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tlynch posted 11-23-2003 06:34 PM ET (US)   Profile for tlynch   Send Email to tlynch  
Hey guys,

Has anyone ever made the trip from Lake Champlain to New York Harbor in their Whaler?

I have an Outrage 18 and I am considering doing it next summer. I would trailer the boat up to Burlington, VT or Whitehall, NY and spend a couple of days around Lake Champlain and then start heading south. Any experience with the Champlain Canal Locks? I might take the boat out around the Tapanzee bridge if I don't want to deal with NY Harbor. Do you think 10 days would be enough? I would most likely camp or stay at B&B's along the way.

Any suggestions on which cruising guide to purchase?

Thanks,
Todd

Barry posted 11-23-2003 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Sounds like a nice trip. Make sure you take your camera or camcoder and keep it handy. If you're lucky you might see Champ, the Lake Champlain monster.
Rob Cote posted 11-24-2003 07:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
tlynch,

I have been thinking about the same trip myself, in a new-to-me 1986 22' Revenge Walk-Through.

A good book for you to read: "Cruising Guide To New York Waterways and Lake Champlain" by Chris W. Brown III The book provides guidance on Marinas, lock usage, and some history about the areas you'll travel through. If you can't find the book, let me know, I'll send one off to you.

I've only read about the trip so far, but have not tried it yet.

tlynch posted 11-24-2003 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
Thanks - I just ordered "Cruising Guide To New York Waterways and Lake Champlain" by Chris W. Brown III from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1565542509/103-1476503-4541452

Thanks for the advice,
Todd

jimp posted 11-24-2003 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
todd -

I made the trip up & back in '67, though not in a Whaler. The family (6) took our 32' Chris Craft Sea Skiff Sportfisherman from Eastern Long Island to Montreal for Expo '67. OUTSTANDING trip. The Waterways guide should be an excellent resource.

JimP

Kingsteven18 posted 11-25-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
I might be interested in joining you. How will your car get to you?
Kingsteven18 posted 11-25-2003 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
I got the guide a while ago, but an unexpected divorce rearranged my plans. I'd be more inclined toward camping (weather permitting).
tlynch posted 11-25-2003 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
I keep my boat in Stonington, CT which is right on the border of Rhode Island. My younger brother lives up in Middlebury, VT and might be convinced to drive a friend and me, and tow the boat, up there and bring the trailer down before the end of the trip. I could then easily arrange to be picked up by my truck and trailer down at this end.

Another option would be to go with another couple, and let the girls drive the truck and trailer down as we take the boat. This would involve B&B's and rule out camping, and wreck the sense of adventure.

The one thing that I fear is that the speed limit up in the canal will be so slow that that part of the trip takes forever.

Who knows, but thinking about it sure beats working!

Todd

jimp posted 11-25-2003 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
Todd -

The speed zones in the canal were SLOW. In the rain, they'd be terrible. But with family or good friends and nice weather - they're outstanding. Plan for them and the trip will be a lot of fun.

JimP

tlynch posted 11-25-2003 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
Here is NY States Canals official website:

http://www.canals.state.ny.us/

Todd

gimcrack225 posted 11-26-2003 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
I've been planning for some sort of Hudson and farther north trip since I got a 21'Walkaround cuddy whaler. My boat is on the Hudson in Piermont (near the Tappan Zee Bridge) My first idea was to go North "x number" of days or miles and then return. I had never thought of taking the boat north and just traveling south. Interesting. I have never been in any locks or canals. What is it like traveling in canals Do you just relax and run on your kicker?
Karl
tlynch posted 11-26-2003 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
I have never travelled on canals and I have never been through a lock.

quote:
The Champlain Canal connects the Hudson River to Lake Champlain, a total distance of 64 statute miles from Troy on the Hudson to Whitehall on Lake Champlain. . . . Due to the 10 mph speed limit in the canal and the necessary delays in passing through 12 locks, we suggest allowing a day and a half for the trip from Troy to Lake Champlain.

-Lake Champlain Publishing, promotional literature.


Todd

Kingsteven18 posted 11-26-2003 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
Better bring lots of bagels for all those locks.
Rob Cote posted 11-26-2003 06:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
I do a fair bit of boating between lock 5 in Schuylerville and lock 4 in Stillwater. I believe this is the single longest stretch between locks. I can tell you 10mph may be the rule, but the norm is much faster in this section.

I once spent an hour or so watching boats using the lock. It's "cool" but this process is by far the most time consuming, not so much the 10mph limit.

I'd plan on most of a day getting through the entire set of locks.

tbirdsey posted 11-26-2003 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
I know that many years ago (1967 for Expo??),lhg made a good part of this trip in a 13' whaler, although in the other direction - from somewhere around Albany, I think, to Montreal (and back, if I'm not mistaken). Perhaps he can shed some light on how long it takes to get through the Champlain Canal.

I'd be interested in making the trip from Lake Champlain to at least south of Albany. We have a camp near Port Douglas which is due west of Burlington and live just south of Albany not far from the Hudson. Also have an 18 Outrage along with a rib sided 21, but I'd need to triple the fuel capacity of the 21 for a trip like that. Guess this would be a good reason to do it!

Port Douglas would be a great starting off point as it is easily accessible by highway. Route 87 is less than 10 miles away and connects with the NYS thruway, so its highway driving almost the entire way. We make it from Albany in just over two hours. There is a relatively new state launching ramp at Port Douglas with plenty of parking which gets very little use, even in mid summer.

Perhaps this could be the beginning of a Lake Champlain rendezvous. People could spend a day unwinding from the drive, get to know each other, enjoy a homecooked meal, and then head south. We'd be glad to host it!

gimcrack225 posted 11-26-2003 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
tlynch

New York Harbor is awsome when viewed from a boat. I take my whaler around Manhattan once a year. The tides and ebb and flood of currents can be worked out with precision with a copy of Eldridge. Going under the George Washington bridge makes a Montauk feel about like a walnut shell. South Street Seaport, Lower Manhattan, Grants Tomb, United Nations, and the incredible number of people and buildings that will be all around you in your humble little BW make it an unforgettable trip.

The key to comfort, as with the rest of the Hudson, particularly Haverstraw Bay and the other wider parts, is the wind/tide/current interaction. It can be pretty miserable in a Noreaster.

How long you take is up to you. You could do Federal Lock to the Battery (132 miles) in one day at 25mph but you wouldn't be able to walk for a week. I might give myself 3 days for this stretch. I don't know about the Champlain Canal, its 56 miles long. So the whole trip is less than 200 miles. I would like to do this next year and am thinking about 5 days for the whole trip.

I would also suggest avoiding travel around holiday weekends if possible. The narrow part of the river, down to Bear Mountain, can pile up confused echoing wakes from a constant parade of 40'water pushers. Its nothing to fear, but requires constant attention.

Also make sure your registration, safety equipment and numbers are up to date. There are often Sheriffs and other local marine law officers in the busy areas. Would also suggest Sea Tow. Bring charts or crusing guide.

Early mornings is the time for cruising the River pretty much undisturbed. Would not miss a stop at Kingston Town Landing up Rondout Creek (also easy gas) for lunch (mile H-79.0)

The Piermont Whaler Club (mile H-23) will be happy to extend whatever hospitality we can.
good luck
Karl

gimcrack225 posted 11-27-2003 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
tlynch
I took the liberty of adding some "promotional" photos of the southern end of the Hudson River.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/keak47
Tappan Zee Bridge, Piermont, Piermont Marsh National Estuarine Reserve, Washington Irving Boat Club in Tarrytown, Storm King Mountain, Bear Mountain Bridge with Iona Island. There are a few of the Rhein river between Dusseldorf and Bonn.
Enjoy
Karl
aubv posted 11-30-2003 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
tlynch/Todd,

You might also want to get a copy of NOAA recreational chart 14786 NYS Barge Canal System.

I would be very interested in talking with you about the trip. I have been working towards taking the trip up and down(leaving from MV) but would also consider trailering up.

If trailering, I'd take the boat up a week or so before the trip and leave her at a marina with rack service. Drive home with the trailer, then make arraingments(private plane/train/bus)to get back up to VT.

tlynch posted 12-01-2003 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
Hey,

I would love to finish my cruise in NY Harbor, but I have been out on the harbor several times on larger boats and it has never looked like it would be fun in an 18' Whaler. That's why I think that I will end up around the Tapanzee. Maybe I will have a lot of confidence in my boat at the end of the trip and will decide to check out the Harbor.

For some reason I have very little interest in cruising LI Sound. From Stonington I would much rather go to Block, Newport, and Martha's Vineyard than back into the sound. I will pick up the chart as soon as I am sure that I am going.

I heard that the speed limit is enforced at the locks; they fine you if you arrive too early.

What boats do you guys have?

Todd

gimcrack225 posted 12-01-2003 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
todd
Thats the other trip that I want to make next summer. Tappan Zee-Vineyard Haven. With a stop in Stonington (nice place) and a few other places like the Thimble Islands, Lloyds Neck, Connecticut River, Menemsha, Naushon, Cuttyhunk. I've been to all these places in a cruising sailboat so it will be new to see them under power.
I keep pouring over the cruising guides. Every place looks great, its just a matter of time.
I didn't know about timed travel in locks. I think you have to step back to the last century and accept the fact that you are traveling in a old (1800's) and narrow canal and forget about being in a hurry. To try to plane off and show your boats speed is going to cause damage and is contrary to the spirit and law of canal travel. I'll try it anyway, slow can be OK. I'm putting on a 9.9hp kicker on my 21' walkaround..
Karl
Rob Cote posted 12-01-2003 06:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
Todd,

The day I watched the activity at lock 5, I was able to shoot the breeze a bit with the "lock master". You're right - the speed limit is enforced at the locks.

As a service, the Lock Masters will radio each other as to when they can expect traffic to arrive at their locks. That way the lock can be ready with the right water level when you arrive (ie. filled or unfilled). The timing of your arrival also serves as a speed limit enforcement.

For planning puposes, it would be wise to just figure a full day to get through all the locks. It may be slower than you usually cruise, but as others have mentioned, it is an nice area to cruise through.

Here's a view from my Montauk of the section between locks 4 & 5. (note the boat up in distance is doing a bit more than 10mph :-)

http://www.capital.net/com/rcote/laborday02/Picture%20001.jpg


- Rob

hardensheetmetal posted 12-03-2003 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Todd,

That would be a great trip, I have set it on my agenda just after conquering Block/Newport first (which we accomplished last year), MV/Cuttyhunk/Nantucket (hopefully this coming summer), then maybe a trip up the river.

Its funny, I feel exactly as you, I keep the boat in Old Saybrook (Clinton last season) and would MUCH rather head out east, than back into The Sound. I actually live up on the Hudson River, about .5 of a mile around the face of Storm King mountain which is shown in Gimcracks photo album.

If you start planning the trip and need a place to dock on the way down, let me know, I can always find a spot in the marina. Also, don't worry too much about traffic on the river, there is one sharp, narrow turn in the river at West Point as Gimcrack has pointed out. Really nothing to worry about if you are awake.

Dan

aubv posted 12-04-2003 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Todd,

We have a 17'OR and a 23'OR. I took the 23' by water from Barnegat, NJ to MV last year-260 miles.

The trip from Burlington Vt. to NYC is approximately 285 miles. With the following breakdown:

Burlington to Whitehall 70 miles
Champlain Canal Whitehall-Troy 62 miles
Albany to NYC 153 miles

Averaging 5 mph over the entire distance would require 57 hours of travel time. Certainly some sections will allow much faster travel.

To those interested in MV, let me know if I can be of assistance.

jimp posted 12-04-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
When you guys travel the area, remember that Whitehall (formerly known as Skeneboro) is where Benedict Arnold built the American fleet. Read Kenneth Roberts book "Rabble in Arms" - excellent historical fiction. Your local libraries should have it.

Rabble in Arms (1938) by Kenneth Roberts most memorable work of historical fiction novels dealing with the early years of the American Revolution. The book picks-up following the loss at Quebec and where Robert's earlier book, Arundel, leaves off. It traces the escape of the American Army, under the command of Benedict Arnold, down Lake Champlain to the southern end of the lake to construct a small fleet of vessels to meet and oppose the British fleet on the northern end of the lake. The ensuing battle took place at Valcour Island on October 11, 1776. Although the Battle of Valcour Island was considered a loss to the American forces its outcome was significant enough to delay the British advance down the lake and was a major reason for the ultimate victory at Saratoga a year later.

JimP

Rob Cote posted 12-06-2003 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
Jim,

Thanks for the book suggestion. I just placed the order on Amazon. I live within an hour's drive of the Whitehall area, and I'm looking forward to learning a bit more about the area's history. I'm sure it will make my boating adventures that much more enjoyable.

Thanks,
- Rob

jimp posted 12-06-2003 12:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
Rob -

Enjoy the book & read some of Roberts' others too. The Hudson River Valley & Lake Champlain are full of Revolutionary War history.

I remember reading some historical plaque in Whitehall in '67 about the "birth of the navy", but it didn't make much of an impression on 13 yr old. We tied up at the "Liberty Eatery" on the east side - wonder if its still there?

JimP

Rob Cote posted 12-06-2003 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
Jim, there's a small museum in Whitehall with a plaque outside that describes the birth of the US Navy. Re: the Liberty Eatery, not sure - I'll be on the look out next time I'm over that way and I'll let you know. BTW, I live just musket shot away from the Bennington Battlefield.
aubv posted 07-07-2004 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi all,

It appears that work requires me to be in VT some time in the next month(waiting for parts) So, I'm planning a trip by boat from MV to Lake Champlain to MV, with about a week in VT for work. I was in Vt. last week and did some scouting of local Marinas.

I'm in the process of compiling a list of things to take along and could use help with local knowledge, including:

Names and phone numbers (GPS#s?) of places to stay over night in NY and CT, i.e. Marinas with shower facilities and/or Hotels/motels with in walking distance from Marina's or Town docks.

Water accessible restaurants in VT, NY and CT.

Names and numbers of repair facilities that you might use personally.

Places to see/things to do by boat around Lake Champlain.

E-mail w/names and phone numbers of CW members who want to rendezvous along the way(time permitting) Also, CW members who might be willing to help should some problem arise along the way.

Any other information or suggestions.

Thanks,

Brian

gimcrack225 posted 07-08-2004 06:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Aubv,
Great plan for a trip up the Hudson River.
I'm thinking of going up to the locks in the next couple of weeks. I'm in Piermont which is near the Tappan Zee Bridge. When are you planning to make your trip? Maybe I could join you for part of the trip.
My experience is that the heavy power boaters have the river pretty stirred up by noon on a nice weekend. For this reason I always start at dawn for a long trip.
There are at least two crusing guides to the Hudson and Lake that have all that stuff like milage, scenery, gas, motels and history. Also a free monthly magazine called "Boating on the Hudson" that I rely on for up to date stuff like motels, stores and gas. They just had a marine facilities update for the 2004. I could mail you a copy if you don't already have one.
Karl
aubv posted 07-08-2004 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     

gimcrack225(Karl),

Thank you for the response.

Currently, I'm thinking that the trip from MV will start in late July or early August and will take a minimum of 3 days to get to Lake Champlain.

Here is a tentative plan-open to lots of variables. I have a great deal of flexibility and would be very interested in having other boat(s) along, for all or part of the journey.

Day 1 MV to someplace north of the TZ Bridge.
Day 2 someplace near or into the locks.
Day 3 Home base on Lake Champlain.

After the job is complete(the premise for taking the boat), about 7 days, a similar plan in reverse but maybe going to Southern CT on day two.

I've been told that Lake Champlain to NYC can be done in 2 days. Not sure if the reverse is true.

I was speaking to someone in Coeyman, NY yesterday and she told me about "Boating on the Hudson". I saw at the web site, the June 2003 and June 2004 issues, had write ups on restaurants and fuel locations. I sent them an e-mail and hope to get copies from them. If not I would be happy to get that information from you. She also mentioned Maptek(?) which has mileage between locations.

What boat do you own?

Brian

gimcrack225 posted 07-08-2004 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Brian,
I have a 1991 21'BW Walkaround with a 225hp.
Getting here from the Vineyard in one day is pretty slick cruising. I've done it many times in a sailboat in a relaxing 3 1/2 days.
The whole plan sounds exciting. Best Regards
Karl
aubv posted 07-09-2004 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
gimcrack225(karl),

What route did you take? Harlem River to LI Sound? Do you remember how many miles? I haven't set points on my chart plotter yet but estimate the trip from MV to the TZ Bridge is 225 miles.

I'd like to go as far as possible on day one, allowing more time to work up the Hudson River, into the locks.
Having taken the boat on a 260 mile trip in one day, this leg of the trip "should" be easier.

Is the late July or early August time frame for the trip, something that might work for you?

Brian

gimcrack225 posted 07-09-2004 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Brian,
RE: CLEARANCE in HARLEM RIVER
Remember we were in a 38' sailboat. There would not be enough vertical clearance to use the Harlem River. Coming from Long Island Sound we would turn south (left) in the East River after passing through Hell Gate, east around the Battery and then north in the Hudson River, thereby circling clockwise most of Manhattan, then under the George Washington Bridge and north to the Tappan Zee.
In a Whaler, requiring much less than 25' clearance, you would turn north (right) into the Harlem River after exiting Hell Gate then enter the Hudson at the Spuyten Duyvil. You would also bypass the George Washington Bridge. Eliminating the circling Manhattan may save about 25 miles. Its easy.
Last weekend I did a clockwise round Manhattan trip in my whaler, Hudson River - Sputen Duyvil - Harlem River - East River - Battery - Hudson River. There is a railroad swing bridge at the Spuyten Duyvil that is normally open but sometimes can be closed for what seem like long periods. I will try to research this.
I'll play with this on my Chartplotter to see what comes up. I already have a route Piermont to Execution Rock which marks the western end of the Long Island Sound. I'll extend the route to Vineyard Haven. I'm not sure how much of MV is on my New York Garmin data card.
Karl
aubv posted 07-11-2004 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
gimcrack225,

How much clearance on the RR bridge when it's closed?

My BlueChart chip -Large Northeast (MUS501L) covers upper 2/3's of NJ to north of Albany and out past Boston.

I was told the Bluechart St. Lawrence Seaway chip (MUS020R) covers Lake Champlain. Does anyone know if it covers the Champlain Lock system also?

Brian

gimcrack225 posted 07-12-2004 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
http://www.garmin.com/cartography/bluechart/region.jsp?RegionPK=8


Covers the St. Lawrence River from Brockville, Ont. to Sept-Iles, Que., including Montreal and Quebec. Also includes detailed coverage of Lake Champlain and Lac Saint-Jean, including Burlington, VT, Rideau River, the Ottawa River to Temiscaming, the Riviere Saguenay from Chicoutimi, Que. to the St. Lawrence River, and the Hudson River to Troy, NY. $160.70
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gimcrack225 posted 07-12-2004 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
www.garmin.com/cartography/bluechart/region.jsp?RegionPK=8
gimcrack225 posted 07-19-2004 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Brian,
How are the plans coming along?
Karl
aubv posted 07-19-2004 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi Karl,

Boat is on the trailer waiting to be launched. So am I, as I spent 23 of the last 72 hours on the water. Got a spare set of plugs and extra oil. Changed the lower unit oil and inflated the fenders. Also, set some way points and a route to the Hudson River. 190 miles. Based on my last trip that's only 8 hours. If I make it that far in 8 hours. I would be inclined to go to Kingston which is another 70 miles. Over the weekend I talked with some folks who are familiar with the Fishers Island area and today I scouted a place to get gas in CT.

Now, I'm waiting for an update( tomorrow AM.) on material for the job, last estimate was middle of next week. Which means, I'd leave on Sunday.

Are you still thinking about taking the trip up? If the timing of the my trip up doesn't work for you, I could let you know when I'm 3-4 days from finishing the job, you to come up and we could travel down together.

Brian

gimcrack225 posted 07-22-2004 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Brian,
I lost your email with your telephone number. Yes I am still up for a trip or trips. I want to go up the Hudson and to the Vineyard. Both before the end of the season. My boat, knock on wood, is in good shape.
aubv posted 07-22-2004 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi Karl,

My trip has been postponed. New tentative departure date is August 12th. This would mean a return departure date aropund August 22.

I ordered "The Cruising Guide to the New York State Canal System - 2nd Edition" today.

Tomorrow, I'll be scouting the river between Kingston and the TZ Bridge for marinas and hotels.

I sent you an e-mail.

Brian

aubv posted 07-24-2004 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Here is my scouting report for those interested:

The Kingston Town Dock looks like a great place to put in for the night or to just get something to eat. Quite a number of restaurants(~10) within a very short walking distance. Also a bakery and a B&B. Construction on a new hotel starts next week. The town dock is manned until 9:00PM.

On the other side and up river a short distance are 3 other marina's. I stopped in at Rondout Yacht Basin(another good choice to stay over night). They have showers, washer/dryer, gas, a pool, grills, small ships store w/supplies, charts, snack foods, etc. They have a a list of local restaurants (including a couple that will come pick you up), other things to do and listings of mileage to up and down river locations. There is a trolley that runs through town and stops in front of the yacht basin.

Cost $1.5/ft for over night at the yacht basin or the town dock plus a $5.00 electricity fee.


mustang7nh posted 08-12-2004 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
I ordered the Cruising Guide and the NYS Canal guide. Should arrive in a few days. From previous posts there seem to be many forum members on the Hudson, I'd love to meet you and/or have you tag along. My plan is to leave either Sun the 22nd from Eastern Long Island, or the 23rd if weather doesn't permit. I will definitely make it to Troy and if all goes well head into Lake Champlain and back home later that week. I'll know a bit more of my specific itinerary when I read over the guides; but any suggestions of must see (as it get out of the boat and visit) and good marinas to overnight are welcomed. Thanks.

aubv- will I be able to catch up with you on the return trip?

aubv posted 08-15-2004 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     

Mustang7nh,

I left the Tashmoo town dock 7:00am on Monday, arrived in Kingston, NY around 6:30PM, where I stayed for the first night. Made 2 stops for fuel along the way. Traveled 285 miles the first day.

Second day left the dock at 6:12 AM. Stopped just south of Albany for fuel and a canal pass. Made it all the way to Whitehall where I stayed for the second night.

Day three I left the dock at Whitehall at 6:30 AM and reached my destination for the week, just north of Burlington, at 1:30 in the afternoon. Total trip was 504 miles and 53 hours total elapsed time.

Very interesting trip and the locks are very easy to work through.

I will know later in the week when my return trip will start.

mustang7nh posted 08-16-2004 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
Aubv- sounds like a great trip.
kingfish posted 08-16-2004 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Aubv:

285 miles in one day is a real project! How many hours on the water?

I ran 265 miles in one day a couple of years ago in my Outrage 22 running from Cedarville in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan east through the entire North Channel of Lake Huron to Little Current, cruised around some and went back to Cedarville in just about 13 hours on the button. I was a whipped puppy at the end. It was something I had wanted to do, now I've done it, but I'd have to figure out how to get younger before I'd willingly take on that kind of distance in one day again.

tbirdsey posted 08-16-2004 01:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Aubv:

I'm thinking about making the trip from just south of Albany to Port Douglas (directly opposite Burlington) in a few weeks. I'm curious what kind of time you can make once you are on the Canal. I hear different stories about allowable speed between the locks.

Can you estimate how long it took you from the first lock in Troy to your destination south of Burlington? I'm hoping to do the trip in one day. Thanks.

aubv posted 08-16-2004 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Kingfish,

The total elapsed time of 11-1/2 hours included an hour and fifteen minute excursion up the Thames River in CT, to go passed Electric Boat and to scout/get gas at a location I need for my return trip. I also stopped for fuel just north of the Tappan Zee Bridge which was another 30 minute stop.

Tbirdsey,

You can make the trip through the entire Champlain Canal in one day. The problem maybe what speed you can cruise at comfortably. I can't cruise much above 8.5 MPH or I need to go to 15 mph, otherwise my 23' is pushing a big wake. The slower speed increases the time it takes to travel the canal. If you want to make the entire canal in one day I'd be at the first lock when they open.

I think you need to adhere to the speed limits, if for no other reason there are lots of docks with boats along the way. If there is any place that time might be made it would be from lock 9 to 11 (no lock 10) and Lock 11 to lock 12.

mustang7nh posted 08-17-2004 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for mustang7nh  Send Email to mustang7nh     
Where did you stay overnight? I'm still gearing up for a Sunday or Monday departure. Might modify how far I go north. Kingston might be the peak for me so I can spend more time at ports sightseeing etc.
aubv posted 08-24-2004 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi all,

Just a brief post and update. I arrived home, last night, after making an 1100 mile journey from Martha's Vineyard to Lake Champlain (north of Burlington, Vt.) and back to Martha's Vineyard. The trip was taken solo on a 2001 23' Outrage. Spent a total of five nights sleeping on board. Along the way, arranged for Swellmonster to meet me at the boat. We traveled across Lake Champlain to the New York side where we had dinner and a very nice sunset cruise back to VT. (Swellmonster may be thinking he would like to get a bigger boat.)

Also met Mustang7nh and girlfriend just south of the Hellgate Bridge in NYC. A second meeting for us, as we had met on MV a couple of weeks earlier.

I offer my help to anyone considering taking the trip.

Very very interesting trip. It is amazing the NY State Canal infrastructure can be used for $5.00 a day! The Lock Masters are a wealth of knowledge, very helpful and get this some of them even like Boston Whalers. I'm already considering taking the trip again next year. Anyone who is interested in doing the trip next year let me know.

gimcrack225 posted 08-25-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for gimcrack225    
Brian,
Congratulations to you and your crew! Thats a remarkable achievement.
I trust every thing went well?
Karl
aubv posted 08-26-2004 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hi Karl,

On behalf of the crew of me, myself and I, thank you. I thought about calling you on the way down but I left your number on my desk.

I had, what hopefully amounts to, one small motor problem towards the end of the trip but was able to complete the trip, unaided. The Mercury dealer has the boat and it should be fixed by early next week.

Rob Cote posted 08-27-2004 05:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rob Cote  Send Email to Rob Cote     
aubv,

Congratulations on a fantastic trip! Glad to hear you made it without any problems.

I got your message over the weekend. Unfortunately, I had to make an unplanned trip to Boston, and so I missed the opportunity to join you for a small leg of the trip. I was disappointed as the weekend weather was perfect!

(I am on my way to Buzzard's Bay this weekend for some fishing with my brother, and to perhaps show my Revenge 22 to a prospective buyer. Depending on timing and weather, we might take a ride over to MV. If I do, I'll give you a shout!)

Again, congratulations and sorry I missed the opportunity to meet you along the way.

- Rob

Swellmonster posted 08-27-2004 06:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Brian,

Thanks again for the outing on Lake Champlain. Not a bad lil Sea Ray at all ;)
The lake was beautiful with all the cliffs, mountains, fog. Dinner was excellant. Very gracious of you. I hope I can find the time to come up and fish with you. Did you buy any tennis shoes yet?

boatforfun posted 06-12-2007 12:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatforfun  Send Email to boatforfun     
I am thinking of going this summer. Any thoughts on stopping overnight at Schuyler Yacht Basin, which is south of lock 5?

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