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jimh posted 11-17-2003 07:43 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimh   Send Email to jimh  
Please use this thread exclusively for comments or questions about the photographs shown in Cetacea Page 75.

This Cetacea article features photographs and narrative from Blair Way on the shipment of his Boston Whaler Walk-Around 21 to Australia using a standard 8 X 40 foot shipping container.

This article first appeared on November 17, 2003.

jimh posted 11-17-2003 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Many thanks to Blair Way for sending in these fine images. I think the concept of shipping a Boston Whaler via standard container will be quite interesting to many Boston Whaler boat enthusiasts over seas. I also think this glimpse at the Whitsunday Islands may provide a boost in Australian tourism.
PMUCCIOLO posted 11-17-2003 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Another winner on Continuous Wave! The story of the cradle in the shipping container provides evidence of just how passionate we are about our Whalers. Congratulations on another beautifully executed page for Cetacea.
tabasco posted 11-17-2003 08:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Wow great Photos....what was the cost of shipping via container?
ryanwhaler posted 11-17-2003 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
How was the boat placed on the cradle?

Was some kind of jack used? Or maybe a crane?

91whaler posted 11-18-2003 05:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for 91whaler  Send Email to 91whaler     
Thanks for the feedback.

The cost was not too bad, around the US-$5,000 mark. Pretty standard for a 40 foot container. A bit of handling charges, etc., to enter Australia, another $1K US. Not too bad, given that it is a BW, especially when considering the replacement value down here. BW's are very expensive here. A second hand 18-footer is selling for $69,000-Aus.

To lift the boat I used a three point lift with the stbd rear anchor point set up so I could lengthen it once the trailer was rolled out of the way and the cradle was dragged under the boat (another reason I had to make it light). This made the boat tilt to stbd in a controlled manner and then I lowered it into place. The opposite (loading on the trailer) was a little trickier but it involved putting it on the trailer at an angle and then retying the slings and doing another lift to square it up.

The boat and family are moving from Brisbane to Townsville (18 degree lat)--more reef trips in order now!!
Thanks
BW - these are my initials too!

David Jenkins posted 11-18-2003 06:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Fabulous! Thank you, Blair and Jim. Do we have other pictures of this model Whaler on Cetacea? What does the inside of the cabin look like?
Knot at Work posted 11-18-2003 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Knot at Work  Send Email to Knot at Work     
Absolutely FANTASIC Story!

A big fish in a big pond!

good job and good luck.

jimh posted 11-18-2003 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't recall any photographs of the interior of the Walk-Around 21. It has a v-berth and a marine head. The head is built under the rear of the starboard berth.
scaleplane posted 11-18-2003 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for scaleplane  Send Email to scaleplane     
Great article and beautiful pictures! Wish I were there!
hauptjm posted 11-18-2003 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Great job jimh and 91whaler. Question: are you required to have registration numbers that large?

Bigshot posted 11-18-2003 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Whaler should send you some money being they are the ones who made it 8'5" instead of 8' even:)

Nice job, more effort than I would have done being a lazy American. Next time you come up we'll figure out a way to get 2 18's on top of each other in one container and make some good $$$ in Aus. Enjoy the boat and the cruising, wish I could join ya.

Landlocked posted 11-18-2003 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
Loved the article but love the boat more!!!! I think I have finally found my next whaler model. The Mrs. has been after me to move up from the Montauk to a boat more suitable for our growing family. The 21 walkaround looks perfect.

How is she to trailer?

Ll.

BugsyG posted 11-18-2003 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for BugsyG  Send Email to BugsyG     
Excellent Cetacea Page!!!

How was the fuel in the built in fuel tank? Did you have to drain it?

JAZZ

JayR posted 11-18-2003 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
Great story! Great pictures. Thoroughly enjoyed both!
Plotman posted 11-18-2003 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Bigshot -

You should be able to fit 2 Outrage 18s in a standard 40 foot shipping container without any problem - that is assuming that the standard container has 8' interior clearance. That boat is only 7'2" wide according to the specs. You should also be able to get a 22 foot hull in a container without much problem.

Brian - what kind of duty did you have to pay?

David

gimcrack225 posted 11-18-2003 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Blair,
What an exciting story. You guys have SUMMER now, right?
Its great to see another Walkaround 21' Taking that windshield off must have been a real fun job? I bet the Boat and motor were just a bit more than the 3000lb weight of a 40 foot shipping container. If I come across an extra foredeck cushion, I'll give you a shout.
Karl
Rob Cote posted 11-19-2003 05:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
91Whaler, terrific pictures and story. Thanks for sharing the experience. It certainly raises the bar on projects I might have otherwise not dared to do myself.
JayR posted 11-19-2003 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
Would there be a market there for Whalers? That pricing certainly seems attractive.

What do you say we start an export / import business?

lhg posted 11-19-2003 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
David - There are more photos of this model Whaler, "Backlash" in the Rendezvous section, NC 2000 trip, and the Sail-Logs section, July 2001 trip. In my opinion "Backlash" is the finest example of this model boat in the country.
BugsyG posted 11-20-2003 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for BugsyG  Send Email to BugsyG     
Yes, Lhg, BACKLASH is # 1 example!

JAZZ

Backlash posted 11-21-2003 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Jim, fantastic Cetacea page! Blair, your cradle is certainly an engineering marvel...now I see how the boat was inserted into the shipping container. Great photos! Unbelievable job!
Larry & BugsyG - thanks for the nice comments...actually I've had almost 14 years to constantly tweak this model - more than most current 21 owners.
Steve
91whaler posted 11-21-2003 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for 91whaler  Send Email to 91whaler     
Hauptjm, Yes the numbers are required to be that big… a little overpowering to say the least! I am going to try and get a new set that complies but is a little more blended.. a low priority for now!

Landlocked, it is a good size for trailering, I tow it with a V6, either a Ford explorer or a Mitsubishi Montero / Pajero. I have towed it over 6000 k’s so far. I have just upgraded the trailer with a dual axle braked one (required by law here for over 2 ton GVW) (the old one is a dual axle, single axle braked). The roads here are worse then most two lane blacktop in the US. They have no interstates to speak of.

BugsyG, I drained the fuel tank as best I could and had to sign off that I did.

Plotman, for personal use the duty was minimal, but for immediate sale it is more. I’m not sure of the rates but it would be in the order of 25% or more! I did fit a 78 outrage 21’4” in a container very easily, it had about 1’ on each side to slide in at 8 foot wide. No special cradle was required but the trailer was too wide so it had to be dismantled. I think I could fit at least 3 whalers in a 40 footer, stacked carefully. Weight would not be a problem.

JayR, it would be fun to bring some older models in without motors and then rig them up here and sell. I’m not sure how good a market there is, as they love “tinneys” here! These are aluminum boats in al sizes! They do not believe it is possible that a boat is unsinkable, they have very few regulations for safety in small recreational boats construction. A lot of people do comment on how they like the whaler, especially my old outrage 21. The WA gets attention but I store it at a yacht club so less gas station discussions etc!

Backlash, Glad you liked the shots… I thought most BW owners would understand why I did it! I glad Larry and BugsyG qualified you boat to the country! Mine has to be the best in this country too….(easy I know but it is improving everyday.. fuel flow meter in now and new trailer!)

Thanks to everyone for great feedback, I knew I would find somebody that understood why I did it!!

91 whaler

Buckda posted 11-23-2003 02:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Great page JimH!

What a great place to use a Whaler. I loved it and can't wait for the next pages to be released over the winter...


For the entrepreneurs in the group:
1 USD =1.38581 Aussie Dollars.

So the conversion comes down to something like $49,790.40 for a second hand 18 footer. (in US Currency, based on the $69,000.00 AUD figure provided.)

So we're doing okay on the currency conversion factor...

Shipping = 5,000 USD
Austrialian Duty = Approximately 30% (of sale price?) - figure 20,700 AUD (Based on 69K AUD sale price), or 14,937.12 USD

I assume there is a charge for title/registration but will leave it out for now.

Price of a second-hand 18' Whaler in the US: For argument sake, we'll say 16K USD.

Add 9 percent for sales tax, title and registration fees: 1,440 USD

So:

16,000.00 USD - Purchase Price in the US
1,440.00 USD - Sales Tax, Title and Registration
5,000.00 USD - Shipping (did this include insurance?)
14,937.12 USD - Austrialian Gov't Duty Tax
______________________________________________
37,377.12 USD - What we have invested to purchase and ship

49,790.00 USD - Estimated sale price
37,377.12 USD - Our investment
____________________________________
12,412.88 USD

This does not include:
10% variance on sales
Insurance: for boat, and for shipping
Any export fee from the US (?)
Australian title/registration fee (if necessary)
Our "Sweat Equity" in purchasing a boat, prepping it for shipping and unloading


Best estimate - leave 6K USD for profit per hull - and split it between the two parties on each end.

Worth it?

Hell...the economy is bad enough..some of us could use a project.

:-)


Bigshot posted 11-24-2003 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Forget paying sales tax and US registartion being we are gonna be "dealers" so save $1500 or so. We could also probably get 4 Montauks on a container and sell for say $30k a piece. Remember that $5k shipping is PER conatiner, not boat.
kingfish posted 11-24-2003 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Great article, Blair-

The Great Barrier Reef fascinates me - an uncle of mine (my namesake) owned and lived on an island off of Mckay, Queensland for a number of years, and I'll be kicking myself for the rest of my days for not getting over there somehow then...

I've sent you a photo of Uncle Jack and his grouper taken out on the island - hope you enjoy it.

kingfish

kingfish posted 11-24-2003 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Hold the presses...that would be, "Mackay", not "Mckay". Didn't sound right when I was typing it...

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