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LHG posted 06-16-2004 03:07 PM ET (US)   Profile for LHG  
This event, sponsored by the Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club, will be held beginning Saturday August 7 through Sunday August 15th, ending about 2pm, so participants will have a chance to drive home Sunday afternoon/evening. Some may arrive early afternoon on Friday the 6th. This will be one of our most ambitious, and best, trips ever.

Origination of the cruise, almost 100% of which is in Canadian waters, begins at Detour Village, in the Michigan U.P., and will make it's way across the Lake Huron North Channel, past Killarney and in to northern Georgian Bay, then down the east shore 30,000 (actually more like 85,000) Island Small Craft Route to Southern Georgian Bay, to Midland and/or other Southern ports. Then return back the same way, but probably alternating overnight ports of call for variety. This is spectacular fresh water boating (the finest in central North America), sight seeing, and eating. Truly fresh fish abounds, from the local boats to the dockside restaurants.
We go with the flow, and what people are interested in doing and seeing.

This is primarily for Whalers equipped for all-weather protection and sleeping aboard, usually 18 Outrages up to 25's, but since all nights are in Marinas with complete "facilities" and nearby restaurants, it is probable that any not sleeping aboard could find accomodations at local motels and resorts on short notice. How fancy they would be, I don't know, and you would be on your own! There are a lot of local advertizing "free" tourist guides to be picked up along the way that could help locate places to stay. Fuel is readily available, but a boat should have a cruising range of 75 miles or so, to avoid time consuming unnecessary stops and slowing the group down.

The general rountine, (highly refined over the years!) is to, first of all, go with the weather and wind. This rules on big water, however much of the trip is in highly protected waters and the weather during this "high season" time is generally excellent. Other than that, we generally pull into a marina (sometimes called ahead) around 6 PM, get settled in, cocktails/appetizers on the dock and in the boats (sometimes rafted) and dinner in a local restaurant. In the morning most are up and about by 8am, some with coffee pots plugged in to shore power, and sometimes Russ (Eagleman) and Paula with their famous skillet blueberry pancakes. Other times it's breakfast in town or nearby. By ten or eleven, it's off for the next port, and a day of cruising, island hopping and rafted-up lunch in some protected cove, bay or island. Then in to the next night's marina or town.

Possible ports of call will be Drummond Island, Northernaire, Gore Bay, Blind River, and Little Current on the North Channel, and Killarney, Britt/Byng Inlet, Pointe au Baril Station, Snug Harbor (definitely for fish), Killbear Prov Park, Parry Sound, Henry's @ Frying Pan Island, South Bay Cove, Honey Harbour, Midland and Port Severn. Obviously we can see all, but can't stay at all.

These trips are non-stop FUN, with great people, highly experienced in these rocky waters, and wonderful surroundings. Guaranteed to be the best pure boating trip you have ever taken. It's amazing how much fun can be had on trailerable Boston Whalers. I urge interested parties to review Jim's Sail Log section for his articles on Whaler cruising, and particularly, the Georgian Bay article.
This is where we will be.

Recommended publications are Lakeland Boating's Lake Huron Ports O' Call Cruising Guide, and Richardson's Lake Huron Chart Book, and of course, a Canadian courtesy flag. It is guaranteed that this fleet of Boston Whalers will be an attraction wherever we go, and of course, attendence will guarantee you're part of one of Jim's famous published documentaries on the trip.

Besides our esteemed website host, it currently appears as though there will be 6-10 Whalers on this trip. Currently Eagleman will be the flagship, with his 25 Revenge WD. For any of our regulars here, outside of the Great lakes region, I urge that you consider a vacation like this. You won't be disappointed. About 75% of the cost of a trip like this is fuel, both for trailering and on the water. Overnight docking fees are minimal, and food is reasonable. The valuation of the Canadian dollar helps too.

So that's the deal. Looking forward to seeing everyone.

LHG, (Your Cruise Director

Buckda posted 06-16-2004 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Thanks Larry!

Count me in; 18' Outrage, Mercury propulsion.

Do you think with this many attendees, we should call and begin to make reservations, or do you think we'll be fine calling ahead the day before? (Concerned about space at the marinas).

Dave

Eagleman posted 06-16-2004 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
lhg,
Paula & I have the dates blocked off on our schedule, we are ready to go! Last year was our first trip on these waters on board our Whaler, the trip was just great!
Russ & Paula
David Pendleton posted 06-17-2004 10:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The Apostle Islands get-together is the weekend of August 7-8. We've committed that.

This is a long-shot, but if I were to launch from Detour, Monday AM sometime, where would that put the rest of the fleet? Would I stand a chance of meeting up with you? I can cruise at 30-35 knots if I have to; my fuel tank holding 125G.

Dave

Backlash posted 06-18-2004 08:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Dave,

Just guessing here, but assuming the group launches late Saturday afternoon from Detour, the first night would probably be spent on Drummond Island. Getting a late morning start from Drummond, stopping at Blind River and general sightseeing, Little Current would probably be Sunday night's overnighting spot. As I recall, it's about 110 miles from Drummond to Little Current.

So, to answer your question; the group will probably be in Little Current Monday morning.

Steve

Christinee posted 06-19-2004 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Christinee  Send Email to Christinee     
Hey Steve,
Glad to hear Backlash will be back in the North Channel again this year.
Jim and I miss seeing you guys...winter is just to long in these parts!
Say Hi to Carolyn and see you in Detour. Chris
jimh posted 06-19-2004 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
David--You could trailer past Detour and launch at Little Current. This would catch you up is a hurry. You'd have to enter Canada at the Soo with your boat on the trailer, and take Hwy. 17 east to Little Current. It is not a bad drive. We've done it about twenty times.
Backlash posted 06-21-2004 07:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Hi Chris,

A belated welcome to the forum!
Yes, we are hoping to make the trip again this year, but may meet the group somewhere along the way...Killarney?
We miss seeing you guys too - Carolyn says Hi!
Anxious to see the "new" boats in the fleet.

Steve

David Pendleton posted 06-21-2004 04:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dang it all, anyway.

I've just got way too much going on this August. I'm already in the hole vacation-wise and it's not even July.

Put me down for next year.

Have fun.

Dave

jimh posted 06-24-2004 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The conditions in the North Channel can be rather intimidating, particularly if a strong westerly is blowing. It is seventy miles of open water, and it can get rough.

Here is a GLS-15 running in a larger boat's wake in what were really rather modest seas for the North Channel:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/movies/154.mpg

Buckda posted 06-24-2004 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
While I agree that the North Channel is a tough bit of water for a 13 or 15 foot Boston Whaler (that's me in the above movie), by the looks of the charts, perhaps some of our smaller brethern could join us for the small craft route portion of this trip.

Much of that route appears to be in completely protected waters behind barrier islands. Perhaps when we have an itinerary planned, people with smaller boats could tag along for the days when we will be along the Georgian Bay Small Craft Route?

Royboy posted 06-24-2004 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
O.K., I watched the movie and I'm convinced Dave may not be pulling with both oars all the way in the water, but I think we might be able to do some of the protected waters if the weather cooperates. Most likely, it will be a launch and run out and join the fleet for a brief "yep-I-ran-with-the-big-whalers" jaunt. I'll have to do my homework on this one though.
Buckda posted 06-24-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Time to delete that movie! :)

That was one day out of seven, and was really only for the last stretch of the trip from Blind River, Ontario, to DeTour Michigan....across the open section of the North Channel!

Both oars are fully in the water...

Dave

Buckda posted 06-24-2004 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
http://continuouswave.com/sail-logs/gb2001/

For those of you thinking about this trip, the above link will serve as a good primer on what to expect, and should help you determine if your boat is up for the task.

I recommend purchasing a Richardson's Lake Huron Cruising Guide and Chartbook to help you make your decision.

Regards,

Dave
"the crazy one"

home Aside posted 07-08-2004 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
There was some brief conversation at the Port Huron get together last weekend regarding paperwork needed to satisfy U.S. Customs / Canadian Customs when cruising at the BWGLCC North Channel Rendezvous in August.
Could someone go over the explanation once more as to what paperwork is needed, where to go for it, cost, and how long it takes to process it ? Thanks,

Pat

Buckda posted 07-08-2004 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

It's simple - bring your proof of insurance, a copy of your title and your registration.

If you cross the border by boat, you will call Canadian customs on a designated phone at the first marina we stop at (last year, it was Blind River, and there was a sign next to the pay phone with instructions).

They make it VERY easy, and thereby encourage compliance. The US system is more complex and, in my opinion, defeats the intent by discouraging compliance.

Basically, my call when like this:

Me: Good morning. I'd like to report a remote border crossing from Michigan, via boat. I am calling from Blind River Marina, Ontario.

She: Good morning sir and welcome to Canada. What is your citizenship?

Me: I am a US Citizen.

She: What is the length of your vessel?

Me: Fifteen feet.

She: Fifty feet?

Me: No one-five, fifteen feet.

She: (incredulous) Okay sir, how many crew crossed in your vessel.

Me: Just me.

She: And what is the registration number on your vessel?

Me: IL XXXX YY.

She: (repeats numbers), is that correct?

Me: Yes Ma'am.

She: Okay sir, What is the purpose of your visit?

Me: Vacation

She: ..And how long will you be in the country?

Me: X Days, I'm leaving on August X.

She: Do you have any firearms aboard your vessel?

Me: No.

She: Any alcohol?

Me: I brought a 12-pack of Labatt Blue.

She: Okay sir, Here is your (whatever they call it...essentially it is a confirmation number). Please keep this number aboard and with you at all times because you will need it if stopped by any authorities.

Me: Okay.

She: Thank you for calling sir - and have a great vacation.

Me: Thanks!

Truth be told, I also bring my passport, just in case, but have never, ever needed to use it in at least 20 crossings via both automobile and now, boat.

I follow a slightly different procedure when returning to the US.

kingfish posted 07-08-2004 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
If you have a passport, bring it with you; if you don't, bring a copy of your birth certificate. Under normal conditions they'll ask for photo ID, like your driver's license, but it has been advised to me to have one or the other of the previously mentioned articles as "proof positive". I have my birth certificate in the vehicle whenever I cross the border.
dfmcintyre posted 07-08-2004 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pat -

Even though I've lived along the border for almost 35 continuous(wave?) years I've rarely been asked for my passport. Even since 911, there are times that I've forgotten to bring it.

...'course the carrying the creds from our line of work help...

D

home Aside posted 07-08-2004 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I've done the procedure Buckda describes many, many times when I cross from Gibralter, Mi to Amhurstberg, Ontario by boat. I was pretty tired when the conversation was going on, but I thought there was mention of a quick registration procedure, to ease the entry to Canada and the return to the U.S. Maybe I misunderstood, maybe Don was talking about people who were crossing the border by car frequently from home to work and back....

Pat

home Aside posted 07-08-2004 06:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Out of the hundreds of times I've crossed the boarder between Detroit & Windsor, I've never been asked for ID or searched.....and I don't have a Passport... I just don't want anything to interfere with my travels on this rendezvous....

Don

Looked at the Northernaire Resort on line......Nancy and I think it looks like a great spot

Pat

Buckda posted 07-08-2004 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

There is an application for a Remote Area Border Crossing (RABC) which can be used in remote areas like the boundary waters in upstate Minn. and the Wilderness out West, but really , this was designed for people who may spend days in the country before they reach civilization to contact customs. I had originally inquired about this for last years event, but after the trip, I realized why it was really not necessary for the way this group crosses. It should not be a problem without a passport, I just have one, so I bring it.

Like Don said, your law enforcement credentials will probably assist you in the unlikely event that they show a special interest. Again, it is very unlikely.

Dave

Yiddil posted 07-09-2004 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Geeeze, Id give my eye teeth to haul my Nantucket up there and join you all:)I guess Im not sure is shes big enough for the kind of water your all talking about. Most of what I boat is on the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay...but I wasn't to thrilled about 4 footers two times Ive been out(once on the river, once on the bay) The Nantucket took the water well, but Im not sure the people liked it much:(Im just not into pain:) I have a FOrward dodger for shelter and a Bimini, wondering if that would be enough????out there....We had a great get together on the Potomac for the 4th of July, it rained and blew all day long...4 of us rafted up ina side creek of a bay off the Potomac and still manged to have a great time....SO whats ya think,,,Can a Nantucket with some shelter handle this trip????
home Aside posted 07-10-2004 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
If a 15 Whaler can handle it (Last Year Buckda did it) I'm sure a Nantucket can....I'm making the trip in my 1982 Montauk 17, I just got home from a 16 hour shift and promptly opened my Mills Forward Shelter, Fly top, and Windshield which arrived yesterday afernoon.....come on and join us...

Pat

Hoosier posted 07-10-2004 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
From the radio traffic I heard last week in the Detour Passage it seems that the rules have changed recently re reentry to the US. Here's the url for US Customs:

http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/leavingarrivinginUS/reporting_requirements_pleasure_boat.xml

Bottom line is that unless you have pre-registered using a special form available at bridge crossings, you have to physically check in. You can't do it by radio anymore. For this trip that means going into Drummand Island Yacht Haven.

Buckda posted 07-12-2004 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Yiddl -

If you're serious about making it up for the trip, please do! There are two confirmed 18/19 Outrage boats coming, and rumor of at least one other. And, as Pat said, he's making the trip in his 17!

Dave

Barry posted 07-12-2004 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Here are a few pictures from my trip to Collins Inlet a couple of weeks ago. These scans really don't do the scenery justice.

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The air up there is crisp and clear. The sky is blue. A lot of my pictures look like postcards. Fishing was great. We saw a variety of wildlife including bear, mink, and deer. We saw deer swimming twice. In fact I almost hit one swimming across the Inlet one morning when I was running into the sun.

Water is up about a foot over chart datum. Gas was $1 Canadian per Liter at the Killarney Mountain Lodge dock.

Yiddil posted 07-12-2004 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Hmmm...Im thinking about it real hard....From Washington DC...trailer the Nantucket might take a bit of driving...not sure how long.....and that may be my hardest job with a finiky back.......Ill need to do more research on how to get there...etc...but Id love to do this...let me take a closer look...Thanks Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
Buckda posted 07-13-2004 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Yiddil -
You're looking at a minimum of about 13-15 hours in the car to get to Tobermory (Unless you drive like Kingfish, then figure 10 hours, plus 1/2 an hour for your speeding ticket...sorry John, I couldn't resist!), where a lot of the guys are thinking of starting (Tobermory, Ontario to Little Current to join the main group to continue down the Georgian Bay Small Craft Route).

I believe you'd cross into Canada at Buffalo and run across and up to Tobermory from there.

I'm driving about 10-11 hours too...so it's not that outlandish to consider and worth every moment.

There are also individuals from Wisconsin who are confirmed to attend, driving about 10-12 hours, and even a hearty Minnesotan is mulling the idea as well. (The Twin Cities are at least as far as the DC area). Basically, I'd say that this is a do-able trip for those who want to attend if they live in a rough circle stretching from Thunder Bay, Ontario; the Twin Cities area in MN; Cedar Rapids, IA; Louisville, KY; The DC area; and even some of our VT and NH members; to the Montreal area in Quebec. It's a long day of driving, but worth every moment once you're on the water.

We're about a month out, so be sure to ask your boss for vacation time, if necessary! (If you're self employed, the boss is your wife).

:)

Dave

Eagleman posted 07-13-2004 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Are plans for a departure out of Detour,MI similiar to last years, I saw the tentative cruising route posted earlier have there been any changes? Looking forward to this cruise!
george nagy posted 07-13-2004 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Larry how far of a drive would it be from my neck of the woods? Wife and I are dying to get out of this heat for a while!
home Aside posted 07-13-2004 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
At the New Whaler coming out event in Port Huron July 4th....the departure destination was pondered at some length....Detour Village is the original departure location, as it was last year, but Tobermory, Ontario was discussed because some of the persons interested in coming couldn't leave Detour on the departure date Aug 7th, so they thought they would drive ahead to Little Current and catch the Detour group at that location on August 8th. At the end of the discussion a firm decision had not been made.

I'm a first timer and I can go either way, Detour, Mi or Tobermory, Ont. I believe the run from Detour, Mi would be a great experience, I know I could do it alone with proper preparation, but common sense tells me isn't something I should do by myself or with inexperienced company. I believe the drive, mileage wise, is about the same for me whether to Detour or Tobermory. So I'll go with the popular vote of the experienced veterans of this rendezvous.

I'm really looking forward to this trip....I missed it last year because of prior commitments and was beside myself for having missed such an opportunity....anyone that signs on will not be dissappointed...

Pat Henahan

Buckda....did you install your canvas yet ? I got mine on Friday and plan on doing the install tomorrow....let me know any ideas you have regarding installation...

Pat

Buckda posted 07-13-2004 05:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I think because of the size of this group, we're looking at descending on Little Current from all points of the compass!

I know Eagleman was considering driving to Little Current.

Some from Eastern Michigan and Ohio are considering launching at Tobermory and boating up to Little Current (about 50 miles via water).

LHG, myself and others had originally planned to launch at DeTour and make the run to Little Current (about 110 miles via water).

There is some debate amongst those experienced with the North Channel and Georgian Bay about how the run will affect the pace of the remainder of the trip.

Here is how I figure it -

If we launch at Tobermory or at DeTour on August 7, we won't be in Little Current until late in the day on August 7...coming from DeTour, it is about a 7 to 8 hour run, from Tobermory, it's probably about 3 hours (i've not done this before).

No matter what, we're all meeting in Little Current - this because it is more convenient for our attendees from the northwestern great lakes states - Wisconsin and Minnesota.

No matter what, the group won't depart Little Current until Sunday, August 8. Right? So I think it's pick your choice. I plan on the return trip from Little Current to *Wherever we decide to launch from* on Sunday August 14, with the return drive late that evening and into the early hours of MOnday morning.

It is about a 9 hour drive from Chicago to DeTour...it's about a 10-11 hour drive to Tobermory, so it does not make much difference for me, other than boat fuel consumed on the 110 mile run.

The DeTour run requires more challenging logistics for customs, however; especially upon reentry to the US.

I am open to either option, but would really like to try to run from DeTour again. I know that LHG wants to do this also, as does a member who has not yet confirmed his attendance - because of geography.

Russ, I know you and Paula are going to meet everyone in Little Current either way - so we'll see you there! Please have the blueberry pancake mix standing by. :)

Pat: I'll post tips on installing Mills Canvas in the GAM.

Buckda posted 07-13-2004 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Correction - I posted it in the Repairs/Mods forum, since it probably fits there better than the GAM.

Dave

LHG posted 07-13-2004 06:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
The main reason for the Detour village take-off point was to accomodate Eagleman, and to save the Chicago contingent 2 hours of driving time, and of, course, to take advantage of the North Channel scenery. (Otherwise we'd start this whole trip in Midland and go the opposite way) Additional boat gas is the trade off. The run up to Killarney from Tobermory is a wilderness trip, and exposed to some serious open water at places. The drive from Port Huron up to Tobermory is a long one, longer than it looks, more like 5 hours unless you do it in the middle of the night (which makes a lot of sense actually).

Should Tobermory be the departure point, and with Eagleman trailing their boat to Little Current, I would say Killarney should be the first stop, skipping little Current altogether. So Russ, things are pretty much up to you. We can talk about it this weekend.

George, we'd love to have you join this trip, and you would not regret it, either. Basically, you would get on I-75 and take it to the Mackinac Bridge, about 30 Hours driving time at 60 MPH pulling a boat. That's about as far as you can go in a North-South direction in the US! Is that 18 set up for sleeping aboard?

Maintenance note: The waters around Britt/Byng Inlet are heavily tannen stained, and will yellow your unpainted hull.
So be sure to have Starbrite's Instant Hull Cleaner, in a spray bottle, with you when you retreive your boat after the trip

leapinlunker posted 07-14-2004 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for leapinlunker  Send Email to leapinlunker     
We are heading up to Georgian Bay on July 30 in our 332 Chris Craft. We typical tow our Dauntlass 15. Our itenerary takes us to Kilbear Marina on August 1, weather permitting. From there we will spend the next 2 weeks winding our way to Kilarney. Perhaps we will see some of you during the voyage. Next year we may try the trailer boating trip with you in our 24 Outrage. Good Luck to all and smooth seas.
dfmcintyre posted 07-14-2004 06:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Yddil -

If your coming through Buffalo, your best bet would be going to Toronto, then go due north from there to Sudbury.

Go west from Sudbury to Little Current and meet with the group.

You save a few hours of driving and save either the ferry ride from Tobemory to South Baymouth or the crossing of 50 miles of open water between Tobemory and Killarney.

For virtually all the cruising in that area, you can be within 1/2 - 3/4 of a mile of land, except for crossing the North Channel.

If you need further info, please feel free to email or call me.

Don

home Aside posted 07-18-2004 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Greetings Ladies and Gentleman of the B.W.G.L.C.C.....
I figured that since this post was related to Rendezvous' and in particular this Rendezvous it would be ok to publish it here
As a new associate of the B.W.G.L.C.C. preparing for my first extended cruise at the North Channel / Georgian Bay Rendezvous Aug 7-15, I'm looking for input and ideas to make the trip as comfortable and enjoyable as possible. I'm wondering if anyone has ever put together a list of things necessary and/or unnecessary to bring along.
It looks like I may end up solo as my Son has some plans that overlap the rendezvous.
Anyway, one thing I've thought about, taking into consideration that I have a Montauk 17 with limited storage, is should I leave the extra PFD's (4 type I's)I generally carry at home and if anyone wishes to cruise in my boat for a while have them bring / wear their own ? Should I bring a second battery, even if not wired in ?
So if anyone with some thoughts, tricks of the trade, space saving ideas they'd like to share I'd appreciate your input, either here or e-mail me, thanks in advance...

Pat

Barry posted 07-19-2004 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
This topic may help http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004547.html .

I would leave the extra PFDs at home but would consider bringing the extra battery.

I assume you have a cooler in front of the console. You may want to consider an additional cooler behind the RPS for more dry storage although large Tuperware type containers will work. I suggest a dry bag or two for your clothes.

Here's what I took last time:
* papers including proof of US citizenship, boat registration, etc.
* $$$ (I paid mostly with credit cards and converted very little cash to Canadian)
* clothes (in a drybag)
* foul weather gear
* sleeping bag (in a garbage bag to keep it dry)
* sleeping pad (ThermaRest or air mattress. If air mattress bring a foot pump.)
* food for breakfast and lunches (stored in cooler)
* drinks, primarily bottled water (stored in other cooler)
* fishing gear
* safety gear
* tools/spares kit including extra prop(s)
* first aid kit
* bug spray
* sunscreen and lip balm
* hat(s) and sunglasses
* camera(s)
* LED flashlight(s)

Buckda posted 07-19-2004 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

The extra large duffel-style dry bags from Cabela's (about 28 bucks each) would be great for storing your stuff. During the day, you can lash these to the deck/bow eye - or even in the back similar to your safety gear bag. At night, you can use bungees and hang these outboard your bow rails. There are two "D" rings on the bags that make this very easy, and I tested mine by dunking them under water. If you hold them under, a very little seepage will occur, however, I would imagine that even the most driving rain will not penetrate these bags and get to your gear at night.

Depending on how the shelter is set up on your Montauk, you may even be able to mount them inboard the railing and between the rail and the shelter.

Also - don't forget extra batteries for everything (handheld VHF, Flashlight, etc).

The reality is that we're not going to be in true wilderness during our overnight stops, so you will likely have access to the basics either at the marina store, or at a nearby store in town - although you may have to pay serious mark-up on items you forget, they will be available.

I'm planning to make a note of all the fuses and lamps in the boat and buy a back-up for everything.

Also, don't forget your basic toolkit - vice grips, screwdrivers, crescent wrench, small hammer, duct tape, plastic ties, etc.

I'm planning a "dry run" the weekend before the trip to figure out how everything will fit and where it will go so I'm sure it will all go in there!

Also - found out this weekend that the Mills shelter, while quite dry still will allow some water into the bow area if you take a wave on the nose...so dry bags or water resistant material is important for anything on the deck that is not in a cooler.

Larry's suggestions in the link provided by Barry are all good - and I can say that it is unlikely that I'll have anything extra that he hasn't already thought of.

Drop the PFD count to two vests and a throwable (in case we get rain and you get one wet for whatever reason, wearing a wet vest is no fun, in my opinion).

You may already have organized your coolers...when TropicalSun sold me the Gambler, he pointed to the four coolers aboard and said: "This one is for safety gear, fire extinguisher, PFD's, flares, etc. This one is for operations: Electronics storage, driftsocks, tools, spare parts, extra line, etc. That one is for Ice and Fish, and that other one is for beer."

I'll be modifying those last two..one will be for drinks for the week, the other for food and other dry-storage that may be necessary. The anchor is on a mount on the bow, and the anchor locker has fenders and extra line...it may also store some additonal gear if I can figure out what fits well there.

The idea of a cooler behind the tanks(RPS) is a good one - I'm debating putting a 5th cooler on the boat for dry storage for this trip (my SS Coleman).

Just remember how you load the boat - you'll want to have most of your gear in the car for the ride up, and will want to be able to load the boat quickly and efficiently at the ramp. I recommend a test run with the boat fully loaded also, to make sure you have your weight distribution how you want it. Nothing worse than a loooooong boat ride in rough water with your weight distribution all wrong, and /or holding up the group to make adjustments (though we'll wait fo you without complaint!).

See you in three weeks!

dfmcintyre posted 07-19-2004 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pat -

I've got a large dry bag that you can borrow if you want. We could either meet 1/2 way, say Mt. Clemens, or since you'll be heading up through PHN on the 6th, I'm just 60seconds off the end of I94.

Don

home Aside posted 07-20-2004 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Dave,
thanks for the reply and the insight...

Don,
Thanks for the offer, I do have one dry bag, I was also in Boat US today and saw an interesting storage dry bag made for the bow of inflatables....It isn't quite square, and not triangular, but it is a dry bag, measuring approx 24" wide at bow, 30" Wide midship (if you will), 24" long, and 10" thick.....it has a zipper closure with storm flap on the 30" wide side...it has straps on the four corners for securing in the bow.....I thought It might work well for my Montauk....I was thinking I might buy it for keeping my sleeping gear secure and dry while underway....

I'm planning to start my bow platform extension, I can get Teak for $11.00 a foot, and Mahagony for about $6.50 a foot, I want to do it right, but then again I probably will end up using it only about two trips a year.....Home depot has a good price right now on some very nice Cedar Decking 6/4" X 6" X 12' for $15.00, I would need three 12 footers to do the job... for the price, what do you think ?...considering I'll only be using the bow platform extension periodically and the rest of the time it'll be stored in my garage, out of any weather, it should last....I would never dream of replacing permanent teak wood features with Cedar, but what do you think for a seldom used item like this ?

home Aside posted 07-20-2004 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Don,
I forgot to say I'll let you know about the dry bag, thanks again...

Barry,
Thanks for the information, are you going on the BWGLCC North Channel Rendezvous ?

Pat

Royboy posted 07-20-2004 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Has an itinerary been decided upon yet? I'm trying to schedule my mid Summer vacation time, and I may be able to join part of this if I know where the "Fleet" will be. It looks like the beginning (7/7, 7/8) would be the likliest time for me to be in that area.

Roy

dfmcintyre posted 07-20-2004 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pat -

Check your email.

190

home Aside posted 07-25-2004 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Well Folks....
It's getting close, maybe we should start making a list of who's going and where they plan on launching from, Detour, Tobermorey, Little Current ? And when they plan to launch... As I said in an earlier post, I can go with the flow......I'd really like to go from Detour, but if the majority is planning on going from Tobermorey to have more time for the Scenic part of the cruise, I'm in for that too...
Another thought that came to mind, based on limited space for storage on my Montauk 17, is Duplication...that is...since we're cruising in a fleet, if (for the sake of conversation) I'm bringing a Battery Charger, maybe no one else would need to bring one, thus saving storage space. If someone is bringing a complete set of tools, maybe I'll just bring some basics, If someone is bringing a Coffee Pot, maybe I'll leave mine home and I'll supply the coffee...just some thoughts on storage issues....any ideas / input...
Looking forward to seeing everyone in August...

Pat

Backlash posted 07-26-2004 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Pat,

I am assuming you, LHG, and Buckda will be launching from Detour Village and Eagleman's big 25' Revenge from Little Current. Carolyn and I are still planning on launching at Tobermory and rendezvousing with the group at Little Current/Killarney.

TOOLS: I will be bringing a complete set of tools as well as SS fasteners, electrical connectors, and 12-V cordless drill.

COFFEE: I will be bringing my shore power cord and 10-cup coffeemaker as well as a single-burner butane/propane stove and tea kettle for (gasp!) instant coffee. I am considering a small percolator as well. I need that "jolt" in the morning to get all bodily functions running smoothly!

BTW, cedar for your bow platform extension sounds fine. When finely sanded, stained, and varnished it can look very much like mahogany or teak.

Battery charger?

Steve


Eagleman posted 07-26-2004 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Hey Guys,
Just got back from a week on the boat. I spoke with lhg in Door County and expressed that I had thought about a Little Current launching point. However I'm waiting to see if the group still is going out of DeTour. Maybe we can refinalize the plans yet this weeek, looking forward to the trip.
Eagleman

P.S. The boat is running really well!!

Buckda posted 07-26-2004 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Gambler is almost ready for this trip -

I just have to mount and re-wire the GPS plotter and connect the VHF.

I hope we can determine starting point this week (as well as departure time), as I will be out of town early next week and will only have two days to pack for this trip.

I will leave Chicago on Friday night after work and drive the 10 hours to whichever point we decide to launch from (DeTour or Tobermory).

I am making the following assumption: Saturday will be a day for the participants to rally at Little Current, where we will then begin the cruise "proper" on Sunday morning.

Given this, the cruise will end on the following Saturday evening at Little Current, leaving Sunday for the return trip home. IS THIS CORRECT? My plans will be affected (in terms of launch location) if it is not.

Pat - I don't drink coffee, so you and Steve are on your own in that department, but I guarantee you this. Follow Steve in the morning if you want to find coffee. The man needs his coffee, man! I think we found a stray power outlet in the boathouse at Drummond Island Yacht Haven last year so he could have his coffee. Otherwise, I am open to suggestions on how we can conserve space and reduce total "tonnage" on both our boats.

Russ - does your post mean you are considering a launch at DeTour?

Regards guys...only 9 1/2 more work days to go...

Buckda posted 07-26-2004 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Please post a reply if you plan to attend this event:

So far, it looks like we have at least 7 boats:

1. Eagleman with his 25' WhalerDrive with twin Mercury power
2. JimH with his 22' Revenge with Evinrude (Johnson?)
3. Backlash with his 21' Walk Around with Yamaha
4. Jim Gibson with his 19' Outrage with Yamaha
5. LHG with his 18' Outrage with twin Mercs
6. Buckda with his 18' Outrage with Mercury
7. Home Aside with his 17' Montauk with Evinrude (Johnson?)

Time to let the group know if we should expect you or not! Let us knwo if you plan to come on this exciting trip.

Kingfish - since your trip to the cottage was cut short, will you be joining us?

How about you Roy?

Mike - I know you continue to lurk and try to convince yourself to come...how about it? Let's make it a trifecta of classic 18's there eh!

kingfish posted 07-26-2004 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
You guys are killing me! I don't think I can do it, unless I manage to pull off a shortened version where I run with you for a day or two, maybe at the bottom of the Georgian Bay; not even real optomistic about that though...

If in fact it turns out that I *can't* make it, it'd tickle me to have you guys all show up out at Neptune Island and present yourselves as a delegation from Classic Boston Whalers checking to see how my cousin Frank who is up there now for the rest of the summer is taking care of the Montauk I spent the winter and spring working on. He'd get a kick out of it.

Pat - how are you doing with your G-chart quest?

John

cheesehead posted 07-26-2004 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
I just got word of this trip and have a chance to make it if my work ok's it. I have attended many of the Erie trips and would love to join in on this one. Backlash spent some time on my boat at Erie and told me this is the best trip he's been on. I have the 22 Revenge w/ twin Hondas. I need to know where you are leaving from. Hope to see you all. Please e-mail me the itinerary when it is set in stone.
Swellmonster posted 07-27-2004 03:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
If I can talk In-her-Net into this one this year, you may have some Florida folks again, but with my boat... :)


Pat

Royboy posted 07-27-2004 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I have that week off and I'll already be in the North country, but not sure If I can catch up with you guys or not, but if I do it will only be to say howdy and check out the fleet; I'm not prepared (or equipped) to run with the pack. An itinerary would help though.

Roy
130 Sport
"Ichthus"

Gep posted 07-27-2004 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Dave,
I'm still trying to work things out.
I have some work and canvas issues. (sorry about the "issues" thing jimh)

Mike

Buckda posted 07-27-2004 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Mike -

Those are challenges Mike....challenges...

...to be overcome!

Let us know!

Looks like more than seven boats then....but currently unknown as to who will actually make it beyond the core group of seven.

Roy and Cheesehead - not sure that there will ever be a "set" itinerary except for beginning and end goals - I believe that the day's destination is often set at dockside the evening before, and sometimes that morning; depending on weather, the group's condition; etc. Perhaps we should determine the VHF channel the group will monitor in advance to see if you can raise us via VHF.

I'll let LHG determine the Rally Point and date and the dispersal point and date - generally speaking it will be either Little Current, or Killarney (about 10 or so miles via water from each other) and it sounds like at least the rally point will be on Saturday with the final, overnight berthing TBD at either Little Current or Killarney.

With seven boats and possibly more, our overnight stops may be TBD based on marina capacity for our little fleet! (this is a good challenge).

Chesehead and Mike - I hope you can make it.

John...come on...you know you want to meet up with us :)

Yiddl - haven't heard from you lately...still mulling the drive?

Anyone else?


Swellmonster posted 07-27-2004 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Don "In-her-Net" is saturated with work and is unavailable to do the event, which pulls the plug for me.
Pout-pout! Ill try again next year, have a safe one.
Gep posted 07-27-2004 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Dave,
Pretty rich coming from a guy with a brand new full Mills canvas set. :)

I did call Mills today and inquire about just a forward shelter, sun top, and windshield and the girl said about 10 days.
I'm supposed to call the boss in the morning and see if I can get it faster.

We'll see.
Mike

LHG posted 07-27-2004 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
A few things are definite now. We know that JimH, Backlash and JimG are definitely launching at Tobermory and cruising the 60 miles up to Little Current, for a late Sat Afternoon arrival in LC. Obviously, anyone wishing to trail into Little Current can do that also.

So that leaves myself, Buckda, Eagleman and HomeAside yet to be determined if Detour will be the starting place, or whether we will "give in" to the others, drive the extra three hours, and go to Tobermory! Soon, we should have a response

Buckda posted 07-27-2004 07:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Great Larry -

Thanks for the response.

I still vote a strong "DeTour" opinion, however will acquiesce to the desires of the rest.

Regards,

Dave

Mike....Bob at Mills is likely to be able to help you out - but the shipping will be the slow point, followed by the installation - that takes time man! You may be up pretty late on Thursday night to make it happen.

Let us know!

Dave

dfmcintyre posted 07-27-2004 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
I'll keep lurking to see the schedule, as Walt Steffen's and I are planning on going up to Tobemory, crossing on the 7AM ferry to South Baymouth on 07/14. Our vacation time at Northernaire Lodge (www.northernairelodge.com) starts that Saturday.

Someone should figure out what discrete VHF channel could be used, and post it prior to trip time. Both Walt and I can set our radios to scan.

Don

home Aside posted 07-27-2004 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Don,
I take it you mean 8/14/04.....if not you're a couple of weeks late.......hope you got my e-mail, thanks again for the offer...talk to you soon....Regards,

Pat

dfmcintyre posted 07-28-2004 07:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Um....yep, it's August 14th for Walt and I.

Don

Eagleman posted 07-28-2004 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
LHG,
I want the B.W.G.L.C.C. to know regardless of the launch point "R Time" will be in Little Current on Saturday August 7th. Paula & I are looking forward to seeing everyone on the trip. Launching from Little Current is just a consideration, honestly DeTour works just as well for us. See you all soon!
Russ & Paula
Backlash posted 07-28-2004 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Larry,

I think it makes perfect sense for you, Dave, Pat, and especially Russ to launch at De Tour Village and make the 110 mile (as the crow flies) run to Little Current. Russ may even prefer to launch at Little Current.

For Carolyn and I it’s a 10 hour drive to either De Tour Village or Tobermory. We would prefer to launch at Tobermory only because the run to Killarney (as the crow flies) is only 50 miles. We were also considering spending Saturday night in Tobermory and heading to Killarney first thing Sunday morning. We would also have the option of catching the ferry to South Baymouth and trailering the boats to Little Current if the weather really turns bad. Why not rendezvous in Killarney since the De Tour group will be heading that way eventually? Why not meet for lunch (fish & chips!!!) at Herbert Fisheries?

At the first NC/Neptune Island Rendezvous in 2000, we spent the last night in Killarney at the Sportsman’s Inn. I distinctly remember it blowing like the devil all night. Carolyn and I left Killarney around 7:00 AM (before the wind and seas had picked up) and pulled into Tobermory in under 2 hours. This can be a fairly easy run with the only open water the main channel between Tobermory and Fitzwilliam Island.

Looking forward to seeing old friends again (and hopefully meeting some new ones!) and enjoying a relaxing cruise of beautiful Georgian Bay.


Steve


home Aside posted 07-28-2004 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hello All,
As I said I'm game for departure from either location. Buckda did make a good point regarding choices of Departure points, WEATHER!! We will be keeping a close eye on the weather forcasts throughout the week before departure,and then make a departure decision. Obviously for a Montauk 17 the 50 Mile run from Tobermory will be easier than a 110 mile run from Detour, especially if it gets a little testy out on the water.
From a budgeting standpoint, anyone have any idea the cost for parking truck and trailer for the week (if there is one)? Actually,If I were to depart from Tobermory I'm OK because I can park my Truck/trailer in my cousins driveway about two blocks from the launch.
Also estimate of nightly dock fee's for 17' Whaler with no electricity/water ?

Thanks in advance

Pat

Backlash posted 07-28-2004 03:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Pat,

I believe the charge for parking the vehicles/trailers at De Tour Village was $10 for the duration. As I recall, this spot was about a mile from the launch ramp, but seemed like three!

Parking at Tobermory was free and just a couple of blocks from the marina at Tub Harbour.

Generally the docking at most of the marinas will be from $1.00-$1.25/ft. Canadian. The one exception (that I can think of) is South Bay Cove Marina in Honey Harbor @$1.40/ft. with a 30 foot minimum...which translates to $42.00 Canadian! IMO well worth the expense as this is one of the finest marinas we have encountered in all our years of crusing. As you pull up to your slip, dock hands swarm all over the boat securing dock lines and adjusting the aluminum sliding cleats to your satisfaction. Each slip has electrical, cable TV, wireless internet, fresh water, and pump out facilities as well as daily newspaper delivery!

http://www.southbaycove.com/

Steve

Buckda posted 07-28-2004 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat, if you already have a Michigan Parks pass on your vehicle, there is a DNR ramp about 2 miles before town (DeTour) - very rustic but a nice ramp and a dredged channel. Last year I parked my truck/trailer there all week without incident (for free). I didn't worry about the rig at all.

The city ramp is nicer (more like the one in St. Ignace) but will cost you the $11 bucks for the week. Not a big deal at all, really.

I wouldn't worry too much about the weather at first - it is most likely that you'd be going into a following sea on the way to LC, since the prevailing winds are out of the North or West....it's coming back when we could face a stacked sea.

Generally speaking though, early August has fine, calm weather up there, and it should not be a problem.

Regards,

Dave

Gep posted 07-28-2004 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Larry and Dave,
If you launch from DeTour, when would you be there?
Can you give some kind of itinerary to meeting up with the rest of the fleet.
I'm still considering coming but I wouldn't really dig the extra 6 hour drive to Tobermory.

Dave, I couldn't get the canvas in time. Prodution people out and shipping time queered the deal.
I would have to be canvasless.

Mike

Buckda posted 07-28-2004 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hi Mike -

Knowing Larry - it's likely that we wouldn't leave DeTour (or Drummond Island) until late morning on Saturday.

I am driving up overnight on Friday night after work and sleeping aboard the boat probably either at a rest area on the way up, or at DeTour.

(Pat - do you think your buddy might have an open night at his place in St. Ignace? - we could all three meet there late on Friday night and drive over to DeTour (about 45 miles) on Saturday morning).

I plan to be in the water and ready to go by 10:00 AM on Saturday. I'll then probably try to raise Larry and Pat on the VHF and "play it by ear" from there. It will probably take me about 2 hours to get the boat prepped and ready to leave, and then another hour or so to get the trailer/truck stowed at the mile-away parking lot and pay the marina for the parking.

I hope to be underway by late morning - stopping at blind river or somewhere for lunch after clearing customs.

Larry, Russ and Pat - what are your thoughts?

Dave

Buckda posted 07-28-2004 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Mike -

Sorry for the double post - but no need to drive to Tobermory -
If you missed us at DeTour, or can't make it that early on Saturday, you can drive to Little Current - about 2 1/2 hours further, and beat everyone.

We'll likely stop for fuel at Spider Bay Marina in Little Current, even if the group decides to overnight at Killarney on Saturday night. Let me know, I will make a point to stop and look for you there if that's what you decide to do.

Regards,

Dave

kingfish posted 07-29-2004 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Small clarification: Sault Ste. Marie, Ont. is 180 miles from Little Current, and while I suppose it's theoretically possible to cover in 2-1/2 hours by averaging 75 mph, I've never been able to do it and I've tried pretty hard.

Better to allow 3-1/2 hours from The Soo to LC plus whatever the difference is *to* The Soo from the route you would have taken to Detour.

Wish I was going...

Buckda posted 07-29-2004 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Thanks for the clarification John.

Difference from Sault Ste. Marie and DeTour, if taking US Highway 2 across the UP is nominal - like 10 miles, though customs can also hold you up a tad.

(I believe it's 45 Miles from bridge to bridge across the eastern UP, and it's about 35 to 40 miles to DeTour).

I still think you'd beat everyone by going that route if it was necessary, because clearly you can't run your Whaler at even 55 MPH across the North Channel.

Dave

Eagleman posted 07-29-2004 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
B.W.G.L.C.C.
One of the reason's that we are considering launching in Little Current is that fact that both Paula and I have to be back home for Monday Aug.16th A.M. obligations.If the weather on the 15th is bad, we have the truck/trailer in Little Current to get home. It's a longer drive for us but allows a little more flexability to our plans. Any thoughts from the group.
Russ
kingfish posted 07-29-2004 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Agreed - I've never been able to do that either, though I have averaged just over 20 mph for the round trip by water...
kingfish posted 07-29-2004 10:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
agreed with Buckda - hi, Russ-
Buckda posted 07-29-2004 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Russ -

It is an excellent point that you make; Mike - perhaps you should also consider this given your need to be back for work on Monday AM too.

(I do to, but I'm a glutton for punishment, and have a marginally shorter drive)

Christinee posted 07-29-2004 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Christinee  Send Email to Christinee     
Hi Guys!

Jim and I being smack dab in the middle between Detour and Tobermory
have the most options. We have chosen to go the Tobermory route because
like Russ and Paula we have to be back to work Monday am. The North Channel weather is notoriously fickle and we'd rather not chance so much open water.
So we will be either driving up Friday night after work and a) catching
the afternoon Ferry to South Baymouth or b) driving Saturday am and catching the evening Ferry. We could also c) join Steve and Caroline and
do the Tobermory-Killarney crossing.
I prefer joining the group in Little Current for many reasons. With so many boats in our group this year Spider Bay has the most dock space to accomodate us. It is the natural gathering point for for Russ and Paula if
they drive and for the Detour group who have the most miles to cover.
Steve and Caroline can join up at any time between LC and Killarney. (JimG
we have not heard from you yet?)
And last but not least, I love the miles between LC and Killarney! The Lansdowne Channel holds many special memories for Jim and I from our sailing days. I propose a Saturday PM rendevous at Spider Bay. What say everyone?
Kingfish, I am sorry you won't be joining us for this epic voyage...but I
am looking forward to the Labor Day Rendevous with you and Katie in Charlevoix.
My bags are packed I'm ready to go......
Chris

LHG posted 07-29-2004 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
I believe JimG and Backlash are the only ones definitely committed to boating from Tobermory to Little Current. This is a distance of about 60 miles. Killarney is closer at 45 miles.

The question for the Illinois and Wisconsin contingent, with Tobermory not making much sense due to 11 hour driving time + long customs lines at Port Huron, is to launch at Detour, or drive to LC. And I have another, really good, idea, one I now actually think I would like to do. Launch at Blind River, which puts us right into the prime, protected areas of the North Channel. That's a good compromise between great boating time and lousy driving time. Looking at a map, the distance by water is a lot shorter than by land. Why pass up the best the North Channel has to offer? Dave and Russ?

We can be at Blind River by 6am Sat, since I like to drive the backroads at night when there is no traffic. And I know a great island where we can raft up for lunch on the way east!!

LHG posted 07-29-2004 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Further to the above, if we go in at Blind River, we can then make Killarney for our Sat night stay, either at "Freds" ( see Jim's 2001 narrative) or the Killarney Mountain Lodge. They have a nice restaurant and good bar with folk music entertainment, and Killarney is lot more fun than LC.

This will also make it easier for the Tobermory group, since Killarney is closer. Then we will have 6 days for GB, three days down, and three days back, with an overnight in Midland on Tuesday. Back to either Killarney or LC on Friday night, with Saturday for exploring the eastern NC region. Tobermory people could spend Sat night in LC, then head back down Sun morning.

I would like to go to Northernaire Sat night, and meet up with Don and Walt etal. I've always wanted to make an overnight stop there. Then it's an easy run across the channel back to Blind River Sunday morning, getting on the road by 11. Sound good? Don, what do you think, and can we get dock space for the night on our boats?

I wish the Tobermory group would consider doing this also.

All of a sudden, I now see a clear picture

Buckda posted 07-29-2004 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Larry, that sounds like a good compromise, and one that I am willing to consider.

It also provides us a good compromise on the "open water" portion of the trip, given that there is only a few stretches that are exposed to the "full fury" of the NC if the weather turns lousy.

It does commit us to the north shoreline of the channel no matter what (preventing any visit to the communities along Manitoulin Island on the way there or back), but sounds pretty good to me, as I really wanted to see the Whalesback Channel again.

Do you want me to contact Blind River Marina to determine if there is long-term parking for our cars/trailers?

Mike, Russ and Patt - what do you think about that?

Dave

Buckda posted 07-29-2004 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Scratch that..didn't notice the Northernaire lodge overnight...sounds like a fantastic plan, as I was hoping to explore McGregor Bay also if time permits!!!

Larry...really great compromise....

home Aside posted 07-29-2004 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hello BWGLCC,
As I've said before, I'll go along with the majority. While 415 Miles from Detroit area to Blind River (based on road atlas figures) compared to approx 310 miles from Detroit to Tobermory, makes me want to opt for Tobermory and being on the water sooner, but I don't want to miss out on the scenery of the North Channel either. Seeing as it appears we will be spending a majority of our time cruising Georgian Bay, maybe the only time I'll get to really see some of the North Channel will be if I put in at Blind River with Larry and Dave....Decisions, Decisions.....

Dave,
I can check with my buddy about the St. Ignace house for the night on Friday....I'm sure he will let us have it for the night if it isn't already rented....What time are you Chicago Folks leaving on Friday ? He'll probably let us have it for the same rate, but for only one night we'll probably have to kick in for the maid cleanup....still cheaper than Motel.....

Pat

Buckda posted 07-29-2004 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Northernaire Lodge rates for dockage are $12 per day - I think that is acceptable if they have dock space for our little fleet.

Pat -
If we're trying to launch from Blind River at 9:00 AM, that may not be do-able (i.e.- blind river is about 2 hours from St. Ignace...that's a pretty early morning after a very late night.

At this point, I'm revising my thinking if we go to Blind River, and will just drive all night, putting me into Blind River between 4 and 5 AM...I can take a three hour nap at the Marina and be ready to go with the group. Rough night, but I'll definitely sleep well at Killarney, after I have a bite of Hebert's fish from the bus that evening!

My challenge is that I kill an hour just picking up the boat...I'm going to see if I can store it at a friend's closer to the highway next week to allow me to just grab it and go on my way through SW Michigan along I-94.

I don't know when Larry and Susan will be leaving Chicago, but something tells me that he may get out of the city ahead of me on Friday; though I drive faster than he with the boat in tow, so I may catch him somewhere (probably at the Canadian Border).

Larry, now when you say "9:00 AM" are you talking local time? Remember, that's 8 AM for you, me and Mike!

Mike - this is a good development...it adds a couple hours of driving for you, but it also gives you enough time to make it home on Sunday night around Midnight (Me too!) so we can work in the morning.

Pat - I hope you still choose to come to Blind River - it is seriously worth the run through the Whalesback and "Little Detroit," seeing Aird Island and all the rest. Plus, I want to see Frenchette Island - for sale for $900K...(yeah, not really in my price range).

Russ and Paula - hope this is a good compromise for you too...no matter the weather, this should not be too bad, adn if the forecast is bleak, you can return through the Whalesback / northern Route to Blind River without long exposure to open water.

Dave

Gep posted 07-29-2004 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Dave,
I just made my decision tonight, and I'm definately in!
I looked up the mileage on Mapquest the different drive times and there is no way for me to make it back home by midnight.
From St Paul, MN to:
De Tour Village 11.5 hrs / 556 miles
Blind River 15.5 hrs / 622 miles
Little Current 17.5 hrs / 709 miles
Tobemory 17.5 hrs / 971 miles

I hope they are way off in their estimates.

I will probably take off about 9:00am on Friday and hopefully get to Blind River by midnite.
Geez, I got alot of stuff to do before Friday.

Mike

Yiddil posted 07-30-2004 02:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Sorry, been away at the deach in Delaware the last two weeks:) Its hard being retired...Im a ruined man...Ill never work again and glad to be retired.....Im going to pass on this one, as Im concerned about making this long drive on my own ( a bit of a tender back still from back surgery)Im sure "Das Boat" (my Nantucket would do just fine) but the drive might not be fun alone. I also need to check with mills about more canvas, as I only have the forward dodger...its weird, i have the dodger, and the bimini, but the bimini dosnt have any kind of attachemnt for the middle window, no zipper nada, but the dodger has a ziper and male thingies on either side...Ill call um and see what they say....

But I dont wanna take the chance on the drive per doctors orders at this time...but next year...Look out......THanks and have a wonderful and safe trip:) Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

home Aside posted 07-30-2004 02:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Yiddil,
Sounds like you have the Mills Sun Top, it doesn't have zippers/fasteners for attaching windshield to forward shelter, side curtains, or aft curtain, You need to order a Fly Top thats the one that comes with the zippers/fasteners for the rest of the set....
Sorry you can't make the trip, take care of that back and enjoy your retirement, we'll look forward to seeing you and your Nantucket next year...

Pat

Buckda posted 07-30-2004 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Mike -

Glad you can make it...I'll pull in to Blind River and look for your rig and probably sidle up next to yours to wait for the ramp to open.

My experience with MapQuest (driving to Texas) this spring was that it's probably right on if you've got a wife or kids in the car with you (i.e. stopping for potty breaks, etc). I really don't stop to eat a big meal, rather I snack in the car throughout the day and typically stop one additional time per tank other than for fuel except when towing, when I can make it through a tank before I need to stop too. This means that I considerably improve on the times given by them; however towing a trailer does mitigate that some due to the decreased speeds when towing.

I would expect that you'll be able to make it across in somewhat less time than they have given - provided there is not a back-up at the border.

Remember, in Canada, a flashing green traffic light means go faster! (just kidding)

Dave

Plotman posted 07-30-2004 11:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Mike-

I made the drive from the cities to Mackinac a number of times when I lived in the cities - it generally took 8-9 hours. You will be twoning a trailer, but 29 from Chippewa Falls is now 4 lane divided and 65mph most of the way across.

Eagleman posted 07-30-2004 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
I'm agreeing with lhg the Blind River would work for "R Time". We will start planning for the launch to happen at Blind River Saturday morning August 7th. Will post our iterary for Fridays travel when determined. Anxious to cruise!
Russ & Paula
Eagleman posted 07-30-2004 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
Thats "itinerary", I hope I can read a marine chart better than I proof my posting! I may get some spelling's incorrect but we'll get the blue berry pancakes just right----
kingfish posted 07-30-2004 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Bluberry pancakes.....Oh, man, I'm dying!!
Yiddil posted 07-30-2004 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
oh please dont say blueberry pancakes again:(
Gep posted 07-30-2004 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Blueberry pancakes...HMMMM
I just had to do it.
Gep posted 07-30-2004 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Thanks Plotman,
Mapquest had me going two different ways when the end destinations were basically the same.
How exactly would you get to Blind River from the Twin Cities? Where would you get off of 29.

Mike

LHG posted 07-30-2004 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Blind River it is, but where did this 9 am departure come from? Not me! I figure if we get going by noon or 1 that will be fine. We are going to try to get out of Chicago before two, to beat the huge traffic jams in Indiana.

Mike, it's great that you will be coming, but in an open boat? I'll be anxious to meet you and see that 18, which has made it way from Ft Lauderdale, to JB and then up to you?

Paula's blueberry pancakes on the dock will alone be worth the trip!

John - How do we talk you into this? Some things one just has to do when the opportunity presents itself (like buying a 21 Outrage, maybe!!). Not getting any younger, you know. Less important things (which everything else is when compared to this trip) just have to be put aside for a week. The funny thing is, a month later, nobody, including yourself, will know the difference. Now that you know the final plan, go for it and join us! You've spent too much of your life up there not to have seen Georgian Bay Islands

Gep posted 07-30-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Ok Larry, now you've got me nervous again.
Is an open boat a big problem?
Mike
macsfriended posted 07-30-2004 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for macsfriended  Send Email to macsfriended     
I just ran across this thread and it looks like a great time. Its too late for me to get my act together for this year; and, I will monitor this site re: 2005.

I am in suburban St. Louis, MO and curious if I need to be a member of the BWGLCC to cruise and party with you all??? What other red tape do I need to satisfy before next year's cruise???

Is there a BWGLCC web site or similar I can keep an eye on???

I have a '76 Newport.

Bon Voyage and happy fish frys.
Ed

dfmcintyre posted 07-30-2004 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
All -

Northernaire for a Saturday night overnight will not be a problem. At that point in the season, they will be starting to pull the little fleet of row/fishing boats. And the large docks are empty. Walt and I stay on the smaller docks, right in front of the shed. Go to www.northernairelodge.com and look close in the aerial photo for the the bait shop that's right along the breakwall, across the drive from the lodge. That's where Walt and I dock. The larger docks can handle six boats.

If anyone has one of those Georgian Bay / North Channel cruising guides...the one that has the aerial photos of harbors, look for Northernaire. Ther aerial photo has our boats still on the trailers!

Don

PS - Did anyone ever decide on what descrete VHF channel the group will be working?

Backlash posted 07-30-2004 06:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Larry,

I believe the 9:00 AM departure time came from "Gambler"...I think he's getting a little overenthusiastic! Noon or 1:00 PM sounds more realistic so everyone can take it easy on the way up.

Mike, glad to hear you will be joining us! An open boat is not a problem unless it rains of course. Couldn't you hook up some type of make-shift tarp for sleeping?

John, Larry's right - life's too short. Certainly you can slip away for a few days...or week. Everyone would sure like to have you join us.

Steve

Buckda posted 07-30-2004 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Larry...uh...perhaps a bit of dyslexia and confusion combined? I guess I saw your "we can be in Blind river by 6AM" post and somehow translated that to 9 AM departure.

That makes it a bit more palatable and do-able!

Pat - let us know if your buddy has a vacancy in St. Ignace, as that would be a great stopping point - even for Russ and Paula, Mike, and Larry and Susan.

Mike - agreed with Steve - open boat is no problem if you're willing to get a little wet if it rains. I know you already have a plan for sleeping aboard.

So, it looks like we have 9 Boats confirmed to meet in Killarney on Saturday evening:

From Blind River:
Eagleman in his 25' Revenge with WD
Cheesehead in his 22' Revenge (?) - help me out here Cheesehead, are you coming,and starting from here?
LHG in his 18' Outrage
Buckda in his 18' Outrage
Gep in his 18' Outrage
Home Aside in his 17' Montauk

From Tobermory or Little Current:
JimH in his 22' Revenge with WD
Backlash in his 21' WalkAround
JimG in his 19' Outrage

That's 180 feet of Boston Whaler in Killarney on Saturday night! (More if you factor in brackets and WhalerDrives) Those guys are going to love us.

Looks like the motor count will be:
Mercury: 5 motors
Evinrude/Johnson: 2
Yamaha: 3
Honda: 2

Eagleman posted 07-30-2004 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
For the sake of Kingfish I want to digress just a little. Kingfish these aren't just blueberry pancakes served A.M. dock side these bad boys are pancakes made with really fresh blueberries, real maple syrup and lots of melted sweet cream butter. I'll figure you for a couple of stacks, pack your duffle bag and join us!!
Russ & Paula
Buckda posted 07-30-2004 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John....um...I think Tobermory should be in you future...like seven days from now, eh? Those blue berries will be sizzling in Killarney...probably get yearning glances from those guys in their million dollar yachts too.

Do I need to bring my earplugs and stop by BC on my way up?

Looking forward to seeing everyone.

home Aside posted 07-31-2004 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH Boy,
I thought being out on the boat for a week would lead to a little weight loss, but it's sonding like that might not be the case. I might have to run down to Eastern Market today and pick up a jug of fresh Maple Syrup.
I'll be posting some photo's later today of the Cruise rigging of my Montauk 17, I'm feeling quite good about it if I must say so.....

According to the Road Atlas it is approximatly 127 Miles from St. Ignace to Blind River. For those of you coming from Chicago, Minnesota, Wisconsin, I have a friend who has a vacation rental in St. Ignace, Mi (which is a mile east of the Mackinac Bridge/I-75) If the folks from Wisconsin, Minnesota take US 2 across the U.P. it's convenient, If they take US 28 across the U.P. it's not. Anyway depending on how many we have, I can look into renting my friends 5 Bedroom/ 2 Bath vacation rental (looking out over the water to Macinac Island) for the night of August 6th, it would be $100.00 (split how many ever ways) + maybe $5.00 each for maid / cleanup (my friend usually includes maid / cleanup in cost of rental, but his usual minimum is 2 days) Depending on your departure times, it might be an option for a good nights sleep with a short drive in the morning to Blind River. We stayed there in May for the St. Ignace Season Opener Rendezvous, and I think Buckda will agree it's a nice place. So anyone interested can let me know and I'll check with my friend regarding availability....just an option to the straight through dog tired drive.....let me know...

Pat

home Aside posted 08-01-2004 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hello All,
I'm not a WWW wiz kid, I've been looking for the name of the ramp / marina/ parking that we might be using in Blind River and I can't find much.....has anyone launched there before ?
I would imagine since LHG conceived the Blind River Launch that maybe he has been there before.
I'm trying to put together a Float Plan to leave with my family since we're going to be going in all different directions that week, I'd like to know the name, address, & phone number of the launch/marina in Blind River.

LHG, I know everyone is probably rushing to get ready to go, but if you could throw together a quick itinerary as to where we may be each night of the trip I'd appreciate it. I hope I'm not being a PITA for you at a time when you're probably busy, but with young kids at home, I'd feel better and I know Nancy would feel better if she knew where to get in touch with me......or begin the search....
Also, does anyone have any idea if there will be Cell Phone Service in NC/GB area ? Or would my cell phone be just another skipping stone ????

Any information would be appreciated.....We also need to decide on a Marine Channel we'll be using.....Are most of us using our screen names as call signs ????

I'll start the list

Pat Henahan 1982 Montauk 17 Home Aside Reg#MC 7542LH
Cell#1-248-892-8580

Barry posted 08-01-2004 06:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Pat,

For general info on Blind River check out http://www.blindriver.com/ . I assume you would launch at the Blind River Marine Park http://www.omoa.com/listings_marina.asp?myNav=11&mid=299 .

I sure wish I was going.

cheesehead posted 08-01-2004 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
I just got the word today that I will be able to attend. I will be bringing two of my best friends along. My wife is 3 months along with our first one and I can not risk her safety. My travel plans are also going to be difficult to figure. I can be at any of the above mensioned places by Fri. night but my delema is that I can not stay the entire week. I need to be back at work at the latest thursday AM. I am in central Ohio so it is at least 10 to 12 hrs drive. My main concern is leaving the group and heading back with no other boat. I have never been in the Bay but understand it can be difficult. Can any of you seasoned vets help me out. The Tobermory crew is not leaving until sunday AM. I would like to start on saturday so I am considering the Blind river. My question is if I head out alone on the return which would be the safer route? I am good with the GPS but have not yet purchased any charts yet. I wish we could stay the week but feel lucky to be there at all. Thanks for your help and can't wait to see you all. I will post my final plans later in the week. My boat is currently on a mooring so I will be very busy geting ready for this.
Gep posted 08-01-2004 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Pat,
I also have been wondering about pretty much all of the same info as you described for the exact same reasons.

Mike

home Aside posted 08-01-2004 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Barry,
Thanks for the links.....by the Way are you coming to the BWGLCC North Channel Rendezvous ???? You've come through for me on two of my posts here....I'd sure like to meet you....your input has been very helpful.....thanks again....

Pat

home Aside posted 08-01-2004 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
OK this one is for LHG & Susan, Gep, Eagleman, Buckda, Cheesehead and anyone else coming up to launch at Blind River from Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Chicago, Detroit, etc, etc.....
I talked with my friend from work who ownes a nice 5 bedroom / 2 bath vacation rental in St. Ignace, Mi off U.S. 2 about 1 mile east of I-75 looking out over the water at Mackinac Island. The place is available for the night Friday August 6th. He usually rents a minimum of two nights, but he is willing to rent it to us for one night as a stop over on our way to Blind River. It's approximately 127 miles from St. Ignace to Blind River.

The cost is $100.00 and we pay the maid service to do the laundry / cleanup after we leave, I figure $30 - $40 will cover that, we can split the costs between all of us. He also asked if anyone might be interested for the night on the way back through from the rendezvous. I told him I'd let him know. He prices the place to rent cheap because he wants to develop his rental clients, and is looking for word of mouth quality rentals....don't let the low price fool you it's very nice

There are three bedrooms with Queen sized beds, One bedroom with Twin Bunks, a fifth bedroom with foldout couch, and a very large couch in the living room. If I'm not mistaken there's LHG & Susan, Gep and Eagleman are bring their better half's (sorry I don't know all the names yet), so that makes at least three couples, Dave & I are solo and we can take the Bunk Beds, and that leaves the fold out couch bedroom and the couch. It's a nice place, full kitchen. You won't find a Motel / Hotel as nice for anywhere near the price, so it's a cheap comfortable stopover for the night with a relatively short drive in the morning, so you'll be fresh for the Launch at Blind River.

So sound off and let me know if you want to do this and I'll make the arrangements.....Hell if you got there early enough on Friday you could take a quick cruise out to Mackinac Island

Pat

Gep posted 08-01-2004 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Pat,
I would up for it if everybody else is.
By the way, I will also be flying solo. My better half and halfettes will be staying home.

Mike

Buckda posted 08-02-2004 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

I'm in - I'll be arriving late (around midnight or so), but I know where I'm going in the house, so if you leave the door unlocked, I'll just let myself in while you all sleep the slumber of a long drive!

I've already made arrangements in lower michigan for the way back. (further, closer to home).

Well....Let's just call a station: How about CAN 18?

Can we agree on that?

Cheesehead: I recommend you drive to Tobermory and take the ferry to LC and put in there...that way when making the return run on your own, you won't have a lot of open water to cross.

I'm running out of town right now to a meeting in Minn/St. Paul (Hi Mike). I'll be back tomorrow afternoon and will check in then.

Dave

Backlash posted 08-02-2004 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Dave,

Good tip to Cheesehead on taking the ferry.

Everyone,

Here's a link showing the 7-day forecast for Killarney - highs & lows, scroll down to right side of page:

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/71460.html

Steve

Eagleman posted 08-02-2004 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
I contacted Blind River Marina and spoke with Laura and received the following information.
1. Approximate drive time from Sault Ste. Marie 2 hours
2.Marina has long term parking immediately next to the marina office and ramps.
3. They have a long and a short ramp to accomodate any of the Whalers that will be launching.
4.Security while parked has never been a problem.
5.Regular parking rate is $9.00 for trailer plus $21.00 for tow vehicle per week. B.W.G.L.C.C. rate $21.00 trailer& vehicle included for the duration of the trip..

We will drive to Blind River on Friday evening Aug. 6th and meet the Blind River Group on Saturday AM at the Marina. Everyone have a safe drive.
Eagleman

LHG posted 08-02-2004 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Catching up on the weekend's posts posts, in order.... Who's the culprit with the long link that makes this thread impossible to read?

Gep - What I meant is for sleeping on the boat. You'd HAVE to be coming alone, since no woman in her right mind would take a 9 day cruise sleeping aboard an open boat without Mills!! Wind, overnight rain and dew can be a problem! I guess wet gear will suffice for rain during the day, but the rest of us will all be warm and comfortable with our Mills canvas. This trip is going to be huge, moving, advertizement for them!

macs-friend-ed - The BWGLCC is an invention of myself, Backlash and JimG, when back in the early 90's we all discovered, at the Portage Entry Rendezvous events on Lake Erie, that we could cruise and sleep aboard out Mills equipped Boston Whalers. We have been doing this ever since, usually with about 3 trips a summer. The name is heavily borrowed from the well known and long established "Great Lakes Cruising Club", headquartered in Chicago, and which goes back at least 75 years. Their membership charge is about $200, but ours is free and very un-official, and I'll bet we have a lot more fun! By your screen name, I assume you are a friend of Don's, so we'd love to have you join us sometime.

Don - That's great that we will see you and Walt on the second Sat of the trip. Too bad you can't make the whole thing. It's possible that you guys could run toward LC and meet us on the way over. All of this, of course, assuming we don't have a "hurricane west wind" in our face, which would force us up toward Blind River and more protected water. But if the weather looks good Sat morning, expect to see us by 3 in the afternoon. It's possible we could even be in LC Friday night overnight if we pass on Killarney, and catch you as come in on the ferry. Does Northernaire sell fuel?

Steve - I assume the Tobermory contingent will make it to Killarney Sat afternoon before us, and arrange for our docking if possible. Killarney Mountain Lodge is the location of choice, with Gateway Marina/Fred as our backup. I'd like to stay away from that Sportman's zoo & shuttle boat if possible. Wish we could convince you, also, to come to Blind River instead. It's only 2 more hours driving time each way. I know JimG and JimH are now considering it.

Buckda - In your post on power for the trip, you neglected that two of those Yamaha's will be running better than ever before, with MERCURY performance 4 blades!

Russ - And all along, I had assumed those pancakes were the low calorie version!

Pat - that overnight stop sounds attractive, and could be a possibility. I think you should book it. It could be a nice meeting place for the beginning of the trip. We now, however, are planning to hit the road by 3pm MI time, so might go right by, clear customs when nobody is around, and arrive Blind River for a 2am launch and sleep. Many of us have been to Blind River before, as we stopped there when we went to Kingfish's Rendezvous last summer. I'll keep you posted, but it's a great idea and may very well go for it if others haven't already filled it up.

As for Cellphone, last time there was coverage, at least from Blind river to LC, and then again from Britt/Byng Inlet down to Midland. It can be spotty at time, and who the service provider is can make a difference. But between all of the phones that will be along, I would say somebody should have one that will work at almost any overnight marina. There will also be land lines there.

The itinerary on a trip like this, first of all, go with the weather, even though most of the trip is protected. Hangdog reef is the only potential real blocker of the trip, since it is a mandatory passage to an outside stretch, and can get impassible if the weather is bad out of the west. But if no problems, it could be something like this for overnights:

Sat - Killarney, or Little Current if we can't get there.

Sun - Britt/Byung Inlet or Point au Baril, or Killbear (Provincial Park).

Monday - Killbear or Henry's on Frying Pan Island

Tuesday - Midland (can't think of Marina name, but it's a great place) This is pretty definite as it is the "bottom" of the trip. Wed could then be a day to do some exploration of the southern reaches of G.B, including even a possible peek at the Trent Severn waterway system and a lock passage.

Wed - South Bay Cove Marina in Honey Harbor, or Henry's or Killbear

Thurs - Killbear, Point au Baril, or Britt

Friday - Killarney or L.C.

Sat - Killarney or LC for the Tobermory group, Northernaire or Blind River for the Blind River group. I kind of assume Sat will be North Channel exploration day, including Baie Fine, or Mc Gregor Bay, Benjamin Islands, etc.

I think we should try to hopscotch marinas on the trip down and back, for the most variety. However, some places will be liked so much, that we may want to go back again. We will always go with the ideas of the majority! But wherever we go, we are sure to be a tourist attraction.

For those that haven't been here before, I highly recommend Richardson's Lake Huron chartbook AND PLASTIC COVER. This is about a $100 expense, but WELL worth it, as these are highly complicated waters we are entering. On mine, I have the small craft passage traced in red. As I have said, this is the finest boating in North America, save the British Columbia coast. Lakeland Boating's Huron cruising guide is also of value, with all phone numbers, etc on all possible stops, resturants, facilities, etc. I will have mine along for studying if interested. The Canadian "Ports" publication of Lake Huron is also good. I will have that too.

Cheesehead, it's good that you can join us. Use the itinerary above to plan your exit from the group. You should DEFINITELY go out of Tobermory, and probably correspond with Backlash, also from Central OH. This way, you can bail out anywhere along the route, and cross GB directly back to Tobermory. Or you could also head out from Midland, and cruise back up the western shore to Tobermory.
Blind River would make no sense for you. See you in Killarney late Sat afternoon, in time for drinks at the dock! (How does a guy with a name like "cheesehead" come from OH instead of WI?)

Russ, thanks for calling Blind River. Why didn't I know that only you could arrange for highly discounted parking rate? The real challenge is if you can get us dock space at Killarney Mountain Lodge on Sat night, even at full cost. Of all our stops, that is one I'm most concerned about. Killarney is one of the major cruising destinations on the Northern Great Lakes.

Decent weather permitting, this is going to be one of the best boating/cruising trips any of you have had in a long time, guaranteed. JimH will have a lot to write about.

Barry, why aren't you making it this year?

Kingfish, are you there? I assume with your silence you're trying to make this work? How about something like Cheesehead is doing.

PS. all of you non-participants out there following this thread should get out a road atlas and see where we're headed.



cheesehead posted 08-02-2004 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
LHG - You are correct about my name. I am from Wisconsin and moved to Ohio after college. I will always be a Badger fan. I discussed my plan with Backlash tonight and thought of driving to Blind River instead in case the weather turns bad, I could always make my way back to Blind River. That is assuming I will be able to navigate the islands. It is all interstate to the bridge and no Detroit traffic to contend with. It is a crap shoot at this point I guess.
dfmcintyre posted 08-02-2004 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
ALL -


DONS CTX 810-459-0149 - mine is a Nextel unit that is not as reliable as Walts.

WALTS CTX 513-675-4980


Ok - someone posted using channel 18. Sounds good to me. I will start monitoring it when we arrive at Northernaire.

Northernaire does sell fuel.

The following is for Cheesehead

I second what Steve and Dave said about taking the ferry and meeting up with the group at Little Current, as the open water of Georgan Bay can kick up and delay a return home.

If you want to travel with the Blind River group west beyond LC, through the Benjamins and on to Northeraire, either Walt or I could drive you back to LC to pickup your rig. It's a 50 minute trip by car, 2.5-3 hour trip by boat. Once you purchase a Richardsons (along with cover) you will understand the geometry of the situation.

What size is your boat? I've got another thought....

Give me a call if needed. Home after 9PM 810-982-4545

cheesehead posted 08-02-2004 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
Don,
I'm in a 22' Revenge. Love to hear your idea. I'll give you a ring tomorrow.
ty
Backlash posted 08-02-2004 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
FYI - BoatersWorld has the Richardson's Lake Huron Cruising Guide for $69.95, that's the cheapest I've seen it:
http://www.boatersworld.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&productId=730094
kingfish posted 08-03-2004 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Larry-

My silence is somewhere between trying to figure out how to make it work, as you have suggested, and feeling sorry for myself with the likelihood that I won't be able to. I've got the additional challenges of other's vacation schedules and a close family member's cancer surgery that is currently scheduled for the 11th. I'm not throwing in the towel yet, but if I pull something off it will be on the fly and at the last minute (and certainly for only a portion of the trip). Seeing the itinerary is a help for me if I can manage a part of the rendezvous; I'll try to make sure I've got as complete a directory of cell phone numbers as possible before you guys take off, so I can track down where the weather has you guys headed.

Don't want to hear any more about those blueberry pancakes-

John

Eagleman posted 08-03-2004 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
I've got dockage at the Killarney Mountain Lodge Dock for Saturday night August 7th tentively reserved. Their rate is $1.75 per foot per boat against the dock or rafted together. What I do need is a list of all the boats that will be looking for dockage that evening. I will then fax "Murray the dock Master" a list of the boats so he can put together a slip assignment. Please respond A/S/A/P.
Thank you,
Eagleman
P.S.No discounts available :(
dfmcintyre posted 08-03-2004 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Ty / Cheesehead -

Just checked my sked...not home tonight. Call my ctx (810-459-0149)

D

LHG posted 08-03-2004 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Good work Russ, and thanks for doing this. I think Dave's post above, dated 7/30 has all of the boat information. Now remember, I want all of you guys with Whaler Drives to be honest on this trip, and give them your boat length +2!

Did I read it right that the Tobermory group may be throwing in the towel and heading for Blind River? As an inticement, we would be willing to give up our night at Pat's place so that the Ohio people could use it to break the trip.

Backlash posted 08-03-2004 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Larry,

I just spoke with Tyson (Cheesehead) and after your updated itinerary last night he is going to join the group launching from Tobermory. As you suggested, this makes the most sense for him since he wants to be heading back to Dublin, OH no later than noon on Wednesday. If we are going to be in Midland Tuesday night, he would head straight for Tobermory early Wednesday morning.

Yes, Backlash will be in rare form spinning a new Mercury 4-blade Offshore prop...it could be scary!

Larry, any chance the 21 might show up fully rigged for cruising?

Steve

LHG posted 08-03-2004 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Unfortunately, Steve, not much chance of it.

Sorry you guys won't be meeting us in Blind River, but we'll be looking for those slips saved for us in Killarney. I hope we can make it over there by 5 or 6PM.

Eagleman posted 08-03-2004 05:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
B.W.G.L.C.C.
lhg, I'll fax Murray at Killarney Mountain Lodge our cruising information today and have him do his planning based on 9 boats for dockage Saturday Aug. 7th arrival in the mid afternoon. If there are any additions or deletions to Buckda's 7/27 post these individuals should let me know.
This trip is coming together almost as well as Paula's chocolate chip cookies for the trip!
Eagleman
Buckda posted 08-03-2004 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Russ -

Do we have to do anything special to get the special rate at Blind River?

mmm....cookies...

Steve -

Thanks for the link to the weather report. Looks like it will be a cool trip temperature-wise...perhaps I'll keep the snorkel at home :)


Regards,

Dave

Backlash posted 08-03-2004 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Dave,

I see it's getting down to 48° Thursday night! It will be great weather for sleeping on the boats. Yea, I think I would leave the snorkle at home and pack more fleece! Definitely canvas up cruising.

Steve

cheesehead posted 08-03-2004 10:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
Wanted to confirm that i will launch with the Tobermory group. My plan is to arrive very late friday night. Just pulled my boat tonight and run for an hour to re-check. All ok.
Steve, I'll call you friday on the road. Good luck all.
Gep posted 08-04-2004 12:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Eagleman,
I think I was still a wannabee on the 27th.
I would also need to be included in the dock space.
Let me know if there are any problems.
Thanks,
Mike
Buckda posted 08-04-2004 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Yes, I think that updated posting with attendees was on the 30th, but since he mentions 9 boats (which is accurate) I think we're on the same page (on the 27th, we had 7 boats).

Regards,

Dave

Eagleman posted 08-04-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
I received confirmation this morning for docking 9 Boston Whalers at Killarney Mountain Lodge for the evening of Saturday August 7th. See everyone there!
Still have lots to do before we get on the road Friday around 5PM.
Later,
Eagleman
Christinee posted 08-04-2004 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Christinee  Send Email to Christinee     
Thanks Russ, Continuouswave will be at the dock awaiting you!

Jim and I are heading to Tobermory after work Friday arriving
sometime around midnight. Then we hope to launch the Revenge
and, a' la LHG find a unoccupied slip to sleep the night away. We
will rendevous with Steve, Caroline, Jim, Sara and our sister ship
from Ohio Saturday morning.

Lets all hope the rains over and it's fair skies ahead!

Chris

Buckda posted 08-04-2004 04:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
WX looks like one night of rain possible, then mostly cloudy and partly sunny skies with highs in the 60's to low 70's as we trek down the lake.

Looks like the fleece jacket is coming along, along with an extra blanket for the boat overnight.

I imagine we should also expect a heavy dew on our covers and therfore expect some additional drying time each morning before stowing canvas.

With temps in the low to mid-60's though, I expect to have my shelter, top and at least windshield up for lots of the trip.

LHG - I hope you decide to stay at St. Ignace with the group...looks like a full house, but it could be fun to caravan the rest of the way in to Blind River on Saturday morning, and allows one extra night in a warm and comfortable bed. In any event - Looking forward to seeing everybody again (and meeting you Cheesehead, even though you are a Badgers fan)!

two more work days....

man this is agony.

cheesehead posted 08-04-2004 05:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for cheesehead  Send Email to cheesehead     
-Don, My e-mails to you keep getting returned. For clarification.. I am driving home wednesday the 11th. I plan on running with everyone as long as I can and when the wind dies down, shooting across the bay or backtracking the way we came. I will be crossing my fingers tuesday. How does that sound?
-Steve My cell is 614 620 2322.
Backlash posted 08-04-2004 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Russ,

Thanks for taking care of the Saturday night docking...we will save you a primo spot!

Chris,

Glad to hear you will be making the trip to Tobermory with us! Your "sister ship" should arrive about the same time Friday night.

Dave,

Stow the canvas? I don't think so!

Everybody,

1. Don't forget the rain gear.
2. If you have FRS radios bring them, excellent for ship-to-ship, ship-to-shore, and shore-to-shore communications.
3. Don't forget spare prop(s).
4. Extra TC-W3 oil (except Cheesehead).
5. Plenty of warm clothes, fleece, etc.

Everybody have a safe trip!

Steve


Buckda posted 08-04-2004 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Okay...."stow the rear curtain for our canvas".

:-)

Mike - Tip if we're running in the evening - ski goggles...look goofy, feel warm and comfy. Let me know if you want me to bring mine - I use them on my 15 in the early spring and late fall.

Dave

LHG posted 08-04-2004 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Pat - Now that I know I've been unable to sway the Tobermory group to Blind River, what is the space availability left at the vacation rental? Is there parking space for all the boats?

Is anybody going straight to Blind River for a late night launch? That was my original intention.

Buckda posted 08-04-2004 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Steve -

Regarding extra oil - approximately how much extra oil do you typically bring for a trip like this? I just filled my two gallon resevoir and have two extra gallons - I'm hoping this is enough but can probably make room for an extra gallon if necessary.

Dave

Backlash posted 08-04-2004 07:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Dave,

You should be fine. I'm bringing 2 extra gallons...my oil reservoir is filled and I believe it holds 2½ gals. From past experience I may add a gallon during the cruise and end up carrying a gallon home.

Of course my Yamaha has Precision-Blend so your results may vary!

Steve

home Aside posted 08-04-2004 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hello All,

LHG...There's plenty of room....so far there is Me, Dave, and Gep (all solo's) so If you and Susan are looking for a place to hang your hat there's plenty of room (see my prior post describing vacation rental). I think we can get two rigs in the driveway to the south of the house, one in the driveway to the north of the house, and one out front.

Anyway, I don't want to be pushy about this but if everyone who is going to be locked into this would confirm one more time I'd appreciate it...my thinking is that $130. (rent/maid) split 3 ways is approximatley $43.00 each.....5 ways is $26.00 each.....you see where I'm going with this....$43.00 puts a lot of gas in my boat....I will not in anyway be offended if everyone decides to drive straight through to Blind River and use the money saved to pay part of their weeks gas bill...then again I would be pleased if everyone wants to make the stop over, have a short visit, good nights sleep, and drive the rest of the way in the morning. So let me know for sure...thanks

Also, I've got a 90 evinrude, 2-12 gallon tanks, and plan on carrying an extra 6 gallon gerry can. I pre-mix, I figure I'll probably top up each evening...do you think 30 gallons will last me the day ? I figure 80 0unces (I'll have to do math on quarts/gallons)of oil for 30 gallons of Gas. Point is I'm trying to figure how much Oil I should bring also....let me know any opinions...I've got so much going through my mind regarding this trip I can hardly sleep....hopefully that means I'll sleep well on the trip...
Dave, let me know what snacks, drinks, food you might be bringing so I don't duplicate....

Pat

Gep posted 08-04-2004 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Pat,
I'm definately in.
I will probably be the first one there. maybe as early as 6-7pm.
Do you have an address?

To all,
This may sound like a newbee question but, how important is an extra prop? I don't have one.

Dave,
I grabbed some slick looking safety glasses from work.
Thanks anyways.

Mike

jimh posted 08-04-2004 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Gep--In the North Channel and Georgian Bay you are sailing on pure rock, mostly granite. If you do find the bottom with a propeller blade, it is going to be ugly.
jimh posted 08-05-2004 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Heading out from Tobermory, I would hope we'll have fair winds and seas. The most direct route to Killarney is to jog to the east of Flowerpot, then head due north.

Club Island will be the first landmark. There is a nice harbour on this island where we could stop to investigate and have lunch. Or just look around. I have never been in the harbour. It used to have some logging operation, I think.

Further north is Squaw Island. It also has a nice anchorage. Again, I have never been in it, and I would like to investigate if time permits. You have to come around from the SE side, head NW along the eastern tip of the harbour's spit of land, and feel your way into the anchorage which has good water.

From Squaw it is a short run to Killarney.

If we ran non-stop the whole way, I am sure it is less than two hours sailing at a good cruising speed (25-MPH or so).

Also, the area right around Tobermory has some nice destinations, too. If time and conditions permit, I think it would be fun to stop at Russel Island. There is a small cove on the eastern side. I think this is the cove where Orrie Vail discovered a very old boat wrecked on the shore. That wreck is widely believed to have been the 1680 wreck of the GRIFFON, the first boat built by Europeans to sail on the upper Great Lakes. The artifacts of the wreck have been removed. The last I heard of them, after Orrie's death they are now in the custody of the town of Tobermory. Quite amazing to imagine sailing around these waters 324 years ago, no charts, no buoys, no GPS!

See: http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/kostoff29.html

home Aside posted 08-05-2004 01:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Gep, Dave, Larry & Susan
When you are E/Bound on US-2 and hit I-75 continue East on US-2 approx 1 Mile, there is a Glen's Market on the right, keep going till you see the water, as the road starts to bend to the left on your right is a street, which makes a very radical right hand turn at the water. It is S. State Street, you want to make that hard right onto S. State go down about 4 blocks and it is a large white 2-story house on the right. I have to get the exact address again from my friend I misplaced it. The phone number at the St. Ignace House is #1-906-643-6531. My Cell Phone is 1-248-892-8581.

I will either leave tomorrow (Thursday night) and spend the Night at my parents in Lewiston, Michigan (85 Miles from Mackinac Bridge) and then continue up to St. Ignace early Friday. Or if I can't get it together to leave Thursday night, then I'll leave Detroit area before Noon on Friday and go right to St. Ignace.

I'll post the exact address and a few more landmarks tomorrow, it's very easy to find...

Pat

home Aside posted 08-05-2004 01:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Dave (You Know how to get there), Larry & Susan, of course you'll be N/bound on I-75 across the Mighty Mac and hang a right on US-2 into St. Ignace....etc, etc, etc,

Pat

home Aside posted 08-05-2004 01:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I've been up too long....I gave my wife's Cell number....the correct cell number for Me....Pat Henahan is 1-248-892-8580.....Home # 1-248-538-0275

Pat

Backlash posted 08-05-2004 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Mike,

I see you're also a discriminating boater who runs a Yamaha. Is it a 150? If so, I have a spare 19 pitch SS Yamaha prop (large hub) I can bring if you want. Let me know.

Steve

Eagleman posted 08-05-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
We are driving through the night and will meet everyone at Blind River on Saturday morning. Safe travel!
Eagleman
prj posted 08-05-2004 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jul04/246655.asp

Recent article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
regarding the GRIFFIN and it's potential discovery.

Gep posted 08-05-2004 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Steve,
It's a 1992 Yamaha 130.
I'll look and see what picth I'm running right now.
That would be great as I could use it only if I need it.
Mike
Gep posted 08-05-2004 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
That should be pitch not picth.
That's what happens when your trying to plan your vacation and people are bugging you about "work stuff".
Mike
Backlash posted 08-05-2004 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Mike,

Mine is a 1992 200 HP, large hub, but I'm pretty sure the 130 HP has a small hub. I know for sure the 150 HP is a large hub as are all the V-6's. Pitch shouldn't make much difference...you're probably running a 17 or 19 pitch. Let me know.

Steve

home Aside posted 08-05-2004 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
hello all....

the address for the St. Ignace House is 1010 S. State Street, the phone number is #1-906-643-6531. Read my previous post for the directions. Again my Cell #1-248-892-8580.

Pat

LHG posted 08-05-2004 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
For those interested, I would bring enough oil for roughly 600 miles of boating. That's my best guess of the distance we will put under the hulls, including side explorations.

Dave - the standard Mercury oil tank holds 3 gallons.

Pat - I'm pretty sure we'll stop in St Ignace for this night, but have to confirm with Susan first. Will customs up there be bad on a Sat morning, and can we get Candanian cash when we go through, like they do in Sarnia?

How does a trip with 8 boats get 156 posts?

Gep posted 08-05-2004 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Steve,
I don't know hub size, but it is a 19 pitch.
Mike
Buckda posted 08-05-2004 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
It's not the size of the group (I count 9 boats, by the way), it's the ENTHUSIASM!

Thanks for the info on the resevoir size, Larry...I figure if I average 2.5 MPG I'll need about 5 gallons of oil (50:1 ratio).

Looks like I should pick up one extra gallon on the road north.

Glad I filled the boat last weekend - looks like fuel prices are going to be rather high!

Pat -
I'll be pulling in around 12 or 1 AM - if possible, please save the spot out front for me so I don't have to back the trailer into a driveway in the dark without a spotter.

Larry -
The last time I crossed at the Sault (which I admit, has been a few years), there was a currency exchange right after you cleared customs and before you entered the city.

I don't believe that a Saturday morning crossing will be too tough. The fishing camps in Canada typically "turn over" on Sundays and there should be mimimal business traffic - just vacationers like us!

Regards,

Dave

home Aside posted 08-05-2004 07:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hello all,
I did my math homework today and passed my test on Pre-Mix 101....I figure 1 gallon of Evinrude/Johnson TC-W3 will give me two fill ups (24 gallons of gas each fill up) So right now my two 12 gallon tanks and 6 gallon gerry can are full.
I bought an additional 3 gallons of the Evinrude/Johnson TC-W3 at Gander Mountain. I bought one gallon the other day for $17.99 and was getting ready today and happened to take the cap off the jug and the seal was broken and looking kind of grungie, So having just rebuilt my engine last year, I thought I'd take it back and also pick up a couple more. I took it back to exchange it and it was no problem...in fact it's now on sale for so I ended up getting them for $16.99 each. Truth be told I don't know if it's a good deal or not....I usually don't go through enough gas in a short time period to keep track of oil prices....anyway as I said my tanks are full, If I have to fill the tanks each evening a gallon of Oil would last two days, 3 gallons of oil would last me six days, so My full tanks plus 6 days worth of oil = 7 days of Fun....
I'll be leaving around 10:00am tomorrow, my cell will be on, I'll be stopping in Lewsiton, Mi to visit my parents breifly and look at a whaler that's for sale, then on to St. Ignace. I plan on being in St. Ignace around 5PM-6PM...

Pat

jimh posted 08-05-2004 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Travel Times to Tobermory

Detroit to Sarnia to Tobermory

Detroit to Sarnia 61.0 miles 1.10 hours
Sarnia to Bayfield (120 km) 74.5 1.35
Bayfield to Port Elgin (110 km) 68.3 1.24
Port Elgin to Tobermory (129 km) 80.1 1.46

Total (Assuming 55 mph) 283.9 miles 5.15 hours


JIMG advises:

Some information on the closing of exit 34 on the 402 (Hwy 21 North).
Take exit 25 (Hwy 30 North and Hwy 21 South)
go left (North) on Hwy 30 which will take you
to Hwy 7 and turn right or North on Hwy 7.

dfmcintyre posted 08-05-2004 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
FURTHER TRAVEL INFO BETWEEN SARNIA - TOBEMOREY

A good place to stop for lunch/dinner is in Port Elgin. Goe about 1/2 way through town, look for the "beach" sign and turn left. About 3/4 mile down to the waterfront. Great view of the beach and marina, ample parking, little white shack right on the waterfront for a quick lunch or dinner.

Second note -

Once your past Southhampton and looking for the turn north, for route 6, make sure you don't turn _early_ by staying on 21.

It's a much rougher road. BTDT.

6 is well marked.

It's pretty sparce between P/Eglin and Tobemory, with the exception of Wiarton. Long straightaway down into the valley into the town.

Don

jimh posted 08-05-2004 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Good idea not to go past Port Elgin and needing gasoline, especially at night.
Backlash posted 08-06-2004 06:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Thanks Don for the Port Elgin tip.

Here's another tip from JimG:

If traffic is backed up on I-94 use the Water St exit. Turn right on Water St and go to the end, about 1 mile. Turn left on 10th St., go over the bridge at this point is the first set of lights, continue 1 mile to the next stoplight and turn left onto Pine Grove Ave. Stay in the left lane,
you well make a left turn to the bridge ramp in 1/4 mile. There are several "Bridge to Canada" signs

Steve

home Aside posted 08-06-2004 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'll be out of here in about the next hour....I think I have everything, see you in St. Ignace around 6:00PM tonight, then Blind River Saturday A.M,, Killarney, etc,etc, my cell phone will be on....1-248-892-8580, I understand Channel 18 is where we'll be communicating, take care drive safely

Pat

kingfish posted 08-06-2004 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Best wishes for a safe trip and smooth waters, y'all - wish I was on the road/water with you-
Buckda posted 08-06-2004 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Everything is finally packed and ready to go!

Truck is waiting for me in Millenium Park for 5:30 departure; I hope I can beat the traffic across the Skyway and into Indiana to get to the boat in about an hour and a half; then it's onward to St. Ignace and then Blind River.

Safe travel to everyone today and tomorrow - we're going to have fun!

See you all tomorrow night in Killarney.

Dave

kingfish posted 08-06-2004 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Dave-

Unless you have been on the Skyway *very* recently and the construction there has somehow gotten six months work done in a week, DON'T GO THERE!

Coming into Chicago a week ago we were delayed by an hour and a half on the Skyway, and the Eastbound traffic looked similarly snarled to me. We took I-94 returning home, and while slower than the Skyway under normal circumstances, it was *way* better than the Skyway in its current state.

Buckda posted 08-06-2004 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John -
I take the skyway every weekend going to Michigan. The key is to be just ahead of or just behind the rush - they open extra lanes for "residents"...you "visitors" end up with the short shaft - or in this case, the single lane.

A week ago, the problem was more on the Indiana Tollroad side, as they are demolishing bridges as they reconstruct the roadway - they had complete closures overnights for this process and I got snagged in one of the 15 minute closures (Which turned into a three hour back-log of traffic) trying to get back into the city.

Believe me, during the week, the Borman (80/94) is MUCH worse than the skyway...economics I guess.

At any rate - thanks for the tip. Fortunately, as a local from both SW Michigan and now from Chicago, I know the "back roads" too...I can exit the skyway / tollroad at any point and take US 12, and link back to 94 after the traffic thins...and if that fails, I know one other back route. Nothing blocks my escape from this city!!

By the way...if taking the skyway into the city, never follow it all the way back to 94 (unless you're going to O'Hare or points West of the city)...take the second exit after you pay the toll to Stony Island. Stay in the right lands and you will be connected to Lake Shore Drive and have a straight shot into the loop, etc. Getting on 94 again just snarls you up with traffic from the South, Southwest and West suburbs.

Really wish you could join us John - your 'friends in a box' will miss you.

Regards,

Dave


Eagleman posted 08-06-2004 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
I have some very disappointing news, Paula informed me this morning that she isn't feeling well enough to make a trip of this distance. Sorry for all the hype about cookies and blue berry pancakes, Paula say's next year for sure. We have a procedure scheduled with Paula's surgeon later this month to hopefully resolve her discomfort. I hope that the B.W.G.L.C.C. understands, I waited to the very last minute to mention this in hope that Paula would rally and feel up to the trip!
Rates at Blind River for parking storage $21.00 (trailer & tow vehicle)for duration of trip and reservations at Killarney Mountain Lodge August 7th have been made. Enjoy the trip, wish we would be going.
Best regards,
Russ & Paula
LHG posted 08-06-2004 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Russ - I'm shocked and disappointed to hear about this, especially for Paula. I'm sure you are equally disappointed, as I could sense your anticipation for this cruising vacation. We will all miss you both on this trip, and I was particularly looking forward to showing you this new boating territory. Since we have lost the flagship of our fleet, I guess JimH will now have to assume that title, with his 24' overall Revenge 22!

Give my personal regards to Paula, and we hope she is feeling good again soon.

Buckda posted 08-06-2004 02:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Russ -

Please give my regards to Paula - I'm sorry and sad to hear you can't join us, but of course understand your postition.

Perhaps we can arrange a later fall rendezvous in upper Wisconsin or upper Michigan - a fall color tour perhaps?

Regards and best wishes to both of you.

Dave

jimh posted 08-21-2004 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[This thread organized the cruise. To read reports posted after the cruise, see a separate thread: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000441.html .]

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