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Buckda posted 03-05-2004 10:16 AM ET (US)   Profile for Buckda   Send Email to Buckda  
It's about that time to start thinking about a rendezvous for up north.

Last year, lots of us met up for a NC rendevous where we trekked across the North Channel from DeTour Michigan to Little Current, Ontario. We explored Baie Fine and Killarney.

This year - I'm thinking we set up base camp at the Sportsman's Inn in Killarney (or Spider Bay in Little Current again) and explore McGregor Bay, Iriquois Bay, and Collins Inlet.

Anyone interested in such a trip?

LHG posted 03-05-2004 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Dave - The famous and world renowned Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club is working on 2 major events for this summer, one using the week of the July 4th weekend, and one for the 1st week of August, both 9 day events. Keep watching your email for notices. Are you finally setting that 15 up for cruising?
home Aside posted 03-05-2004 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Dave
I would be very interested.....I missed the NC Rendezvous last year.....I'm in the process of setting my Montauk up for "Cruising" as LGH puts it....keep me posted when you start locking in Date ideas.....Also see our post re: possibilities of a St. Ignace Rendezvous "Season Opener" let me know what you think about that....take care

Pat Henahan

home Aside posted 03-05-2004 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Sorry That should have been "LHG"......is there really a Boston Whaler Great Lakes cruising club or were you fondly referring to previous participants of the North Channel Rendezvous'? with todays mild temperatures I'm getting very anxious to hit the water....and am very interested in this rendezvous idea....

Pat

Buckda posted 03-05-2004 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
LHG -

I'm picking up the "Intrepid Explorer" from the overhaul tomorrow morning. Thank goodness for tax refunds.

Hopefully I will have her through the new break-in period by early summer (though I also have to fit in two trips to Europe before June 12!).

She'll be ready to go for whatever - I'm interested in exploring up in McGregor/Iriquois bay because I'd love to keep an eye on land / cottage prices up there.

As for rigging her for cruising..there's not much boat to rig! I was hoping to get the flying top and forward shelter with windshield from Mills early this winter, however it seems that they have lost the patterns. I've been sketching some custom ideas out on paper for a few weeks now and plan to bring them to a canvas shop soon for evaluation (but that project may have to wait until the fall). The project is also subject to my limited budget.

(as an aside...I'm working on a 22' Guardian. Seller is not motivated right now, but may be convinced in the next couple of years...THAT's the machine that I will rig completely for cruising)

Pat - I'd love to do the St. Ignace trip too...have been keeping my eye on that thread (as well as the Isle Royale one). I'm reserving my confirmation on that thread based on how work goes...we're gearing up for two medical meetings in Europe that will have me very busy over the next couple of months!

LHG - Were either of those two GLBWCC events in the North Channel or Georgian Bay (another place on my list!)?

Dave

Barry posted 03-05-2004 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
I'll be staying at Mill Lake Lodge on Collins Inlet from Saturday, June 26th through Friday, July 2nd.

If the Club will be in the area let me know and I will meet up with you.

Go to the Mill Lake Lodge web site http://www.milllakelodge.com/ , take a look at the second picture from the left in the photo gallery.

LHG posted 03-07-2004 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Home - The Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club was initially formed back in 1991, by myself, "Backlash" and "JimG", when we discovered the little known and terrific cruising capabilities of our trailerable Boston Whalers equipped with Mills canvas. By "Cruising" we mean traveling/exploring/island hopping from port to port, sometimes considerable distances and for up to two weeks, including overnighting at Marinas on our Whalers, just like the big boys do (only we see much more, cover more water, have more fun and less hassle). JimH has written up some of more recent trips. These have been some of the best vacation experiences of our lives, and more fun than you could ever imagine.

Then, in 2000, both "JimH" (with many thanks to the terrific Mills canvas gifted to him by members of this site) and "Kingfish" joined the "club". Latest newly initiated members are now "Eagleman" (of dockside blueberry pancake breakfast fame), "Buckda" and "Barry". I think "TBirdsey" has qualified as an honorary member from Upstate NY, and one of these days we're hoping "Don McIntyre" will be able to participate.

In addition we were recently honored by becoming affiliated with Clark Robert's famous Spruce Creek Navy.

We are always looking for new members who have Whalers rigged for this type of boating adventure, and the will and time to do it.

Although there is nothing formal yet, preliminary plans are for the early July trip are Georgian Bay 30,000 Islands - NC (see JimH's Sail Log documentary) and the early August trip Coast of Maine, NH border to Bar Harbor.

Barry, it sounds like we may just miss you, unless we begin at Detour or Tobermory rather than Midland.

kingfish posted 03-07-2004 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Barry-
That looks just like you and your sons, except younger...(nice shot of some nice Northerns).

Our slot (Katie's and mine) at Neptune is approx. from July 10 - 17 this year; although I don't have dispensation to host another Rendezvous this year at Neptune Island, I'd certainly be interested in hooking up with anyone who is in the area during that time, and I'd welcome anyone who is in the area to stop out and visit.

Barry posted 03-07-2004 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
My trip to Collin's Inlet is a repeat of a fishing trip that we do on a regular basis at that time of year. This year there will be at least 8 of us going (all family and friends). I'm the only one hauling a boat so the group will end up renting a couple of the camp's 16' aluminum boats.

I watch for the NC schedule. I may be able to extend my trip for several days since Monday, July 5th, is a day off from work.

I'd love to do the Maine trip but it may be tough getting another week or more of vacation. Marco Island at the end of May, Hawaii in April, and Canada in June. My Outrage actually came from Bar Harbor.

Eagleman posted 03-08-2004 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
It's been a long winter in Wisconsin, both Paula & I are ready to start planning on anther NC rendezvous. Santa brought Eagleman a new electric skillet with " serious blueberry pancake capabilities". We'll set back and follow the thread to watch for launch dates and destinations! The Revenge/Merc's are ready to go, so are we the Captain & crew.
Eagleman
"R Time"
Buckda posted 03-08-2004 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

Come on out - the gang is great, and the pancakes are rumored to be even better! (It is truly amazing how much FOOD Russ and Paula can fit into their 25' Revenge!)

Larry - Looking forward to an e-mail announcement for the official trip to the 30,000 Islands. I don't think I can make the Maine trip either (but would love to).

Barry - thanks for the link to Mill Lake Lodge...I noticed the marina on my BlueChart the other night and was wondering how I'd find information about it. I'm working on getting my father to do some fishing up there summer of 2005.

Now...if I can figure out how to get a forward shelter appropriately affixed to the boat, I'm good to go!

David Pendleton posted 03-09-2004 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'd like to know about a date, also.

My boat will be in Bayfield Aug 1-Sept 1 this year, so July might work.

Isn't it still danged cold up there in July?

jimh posted 03-09-2004 12:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The coldest I have ever been in my entire life was on a boat on Lake Huron in June.

July is another story, fortunately! July is wonderful. It is daylight until 10:30 p.m.

We hope to repeat our wonderful cruise from Midland to Little Current and return. See continuouswave.com/sail-logs/gb2001/ for details.

Visit exotic places like:

--Hang Dog Reef
--Snug Harbour Restaurant with SPLAKE on the menu
--Collins River Inlet
--Killarney Mountain Lodge

All it takes is a classic Boston Whaler that you can sleep on overnight, a sense of adventure, and 7-10 days of vacation!

Iriquois Bay--that is a new one. Where is it?

Buckda posted 03-09-2004 04:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
JimH -

Go to your charts. Find Baie Fine...go north...through the islands of McGregor Bay...Waaaay up there is Iriqouis Bay. (Don't have the chart # handy, but it appears in the BlueChart software for Lake Huron, including some rather detailed narrow passages.)

Actually, I've been re-reading your 2001 sail-logs since this thread started...Trying to calculate fuel consumptions and distances on the Map software. Looks like if I carry an extry 6 gallon gerry can, I could comfortably make it (I only tapped my 6 gallon spare tank one time on last year's trip (for something like 1/2 gallon on the trip back to DeTour from Blind River).

I safely assume 3 MPG when making calculations - I really average more like 4.5 when it's clear, but usually keep the 1.5 mpg in reserve due to side jaunts and weather.

Dave Pendleton - We'd love to have you and your post-classic IO on this trip. I promise not to bring any "Cheeto's" aboard. Water is forecasted to be about 1' above last year, so we should have plenty of depth....but I warn you...you may swear off the Apostle Islands after cruising this area if it is half as pretty as the NC / Walesback Channel, Little Detroit, etc...are.

Okay...now I'm thinking that I HAVE to figure out a way to rig a shelter in the next few months. I'm gonna have to eat PB&J for a while...LOL.

Dave

Buckda posted 03-09-2004 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
My map shows a depth of 315 feet (Can't imagine this is meters) in the center of the bay, and it is nearly 3 miles wide, West to East. There appears to be deep channels (including one rumored to have been blasted by the US Corp of Engineers for Pres. Roosevelt's Yacht) all the way up into there.

It is NE of the Whitefish Indian Reserve, and judging by the underwater power line demarkations on the chart, it is definitely cottage country. (Hence my alert interest in exploring after falling in love with the area last summer.)

I believe Outlaw was discussing it out on John's dock one evening at last year's rendezvous. He said that they had his family's 52' Ocean up at the top and that exploring up in there was "the place to go".

I would imagine that it would be a long day trip (leaving before 10 or so, getting back in the evening) from Killarney or Little Current, with little or no time for side trips to Baie Fine or Dreamer's Rock. Perhaps it would be an opportunity to sleep "on the hook" and have a brunch run to Little Current/Killarney in the morning.

The biggest concern is the rocks in Mc Gregor...apparently they are charted, but not marked (especially treacherous for nighttime operation, eh?!!).

My software shows it as chart CA2206 (B) (15000), but I'm not sure how that translates to actual physical chart numbers.

My Richardson's is woefully limited on details for this area (which might also be why it intrigues me so).

I guess we'll have to clear it with LHG, our informal cruise director..but he seems to be up for exploring new territory. Maybe we can stretch the trip a bit.

Other consideration to think about (thinking of Dave Pendleton here)..starting point. Coming from Minneapolis, it might be easier to start at Little Current and go to Midland, and back north? I guess that can be debated depending on the geographical composition of the group when we get closer and have to reserve slots.

Dave

Dave

kingfish posted 03-09-2004 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Dave-

You had me scratching my head over that one - it was familiar to me, but I just couldn't quite bring it back. Your last description finally rang the bell for me and I can now see Iriquois bay in my minds eye with the help of the Turner map hanging on my office wall. I'm thinking that Iriquois Bay is called North bay on the Turner map; directly above Iriquois Island.

I'm pretty sure we were talking at the rendezvous last summer about a spot that we in my family have toured to a number of times, and I may have even pulled a photo out of one or the other of the albums to show it: Pothole Portage. We may even have discussed going there at some point during the rendezvous. It is a phenominally pretty spot, a little reminiscent of the Benjamin Islands but more so, and some kind of geologic "pothole" phenomena dug out of solid Canadian granite that a person will about halfway fit into. Pothole Portage is sort of at the west end of North or Iriquois Bay. Quite a complicated path to get back there, but worth it; when you look at a map or the charts, it's hard to tell whether there are a lot of islands in a big body of water or a bunch of inter-connected lakes and bays in a body of land. We have recorded the route through McGregor bay and on to Pothole Portage with some alternates and have had it laminated.

Nice to be thinking about that stuff as I look out my window to see the snow on the windward side of the trees and here and there on the ground.

Buckda posted 03-09-2004 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Kingfish -

That's it! TURNER maps! That's the name of them! I couldn't remember the local map company name, but knew that I'd have to buy a Turner chart in either Little Current or Killarney next time I'm up there. After seeing your charts, I was convinced local knowledge was better than the Richardson's for Bay of Islands, McGregor Bay and Iriquois Bay / North Bay.

Yes - that's it. I have my laptop with me and can't find Pothole Portage named on the chart, but believe I may have found a likely spot for it. Man...the desktop on my laptop is the photo JimH posted with your "dock 'o' Whalers"...makes me REALLY wish it wasn't snowing this morning on the drive in to work. Saw a 27' Sea Ray in rush-hour traffic this morning ...he was putting in (in the snow!) at a slip in Montrose Harbor...first boat I've seen in the water this year...but then again, this afternoon I looked down on the Chicago river during lunch and saw the Police boat cruising to the locks/lake Michigan. The ice finally melted in Diversey Harbor, so I guess the season really is getting ready to begin.

Dave

kingfish posted 03-10-2004 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Dave-

Looks like I'm going up to "open camp" the week preceding Memorial Day. I'll try to remember to pick up a Turner map for you (rolled or folded?), and to copy the Pothole Portage route. I think Pothole Portage is local name; I'd be surprised to find it on a map or chart.

John

kingfish posted 03-10-2004 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
p.s.

If you can't wait that long, try this:
http://www.turners.ca/

LHG posted 03-10-2004 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Aren't there new Canadian charts of the entire area? I think I've got them.
kingfish posted 03-10-2004 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
LHG-

Yes - last year or the year before, they published new charts from Little Current to the Bay of Islands; on Turner's website linked above, they are advertising new charts the other way, from L.C. to Clapperton Island. I *think* that's new this year, but I'm not sure.

The Turner map is not a chart.

LHG posted 03-10-2004 03:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I think the area you guys are talking about is on the new McGregor bay chart.
Buckda posted 03-10-2004 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Right Larry - It's on the newer chart (Still not in last year's Richardson's - I looked at West Marine last night).

Detailed charts for Bay of Islands is not included in the BlueChart software that I currently have..but McGregor Bay and on up to North Bay/Iriquois Bay are.

Last night, I charted a course from Killarney, through McGregor Bay, up into North Bay/Iriquois Bay and around North Island, back down to Birch Island (for gas) and then down to Dreamer's Peninsula and Dreamer's Rock, and then back out across Frazier bay (through Hole in the Wall) - back up Lansdowne Channel and back into Killarney. 76 Miles total - Quite a day trip, with 179 Waypoints and course changes. I've saved the chart and can send it to you if you have bluechart compatible software and own the chart for Lake Huron.

John - Yes - I'd love it if you could get me one of the Turner maps (rolled) - let me know what the damage is and I'll provide you with details via e-mail on where to send it (or can pick it up if we will likely see you up there this summer?).

Dave

kingfish posted 03-10-2004 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I didn't know about the new McGregor Bay Chart, I don't think (I'll have to pull out my charts at home and see what I've got, I guess). How new is your McGregor Bay chart? That is clearly the Chart that would show the area Dave and I have been talking about.
LHG posted 03-10-2004 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
John - I bought mine last year, as I think its only 2 years old. It's plasticized like the Bay of Islands chart is too, and can be cut up into manageable sections. I keep mine loose in the Richardson book. I know JimH has one also, as we explored around a little in McGregor Bay ourselves. It's tough to find your way in there without any markers. Lots of hazards. A whole bunch of "event markers" on your DGPS would be one way to make boating in there a lot easier after the first time exploring around.

Up at your place last summer, Outlaw showed the route WAY BACK UP IN THERE, and it is marked on my copy. Looks like great boating. I can send it to you to borrow if you want.

When we do the Georgian Bay Islands trip, this area would be great to include, working out of Killarney.

Buckda posted 03-10-2004 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
There are numerous charts included in the McGregor Bay area in the BlueChart(R) software.

Among them:
CA2205 (Killarney to Little Current (2001 Edition - corrected in 5/2002)
CA2206 - Parts A - K. Published in June of 1997

So the BlueChart software has all of McGregor Bay, last charted in 1997.

See http://www.garmin.com/cartography/bluechart/card.jsp?sku=AMR-US017-4&cd=Americas for more information.

Not sure what the chart number is for Bay of Islands, but it is not included here - that's another chart I'll need to purchase sometime soon.

Dave

David Pendleton posted 03-10-2004 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Alright, you guys can't even decide on a chart to use, what are we going to do out on the water? :)

I'm very concerned about my (very expensive) dual props...

Buckda posted 03-10-2004 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
David -

Not to worry..plenty of bigger boats than yours in those waters.

And we always take it slow when exploring new territory..but you'll find that LHG has something like 80 percent of the water mapped up there somewhere in his GPS unit. LOL

Seriously, 99 percent of the time, you'll be in water more than 30 feet deep, and sometimes as deep as several hundred feet. It's deep water up there! (Don't make me bring my cheetos!)

If Larry has the way marked by Brandon (outlaw)..who is a "local", we're in good shape.

Dave

Rich Wiggins posted 03-10-2004 11:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rich Wiggins  Send Email to Rich Wiggins     
I'm interested in a trek to the north channel (I live in Harrison TWP, MI); I havent read all these threads yet but will catch up.

The only catch is that I was thinking of boat-camping with my family as the "American plan" rates for a family of 6 gets a little ugly.

Rich Wiggins posted 03-10-2004 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rich Wiggins  Send Email to Rich Wiggins     
I just bought a 22 Guardian with a pilot house so it doesn't really sleep anybody. What do you do with the Mills canvas; camp ON the boat?
kingfish posted 03-10-2004 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
We go in and out of McGregor bay all the time - I fish there in the spring and fall - in and out of Birch Island landing on the East side of the highway, Pothole Portage, etc. I don't know what route Outlaw uses to get up into the Iroquois/North Bay area, but as I said above, we have the route and alternates marked on our charts, as well as the cabins and islands of some folks we have gotten to know up in that area.
Barry posted 03-11-2004 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Rich, during both of the trips I went on last year I camped on the boat. With the full Mills canvas up on my 22 Outrage it could sleep a family of six. I wonder if you could still add and use the Mills forward shelter with the pilot house. Another forum member uses a modified 2-man tent that fits behind the leaning post to create an "aft cabin".

Here is a link to a fairly recent discussion that may provide additional information http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006484.html

Plotman posted 03-11-2004 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Are you guys familiar with the Great Lakes Cruising Club - one of the great benefits of membership are the log books (cruising guides), including harbor reports on practically anywhere you can tie up a boat.

We used these extensively when sailing the North Channel and Georgian Bay in the 70s and 80s. In many cases there were no detailed charts available from commercial/governmemnt sources - the GLCC guides were all you had.

kingfish posted 03-11-2004 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Barney Turner of Little Current (see my link to Turner's Store upstream in this thread) is a past Commodore (I think that's the correct title) of the Great Lakes Cruising Club. I'll bet JimH is or was a member. A friend of mine is an active member and he hands me down his old cruising guides whenever he updates; there is an aerial photograph of our island (Neptune)in the section on Sturgeon Cove, a popular anchorage just East of us.

They let people with any old kind of boat in that club, though, even sailboats... ;-)

Buckda posted 03-11-2004 12:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Guess where the Great Lakes Cruising Club Rendezvous is this year???


Killarney.

July 11-15.

We'll be there right ahead of them.

See: http://www.glcclub.com/frame-events.htm

Buckda posted 03-11-2004 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John-

Re-reading this thread and realized that I don't actually need you to purchase a Turner map for me...I'll get it direct from their site. Thanks for the offer though!

Dave

kingfish posted 03-11-2004 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Gotcha-
Let me know before 5/22 if you change your mind.

GLCC rendezvous is apparently going to happen while I'm up there - gonna be long lines at the bus for fish and chips!

LHG posted 03-12-2004 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Until about 6 months ago, the Great Lakes Cruising Club was headquartered on the 15th floor in our office building. Just a small 2 person office. This fine institution should not be confused with the famous Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club, published here on CW, most notable rendezvous taking place at Neptune Island.
kingfish posted 03-12-2004 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Thanks Larry - you're very kind; we have had a lot of fun with both of them and hope to put another together soon, though not this year. I really envy some of the *other* trips the BWGLCC has taken in which I've not been able to participate. Katie and I have certainly enjoyed the weekenders we've been able to join in, but that's probably about as extended a rendezvous as I could interest her in, especially after she broke her hip. I'm hoping I can get dispensation to join you guys on one of the longer ones solo before long.
David Pendleton posted 03-12-2004 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
A bit off-topic, but is anyone here considering the Apostle Islands/Door County this year?

lhg, I've yet to see WhaleLure in the Big Lake...

Dave

Buckda posted 03-12-2004 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Kingfish...I see a partnership of opportunity...you have the right sized boat and need a copilot, I need a bigger boat and am a good navigator...

LOL

I'm ACHING to go on one of the longer trips - (PNW, or this year, Maine...but gotta wait for a bigger ride.)

David -

I'm SURE LHG has been to the apostle Islands - he was telling me about it last year at the NC rendezvous when I told him I was going to last year's event in Bayfield.

While I was very impressed by the islands, and plan a return trip for further exploration and camping, the boating in the NC is completely different in terms of scenery and proximity (Apostle Islands have wide channels of deep water between them....NC has narrow channels of deep water, and you see the islands up close and personal).

Larry - What about the Isle Royale trip?

Anyway...still am very excited about the possibility of this trip...my sketches for the perfect shelter continue...I'm going to take some measurements of the boat tomorrow.....

Dave

kingfish posted 03-14-2004 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Dave-

Don't laugh *too* loud - I think that's a notion worth pursuing. I could see it happening...(you'd have to be able to tolerate my CPAP machine [sounds like Darth Vader sleeping up front] and some scurrying around in the middle of the night due to the diuretic the old sawbones has me taking, though). FLASH! Maybe *that's* why Katie won't sleep on the boat.

Buckda posted 03-16-2004 06:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John -

Let me know...I'll save the complimentary earplugs from my trans-Atlantic flights this summer.

Dave

Rich Wiggins posted 03-17-2004 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rich Wiggins  Send Email to Rich Wiggins     
Thanks for the referral to that other thread.

Since I won't have the time or money to canvass up this year anyway, is there any disadvantage to simply pitching a tent on land? Or will the bears devour me? I've seen pictures of small sailboats camping on the Benjamins and such so I was thinking that maybe that was the way to go.

Thanks alot for the tips.

kingfish posted 03-18-2004 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Louis Kokinis puts up some kind of tent in the cockpit area of his Guardian 22 - he might chime in here, or we can track him down...And I would imagine camping on shore is a possibility in most if not all stops.

Have you heard the one about how to tell Grizzly Bear scat from Black Bear scat? Grizzly scat smells like pepper spray... ;-)

kf

Eagleman posted 03-23-2004 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
As a group are any dates getting firmed up for a North Channel Event? We are interested in anther fun filled WHaler trip! At this point our calendar is open but we need to start focusing on time slots if they have been discussed.
Take care,
Eagleman
Buckda posted 03-23-2004 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Russ -

I'll e-mail LHG directly to see what he was planning, and request that he report back here. I know that it was 9 days and encompassed the July 4th holiday.


Mmm....can already smell the blueberry pancakes...

Tell Paula I said "Hi"

Dave

home Aside posted 03-23-2004 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'm very interested but my problem is that I don't know that I could put together 9 days in a row in July......If I knew the itinerary I might be able to rendezvous with the NC Rendezvous somewhere along the way.....I'll keep track of the post and see what happens....

Pat

home Aside posted 03-23-2004 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Is See that LHG mentioned early in this thread that there may be some BWGLCC action in the NC the first week in August so maybe there is hope for me afterall....I have my summer Furlough for most of the month of August....I'll be watching.....

Pat

Buckda posted 03-23-2004 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

I think the August trip is planned for the coast of Maine.

Judging by the earlier Georgian Bay trip (contained in the sail-logs section of this site), I think we might be able to accomodate a rendezvous rendezvous up in Killarney where you could accomodate us for a couple of days exploring McGregor Bay, Baie Fine and other locales.

If not, you can always join up with the Isle Royale rendezvous...I think they're shaping that up for August.

Dave

Buckda posted 03-23-2004 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Rich -

I pitched my Eureka tent on Neptune Island for last year's event.

At Drummond Island Yacht Haven, Barry was gracious enough to provide me with the starboard "berth" aboard his 22 for the night.

I would not exclude camping out as an option for this trip, though the fact that the group will be transient at so many different marinas along the way may make it a nuisance (pitch, repitch, repitch...etc).

Another thing to consider, and I am speaking somewhat out of school here: my understanding is that at least in the NC, locals generally allow you to camp overnight on land that does not have a cottage/structure, so long as you are camping along the shore (not inland) and stay only one night. This is secondhand information/advice from Brandon (OUTLAW) who lives in Sudbury, ONT and is a regular operator out of Little Current. The exception to this rule is the "first nation" or Indian reserve land.

I also think that in general, most marinas would provide you with a quiet piece of lawn for an overnight stay (sans campfire).

If you decide to do this, once we have plans in place, you'll want to call ahead and clear it - but it is very probable that you can make it work.

Dave

Buckda posted 04-04-2004 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Bump.

Rich -

Just took measurements of Dad's 1984 Guardian 22. A two man-tent should fit in the bow forward of the console. There is no way my Eureka Timberline Outfitter 4-man tent will fit. Since you have a pilot house, not sure if it would fit on yours. Depending on your seating configuration, you should be able to fit a small tent aft as well.

That advice is good as a temporary measure if you'll do some additional tent camping beyond the boat, and don't plan to put full canvas on in the future.

Also to clarify, I don't think we're planning to stay at Mill Lake Lodge (referring to your reference to "the American Plan"). We'll be staying at different marina's/towns on the way up and back down...so you're likely to be able to reserve a hotel room at at least several of the overnight destinations. No guarantees on room/hotel quality though.

Don't let this challenge keep you from planning to attend! Logistics can always be worked out.

--------
It is looking like this might take place in early July. Exact route is TBD, and direction of travel is also TBD. (i.e. starting in DeTour or Little Current and traveling East and South to Midland, or starting in Midland and traveling North to Little Current/Killarney.)


July 3-11 looks like the target timeframe for some sort of activity in Georgian Bay/NC.

Given these more firm dates, is anyone else interested?

So far we have the following tentative attendees:
LHG - (TBD - 18' Outrage or 25' Outrage)
JimH - 20' Revenge
HomeAside - 17' Montauk
Eagleman - 25' Revenge WD
Rich Wiggins - 22' Guardian/Outrage w/ Pilot House
Buckda - 15' Sport

"Possibles" include:
Dave Pendleton - 23' (?) Conquest
Barry - 22' Outrage WD (if he can extend his vacation to meet up with us for one or two days)
JimG - 19' Outrage II
Backlash - 21' WalkAround

If we start at DeTour...a stop at Neptune Island to visit Kingfish at the beginning of his stay (and on our way home) might be on the agenda.

Plotman - you piped in, but did not mention if you were interested in attending with your 22 Outrage. Let us know!

Any more?

Dave

Eagleman posted 04-28-2004 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Just thought I'd kick the tires to see if any specific times or desinations have been determined! It's been pretty quite for several weeks regarding the Great Lakes C/W. The Revenge comes out of winterstorage this weekend, will start clean up and polishing so we make a good showing at the next rendezous! Looking forward to cruise time somewhere. The May cruise won't work for Paula & I, to many irons in the fire until this summer.

Eagleman

Eagleman posted 04-28-2004 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Thats destinations with a "t" -to much time on the water not enough in the classroom.
Eagleman posted 04-28-2004 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Thats quiet not quite-(way too much time on the water).Santa's bringing me spell check for Xmas!
LHG posted 04-28-2004 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
As you can see from other sections on the site, I've been away for a while, but last night I had dinner with JimH, and it still appears that these two weeks originally mentioned, first full week in July, including weekends at both ends 3rd -11th), and the 7th-15th of August are still on for them, with little flexibility. We have agreed to meet that schedule also.

Looking at total responses, and to include as many of the group as possible, the current thought is to do the easier and highly popular Georgian Bay Island trip for the August period. It's looking like 7 or 8 boats could do this and could be great fun to include as many as possible. This would include running from Detour, across the North Channel into either Little Current or Kilarney, depending on weather, than into 5 or 6 days of Georgian Bay cruising to Midland and back, then back accross the NC to our trailers. Some trip, almost all of it in Canadian waters!

With the high price of fuel and long travel time/distance, it appears the trip to Maine would be off.

For the early July trip, we are now seriously considering Lake Superior, a place not previously seen for many. Indications are the group would be smaller, maybe only 4 or 5 boats at most. The thought would be to begin at the tip of the Keewinaw (sp?) peninsula, and with calm weather only, cross the 42 miles to Isle Royale, spend time there, and cruise on up to the "wolf's head" areas of the Northern shore and Thunder Bay, then back again to Isle Royale and back across the Lake. With anticipated water temps in the 40's, this will be cooler weather, wilderness boating. Boating traffic should be light, and in summer, Lake Superior is reported to be the calmest of the Great Lakes! I have been to Isle Royale, and it is one of the great boating destinations of the North American continent, a must see sometime in a boater's lifetime. Bring your Great Lakes downrigger fishing gear, as this is the finest Lake Trout eating in the world, with native run fish still in existance. Because of it's location, it is the least visited US National Park.

Finally, there is a good chance the Charlevoix area of Northeastern Lake Michigan will be a Labor Day 4 day excursion for the BWGLCC.

How does all of this sound?

Eagleman posted 04-30-2004 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Welcome back lhg,
Both trips sound interesting to Paula & I. Thanks for the update, will follow the forum for details. I figured you were on a road trip to/from the East coast, hope things went well.
Take care,
Russ
David Pendleton posted 04-30-2004 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
We'd be amenable to a Lake Superior trip.

Depending on the destination, I would put in at either Duluth or Bayfield. From either of these two ports, I can make it pretty much anywhere on the big lake.

Please keep me posted.

Dave

jimh posted 05-02-2004 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
We love Bayfield as a destination, too.

We love Nanci Griffith. She is playing The Big Top Chautauqau on August 6th!

http://www.bigtop.org/schedule/calendar_event.php?event_id=76

We'd drive all night to see that show!

jimh posted 05-02-2004 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Who is Nanci Griffiths?

http://nancigriffith.com/images/discog/tracks/goodnight.mov

Buckda posted 05-09-2004 01:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat - that makes you available to attend the NC portion if it is in August, eh? We can discuss this weekend in St. Ignace.


Rich - hope youre still considering the trip now that it is in August...the delayed timing gives us time to figure out logistics as well (i.e. reservations at hotels, campsites and marinas along the route).

I think we can start splitting this thread into two then:

One for the July 3-11th Lake Superior Trip and the other for the August Georgian Bay trip.

What do you guys think?

LHG posted 05-10-2004 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
The week of July 3rd-11th is not looking too good, as both JimH and JimG are unable to make it. So it appears this week will drop back a week or so.

This may not be all bad, as this will now allow for a separate July 4th weekend trip perhaps, and then something in the 2nd or third week of July instead. Since I seem to have inherited this job, I'll keep posting updates.

The August dates are solid, so attendees should lock in those vacation days. More and more it's looking like an ambitious trip from Detour Village to Midland and back. It also appears there could be 8 boats or more. Detour seems to be the most centrally located departure place to attract as many Whalers as possible. This one should be a major good time for the BWGLCC members, 100% in the Canadian waters of the North Channel and Georgian Bay, followed up, of course, by one of Jim's "classic" rendezvous articles..
This will be a "must attend" event.

So far the August date is looking like:
LHG (in the '71 if ready)
JimH
JimG
Eagleman
Buckda
And hoping for the following:
Backlash?
Kingfish?
Don Mac?
W Steffans?

So report in if you're committed for August. More information on the smaller July/Superior trip later

Buckda posted 05-10-2004 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Confirmed interest for August - I've just switched jobs and need to confirm with new client calendars...but will do everything in my power to make it.

I am really looking forward to this run.

Dave

Eagleman posted 05-14-2004 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
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Eagleman posted 05-14-2004 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
The August dates work for us, we're good to go!
Russ & Paula
LHG posted 05-14-2004 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Well, then I can taste those dockside blueberry pancakes already! This alone is reason enough to sign up.
Christinee posted 05-14-2004 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Christinee  Send Email to Christinee     
Chris and JimH are on board for Aug 7-15 and for the famous Blueberry
pancakes!
lunchbox posted 05-17-2004 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lunchbox  Send Email to lunchbox     
Hi everyone
I stumbled on your forum looking for a canvas enclosure. I don't have a whaler presently but grew up on one. I have a 31 fountain cc cuddy with twin 250 mercs. I bought the boat to do exactly what you are doing, cruising the north chanel and the flordia keys.I just haven't found anyone doing it. Last year I added Furuno radar, gps, and chart nav and this spring i am adding a full canvas enclosure. I would be very intersted in being part of your group sometime. I know i don't have a whaler and most people lump fountain boats into the go-fast crowd, but i am not the typical fountain guy (no gold chains or swim suits that are way too small).

lunchbox

kingfish posted 05-17-2004 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Hey Chris - welcome to CW!

Katie and I are going to miss the blueberry pancakes again this year I think. We'll be up at Neptune Island July 10-July 17 this year and it'll be hard to get away for another week in the middle of August given other commitments we have had for some time.

Hoping to attend at least one long weekender somewhere (Larry, you're talking about Charlevoix over Labor Day?) with the gang this summer. Katie has not been out in the boat since her injury except to get from Little Current to Neptune and back. I think there's a psychological hurdle for her to jump there somewhere...

Hope to see you guys soon-

John

jonha posted 05-18-2004 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jonha    
how would an old guy with a 15ss fitted out for camping and a 12 gal tank fit in on this event?
Buckda posted 05-18-2004 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Jonha...

The same way a young guy with a 15' Sport GLS does.

:)

(That's me)

You signal your intent to attend, get the information and show up!


Dave

Buckda posted 05-18-2004 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Actually, you should consider bringing two extra 6 gallon cans for reserve capacity...they're less than 10 bucks at Meijer (or Wal-Mart). Bring along extra oil too.

Dave

Eagleman posted 05-25-2004 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
We were wondering if a route has been planned for the August 7th rendezous. Last posting indicated a launch from
Detour Village area then journey to the East. We just found out about a close family friends wedding on August 14th, we were wondering if we might make both events? For us the priority in August is boating, anxious to start nailing this trip down.
Eagleman
Christinee posted 05-25-2004 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Christinee  Send Email to Christinee     
Thats still the plan Russ. I wouldn't count on making that wedding. We'll leave Detour no later than Saturday am and not return until Sunday. The goal is the
small craft route of Georgian Bay, which stretches from Killarney down to Midland. It's quite exceptional boating...you won't want to miss a mile or
minute of it. Hi to Paula...Jim and I are looking forward to boating with you
both again. Chris

P. S. We are also thinking of doing the Door County Rendezvous, possibly
running over from Menominee. Would this be part of your plans?

Eagleman posted 05-27-2004 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Ten Four on the NC/Midland Route and travel time. The DC Rendezvous is in our back yard so to speak. We'll probably be there unless something unexpected happens. Looking forward to seeing you & jimh. Regards, Russ & Paula
Hoosier posted 05-31-2004 02:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Both those trips sound great. I don't think I can do them in my fishing boat, a Montauk with a little Honda 50 on it. One question: don't we need to have full FCC VHF radio and operator licenses since those trips are in international waters?
home Aside posted 05-31-2004 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Well........I think I can almost confirm that I'll be attending this year...My wife has a family reunion near Traverse City at the start of this rendezvous and has said she doesn't mind if I skip her family reunion and attend.....I'm hoping to bring my 12 year old son with me.....after viewing previous photo's of NC Rendezvous' he says it looks "COOL".....
Which brings to mind that I will probably put him through a marine safety power squadron course beforehand, I'll attend with him for refreshers....
The only other hurdle left is Vacation time off work which I usually have no problem getting in August.....it's just a formality waiting for vacation postings after all the requests are in......
I also was wondering about radio licensing for Canada

talk to you soon

Pat

Buckda posted 06-01-2004 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

You putting Canvas on the Home Aside?

Look forward to seeing you up there in August!

Dave

Buckda posted 06-01-2004 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hoosier -

Go with your gut, but the group cruises around 24-28 MPH. If you can keep pace, you should be fine...remember..it's not the size, but how you use it! I went in my 15 last summer.

This summer, I hope to be there in my "new" 18.

Dave

Buckda posted 06-01-2004 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Let's start solidifying specifics now that we're just over 2 months out.

I assume we'll need to reserve marina space ahead of time, given the likely size of our group?

Reading back through the thread, here's what it looks like for likely attendees. Please advise if your plans have changed and you would like to indicate confirmation of your attendance, or change your status to tentative or not going:

1. JimH and ChristineE in Jim's "new" boat (I'll keep your secret for a few more days Jim)
2. LHG - in his "new" 21 Outrage
3. Eagleman - in his 25 Revenge WD
4. Home Aside and son in Pat's 17 Montauk
5. Buckda in his "new" 18 Outrage


Tentative:
Lunchbox? In his 31 Fountain???
David Pendleton in his 23(?) Conquest with I/O
Backlash in the 21' Walkaround?
Don Mac?
W Steffans?
R. Wiggins in his new Guardian with Pilot House?
Jim Gibson in his 19 Outrage "Memory"?
jonha in his 15, winning him the title of smallest Whaler in the group this year?

Kingfish is out, and so is Barry because of timing.

Others who are interested, keep in mind that you can join up with us at any point along the route, just keep watching this thread for details and itineraries.

Cheers!
Dave

Hoosier posted 06-01-2004 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Well, I guess I'm out for this year. I can barely get up to 30 mph at WOT in ideal conditions, which are very rare. I run with a composite prop due to the recent low water in the St. Mary's River; I average a blade a season. I'll watch the thread and see if I can link up at the start or end of the trip. I fish DeTour Passage a lot in early August.
Buckda posted 06-01-2004 11:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hoosier -

It's up to you...it's not that we'd leave you in the dust if you chose to come along.

Have you considered bringing another prop? 110 bucks or so for a Michigan Wheel aluminum, and you can bring along your comp prop as backup. The water up there is deep, so there's little risk of losing a prop.

I'm suprised you only hit 30 MPH top end with your set-up. If you really want to come and need to lighten the load, you can distribute some of your gear among the other boats....this was an option that was available to me last year, but was not needed. I won't speak for the group, but I can take some stuff along in my 18 to lighten your boat's burden to help you run with the group.

I'm not trying to push you, but after seeing this area last year, I can honestly say that if there is any chance you won't be able to go another time, take this opportunity. It is some of the most beautiful country / water up there. Truly a boating experience that should be recorded in a magazine article.

Dave

home Aside posted 06-02-2004 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Buckda,
Did I miss something....did you buy an 18 Outrage since we were in St. Ignace??????? If so you sure work fast...........let me know....

Pat

jonha posted 06-02-2004 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for jonha    
I know that this is a beautiful trip because I spent one week aboard the Georgian Clipper two years ago in this area. But cruising at 24-28mph for any long time in my 15ss is not fun. Looks like I will have to just putt around lake Champlain which isn't half bad. stay safe and I know you will have fun.
Hoosier posted 06-02-2004 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Buckda: I plan on putting the original Honda prop on the next time I'm in the UP, probably Father's Day weekend, and seeing how she does. The Honda prop has a cleaver blade style so it should give me better high end performance.
Has anyone researched my Marine Radio license question? I tried but couldn't get more than a quote from the regulations. If I have to get the licenses it's around $120...
Eagleman posted 06-02-2004 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
1990 25' Revenge WT/WD- We're In! Standing down until further notification!
Hoosier posted 06-05-2004 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
If you want to start from the Soo this is their new marina's website:
http://www.kempmarina.com/
A route to the North Channel could be up over the top of Sugar Island, down Lake George, through Bear Lake (north end of St. Joseph Island) and into the North Channel.
David Pendleton posted 06-05-2004 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dave--did you ever get the picture I sent you?
Buckda posted 06-09-2004 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Larry -

Any suggestions on daily targets in terms of ports? I think we should begin to think about making some sort of reservations, as it looks like we will have at least 5 boats, and perhaps quite a few more.

Thoughts?

David - I did get your photo (of the Devil's Island Light?)


Cheers!

Dave

home Aside posted 06-14-2004 06:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Bump
Royboy posted 06-15-2004 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
O.K., I'm taking a "get as ready as you can and wait and see what the weather does" approach, but we are tentatively a go for the NC trip (or at least part of it)in our 130 Sport. This will depend on how well I can get it shook down for big water, how comfortable I can get with the boat, and of course, the weather. Heading for da U.P this weekend for the first shakedown, so that should tell me quite a bit about what my boat will reasonably do, and how ready I am for this.

Roy "I know it sounds crazy" Burmeister

Buckda posted 06-15-2004 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Finally, someone as loony as I am!

Roy - welcome to the club. I think you should consider joining the group for the "protected water" portion of the trip down the side of Georgian Bay - perhaps starting at Killarney - to avoid the open water sections.

Larry, Steve, or Jim G, Jimh - thoughts on the feasibility/advisability of a 130 in those waters? What about "legs" for distance between ports? From the chart, this looks workable for Roy if he remains flexible.

Dave

jechura posted 06-15-2004 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for jechura  Send Email to jechura     
Are their firm dates on the north channel trip and it's
itinerary.
Could be interested in joining.

85 22OR


Jerry

Buckda posted 06-15-2004 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Jerry -
The dates are finalized - August 7 - 14
Itinerary and ports of call have not yet been set...But you can pretty much count on this: August 7 - transit from DeTour Michigan to Little Current or Killarney, Ontario via the North Channel. Route TBD based on weather, wind and waves - either across the north shoreline, Blind River, Spanish, etc...or along Manitoulin Island.

That will get us started...and the rest is still to be determined.

Okay...so the count has gone up in the Maybe category:

Confirmed:
LHG (18 Outrage or 21 Outrage - boat unconfirmed)
JimH (Revenge)
Eagleman (Revenge)
Buckda (18 Outrage)
Home Aside (17 Montauk)


Confirmed, with possible cancellation due to weather:
Royboy (Sport 130)

Tentative (UNCONFIRMED):
Lunchbox (Unknown)
Backlash (21 WA)
jechura (22 Outrage)
Rich Wiggins (22 Guardian with Pilot House)
David Pendleton (23 Conquest)
Jim Gibson (19 Outrage)
Hoosier (17 Montauk)

Any other biters?
Anyone I missed?

Johnha (15 SS - Hey John - RoyBoy is planning on coming in his Sport 130...if you change your mind, let us know!)

Hoosier posted 06-16-2004 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Since the trip is leaving from DeTour, I recommend a visit to North Country Sports (www.nocosports.com), about a block south of the new ramp and marina. They have all the US and Canadian Charts for the North Channel. You're also going to need an off-site place to park trailers, they may be able to help with that. The DNR enforces the parking regulations there because of the heavy use by salmon fishermen(people?).

LHG posted 06-16-2004 01:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I know that JimG is a definite for the trip also. Don M has indicated he may consider it also.

The dates are August 7-15. I think we need a new thread for this specific event, so I'll start one.

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