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frontier posted 01-17-2006 09:33 PM ET (US)   Profile for frontier   Send Email to frontier  
I just noticed a color mapping GPS and VHF radio combo unit for salem the Standard Horizon CPV350. Could a GPS-VHF-Fishfinder Combo be far behind? What a great idea for a center console.
Chuck Tribolet posted 01-18-2006 12:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Where did you see it? It's not on SH's website and Google
doesn't find it either.

It sounds like this is a fixed mount. The advantages of
the combined VHF/GPS fixed mount is that no wiring is required
to make DSC distress work. But there are few if any
manufacturing cost advantages. Whereas with a combined
GPS/fishfinder, the GPS and fishfinder can share the display,
keyboard, and processor.


Chuck

Chuck Tribolet posted 01-18-2006 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
And if it's a standard member of SH's family, it will take
their FF520 fishfinder add-on, and you have it all on top
of the console.


Chuck

frontier posted 01-18-2006 01:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
It's in the Feb. 06 issue of Salt Water Sportsman magazine, "New Electronics" section.
jimh posted 01-19-2006 12:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It sounds like this information may have been pre-released with an embargo, and a magazine has jumped the gun slightly. Look for an announcement from Standard-Horizon soon.
Chuck Tribolet posted 02-24-2006 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Standard Horizon CPV 350 Combination GPS, Chartplotter, and Class-D VHF Marine Radio


Chuck

Moe posted 02-24-2006 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moe  Send Email to Moe     
Dang... if ever a box was made that should have AIS built-in, this is it!

Thanks, Chuck.

--
Moe

Chuck Tribolet posted 02-25-2006 12:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
The SH website doesn't mention AIS, but it's highly likely
they could add it with a firmware load.

It does take the FF520 fishfinder addon.

Jimh will be pleased that it's Class D DSC.

Since they haven't posted the manual yet, I'd guess the CPV350
is still vaporware.

They also anounced a new CP180 and CP180i chartplotter.


Chuck

where2 posted 03-01-2006 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Hardly vaporware, they had a working demo unit in Miami last week. It's more that it's not quite in production yet. They also had a working CP180i which I promptly ordered from a vendor that the SH regional sales rep said would be getting many of the first units off the assembly line.

I always stop and play with the SH electronics on display in Miami. How often do you get to play with toys that are not even in production yet?

I loved SH's little 471 handheld VHF radio with AM/FM/Air/Wx/FRS capability. I told their developer it needed MP3 capability! Why not? It does everything else... I'd much rather listen to some MP3's during the next hurricane, rather than just FM radio and Wx radio. I also noted that a handheld VHF with DSC capability is of no use if the cradle is not waterproof. They recommended a PS1000 for my 15' Whalers...

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-01-2006 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Until you can buy it, it's vaporware.

You Miami folks are VERY LUCKY that you get the electronics
manufacturers to come to your show. All we get in NorCal
is a couple of retailers.

The HX-471A is nice radio. The precessor HX-470S was even better -- it
could transmit on the MURS freqs, which solved the ship to
spouse problem, but the FCC changed the rules, and MURS radios
can ONLY be MURS radios. Too bad.


Chuck

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-01-2006 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
HX-471S, not 471A.

Down side is that you can't attach it to your real antenna.
I think that's because it does FRS, and FRS radios can't
have external antennas.


Chuck

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-01-2006 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
BTW, for those of you who don't know what AIS is, it's a
system where vessels periodically (every minute or two)
digitally transmit their position, speed, course, name,
and some other stuff. If you have an AIS receiver, it
can display their position on your AIS-compatible GPS (there
aren't many. Yet.). Big ships have to AIS transmitters.

If you go out in fog and play bumper cars with container
ships, AIS is a good thing. Ferinstance, if you go out the
Golden Gate, it would be good. In Monterey, where there are
essentially no big boys, it wouldn't show much ever. The
good news is that AIS is really just some firmware in your
VHF and your GPS chart plotter, so in a few years it will be
zero cost.


Chuck

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-07-2006 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
From SH's website:

This device has not been approved by the FCC. This device may
not be sold or leased, or offered for sale or lease, until FCC
approval has been obtained.

Still vaporware.


Chuck

jimh posted 03-07-2006 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Removed duplicate thread on same topic.]
jimh posted 03-07-2006 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I tend to agree with Chuck's comment that the combination of a radio and a chartplotter with a large color display does not seem like something with a huge potential for cost savings. However, we have yet to see how the radio data is displayed on that big color screen. From the small graphic on the Standard Horizon website, it looks like the radio data is displayed across the top of the display. Look for the "88", probably a channel indicator. With a large display and the potential for high resolution graphics, they could build the instruction manual for the device right into the firmware!

jimh posted 03-07-2006 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Hmm...I just read the specifications over again, and it does not mention explicitly that the device has a GPS receiver. However, I have to assume that is what they mean when they say it has a "chart plotter."
ADKWhaler posted 03-08-2006 06:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for ADKWhaler  Send Email to ADKWhaler     
Generally, radio manufacturers start production (overseas) and then gets FCC approval. The lag is can be as much as 4 to 6 months. Once approved, the new units are shipped and are readily available. This happens all the time with ham radio equipment.

Keith

jimh posted 03-08-2006 09:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Equipment for use in the VHF Marine Radio Service in the U.S. has to be approved by the FCC. Equipment for use in the Amateur Radio Service does not.
Roarque posted 03-08-2006 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Roarque  Send Email to Roarque     
I don't see the advantage of GPS, Sonar and VHF in one unit. Putting a GPS Chartplotter and Sonar together, yes - so the colour screen doesn't need to be replicated and to save space on the horizontal surfaces of our centre consoles - but the VHF? Mine is mounted in the vertical panel beneath the helm but probably should be "mounted" in my Mustang Survival suit and bluetoothed (wireless) to a box/antenna that could be mounted elsewhere on board - certainly not on the horizontal surface of the CC.

My point is that the more technology you pack into one piece of hardware the more chance for obsolescence if one technology changes - and it will.

where2 posted 03-08-2006 12:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Connect a SH RAM+ microphone to the unit and you don't need to see anything about the radio data on "that big color screen". That's one of the beauties of SH's RAM+ microphone and why those with the SH PS1000 (or PS2000) VHF radio mount them out of sight.

As for "Chart Plotter", they mean it is a GPS receiver coupled to a chart plotter using C-Map NT+/MAX charts. Having touched the demo unit in Miami and discussed it with a regional sales rep for SH, it is everything you have assumed Jim.

The Target consumer for this device was the guy with the smaller boat and limited space for mounting a VHF + Sonar + Chartplotter. If you've got enough vacant real estate on the console, by all means go individual pieces and run your DSC wiring in the background. If you've got limited real estate and need a VHF/Sonar/Chartplotter then they've got a product for you. Having the VHF with DSC built into the chart plotter allows one to be hard wired to the other, and avoids the pitfalls and challenges of deciphering wire color codes and setting up output sentences on different pieces of equipment.

jimh posted 03-09-2006 01:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Combining a 25-watt transmitter and a sensitive SONAR receiver into a single package would be a challenge for a circuit designer. The 25-watt transmitter would have to be carefully shielded to keep from interfering with the wide-band video amplifiers used in a modern SONAR receiver.

My understanding of the Standard Horizon CPV 350 is the device DOES NOT contain a SONAR.

I like the concept that the radio and GPS are well integrated. This eliminates the problem of interconnecting the two. Another idea would be to include a Channel-70 receiver in the GPS. This would allow it to maintain a radio watch for DSC data, even without having a transmitter in the same unit.

Chuck Tribolet posted 03-09-2006 08:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
The CPV350 does not have built-in SONAR but can be connected
to a separate box (FF520) that can be stashed in the console.


Chuck

jimh posted 07-04-2006 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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bluewaterpirate posted 07-05-2006 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The CPV350 is available for sale.

http://www.byownerelectronics.com/store/home.php?cat=707&sort=orderby& sort_direction=0&page=2

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