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LarrySherman posted 02-26-2001 11:19 PM ET (US)   Profile for LarrySherman   Send Email to LarrySherman  
I was wondering if anyone in the LI sound area would be interested in an NYC tour or tour around LI this summer.
dgp posted 02-27-2001 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
It would be awesome to do a Montauk owners rally at Montauk Point some year. I revisted there this past December, the codfish 'n chips at the Shagwong Bar is out of this world. Don
dgp posted 02-27-2001 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
that should read "I re-visited...."
Peter posted 02-27-2001 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I'm interested. Did a trip down to see the Lady about six years ago on a crystal clear day in July. Have a picture of the 18 Outrage in front of the World Trade Center. I've been wanting to do it again.

I know Dan who contributes to this forum and calls the Huntington area home port expressed some interest in going to NYC several months ago.

Macman posted 02-27-2001 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I live in Maine and defintely would be intersted in doing something like this. Should be about a 6 hour tow from here.
LarrySherman posted 02-28-2001 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Thats great, and I think July would be a good time. We could meet at execution rock, and head down nt the morning. Perhaps lunch in the city...

The Montauk trip sounds fun too, I'll go if you allow the odd Outrage...

Peter posted 03-01-2001 08:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Where is execution rock?
LarrySherman posted 03-01-2001 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
At the Western mouth of LI sound, 40N55 73W43. See http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/execution.htm
and
http://www.425dxn.org/dc3mf/execut.html
hardensheetmetal posted 03-02-2001 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
I would definately be interested in meeting up. I am up the Hudson,it takes me about an hour an a half to get to Hells gate, I would imagine Execution Rock is about another 15 to 20 mins. Let me know.

Dan

Peter posted 03-03-2001 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Roughly, for planning purposes it looks like it could be more like at least an hour trip along the East River between Hell's Gate and Execution Rock which is east of the Throg's Neck bridge. It would almost seem more convenient for you if an LI flotilla met up with a Hudson River flotilla at the Lady, unless that is, you're interested in trolling for the "East River Trout".
sorcerer posted 03-03-2001 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for sorcerer    
This might be the place to meet and allow some folks with trailerd boats to join up!

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/forestry/parks/liberty.htm

tbirdsey posted 03-03-2001 09:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
I'm interested - would probably trailer partway down the Hudson from Albany, perhaps Newburg area, join up with a Hudson River flotilla?, and head for the Lady or wherever. Provided or course that this wouldn't conflict with the timing of second annual N/C Rendezvous -- decisions, decisions. Jimh, how about N/C 2001, any dates in mind yet??
Keith Silliman posted 03-03-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Keith Silliman    
Real interested if we do it this Spring-- once the junk has cleared out of the river. I would probably trailer my Montauk partway down from Albany-- don't think my knees could take that much pounding.

Keith

hardensheetmetal posted 03-03-2001 11:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Newburgh is a good halfway point, they just rebuilt their launching ramp. Although I've never used it, it looks nice, it gets real busy on weekends though. Lock your trucks-not the nicest of neighborhoods.

Pete-

Your right, it would make more sense if we were all going to meet at the Statue, forus heading down from the north to meet you there. I can do without the trip through Hell's Gate and the East River, when I was younger (i.e. stupider) I did this trip with a couple of friends in a 13, we almost got swamped in the Harlem River from the Circle Line's wake.

Dan

tbirdsey posted 03-04-2001 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Newburgh to the city is a great ride, although the last time I did it was to see the origianl tall ships in '76 when I had the Nauset. Sounds like a plan.
Dan posted 03-04-2001 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Hi all. I'm in Huntington, Long Island and would be interested in either trip -- NYC or Montauk. Several people have told me that traveling to NYC, through Hells Gate, and heavy boat traffic aren't recommended in a 17' boat. I've also been told that timing the tides through Hells Gate is critical. But what the heck, I can't stay tied up to a dock all day.
LarrySherman posted 03-05-2001 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
This tour is really shaping up! I guess the LI sound people could meet a Exection rock, and then go through Hell's Gate together. We could then meet up with the Hudson River contingent by taking the Harlem River over to the Hudson. In Fort Lee, there is a ramp in Palasades Interstate State Park, which begins just under the GW Bridge, and runs some miles up the Jersy Side of the Hudson.
Check http://www.hrfanj.org/ramps.htm .

From there, down the Hudson to the Lady, and the big Rendevous!

JACKLAV posted 03-09-2001 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for JACKLAV  Send Email to JACKLAV     
LARRY I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DISTANCE THAT WE WOULD BE TRAVELING FROM EXECTION ROCK TO THE LADY.I WILL BE TRAILING MY BOAT FROM WEST NEWBURY MA.AND LAUNCHING SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF RIVERSIDE CN.AND WOULD BE PILOTING FROM THERE,MY QUESTION IS COULD YOU ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF FUEL THIS TRIP WOULD USE? MY MONTAUK IS POWERED BY A 90 EVINRUDE.
LarrySherman posted 03-09-2001 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
I think the round trip should be about 70 miles. When my boat gets in the water, and my GPS arrives, I plan to take the trip myself and plot the whole thing. Probably sometime in May. I'll tabulate the waypoints and post them here, or email to anyone who needs them. I'm also trying to find someone who will take pictures of us from Battery Park, se we can get the boats together (and individually) with the Lady in the background.

This should give us enough info to properly plan the trip. I know, and agree with, the general policy of keeping planning fairly loose, but crusing through hells gate->harlem->hudson->east river proably mandates some form of due diligance.

Larry

Peter posted 03-09-2001 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
From Stamford to Execution Rock is approximately 14 to 15 miles as the gull flies. Unfortunately, my charts are on the boat. However, a quick determination with the GPS tells me that from Execution Rock to the Lady is approximately 21 miles as the gull flies. However, the course zigs and zags along the East River, which I would safely over estimate adds another 10 miles one way. This puts the one way total with some margin of error at about 30 miles. So from Execution Rock to the Lady and back will require enough fuel for 60 miles. Let's figure that at cruise speeds you get 3 miles per gallon, you'll need 10 gallons for the trip down and 10 for the trip back to Execution (doesn't take river currents into account but they should be in our favor on the way down and against on the way back). Estimate that fuel usage to and from Riverside to Execution will be another 10 gallons. So 30 gallons should more than do it. Years ago before GPS, I did the trip from Stamford to the Lady and back (estimate about 90 miles round trip) in an 18 Outrage with a 150 Johnson (cross-flow technology) on about 35 gallons. The Montauk should be more fuel efficient.


(This figuring does not account for river current but the current should be in our favor going down and against us on the way out.)

JACKLAV posted 03-10-2001 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JACKLAV  Send Email to JACKLAV     
PETER, THANKS FOR THE INFO ON FUEL,I SHOULD BE FINE. PRESENTLY I HAVE A 24GAL+3-6GAL TANKS ON BOARD.I MOST LIKELY WILL NOT NEED THAT MUCH FUEL HOWEVER SOMEONE ALONG WITH US MAY.I'LL HAVE THEM ABOARD JUST IN CASE.JACKLAV
Peter posted 03-10-2001 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Jaclav,

You should certainly have an adequate reserve with that much fuel on board. I think there are fuel docks on the way.

ffk posted 03-25-2001 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for ffk  Send Email to ffk     
Larry, I would certainly be interested in any trips you are attempting to put together. I am located on the north shore of LI, near Shoreham. I am in the process of completing a total restoration on my '72 Outrage 21'and will have it in the water around June. I am offering my assistance in any way to help the plans along.

Regards, Frank

Peter posted 03-25-2001 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Ffk,

Welcome. There hasn't been too much discussion on a date yet but I have done the trip before and I think that mid July is an ideal time because there is plenty of daylight and the temps out on the water are reasonably warm. Just checking a calendar, for all who are interested, the weekend dates between mid June and mid July are as follows 16, 17, 23, 24, 30, 1, 7, 8, 14, 15, 21, 22.

LarrySherman posted 03-26-2001 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Frank, Thanks for the offer! I agree with Peter, mid July is proably a great time to go. I am currently working on just getting my boat into the water. Once she is in, and closer to home (about a 100 mi away now), I will focus more on the trip.

If anyone knows a place where we can put ashore down there, that would be a huge help. I am afraid it will be a pure there and back trip unless we can find one.

Larry

Jurisproodenz posted 03-28-2001 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jurisproodenz  Send Email to Jurisproodenz     
There are a few marinas on the NJ side near the Lady. One (Liberty Harbour I believe) has a pretty decent restaurant with transient space. If someone were to call and arrange for a mass visitation, I am sure that it could be arranged. As to Hell's gate to the Lady .... take the east side of Roosevelt Island: the west passage can develop standing waves of 4 or 5 feet. No kidding -- I've been through there on my old Bertram 33 and been very thankful of 22,000 pounds of bulk. On a earlier boat (a Mako 21) I shipped green water over the bow. The eastern side is MUCH calmer. I've spent a fair deal of time cruising this area.

Hells Gate can be a handful too, depending on tide and wakes from commercial vessels and underpowered pleasure craft.

While I now live in Boston, I'd like to come too, pending delivery of a Outrage 26 (haggling over price).

Hope it comes off.

LarrySherman posted 04-23-2001 05:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Well, it looks like we have a lunch stop for our trip. I've contacted Libery Landing Marina, and they seem pretty excited to have us come visit. I told them we are shooting for mid July, and expect to be about 10 boats in number (when last I counted).

In order to firm up a group quote from him (nothing is free in NYC), I need to get a list of boats, and thier sizes, for those who are very sure they plan to attend.

Please email me (sherman@gcm.com) with the subject "LIBERTY" in your message. Include boat size, and if possible, the number of people in your party. They have not asked for either piece of info, but I figure they will get around to it soon enough.

Also, please let me know if there are and special requirements for the facility, and I will try to get them addressed.

The website fir the marina is:
http://www.libertylandingmarina.com

LarrySherman posted 04-23-2001 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Opps, email is shermal@gcm.com
LarrySherman posted 04-24-2001 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
I have already had 1 request to schedule the trip for the latter half of July. I don't see a problem here, but am now concerned that other scheduel conflicts will prevent maximum attandance. Please include in your email to me as per the post above, your prefered dates for the trip. I will post the results and then we can pick the date together. Maybe we end up with two trips?
Peter posted 04-25-2001 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry,

I'm wondering whether someone should look at the tide charts to determine what date happens to have the best tidal conditions. Some of the prospective attendees may be running smaller Whalers and may be concerned with the Hell's Gate currents.

LarrySherman posted 04-25-2001 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Yup, I agree, and am trying to get it done. I've done some forum searches on the web, and it seems like most people time it so that they are going through the gate about 1-2 hours into the ebb, as measured at the Battery, and about 1-2 hours into the flood going back. Most posts seem to indicate that commercial traffic, not sea state, is the big problem. I do not have a Nautical Almanac, so if anyone has the tide ino for the last few weekends in July, posting them would be great.
triblet posted 04-25-2001 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
From WXTIDE32:
Hell Gate (East River), New York Current
Units are knots

Saturday 2001-07-07
Sunrise 2:31 AM PDT, Sunset 5:29 PM PDT
Moonset 4:09 AM PDT, Moonrise 7:11 PM PDT
Slack Water: 3:08 AM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 6:03 AM PDT 3.40
Slack Water: 9:03 AM PDT -0.00
Max Ebb: 11:51 AM PDT -4.57
Slack Water: 3:19 PM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 6:17 PM PDT 3.46
Slack Water: 9:21 PM PDT -0.00

Sunday 2001-07-08
Sunrise 2:32 AM PDT, Sunset 5:29 PM PDT
Moonset 5:07 AM PDT, Moonrise 7:44 PM PDT
Max Ebb: 12:13 AM PDT -4.68
Slack Water: 3:48 AM PDT -0.00
Max Flood: 6:41 AM PDT 3.33
Slack Water: 9:43 AM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 12:29 PM PDT -4.53
Slack Water: 3:59 PM PDT -0.00
Max Flood: 6:56 PM PDT 3.38
Slack Water: 10:02 PM PDT -0.00

Saturday 2001-07-14
Sunrise 2:36 AM PDT, Sunset 5:26 PM PDT
Moonset 11:04 AM PDT, Moonrise 10:20 PM PDT
Slack Water: 1:50 AM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 4:36 AM PDT -4.23
Slack Water: 8:08 AM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 11:04 AM PDT 2.95
Slack Water: 2:13 PM PDT -0.00
Max Ebb: 5:02 PM PDT -4.31
Slack Water: 8:38 PM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 11:33 PM PDT 2.98

Sunday 2001-07-15
Sunrise 2:37 AM PDT, Sunset 5:25 PM PDT
Moonset 12:08 PM PDT, Moonrise 10:51 PM PDT
Slack Water: 2:43 AM PDT -0.00
Max Ebb: 5:28 AM PDT -4.25
Slack Water: 8:59 AM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 11:57 AM PDT 3.03
Slack Water: 3:06 PM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 5:57 PM PDT -4.40
Slack Water: 9:33 PM PDT -0.00

Saturday 2001-07-21
Sunrise 2:42 AM PDT, Sunset 5:21 PM PDT
Moonrise 3:24 AM PDT, Moonset 6:25 PM PDT
Slack Water: 2:03 AM PDT -0.00
Max Flood: 4:59 AM PDT 3.78
Slack Water: 8:05 AM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 10:55 AM PDT -4.99
Slack Water: 2:18 PM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 5:21 PM PDT 3.94
Slack Water: 8:31 PM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 11:24 PM PDT -5.15

Sunday 2001-07-22
Sunrise 2:43 AM PDT, Sunset 5:20 PM PDT
Moonrise 4:40 AM PDT, Moonset 7:06 PM PDT
Slack Water: 2:55 AM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 5:52 AM PDT 3.83
Slack Water: 8:58 AM PDT -0.00
Max Ebb: 11:48 AM PDT -5.03
Slack Water: 3:12 PM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 6:15 PM PDT 3.95
Slack Water: 9:24 PM PDT -0.00

Saturday 2001-07-28
Sunrise 2:48 AM PDT, Sunset 5:15 PM PDT
Moonrise 11:48 AM PDT, Moonset 10:14 PM PDT
Slack Water: 2:12 AM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 5:08 AM PDT -4.29
Slack Water: 8:33 AM PDT -0.00
Max Flood: 11:40 AM PDT 3.28
Slack Water: 2:39 PM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 5:43 PM PDT -4.37
Slack Water: 9:09 PM PDT -0.00

Sunday 2001-07-29
Sunrise 2:49 AM PDT, Sunset 5:14 PM PDT
Moonrise 12:52 PM PDT, Moonset 10:50 PM PDT
Max Flood: 12:16 AM PDT 3.23
Slack Water: 3:12 AM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 6:14 AM PDT -4.20
Slack Water: 9:32 AM PDT 0.00
Max Flood: 12:42 PM PDT 3.26
Slack Water: 3:38 PM PDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 6:50 PM PDT -4.34
Slack Water: 10:08 PM PDT 0.00

triblet posted 04-25-2001 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
I just noticed that the times are PDT, not
EDT. Sorry about that.

Chuck

LarrySherman posted 04-25-2001 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
Thanks Chuck, very cool.
LarrySherman posted 04-26-2001 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
All,

Jurisproodenz sent me the folling information which is very useful:

=========================================
A couple of random thoughts: the NJ ferry and Path trains run from near the
Liberty Marina. There is the Marriott by the Trade Center on the Manhattan
side for overnighters, given a transient berth at Liberty or an other NJ
side marina.

If we are planning hulls and capable
of 20 knots, I think that the only nasty piece will be Hell's gate. Clearly
coming on to ebb at the turn of high tide would be the best time to bolt
around the corner there. But I don't think that the tide will matter too
much as long as we avoid slot along the west side of Roosevelt Island. Or,
the boats could either go around the top through the Harlem river and meet
southbound boats under the GW bridge. Down the East River on the eastern
side of Roosevelt Island the water is almost invariably calm.

I remember the name of the NJ marina: Lincoln Harbor. AND they have a
Sheraton hotel right there, as well as a Ruth's Chris and Houlihans. Good
slips too. http://www.lincolnharbor.com/

Also: http://www.portimperial.com/amenities.htm for a transient space
followed by the path to Manhattan. Liberty Harbor too in that regard.

BUT, some more ideas: Skyport Marina on 34th st. -- actually on Manhattan
for slips and then hotels.
the Skyport may be great as we
can walk to lots of great restaurants and decent hotels etc, but as a marina
it sucks, although it IS on Manhattan. Lincoln Harbor (NJ)is a GREAT marina,
even a small ship's store, with great facilities right there, but Manhattan
works out to be remote even though it is right across the river. The sundown
view on a clear day is tremendous -- all the light reflecting off of the
skyscrapers in midtown, etc. Same would be true at Liberty harbor and Port
Imperial where we could watch the reflection on the WTC and WFC, though. And
we could go across by Ferry or Path to Eamon Moran's from either of those
two.

Thought: the actual marina at the World Financial Center tries to keep us
"small boats" out: I think that the real issue is to try and keep the Donzis
with the gold chains, 100mph haircuts etc., out. It is possible (though it
is not likley) that we could get special dispensation from (is it called
North Cove Marina? I forget) to actually overnight at the World Financial
Center. A call to the Boston Whaler publicity department might make that
possible? Now, would that be seriously cool, or what? Then stay at the
downtown Marriott.

=========================================
3 points from the above:

1) Overnight trip or a daytrip? I need to know what people want to do BEFORE I expend a lot of energy trying to find overnight spots, hotels, dinner reservations, etc.

2) For a day trip, the Tides in July seem to favor the 28th. Here are the specifics (thanks chuck):

Saturday 2001-07-28
Sunrise 5:48 EDT, Sunset 20:15 EDT
Moonset 0:42 EDT, Moonrise 14:48 EDT
Max Flood: 2:12 EDT 3.30
Slack Water: 5:12 EDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 8:08 EDT -4.29
Slack Water: 11:33 EDT 0.00
Max Flood: 14:40 EDT 3.28
Slack Water: 17:39 EDT 0.00
Max Ebb: 20:43 EDT -4.37

If we make it an overnight trip, we can worry about tides once we figure out where we are staying (LI Sound, Hudson, or NYC).

3) So far I've been getting a fairly lackluster response to my query (3 to be percise). If you are intrested in this trip, please respond to me soon.


Larry

hardensheetmetal posted 04-26-2001 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Larry,

Thank you for spending the time on this. I am leaning more on the day cruise side of things, I think if we try to pack too many things into one or two days it could get sort of awkward to arrange and handle, But I'm easy and will very gladdly take part in whatever everyone else chooses. If it is over night, how do you want to handle the reservations for slips?

Dan

tbirdsey posted 04-26-2001 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Larry: I remain interested but still have lots of balls in the air for this summer. right now late July looks good and we would go for the overnight -- Manhattan sounds like fun. Tom Birdsey
Jurisproodenz posted 04-27-2001 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jurisproodenz  Send Email to Jurisproodenz     
I would be interested in the overnight. ANd maybe third weekend in July. In fact, I am pretty sure that it would be a multi-weekend affair for me to get down from Boston. By the way, do any prospective participants have kids?

Great job, Larry!

LarrySherman posted 04-30-2001 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
What does everyone think if we made the overnight section optional, and scheduled by the individual. The overnighters can use this forum and the resources posted to workout dockage, and hopefully agree on a nice place to rendezvous at on Saturday eve. The day trippers can still meet up with the overnighters for dinner by car pooling.

The weekend of July 28th still seems the best choice, based on tide info.

ffk posted 05-02-2001 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for ffk  Send Email to ffk     
Larry, The end of July works for me. I have the option of bringing my wife and 10 yr old daughter, depending on what others are planning to do. We would certainly entertain the overnight stay, as probably will not get into that area otherwise. We are very flexible and would like to hear other thoughts.
Thanks for the effort!
Frank
LarrySherman posted 05-09-2001 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
All,

This trip seems to have died on the vine. Too bad. I think it could have been lots of fun.

Larry

Peter posted 05-10-2001 08:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Larry,

I'm not so sure this has died on the vine yet. I think that it still might be a little early. Right now I'm concentrating on getting my Whaler ship shape and in the water. I'm sure many others are doing the same and perhaps Jurisproodez is still haggling on the 26. My thought also is to keep the rendezvous simple to allow maximum flexibility in view of the weather and other considerations like children (we have two very young ones that seem to CONTROL our schedule). I would certainly like to see this happen.

Peter

tbirdsey posted 05-11-2001 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Larry: I'm still interested and in fact the 28th is looking clear for us right now. I've been enjoying spring on the Hudson this year and will be out early tomorrow for stripers. I've always wanted to visit Manhattan in the whaler and would like nothing better than hooking up with a few others. I'm currently working with the city of Albany to develop the riverfront and a little research downriver would certainly be appropriate!!

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