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Ridge Runner posted 11-10-2008 04:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ridge Runner   Send Email to Ridge Runner  
I just saw this light in the innovative product department of the Florida Sportfishing magazine; it installs in a standard 1/2" NPT drain. I called Liquid Lite and they are working on one for Boston Whalers. Interesting idea, nice that you can move it from boat to boat. I was quoted $350 for the current model. http://www.tojoseabelow.com/default.html
KeyRat posted 11-10-2008 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for KeyRat  Send Email to KeyRat     
I saw an inflatable with something like this in Catalina last weekend. It looked more like a novelty and not something you could use for fishing, lobstering, etc. It reminded me of those neon lights you see under cars.

That being said, the one in the link you posted actually looks like it puts out a good amount of light.

Jefecinco posted 11-11-2008 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Or, a waterproof flashlight attached to a pole with hose clamps could get the job done. Then, if removing the garboard drain is desireable, it would be just as easy as before. Removing the drain is something I do after retreiving the boat at the ramp. I leave it out for drainge and ventilation until the next outing.

Butch

lizard posted 11-11-2008 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for lizard  Send Email to lizard     
If the transom light actually illuminates the way it shows on their website, I think I would be hard pressed NOT to buy one, for many reasons, including safety. Think, fouled prop at night in open water.

Thanks for the link Ridge Runner.

Brian7son posted 11-14-2008 10:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Ridge,

Very cool, simple lights. What boat are your putting them on? I have been doing my homework on underwater lights for a few months.

For my 295 CQ, I have decided on a pair of Ocean LED A-6 Amphibians. I am getting the blue ones. I wasn't excited about drilling holes completely through the lower part of the stern. I plan to mount the light on a piece of starbaord, cut out in the same shape as the light, then run the wire up the transom(on the exterior), alongside the depth finder wire. That way, I can surface mount it with small drill holes that don't penetrate all the way throught the hull. I cant wait to get them installed.

http://www.yachtlights.com/item--Ocean-LED-Amphibian--amphibian

dino54904 posted 11-14-2008 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for dino54904  Send Email to dino54904     
Hi Brian7son,

You will not be dissapointed with the Ocean LED's. I work for a major yacht builder and we use Ocean LED brand underwater lights on all the yachts we build. Great company and a great product. I like the way you plan to install them on your Whaler. I think I'll do the same on my Outrage.

Dino

Ridge Runner posted 11-14-2008 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
Brian,

I was thinking of use this for a 17' footer I have. I'm very interested in what your going to do the Ocean LED lights. I've been toying around with put lights thru the hull of my CQ 295. Please post some pic's when your done. To keep the marine growth off the lights are you just planning to clean them by hand every once in a while?

Brian7son posted 11-17-2008 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Ridge,

I keep my boat on a lift, so I wont have any issues with growth. I plan on getting the lights within the next month or so and installing them. I will send pics to you when I get it done.

When I had replaced my generator a few months back, I had my water heater removed. I hadn't turned on the water heater in almost 3 years and it was getting rusty and added weight that I didnt need. So, I already have a wire under the deck that I can splice the lights onto and turn them on from the breaker board in the cabin.

Also, the price has gone down significantly on them. If you google them and check different sites you can find deals. The local marine store wanted 478.00 each. I found them on line for $315.00 each and I'm still looking for lower prices. A friend of mine in the marine underwater light business said that OceanLED was going to be reducing prices soon.

Another thought I had regarding the Starboard was to use a planer and shave the lower part (the part that will be towards on the bottom of the light) so that it's tapered towards the bottom. That way, the lights will be mounted on a slight downward angle. They will still light up the wake while cruising at night, but also attract more fish when anhcored fishing at night.

Ridge Runner posted 11-17-2008 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I like the idea of having them at a down angle. I‘m about to remove the hot-water heater also, same thing I haven’t had anybody use it and it just sits there. Are you going to flush the hot water lines and just cap the hoses? I was looking at my plumping schematics and it seems like I might get back flow from the cold water lines if I don’t add shut-off valves. I will be nice to get that space back. I don’t have a genset so this will really open up the bilge. What I have done is lag bolted down large crates and use them for storing water hoses, lines and my AC dock power cords. http://www.filmtools.com/milkcrateb03.html
Brian7son posted 11-17-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Ridge,

The mechanic that removed and installed the new genset had removed the water heater for me. I think that he had just capped off the lines, but not sure. He's a competent guy and does a lot of larger boats, bigger than my CQ. I haven't had any issues with water since he did it.

My bilge was cramped quarters with the 5KW Genset, the water heater and A/C filter and lines. It's definitely more accessible without the water heater, but not much room to add crates. I like the crate idea a lot. I may add one. You know how it is, you can never have enough storage space.

Brian

Brian7son posted 11-20-2008 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
I just got my OceanLED A-6's in the mail. I hooked them up to a car battery during the daytime to see how bright they were. My retinas are still burning. Yeah, they should definitely do the trick.

I cant wait to get them installed.

Ridge Runner posted 11-21-2008 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
Waiting for the pic's - :)
Brian7son posted 11-21-2008 11:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Will have them installed Monday or Tuesday. Boat is on a lift and wind blowing out of the NW which makes it sloppy at my dock. I need to get in my Montauk and pull it behind the Conquest on the lift to do it. Weather next week will be nice.

I will have pics for you, especially night shots to see how far behind the transom the lights can penetrate through the water.

Came up with different idea RE wiring. Plan to connect wire on each light to the courtesy light under the transom on the corresponding side. That will be simple and combined the only draw 1 amp.

Ridge Runner posted 11-21-2008 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I replaced my all my cockpit lights with blue LED lighting. If you have your stereo speakers mounted in the cockpit facing the stern on the panel that supports the rod holders (the factory location)it’s easy to run a wire all the way to the helm console electrical panel and use an unused rocker switch for your new underwater lights. Also you can easily run the wire up the hard top’s support arm into the electrical panel on the hardtop and use the any open accessory switch up there. Just take out the starboard speaker and you have great access into the starboard side of the helm and then unscrew the main helm electrical panel and the whole front console is open, Whaler left a good amount of play in the panel’s wiring harness.
Brian7son posted 11-24-2008 10:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
I also replaced my cockpit lights with blue LED lights about 2 weeks ago. So, it's not just me pimping my ride here. They really look great at night.
Brian7son posted 11-25-2008 02:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Underwater lights are installed. Here are photos that I just took in the middle of the afternoon while boat is on the lift. One light is mounted on either side of the transom just inside the trim tabs.

I will get some night shots later and post them.

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Brian7son/?action=view& current=LEDS.jpg

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Brian7son/?action=view& current=att4562122.jpg

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Brian7son/?action=view& current=att4562552.jpg

Brian7son posted 11-26-2008 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Well, I was a "little" disappointed. They still look cool, but I thought that they would light up an area much farther back in the water. I will admit, my expectations were probably a little lofty. However, the river was very murky last night. Maybe they will do better in clean water. It’s really hard to get a good grasp of how much light they put out in these pictures. I took them with my cell phone (poor quality).

Basically, the lights are 6 inches wide. In the murky water, they throw out a bright beam about 5 feet back from the transom, after that the light is scattered. If you are standing on the transom looking off the back of the boat, there is about an 9 foot semi-circle behind the boat that is lit up. However, only the 1st 4ft behind the lights is clearly lit. My cell phone camera didn’t have the capability to show the diffuse light, it only picked up the beams.

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Brian7son/?action=view& current=ATT496795.jpg

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/Brian7son/?action=view& current=att4967922.jpg

Ridge Runner posted 11-29-2008 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
Brian - Do you think they will raising any bait fish?
Brian7son posted 12-01-2008 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
I think they sure will.
Brian7son posted 01-05-2009 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Update to all on OceanLED A-6 Amphibian LED undewater lights. They both malfunctioned about 3 weeks after installation. Vendor (Turtle Marine.com) refused return because the lights had been installed.

They directed me to call Ocean LED directly. I called them 2 weeks ago and gave them my office and cell phone numbers. I have had no return call from them. The charge for the lights is currently being disputed by my credit card company.

I would stay away from the Ocean LED A-6 Amphibians!

Ridge Runner posted 01-05-2009 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
Brian,
Sorry to here about the lighting issues. I know you put a lot of thought and work into installing them. Any idea why they failed?
Ridge Runner posted 01-05-2009 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
OceanLED does have a forum on THT, you should post your issue there and see what response you get. http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=92
Brian7son posted 01-05-2009 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
Ridge,

I have no idea why they failed. All of the wiring is fine, no frayed areas. All connections are good. I can only guess that the seals on the units were bad and water gradually got into them.

Prior to buying them, I couldnt find any written reviews on the A-6 Amphibians. Ocean LED makes many other lights which are much more expensive than the A-6. I'm guessing that these lower end lights were just poorly constructed.

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