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benniebgh posted 05-04-2009 02:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for benniebgh   Send Email to benniebgh  
I just purchased [a Yamaha Speed and Fuel Meter]. I am trying to wire into boat. The wiring diagram with the unit does not really show or tell you what wire to connect to on the boat and engine. Does anyone have a complete wiring diagram or know what wire to connect.

Regards
Benniebgh

number9 posted 05-04-2009 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for number9  Send Email to number9     
You might want to give the part number of indicator, year/mfg. date and model of motor. Is it the Command Link digital or the older LCD conventional gauge?
jimh posted 05-04-2009 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I see some things have not changed. When I owned a Yamaha motor I found that the dealer and Yamaha were very uncooperative in regard to supplying literature related to anything about the motor other than the owner's manual. They would not sell me a service manual, and told me they were for dealers-only. They would not sell me special tools need to perform service. They would barely sell me parts.

If you bought the instrumentation at a dealer as a new retail item, they should have provided you with installation instructions that will allow you to install it. Go back to the dealer and ask them for the missing literature.

If you bought it second hand from someone, I guess you'll have to beg or borrow the literature needed.

Yamaha has gotten better about their literature, and some of it is now available for viewing-only (no printing) via their website.

SC Joe posted 05-04-2009 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
As asked above..(and ignoring the non informative comments about Yamaha's poor custsomer service) is it Command Link or the stand alone Digital guage with in line fuel meter?

Let me know--I have some yamaha .pdf's that I can send you.

SC Joe posted 05-04-2009 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
benniebgh-Check your email. I sent you the documentation for both the older style separate F/M gauge, and the command link stuff.

Hope that helps.

Phil T posted 05-04-2009 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     

Typically, gauges and rigging accessory parts do not include instructions. The installation instructions are found in the rigging guide for that specific engine model and production year.

My local dealer will sell me parts till I am blue in the face and spends as much time as I need explaining what is needed to be done for the install.

Talk to a Yamaha parts desk staff member to verify the gauge model (there are several gauges that look identical but only work on certain models/years) is appropriate for your engine and rigging and ask them to show you the rigging guide to learn the proper wiring and other installation information.

jimh posted 05-04-2009 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Where do you find "a Yamaha parts desk staff member"?

The Yamaha Speed and Fuel Meter apparently comes with instructions, as I infer from the comment that "[the] wiring diagram with the unit..." However, it sounds like what is missing is the rest of the wiring diagram to connect to it.

In my Yamaha owner's manual there was a very tiny electrical schematic. I made a copy of it with a 2X blow-up so I could see it. It did give details about the motor wiring.

My experience with motors and dealers: the amount of information you get depends on the type of dealer. If the dealer thinks of you as a source of money for his service department, you don't get much help. If the dealer thinks of you as building a long term relationship as a customer, he helps you out with information like this.

SC JOE: How come you have this information and benniebgh can't get it? What's your secret back channel source? Is that the only way to get the information?

Phil T posted 05-04-2009 10:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
You would find a Yamaha parts staff member in or at the Parts department of an authorized Yamaha outboard engine service establishment.

My statement as to instructions not being included comes from the actual experience from ordering a Yamaha gauge, various wiring harnesses, rigging hose, fuel filter, carburetor rebuild kits and a trim level sensor, each item received came inside a box or bag with a Yamaha branded label. Each and every item cited above was received with no instructions.

(Aside to Jim H - In 2005 I purchased fuel filters for the first time to be used in my newly acquired 2003 Yamaha F115, the Parts guy asked if this was a new motor for me. In telling him about my boat purchase he stepped away for a moment and returned holding a service manual and asked..."Need one of these?)

jimh posted 05-04-2009 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Phil--Your dealer must look at you as a prospect for a long term relationship. The goofy Yamaha dealers I was forced to deal with were non-professional. Their behavior turned me off on Yamaha motors. The motors themselves were very nice products, and they're still running perfectly. The dealer network around my area was a joke at that time. Actually it is better now because they turned my favorite Mercury dealer--who had been selling Mercury for 50 years--into a Yamaha dealer. He now gives excellent support and service to his Yamaha customers.

I feel somewhat responsible for my Mercury dealer becoming a Yamaha dealer, because I got him to do all the service work on my Yamaha motors. He would buy the parts retail from one of the Yamaha dealers and then do the work for me with the OEM parts. When I told him there were absolutely no decent Yamaha dealers around that I could trust, and he had to work on my Yamaha motors for me, he ended up taking on Yamaha as a motor line. But I don't think he gives away service manuals. Watch out, that dealer has something in mind for you, like a bigger, more expensive boat in the future.

TransAm posted 05-05-2009 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for TransAm  Send Email to TransAm     
I think just about every outboard engine manufacturer has a goofy dealer or two. Luckily, there are 3 Yamaha dealers in my immediate area and on top of that, I have a "mobile" certified Yamaha master tech that comes to my boat when I need him. The manuals, any of them (service, rigging, tune-up, etc.), are available, if not from your local service shop, at any number of online retailers. I recently down-loaded Yamaha factory service manuals covering all outboard motors for my model year for $5.00. And, although I do not agree with the practice of not selling service manuals to the general public, this is not a foreign concept to engine manufacturers of all kinds. Ever try to purchase a factory service manual-the ones used at your dealer-for your Chevy? I drove mostly Pontiac's growing up and luckily, my uncle was a Pontiac regional parts dept manager. That was the only way to get your hands on a Pontiac factory service manual.
SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Jimh-I got the the .pdf's that I sent benniebgh from Andy at Shipyard Island Marine.

Contrary to your observations, Andy "made no money" off of me; I asked him if he had any info and almost immediately sent them to me. I didn't even purchase the gauge from him.

jimh posted 05-05-2009 04:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Joe--I made no observation about Andy. I just told you my actual experiences with my Yamaha dealer, not Andy. It is not fair that you try to impute something I said as being a knock on Andy.

These days dealers are glad to have every customer, and I image those yahoos that told me the Yamaha literature was not for customers are probably about to go out of business. Which is where they belong.

SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Jimh-I made no infernce that you intended that for Andy. I merely requoted your words to show that he made no money on me, and that it wasn't given to me for that benefit.
jimh posted 05-05-2009 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Joe--I made no observation about Andy. You can't quote me about what I said about Andy because I said nothing about Andy. But you make a statement as if I did. That is completely unfair.

However, I would not be surprised to find that most Yamaha dealers are not like Andy. Most of the people listed around my area by Yamaha as dealers were really selling ski-doo's or personal water craft, and they didn't know an outboard from an inboard.

jimh posted 05-05-2009 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Joe--The writer implies, the reader infers. Your article implied I had said something about Andy, which I did not.
SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 05:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
lol..(un)necessary grammar corrections aside (unless this site has also become a grammatical information source as well), I implied nor meant any such thing. You, as stated, inferred it.

[ASIDE to Joe; The meaning of words is not grammar.--jimh]

Would this be similar to your implying I had some back door source of secret information from Yamaha, when with a modicum of research, anyone could find this information? Is that how you implied it, or was that the intended meaning?

Perhaps this is one of those (many) times when you are trying a bit too hard to find a problem where there is none.

and really...grammar corrections? Is that what it has come down to--on a site with no edit button?

jimh posted 05-05-2009 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Joe--Your comments are even more inaccurate, as I never used the words "made no money", another invention of yours. So first you invent a quote for me and then associate it with Andy. Both inaccurate.

In regard to dealers, my comments were not even specific to Yamaha dealers. So you're stretching your literary license to the limit.

If the documents this fellow needs are available from Yamaha could you just give the URI to where he can get them? That would be a lot simpler than trying to joust with me about my report on Yamaha dealers in my area in 2000.

If the documents this fellow needs are available from any dealer, he just needs to follow the advice I gave him already. Let me quote myself:

"If you bought the instrumentation at a dealer as a new retail item, they should have provided you with installation instructions that will allow you to install it. Go back to the dealer and ask them for the missing literature."

If SC Joe's representation is correct, that should be all that is needed.

Sorry Joe, but your shot at me missed, your argument was sloppy and your aim was bad. You hit your own foot.

SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Jim--There is no argument. I never intended to start one; apparently you did, and apparently still do. I missed nothing and made no "shot" at you--aside from the shot about your pointless grammatical correction (which I will take full credit for), therefore I couldn't have "hit my own foot" with anything.

You often display an overly defensive and argumentative personna, which I'm not sure I understand.

To clarify:

I never said you attributed anything to Andy, and I think this is the third time I have stated that fact. I'm not sure why you aren't getting that. But since you are intent on belaboring this, let's recap...

You said:

"If the dealer thinks of you as a source of money for his service department, you don't get much help. If the dealer thinks of you as building a long term relationship as a customer, he helps you out with information like this."<<

Then you followed that with an insinuation that I may have some secret source to this info I said I sent to the original poster:

"SC JOE: How come you have this information and benniebgh can't get it? What's your secret back channel source? Is that the only way to get the information?"

To that, I replied:

"Jimh-I got the the .pdf's that I sent benniebgh from Andy at Shipyard Island Marine.

Contrary to your observations, Andy "made no money" off of me; I asked him if he had any info and almost immediately sent them to me. I didn't even purchase the gauge from him."

Was it not your observation that "If the dealer thinks of you as a source of money for his service department, you don't get much help."?? What I recieved from Andy, contrary to your observations with other dealers, was that he didn't work that way, and helped me, with no ulterior motive. That's what I stated, and meant. Why you have a problem with that statement and continue to belabor your non-point, I can't comprehend.

As for supplying a link to the info, it took me about 3 seconds to find at least 10 posts to the answers the original poster had here:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/search.php?searchid=284357

Are we done yet?

jimh posted 05-05-2009 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Joe--your link did not lead me to a download of the PDF you have. Just give me the link where you can get the literature from Yamaha this fellow needs, and you will have made your point.

I made the observation that this fellow's situation was like mine several years ago--I could not get literature from Yamaha then and apparently he can't either now. That is why I said, "Some things never change...."

Your claim is that it is easy to get literature from Yamaha, so I just ask you to give me the link where I can get the instructions for installing this gauge.

The fact that this thread was started is more or less proof that it apparently is not easy to get literature from Yamaha. If Joe is to be believed, a posting like this is dumb because you can get the literature easily. Yet Joe's own solution is to create a back channel for distributing the literature via email. Joe has made my point for me. The literature must not be easy to get because otherwise why would you have to post a request to get the literature and have it mailed to you by someone who got it via a back channel from his dealer?

SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Since we are apparently intent on splitting hairs here..I think you missed the point, unless that point changed from the subject of the topic, which I know you frown upon without stating a new topic.

The original poster never asked where to download the information. He asked Does anyone have a complete wiring diagram or know what wire to connect.

I did, and I sent him the information he requested. Additionally, I later provided a search link with 4 pages of posts that are related to the information he requested.

Perhaps it is available for download [/i]somewhere[/i]; I really have no idea. Practically, I have no need to know where to get the documentation online; I already had it and someone had emailed it to me originally.


jimh posted 05-05-2009 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Some things never change.
SC Joe posted 05-05-2009 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Jim..rereading your post(s), I feel I must comment once again as I noticed that you state that I say many things that I never did, and go so far as to incorrectly assign me a 'position' on the subject.

Your claim is that it is easy to get literature from Yamaha, so I just ask you to give me the link where I can get the instructions for installing this gauge.

I never claimed the info was either easy or hard to get. About as close to that I got was: and ignoring the non informative comments about Yamaha's poor customer service;

Again, adhering to your "information only" requested structure, I didn't see the need in addressing any of your points, including: They would barely sell me parts.
As previously stated, I was able to get the info I needed from a dealer (not even my selling dealer) without any fuss.

And I've never known anyone (other than you, I guess) to have problems just purchasing parts from Yamaha.

The fact that this thread was started is more or less proof that it apparently is not easy to get literature from Yamaha.

Is it? benniebgh [understandably] hasn't returned to the thread to tell of his prior efforts to get any info from Yamaha or his dealer. Maybe he never tried Yamaha (or his dealer) at all, and asked here first? We don't know.

If Joe is to be believed, a posting like this is dumb because you can get the literature easily.

Interesting. I'm not sure I ever said or implied that. Where did I state that?

Yet Joe's own solution is to create a back channel for distributing the literature via email. Joe has made my point for me. The literature must not be easy to get because otherwise why would you have to post a request to get the literature and have it mailed to you by someone who got it via a back channel from his dealer?

Again, I don't know how difficult the information is to get. I know I never asked my dealer or Yamaha for it. I asked one dealer, and they gave it to me. Seemed to me at least, pretty easy to get, really.

I do, however, often wonder how much bias you present in your summarizations. You stated early on that Their behavior turned me off on Yamaha motors. You even created an entire motive by me (above) defending Yamaha that I never said. Had this been an E-TEC engine that the poster needed info for, I wonder at what your attitude had been when you entered the thread?

Some things never change. Indeed.

jimh posted 05-06-2009 01:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am still curious where Yamaha customers are supposed to get the information about Yamaha electrical wiring. One of the reasons the article in the Reference section about color code practices is so sketchy on Yamaha is I could never find any information about their wiring. Nothing that has gone on in this thread has in any way shown me that there is literature about Yamaha available on-line from Yamaha.

By the way, Joe, why don't you send me all the literature you have about Yamaha electricals and I will be glad to host it here for download. I will watch for it in my email.

SC Joe posted 05-06-2009 08:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Jimh--Will do. it's on it's way.

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