes and hills, I'd guess maybe 20% the height of those shown further down. I wouldn't have tried those big ones even when I was a kid!
djahncke posted 12-30-2002 09:47 PM ET (US)
Jim,
You did your usual superb job in putting this page together. Your efforts are greatly appreciated by many.
The Mullet Lake rendezvous was great fun. I'm game to host another one in 2003. Hopefully your schedule will allow you to attend.
Just for the record Joe Hubbard's Outrage is not aground nor is it using an invisible anchor rode. As I recall he used two anchors off the port side.
JoeH posted 01-04-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)
Yes, two anchors hold the boat, keeping it from swinging with all the wonderful Whalers around. What a great day of boating! Thank you Jim for including a picture of our boat(and Don for hosting)
jimh posted 05-30-2006 12:45 AM ET (US)
I have updated Cetacea Page 67 to show the new weight of the SQUALL hull that is being dried out in Jim Potdevin's furnace room in Alaska. It must have been a cold winter this year--The boat dropped another 21-lbs of weight in the hull. This is presumed to be water which is slowly draining or evaporating. The hull has now lost 180-lbs of weight in four years.

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Author	Topic: Page 67: Reflections; December 16, 2002
jimh	posted 12-16-2002 09:02 PM ET (US) Please use this message thread exclusively for comments on the boats seen in Cetacea Page 67 . Many thanks to all the people who contributed photographs for this feature. This page first appeared on December 16, 2002.
tabasco	posted 12-17-2002 07:58 AM ET (US) A very nice Cetacea page......Nick you finally made it. PS: Happy holidays to all the forum members. Ray
Bigshot	posted 12-17-2002 09:46 AM ET (US) What a l.o.n.g....strange trip it's been! Now you guys/gals have to come on down for our next one(Jan 19th). Jim edited all the good parts ;)
Samars	posted 12-17-2002 01:35 PM ET (US) Great looking shots and looks like a great time was had by all. Am I getting old or were others trying to look around the bikini clad women to get a better look at the Whalers?
GAwhale	posted 12-17-2002 05:06 PM ET (US) I can't make Jan 19th, however I hope Bigshot keeps the Florida rendezvous's (plural) going. I am determined to make it to one. Great photos. That has got to be one of the most original looking mailbox holders I have ever seen. What would possess someone to do that?
North Beach	posted 12-17-2002 08:57 PM ET (US) JIM You really only got to use the boat twice?
andygere	posted 12-18-2002 01:42 AM ET (US) Bravo on another fine Cetacea installment. The photos of South Fox Island could easily be mistaken for Wellfleet (Cape Cod) Massachusetts, which is right in the heart of Whaler country. Jim's Squall has got me thinking about a neglected one I've been keeping my eye on for a while in Santa Cruz.....
Bigshot	posted 12-18-2002 09:14 AM ET (US) Santa Cruz is a far drive from Wellfleet:) It does look like the Cape....very pretty. Wish we had some bluffs in Florida. They do in the panhandle but that is another country....or may as well be being how far it is from me.
jimp	posted 12-18-2002 11:28 AM ET (US) Andy - Doesn't hurt to ask, offer them $50. When I first saw mine, I got out of the car to look at it and the lady came out of her house and said, "What are you doing?" I said, "I'll give you $50 for your Boston Whaler." And she said, "WHAT? Well, OK, if you really want it." Just ask about the one in Santa Cruz. JimP
lhg	posted 12-18-2002 04:33 PM ET (US) Those "perched dunes" (as they are called) are over 600' high and way too steep to climb. Are there really dunes that high on the Cape and in the Panhandle? In spite of all the power boaters/sailors on Lake Michigan, very very few have even seen or been to South Fox. You have to hit the weather just right, and there aren't very many opportunities. It's a very remote place.
andygere	posted 12-18-2002 06:23 PM ET (US) Larry, the dunes on the Cape aren't nearly that high, more like 100 feet, but the look of the landscape is remarkably similar. Jim, I guess I'd better start tracking down the owner before someone else does. My daughter will be ready to start sailing in just 4 or 5 years!
jimh	posted 12-18-2002 09:05 PM ET (US) South Fox Island is quite a place. The vast majority of the boaters on Lake Michigan have never even seen it, I'd bet. It is too far offshore to be see from the coast, and I don't think people particularly go that far offshore to fish. We were there on Labor Day weekend, the weather was perfectly calm, and there was one other boat in the area. People are frequently talking about California's Catalina Island as being an offshore destination, but I think it is only about 20 miles offshore.
lhg	posted 12-19-2002 12:07 AM ET (US) The song always said it was 26 miles, Jim. Maybe you're too young to remember it!
Bigshot	posted 12-19-2002 08:43 AM ET (US) How far is Fax offshore? Larry, like Andy said 100-150' but the views look similar. If they are way to steep to climb.....uh explain the pic please:)
jimp	posted 12-19-2002 10:49 AM ET (US) Andy - By all means, track down that owner! Its never to early to get the kids into a Whaler. By the way, I got my older daughter a halibut pole for her first birthday... of course somebody else had to make sure it worked! She uses it now. JimP
lhg	posted 12-20-2002 01:02 AM ET (US) Nick - If I remember correctly, leaving the Charlevoix Channel entrance, the DGPS waypoint to South Fox was showing 28 miles. In looking at the last photo, you can see that the dunes on the island are a pretty steep angle of about 45 degrees, or even more. The dunes all along the Northern Michigan shore, especially Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore and those on South Manitou Island, are almost impossible to climb. The wind piles them up steeply. For those who arrive at the top by car, or hike up from the gently sloping back sides, there are signs indicating not to go down, since you won't be able to get back up. Some still do, and usually have to be rescued off the beach by boat, to get back up their cars. This is on the similar mainland dunes, of course. Looking at that can of beer in your hand, Nick, I guarantee you would not be able to climb up one of those dunes! The photos do not do the place justice. An uninhabited island of towering dunes, surrounded by an ocean of turquois blue fresh water. This is Boston Whaler offshore cruising at its best. It's also why I rig my Whalers with twins. The opposite Door County WI shore is about 42 miles, incidentally, another great run for a Whaler.
lhg	posted 12-20-2002 01:09 AM ET (US) Jimh forgot to mention that in the second to last photo, 67-19, that's KINGFISH relaxing on the beach, sitting in the chair with reddish shirt on. Somehow his 22' Whaler missed the photo op.
kingfish	posted 12-20-2002 09:33 AM ET (US) By golly, I think that is me, with my pink sun shirt on; a closer shot from a different angle would have shown that parts of me were getting pink also. That was a great run that day. It seemed like the wind was building on the way out and I was planning for somewhat of a bruiser on the way back. The area we anchored in was in the lee of the wind and I couldn't tell that the wind shifted and let up while we were there; turned out the run back could have been at dead WOT, except for the shellacking I would have taken from Katie. The photo of the boats (sans Outre'), while it was taken from up in the dunes, was taken from an area that really had very low dunes and hills, I'd guess maybe 20% the height of those shown further down. I wouldn't have tried those big ones even when I was a kid!
djahncke	posted 12-30-2002 09:47 PM ET (US) Jim, You did your usual superb job in putting this page together. Your efforts are greatly appreciated by many. The Mullet Lake rendezvous was great fun. I'm game to host another one in 2003. Hopefully your schedule will allow you to attend. Just for the record Joe Hubbard's Outrage is not aground nor is it using an invisible anchor rode. As I recall he used two anchors off the port side.
JoeH	posted 01-04-2003 05:04 PM ET (US) Yes, two anchors hold the boat, keeping it from swinging with all the wonderful Whalers around. What a great day of boating! Thank you Jim for including a picture of our boat(and Don for hosting)
jimh	posted 05-30-2006 12:45 AM ET (US) I have updated Cetacea Page 67 to show the new weight of the SQUALL hull that is being dried out in Jim Potdevin's furnace room in Alaska. It must have been a cold winter this year--The boat dropped another 21-lbs of weight in the hull. This is presumed to be water which is slowly draining or evaporating. The hull has now lost 180-lbs of weight in four years.