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fisher801 posted 09-06-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)   Profile for fisher801   Send Email to fisher801  
I would appreciate any input and ideas on fabricating speaker mounts for a stereo system in a 17' Montauk. Recently I purchased from West Marine a Dual brand marine stereo package, which included CD-R, AM/FM radio, weatherband, and mp3 plug-in receiver and four 60-watt, 6.5" marine-grade speakers. (all under $200 !) I have a good idea on how & where to mount the receiver; however, I'm stumped on how to go about mounting the speakers without excessive cutting or drilling in my whaler's center console and hull. Besides there is very limited space in my console itself to add anything else. For instance, I have my compass, FF/GPS mount on top and in the front section are the steering wheel, odometer, hinged teak panel doors and the main teak access door. A teak access door is on the port console section. I believe this is the factory style console on this whaler, which is a 1977 model 17' Montauk. Thanks to all who respond.
jimh posted 09-06-2006 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If a Whaler were supposed to have loudspeakers for stereophonic reproduction of recorded music, Dick Fisher would have molded a place for them in the hull.
Newtauk1 posted 09-07-2006 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Try mounting the speakers on/in a cooler. Perhaps the cooler that is traditionally forward of the center console. Use the cooler for dry storage as well. I do not think Dick F. made a place for BBQ pits either , but I do believe many Whaler owners grill on their boats. Not sure of the moderators aversion is to "stereophonic reproduction of recorded music" but he sure like to use big words and makes it clear he does not like music/speakers on a boat. Yikes!! :-(
swist posted 09-07-2006 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Use headphones. Won't have to drill big holes somewhere and we won't have to hear your noise. And if you miss an important message on your VHF like a weather warning or a Mayday, or don't hear another boat's horn, hey at least you got to listen to the latest song by Doo-Dee-Bop-a-Diddly or whomever.
Newtauk1 posted 09-07-2006 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Do not use head phones. That is irresponsible advice! You may want to ask the same question at www.whalercentral.com. for more constructive input.
swist posted 09-07-2006 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
It's also facetious advice if you couldn't tell.
Robob2003 posted 09-07-2006 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Robob2003  Send Email to Robob2003     
I hope you do all of your boating in the S.F. area. Then I won't have to listen to the noise while I'm fishing:-)


Bob on Tampa Bay

jimh posted 09-07-2006 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Or read the dozens of prior discussions on this topic.

Do you think it is polite to visit a discussion area and solicit people to leave it to join another website? I find that sort of behavior rather rude.

jimh posted 09-07-2006 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The hull of small Boston Whaler boats, particularly the older classic boats, is a relatively light structure. The strength of the hull is derived from the Unibond construction. Cutting large voids into this structure is absolute stupidity.

Would anyone seriously consider cutting a 8- or 10-inch diameter circular hole in the hull of their classic Boston Whaler and installing something like an ant farm or a flowerpot? Of course not. People would say, "Man, you must be crazy to destroy the structural integrity of your hull with that crap."

So what is so damn important or special about a flimsy loudspeaker enclosure that makes people willing to destroy the structure of their boat--cut into its very backbone--to install them?

I enjoy fine audio reproduction as much as the next guy. I listen to recorded music often. It is just that I am not willing to cut away the strength of my boat in order to install what amounts to a pair of rather lousy loudspeakers.

The entire environment of a small outboard powered boat is really unsuited for a setting to listen to music or recorded audio. Most boats are quite noisy. The hull makes noise, the engine makes noise, the wind makes noise. Why you have to listen to your music in such a noisy environment escapes me.

Hey--if want advice on how to ruin the structure of your hull, follow newbie Newtauk 1 to his favorite website. But you are not going to get advice from me on how to destroy the structural integrity of your boat by cutting big holes into it so you can install some funky loudspeakers.

If you must listen to recorded music while boating, why not wear headphones? You can get a much better audio reproduction from modest headphones.

17 bodega posted 09-07-2006 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for 17 bodega  Send Email to 17 bodega     
Plenty of the post classics have sound systems...

The ambient sounds of the sea are nice, but most lakes are polluted with wretched music and noise..why not get some Jack Johnson or jazz to enhance the boating experience.. then at anchor... shut it all down and take it all in (provided you're not on a freshwater recreational lake)

The Public address system might get negative attention from the coast guard unless you are a licensed captain carrying passengers.

bigjohn1 posted 09-07-2006 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Why is that just about every time someone comes on here and asks stereo advice, they are treated like the anti-Christ?

Fisher801 - You have to realize that several prior discussions have come up on this topic and most of the time, the person gets more hard times than constructive advice so just deal with it. I also agree with Newtauk1 that using headphones on a boat is irresponsible advice - do not do this.

In your situation, I would add a 500watt amp just to make sure everyone can hear you (just kidding). Seriously, I would go with two speakers in water-resistant enclosures that you can plug and unplug from jacks in your console. Keep em up forward when in use and under the console when not in use and/or underway. Forget about cutting into your hull, bad idea...and since you don't want to add any more holes to your console, enclosures are the best option I feel.

I personally use a Sony boombox with adequate power output for my needs and fairly good sound quality. I love listning to music while offshore. My noise is of no concern to anyone else out there 20 miles offshore and the fish could care less. My catch ratio remains unchanged whethere or not I have loud tunes on - ROCK ON!

jimh posted 09-08-2006 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If you need advice on amplified loudspeakers, go find a website that concentrates on that topic.


The best way to listen to music on your boat is with an iPod and earphones with an open-air design.

Last time I checked there was no prohibition against wearing headphones while operating a boat. If there are regulations prohibiting this, please give us a citation and a pointer to them. HELLO--people with hearing loss can operate boats.

swist posted 09-08-2006 07:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
The issue with headphones is the same as the issue with the speakers. Why do something that makes it harder to hear something much more important, like a Mayday or weather alert on the VHF, or an engine alarm, or the horn of another boat or a navigational aid, or an alert from another passenger who just saw some danger that you didn't see. Why is it irresponsible to block your hearing with headphones, but not with loud noise (aka music?!) from a loudspeaker?

Call me an old geezer but I think a lot of (mostly young) people take the reponsibility of driving a boat much too casually (as they also tend to do with automobiles). I am against anything that makes it even more difficult to concentrate on the job of operating any kind of transport. (And while you're at it, lose the cellphones).


Harrumph!

bigjohn1 posted 09-08-2006 08:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
You gentlemen obviously don't fish and it appears those headphones work well [for your purposes] so good for you. We all use our boats a little differently it appears.

The following are a sampling of potential problems headphones can pose when fishing offshore in a small Boston Whaler boat:

1. Difficulty in hearing outrigger clips popping on a strike.
2. Difficulty in hearing reel clickers on a soft strike.
3. Difficulty in hearing the vhf.
4. Difficulty in distinguishing any audible alarms I may have set on my sonar/chatplotter.
5. Difficulty in hearing any sudden engine abnormalities.
6. The headphones have a tendency of dropping on the saltwater soaked deck and being ruined in the excitement of a strike, clearing lines, etc.

I can vouch for each of the above problems but have passed perhaps 25-30 audiograms at the doctors office during my adult life.

A small pair of speakers in water-resistant/proof enclosures placed up forward is a great way to enjoy music, a footbal game, or whatever [at a civil volume] while underway at slower speeds. The sound does not hinder your hearing near as much coming from up forward as headphones placed directly into your ears.

bluewaterpirate posted 09-08-2006 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Amen BigJohn ........

I find that off shore fish music preferences change from day to day. I have 2 speakers & have no difficulty hearing 2 VHF radios and all the fishing associated sounds.

By the way, I'm hearing impaired (wear hearing aids) & that impairment was caused by wearing amplified head sets during my 30 year Navy career. Head sets are one of the most prevelant causes of hearing loss.

Tom

Newtauk1 posted 09-08-2006 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
I never suggested cutting into the hull or center console.Mr Jim H did you actually read my post? I suggested cutting into a cooler in front of the center console. Also, listening to music at anchor in the middle of the ocean, lake, pond where ever can be safe and enjoyable.

My reference to another site was in effort to give the poster a way to get an answer. The responses from JimH and Swist were rude and unhelpful. I am not sure why someone would respond by voicing their preference on music and boats rather than offering constructive advice. Just because one is new to this site certainly does not make one new to boating, boat construction or the "Mouting[of] Audio Reproduction System for Amplified Public Address Loudspeaker System To Play Recorded Music in Stereophoic Mode" which I seriously do not think was fisher801's original topic title.

Why did the admin change the topic title? Does the admin often change posters submissions to embarass the "newbie" or is the admin trolling for a reaction?

I will certainly discontinue from posting any input or advice on this site from now on.

jimh posted 09-08-2006 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think the idea to mount the speakers in a cooler is a fantastic idea. You could put the whole apparatus into the cooler. It could even have its own 12-volt battery for the rig in there. Then you could haul it to the beach and have a party. It is really a good idea.

Can we have a picture of an installation in a cooler?

I have worn communication headsets (for radios, intercoms, or telephones) for years, usually always on my left ear. Guess what--more than ten decibel hearing loss in my left ear above about 2,000-Hz. But that was also due to chronic otitus media problems before I had a rhinoplasty about 15 years ago.

I think the urge to listen to music while boating is inversely proportional to age. For me, the sounds of boating are music.

Yes, headsets might be awkward while fishing. I don't fish. I am saving that for later years.

I usually do not boat alone. When with others on board I find that loud music distracts from other social interaction. If boating alone, maybe music provides some missing stimulus.

Buckda posted 09-08-2006 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
BigJohn -

Good advice on the enclosures that can be removed from the boat.

That way I can still attend great lakes area rendezvous and not be an outcast!

Dave

WT posted 09-08-2006 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Where do I mount a satelite dish on my 170 Montauk? I'd like to watch football while I boat and fish. :-)

Sorry, I'm with Jimh on this one. I hate music pollution from boats or cars. You know, the guys in the ski boats blaring their music that can be heard for miles. The kids at the malls with their car windows rolled down and the car is thumping down the road.

Warren

jimh posted 09-08-2006 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am glad to see that Newtauk1 is taking my suggesting and following his own advice to seek other websites for his participation. In a rather short career here he has managed to:

--recommend that participants leave the website and its discussion and go elsewhere;

--called veteran participants rude, including the moderator/publisher!

I don't find a single word of my advice to be rude. It is all rather good advice, if you ask me. It may be true that in 2006 if you want to sell a new boat you have to provide some facilities for placement of high-powered audio reproduction systems in the vessel, but it sure as hell was not true back in the days when classic Boston Whaler boats were designed.

There may be some understanding among boat buyers these days that drilling holes all over the hull for drink holders and loudspeakers is perfectly acceptable, but I rather think that Dick Fisher would have objected, and particularly so in the case of the Unibond Boston Whaler hulls. He molded in a few live wells and storage compartments.

I am also somewhat amazed at the notion that an audio system is a standard adjunct to a boat these days. Sure, the BOOZE-AND-CRUISE crowd has to have loud music available on board, but surely not the classic Boston Whaler owner!

What's the boating world coming to? Next someone will be asking for advice on how to install a DVD player, large screen plasma display, and surround sound on their SPORT 13.

Newtauk1 posted 09-08-2006 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
swist posted 09-09-2006 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Jimh, I suspect there are more BOOZE-and-CRUISE types in here than you think. Whaler design and marketing has clearly taken a turn to reach a broader segment of the boating public. The exclusive club of traditional Whaler owners, few of whom would have had stereos on their boats, has opened the door to all. Whether this is bad or good obviously depends on which side of the fence you are sitting.
mbking1 posted 09-09-2006 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
What is the "message" in posting a photo of a cooler full of food?
Newtauk1 posted 09-09-2006 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Swist,

"The exclusive club of traditional Whaler owners, few of whom would have had stereos on their boats,[[the whaler design and marketing]] has opened the door to all."
You are joking with that elitist statment! Please say you are.
(although the Admin here refers to himself as a Nazi so maybe not)What times the cross burning tonight Swist?
I suppose if someone wants to listen to music composed by Taki(Rentaro) or Nedbel (Oskar) on a 1979 Montauk while anchored miles away from anyone on a cool crisp autumn morning you would submitt they are in the "BOOZE-and-CRUISE types".
Since when did music and alcohol go hand and hand?
Poor fisher801 simply wants to enjoy music on his boat. Give him a break.

swist posted 09-09-2006 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
It's an exclusive club that USED to exist. It's hardly an elitist remark to make note of that.
chopbuster posted 09-09-2006 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
Hey jimh, screw this pretentious fop, block his ip addresses.
bigjohn1 posted 09-09-2006 07:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Yes it is Swist, you need to lighten up and step down off that high horse.

Only one without a pulse would miss the insinuation one is somehow younger and/or less refined if they listen to music on a boat. There is diversity of thought in life - and that aptly applies here.

KSM posted 09-09-2006 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for KSM  Send Email to KSM     
Now that I am relocating to Cuba, I could use one of those coolers with a stereo built in. Where can I get one?
davej14 posted 09-12-2006 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
KSM, your profile is NOT funny. Some day you will be mature and perhaps welcome to post here.
an86carrera posted 09-13-2006 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
Jeeze...here we go again. Could we get a fish and stereo interceptor program attached to this software? Maybe just a stern warning on this post a topic or reply page as to what to talk about.

And, remember NO stereos at rendezvous. Don't know what to about the fishing since it is sponsored by Boston Whaler.

Personally I think these are fun reads.


Len

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