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GreatBayNH posted 02-05-2008 07:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for GreatBayNH   Send Email to GreatBayNH  
E-mail sent to Standard Horizon's sales dept:

Q. Are the PHANTOM Series PS1000 and/or PHANTOM Series PS2000 being discontinued or phased out?

Reply from Standard Horizon's sales dept:
A. "Both the PS1000 and the PS2000 were discontinued last year."

====================================================
I replied with the following follow-up question:

Q. "What would the an alternate product of simliar form and function. There are many small center console boat owners that love the Phantom series solution."

Reply from Standard Horizon's sales dept:
A. "Unfortunately, we will not have a direct replacement. The Phantom series radio did not sell enough for us to keep in production."

jimh posted 02-05-2008 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Don't mourn for the PS-1000 or PS-2000. You can get more or less the same radio set up if you buy a GX1500S and a speaker microphone accessory. The cost will be about the same as the PS-2000. The PS-1000 was not a Class-D compliant Digital Selective Calling (DSC) radio. The PS-2000, the more expensive version, was Class-D compliant.

The U.S. Coast Guard recommends that all recreational boats be equipped with a VHF Marine Radio that is DSC Class-D compliant at a minimum. One of the requirements for Class-D compliance is the ease of operation of the radio. I do not think that the facilities provided by the remote microphone that was used with the PS-1000 and PS-2000 radio produced the best user experience in operating the radio for use with Digital Selective Calling. Programming of the call directory and other operating features of the radio is more easily done using the rotary channel selector control incorporated into the front panel of the GX1500S radio (as well as other Standard-Horizon Class-D DSC radios).

For more information on what is required for Class-D compliance, see my article in the REFERENCE section:

Digital Selective Calling: Class–D
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/dscClassD.html

You can find the Standard-Horizon GX1500S radio for sale at around $125. The extra microphone is available for about $100. Thus for about $225 you can get a nice Class-D radio with two microphones. I do agree that on a small boat having two microphones for one radio is a bit of overkill.

GreatBayNH posted 02-03-2008 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
[This post and the ones that follow were moved from another discussion to this one--jimh.]

Or you could install a Standard Horizon PS1000 or PS2000 "black box" VHF Radio and be able to remove the mic when not in use. Not to mention saving valuable cc real estate for other electronic, etc. I like the clean look as well.

http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2007%20Season%20Prep/ ?action=view¤t=ConsolewithRAMMic.jpg


GreatBayNH posted 02-03-2008 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Ok. pre-game beers kicking in. That's what y'all are talking about. D'oh! I placed my connector where the mic would not pull left or right when sitting on the mic holder.
newt posted 02-03-2008 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
GreatBay, How do you like the RAM mike? I was thinking about upgrading.
GreatBayNH posted 02-03-2008 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I love my RAM mic.
davej14 posted 02-04-2008 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
My installation IS the PS1000. I was originally a bit concerned about having the speaker in the mic but it works great. If I did it today I would go with the PS2000 because the pricing has come down. Be careful if you order the PS2000 because some of them do not include the RAM mic.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-04-2008 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
If you look, you will see that both the 1000 and 2000 models have been discontinued.

It appears they have incorporated the "remote command" mic on all of their new units.

See Standard Horizon's website.

GreatBayNH posted 02-04-2008 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
The PS1000 and PS2000 are discontinued. I have no problem with that. That helps bring down the price does it not?
GreatBayNH posted 02-04-2008 06:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
After further review I couldn't find anything on the Standard Horizon website that said the Phanton Series 1000 or 2000 are discontinued. They are still proudly displayed on their web site.

PHANTOM Series PS1000
http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts& ProdCatID=83&encProdID=8F0DDF35830D2FEDC834EB7833BE46B1&DivisionID=3& isArchived=0&currTab=tab_Description&currDiv=DescriptionDiv& ExpandID=0,Description

PHANTOM Series PS2000
http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts& ProdCatID=83&encProdID=A615A5AD19790E1AE4A163A5BBAFB2F7&DivisionID=3& isArchived=0&currTab=tab_Description&currDiv=DescriptionDiv& ExpandID=0,Description

GreatBayNH posted 02-04-2008 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I have an e-mail out to Standard Horizon to confirm or deny the phasing out/future of the Phantom series fixed mount VHF radios.

I too thought they were discontinued. I certainly hope not. Seems like a good product to keep around.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 02-04-2008 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Well, here is the official word from Standard Horizon's sales dept.

"Thank you for contacting Standard Horizon, we appreciate the opportunity to be of assistance to you.

Both the PS1000 and the PS2000 were discontinued last year.
"

I replied with the following follow-up question:

"What would the an alternate product of simliar form and function. There are many small center console boat owners that love the Phantom series solution."

cindalyn posted 02-04-2008 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for cindalyn  Send Email to cindalyn     
It was about two weeks ago that I bought my NEW PS 1000 on E-bay for $65 (Buy-It-Now). I jumped on it because it looked like a really good deal. There were two others for sale by another person for $68. Keep your eye on e-bay. I still haven't installed it because I started fooling around with the gas tank and have to get that done. I also haven't bought the GAM antenna but will if I don't have too much expense with the gas tank.
davej14 posted 02-05-2008 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
It looks like the new Standard Horizon line comes with a standard mic and the Ram+ is an optional feature. This combination will be quite costly because you will be paying for a speaker and display on the box that will serve no purpose if it is mounted in a remote location. Standard Horizon has no "black box" replacement for the PS1000 or PS2000. If you want one I guess now is the time to snap one up while they are still available in the retail chain.
jimh posted 02-05-2008 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The GX1500S provides better features than the PS-1000 and the PS-2000 and the cost is about the same. This is probably why the other models were phased out.
GreatBayNH posted 02-05-2008 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Final word from Standard Horizon Sales on future, or lack thereof, of the Phantom series when asked about possible replacement with similar form and function.

"Unfortunately, we will not have a direct replacement. The Phantom series radio did not sell enough for us to keep in production."

I like the snatching up one for cheap idea. I could use the upgrade to a PS-2000.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 02-05-2008 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I understand the trade off of space vs. functionality or ease of use of the functionality (RAM+ Mic vs. full front display). I'm not going too far off shore so my communication needs may not the same as those venturing into blue water. The PS2000 is a Quantum GX3500S at heart. The Quantum GX3500S, discontinued as well I think, is a very nice radio. Giving I can pick up a PS2000 for hundred(s) less than the Quantum GX3500S and get the same functionality albeit cumbersome functionality is some cases, I'm still game to go with the Phantom solution.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 02-05-2008 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
oops, meant to post on my new thread. My bad. sorry.
GreatBayNH posted 02-05-2008 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I did post on my new thread. I got confused as it looks like Jimh was doing some house cleaning between the time started my post and the time I clicked submit.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-05-2008 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
While Jim may be right, I like the PS 1000 since it was a class D radio, black box and had the ram mic. The new models still have the controls on the box and you have to buy a 2nd mic. To get the basic functionality of the $100 PS1000 now costs closer to $200 and you get more than you really need.

Many older Boston Whaler models don't have a good practical location for the radio. If you do a flush mount, often an external speaker is warranted.

The PS 1000, in my opinion, was great since you can mount it out of the weather (center console) or behind the instruments (Revenge) and have the mic mounted where you wanted with a speaker included. It only required 1 hole for mounting the mic connector.

The PS 2000 was good but more geared toward the commercial boater (hailer, fog horn features)

Just one opinion.

CBO

jimh posted 02-06-2008 12:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If the PS-1000 was a Class-D rated radio, and you get it for $100 with the remote mic, then it is (or was) a great deal.
Andrewdavis34 posted 02-06-2008 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Andrewdavis34  Send Email to Andrewdavis34     
Here's what I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Mounted at GX1500X quest inside the console and used an Ram Mic. I looked for weeks for a PS1000/2000 and settled on this setup. Actually much happier as I now have a full setup of back up radio controls if need be.

http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii291/Andrewdavis34/

Andrew

GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Andrew,
Can you turn off the internal speaker on the main unit so the sound only comes out the RAM+ Mic? I think it might be distracting to hear the radio inside the console.
GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Looking for confirmation...

If I own a Standard Horizon PS1000 with RAM+ Mic, and want to upgrade to the Standard Horizon PS2000, I only need purchase the Standard Horizon PS2000 WITHOUT the RAM+ Mic, since the RAM+ Mic is the same for both, correct?

-Seth

Andrewdavis34 posted 02-06-2008 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Andrewdavis34  Send Email to Andrewdavis34     
Seth,

Yes you can. All radio functions are controlled with the RAM mic. The volume control for the internal speaker is controlled with the dial on the Radio, not the RAM mic. So far I have been very happy with this setup

Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-06-2008 10:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
Seth-

If you do upgrade, I will take the PS1000 off your hands.

CBO

bluewaterpirate posted 02-06-2008 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
ICOM makes a rear mic version of their 504 Class D VHF. I have one installed on my boat. It comes with all the accessories including the cable to remote mount the mic. I added a Command Mic III to my installation. Terrific radio but more expensive than the PS 2000. The rear mic 504 replaced a Phantom PS1000.

Here is what it looks like installed.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22466823/file.jpg

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22466790/file.jpg

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22466812/file.jpg

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22466850/file.jpg

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22580052/file.jpg

Here's a video sound demonstration of the Command Mic III.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/show/external/354225/491483/ 22580052/file.jpg

There you go.

Tom

bluewaterpirate posted 02-06-2008 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Sorry ..... here's the right link to the video demo.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/album/354225/481996#imageID=22622069

Tom

cdnwhaler posted 02-06-2008 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     

The PS-1000 and the PS-2000 are Class D VHFs. I've enjoyed my 1000 for 2 years now and can hear it quite well when under way. If hearing is a challenge it comes pre-wired for an external speaker.
newt posted 02-06-2008 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Bluewater, I think if you removed the cup holder you might be able to fit one more electronic goodie on your dash!!
GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 03:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
PS-1000 is/was Class-D? I'll need a link to an article (paper or web based)to back this up. I have yet to read anything that says the PS 1000 is Class D. It would be if it could monitor Channel 70 at all times but I don't believe this to be the case.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Phil, you would like the PS 1000 without RAM+ mic?. That sounds very tempting. Of course I won't be getting into the boat until April. Is that too late? I'll keep that offer in mind. Thanks!

-Seth

Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-06-2008 07:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
You can view the manual via their website.

http://www.standardhorizon.com/?cmd=showMarineManuals&DivisionID=3

On page 31 of the manual it states the radio "is shipped from the factory programmed so CH 70 is scanned at all times. "

Seth - Yes. I am in no rush. Don't forget me.

CBO

jimh posted 02-06-2008 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
To qualify as a Class-D DSC radio you have to have a separate receiver dedicated to Channel-70, the DSC channel. I do not believe that just scanning it would qualify. If the single receiver locked onto another channel, it would not be able to scan to the DSC channel.
GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I won't forget you Phil.

I'm still wondering why the PS1000 manual doesn't have anywhere in print that it's Class-D compliant. I think they would want to spalsh that everywhere as a selling point. I think it monitors Channel 70, just not in the same way a Class D VHF radio does. Something about a second receiver in the unit. Can someone chime in here and help me out.

-Seth

GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
For the record, I took so long to type my above post, JimH has able to sneak in a post responding with exactly what I was thinking. Thanks Jimh.

GreatBayNH posted 02-06-2008 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
I have my Standard Horizon PS1000 DCS to GPS functionality setup to transit my position. That all works fine.
If I hook up the DCS functionality to receive a DCS caller's position on my GPS, how do I test this functionality? I want to make sure my GPS will properly display a troubled vessels location on my GPS.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-06-2008 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
If you have read Bluewater Pirates posts and seen his videos, he testrf the DSC function by using two radios.

Think you need to find someone who has a registered DSC radio.

Chuck Tribolet posted 02-07-2008 12:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
I'm sorry to see the SH black box radios go away. I think
they were a good solution on a small boat, and if my SH
Spectrum died, I'd have replaced it with one. Oh well.

GreatBayNH: You need to find a buddy who has a VHF radio that
can respond to a DSC Position Request call AND is properly
attached to his GPS. And have the manuals for both radios
handy.

GreatBayNH posted 02-07-2008 07:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Thanks guys. I had watched BluePirates video at work yesterday but managed to miss the part about the second radio setup. That's what happens when you're quickly trying to hide the fact that you're not working but surfing CW all day. D'oh!


-Seth

where2 posted 02-09-2008 12:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
The PS1000 (yeah, I own one still in a Box from West Marine's closeout of them @ $120) is not Class-D. The PS2000 was. I had a couple of great discussions with Jason Kennedy (VP) at Standard Horizon about the difference in functionality. Basically, the PS1000 is not capable of monitoring CH70 all the time, so it is NOT Class-D by ITU specifications. Darn good radio, but not equal to the PS2000 which is Class-D. He told me some time ago about them being discontinued. I bought the PS1000 just to have one to install some day.

I still see PS-2000's on the web for $150 with the Ram+ Mic included (your choice of color even: White or Black mic). Hard to go wrong at that price, and cheaper than a GX1500S or the GX3500S options. Still carries the Standard Horizon 3 year waterproof warranty: You drown it, They'll fix it, no problem.

where2 posted 02-09-2008 12:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
I take that back. The place that looked like it had a PS2000 for under $150 just left it on their website for amusement.
GreatBayNH posted 02-09-2008 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
There's one new in box (No Mic) for 108 USD on Amazon. Seller has 80 approval rating though. Risky?
AZdave posted 02-10-2008 11:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for AZdave  Send Email to AZdave     
There was a PS1000 sold on Ebay for about $100 this morning. It was described as being new and a microphone was included.
cdnwhaler posted 02-11-2008 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
I had it a?? backwards. Here's exerpts from an email I sent in July 2007 asking about the Class D - DSC PS1000 difference due to my confusion. And the response from the person I asked.


"My SH PS1000 manual says the following on the first page:
RTCM SC-101 DSC Distress call with your exact position_
DSC position request/send function and NMEA data input/output to connect to GPS Plotter
DSC Group call feature included Channel Name, GPS Time or GPS Position Repeating shown on the display."

Response:
"Peter ...
A true Class D VHF radio has two receivers one for DSC and one for normal operations. The 1000 is not a Class D radio, however, it can do all the same things a Class D radio can do via NMEA connectivity. It can both send and receive NMEA data to from your Garmin which is DSC capable.

Just don't get hung on the term Class D (that only means it has two receivers) it has nothing to do with the radio being DSC capable."

Apparently I'm still confused and suffering from memory loss.

P

jimh posted 02-11-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The differences between a Class-D rated radio and a RTCM SC-101 radio are detailed in my article on that exact subject. See the hyperlink in my reply above (the second article in the thread).

There is a distinct difference in the receiver requirements regarding monitoring of the DSC channel (CH-70), but there are also some other changes, including ease of operation and control layout.

I bought a Class-D radio last year--why not, it was not very expensive--but I am still waiting for another boater with which I can exchange DSC calls. I hope to drag a few of my boating buddies into the digital selective calling age by next season, the 2008 boating season.

The ability to do position polling is another feature which is not strictly in the DSC requirements. Standard-Horizon was more or less the pioneer of the remote position polling feature and added it to their radios. I think now that this has been incorporated into the NMEA-2000 data codes, however I am not certain of its status under the General Maritime Disaster and Safety at Sea (GMDSS) radio regulations. It may still be optional.

doyle007 posted 02-17-2008 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for doyle007  Send Email to doyle007     
I bought the PS2000 this past September. I love the fact that the black box portion goes under the console, and is out of the way. The Ram+ Mic works great, and I haven't had any problems with it getting sprayed occasionally.

I got mine off of eBay for $149, which included both the black box and the Ram+ Mic. I did not set up the DSC calling yet, but I plan to this year. I believe that Boat US has the registration for this on their site.

If anyone is in the Atlantic City area and has DSC, let me know, as I'd like to try it out like in Bluewater's video.

old sparks posted 02-20-2008 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for old sparks  Send Email to old sparks     
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old sparks posted 02-20-2008 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for old sparks  Send Email to old sparks     
Actually, there is an additional nuance when considering the purchase of Class 'D' VHF.

Some manufacturers design their radios to meet the minimum ITU spec 493 for Class 'D', and therefore the radio is capable of sending and receiving DSC calls in accordance with ITU 493.

However, there are test standards for Class 'D', namely IEC 62238 or EN 301 025. These standards have additional environmental and electrical tests that, IMHO, make these VHFs superior to VHFs that merely meet the ITU spec. Caveat emptor

http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/APCI-ICPA/en/APCI_SelectGeneric.asp?cat=ARE

JOC1212 posted 10-24-2008 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for JOC1212  Send Email to JOC1212     
Does anyone know where I can get a PS1000 or PS2000 completed with mic (don't care what color the mic is but prefer black)?

I'm trying to replace the Standard Horizon NOVA that just died. Of course if I change to the PS series I'm stuck with the RAM mic when the PS series uses the RAM+ mic.

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