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Buckda posted 03-29-2005 03:27 PM ET (US)   Profile for Buckda   Send Email to Buckda  
Is it almost time? Should be start planning a brief season opener for either southern Lake Michigan or Lake St. Clair, or Western Lake Erie?!

I'm thinking that perhaps April 16 or 17th might be do-able for many?

Northern cabin-fever humor: if April showers bring May flowers, what do May flowers bring?


I'm ready to go boating. Who's with me?

sportroyalwulf posted 03-29-2005 05:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
It is supposed to be 70 degrees in Dayton tomorrow. Would be a good day to put the new plugs in and be ready to go. I should be able to make any of the three sites on the dates that you suggested.
Teak Oil posted 03-29-2005 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Dave my wife has that weekend off of work so it would be good for me. This is my first year with the Montauk and would like to meet some of you guys.

I am not familiar with that area where did you have in mind? The Holland area maybe?

The Lake St Clair area would probably be a little warmer also.

Buckda posted 03-29-2005 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Glad to see there's interest. Yeah - I was thinking the southern portions of the big lakes to keep the boating more pleasant. It's still very early season, so we wouldn't be doing any major cruising - I'm not even sure the marina's will be pumping fuel that early or not, but we could definitely get together to do a St. Joe-to-South Haven-for-lunch-and-back cruise on standard tankage for a Montauk, and even for a 150 with a 4 stroke. The Holland idea is a good one too, though some of us were just there this past fall in our Whalers (I still have that darn $150 bathroom key *somewhere* for Skipper Buds, so there's some bonus there, and pressure for me to find the darn thing so I can return it!)

Or (and I'm not at all familiar with the territory over here) -
Lake St. Clair (I know Roy Boy is trying to set something up here but it's a longer cruise type event)


even Western Lake Erie - What's the Monroe/Toledo area like? I don't have any charts for Erie, but my Huron charts extend a little way into the lake.

It still might be a tad early for thinking about venturing much further north - we had our first 70 degree day in 3 months today, after all. We'll be pushing it for nice weather as it is in Mid April...I was just thinking that after paying uncle Sam on the 15th, we all might be in need of some Whaler therapy. Canvas would be a definite plus for this type of boating but as Home Aside can attest - ski goggles work pretty well in a pinch to make you feel somewhat comfortable.


YorkHarbor posted 03-29-2005 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for YorkHarbor  Send Email to YorkHarbor     
I would love to go, but I don't know if my 13 footer is big enough for those lakes, guess I will have to bring my 2004 210 Outrage back from Maine to Dayton!
Barry posted 03-29-2005 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
I'm interested. Although I just pulled my winter cover off the boat this past weekend. I've got some work to do including raising the console, repairing the loose starboard light, changing the cushion on the RPS, installing my new (used) props, repairing some fiberglass damage, and adding another pair of keel rollers to the trailer.

How do you like your new arch Dave?

TomG posted 03-29-2005 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
I'm up for something in the Grand Haven/Holland/South Haven area.

I am in the process of moving to Fruitport (near Grand Haven) and am up there every weekend. The Outrage is still in storage, but it is coming out in a couple of weeks. Sounds like a great way to celebrate spring!


home Aside posted 03-29-2005 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I could probably be available for any of those locations, I'll keep watching...Western Lake Erie is in my neck of the woods, although I'm not sure about marinas, I can look into it....I have some friends who are members at the Swan Boat Club off the Raisen River, I could inquire if they have transient slips available for non-members, could make a run over to Put in Bay or Kelly's Island, or just over on the Canadian side for Lunch....I'll keep watching and let you know what I find out

Pat Henahan

jeffs22outrage posted 03-30-2005 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Would love to....just do not think she will completely back together by then. Shooting for 1st weekend in May.
Teak Oil posted 03-31-2005 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Jeff just borrow the old man's Montauk, he probably wouldnt even notice it was gone ;)

Since I have no canvas someplace somewhat shielded from the wind would be nice, though I am not opposed to putting on my sled gear and helmet if necessary!


Buckda posted 03-31-2005 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Teak -

Here are some photos of a very hearty (and cold) Home Aside up in the Straits of Mackinac last May.

Believe me - a cheap pair of ski goggles goes a long way - you can check out a play-it-again sports in your area and ask for leftovers for less than 10 bucks.

...but let's hope for mid-60's or warmer with little or no breeze. Once the sun goes down it'll be cold enough!

So what do you think?


Teak Oil posted 03-31-2005 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Yeah I saw those pics in your album the other day. Unless its mid 60's I will probably leave the wife at home.

Like I said I am open to just about any place, I trust your guys' judgement. Most of my boating has been done up north and any of those locations would be new for me.


jeffs22outrage posted 04-01-2005 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Ahh...Bob, ya it is storage till we finish my outrage...I wish tough.
Cicada posted 04-01-2005 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Cicada  Send Email to Cicada     
This is something I'd really like to do but there is no way the boat will be ready by then. Motor won't be reassembled until mid week, bottom paint won't be off until this week-end and then there's alot of work to do on it. I'm jealous.


jeffs22outrage posted 04-01-2005 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Paul are you having the hull sodablasted? If so who is doing it? Sorry to hijack dave...just in need of a local resource.
Royboy posted 04-01-2005 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I'm game. Leaving today for Alpena to pick up "Ichthus" and her new Bimini. Perfect timing: the ice left most of the inland lakes around here yesterday!!!! webcam shows no ice on the Detroit River either. Yeee Hoooo!!


home Aside posted 04-01-2005 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I was down on Belle Isle in the Detroit River on Wednesday, still a lot of Ice flow in large pieces on the river, but it won't be long...I'd still be cautious of damaging your hull if you went out just yet...

Pat Henahan

Cicada posted 04-01-2005 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Cicada  Send Email to Cicada     

Went with a shop that does it by hand. You've got mail.


Royboy posted 04-02-2005 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Thanks Pat, I guess that was asking a bit much of a camera on a pole, it was just nice to see liquid water again!

April 16th isn't looking too good for me, but we'll have to see what shapes up.


jimb posted 04-02-2005 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimb  Send Email to jimb     
Or you could all come visit us on sandusky bay which is great for any size whaler and see whaler's new home in bayview, ohio Clemons Boats we have a ramp and docks available this time of year
jimh posted 04-03-2005 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
We had several balmy days this week, with temperatures in the 60's. I walked down to the Detroit River at lunch on one of the warmer ones. The wind was from the south so it had pushed all the ice in the river against the Detroit shore. There was a ribbon of icebergs about 100-feet wide pinned against the shoreline and flowing south with the current. There were also a few stray pieces farther out in the river. It was not quite boating season, at least not for a fiberglass boat in pristine condition. Maybe for a welded aluminum boat with 0.25 hull plating. If you were out in the river and had a wind shift like that, it would be impossible to get back to the shore or ramp!

I don't know what the status of the ramps are around here. I think the downriver ramp at Elizabeth Park will open soon, but it is usually a mad house with fisherman. I think fishing in Lake Erie is closed until June, but you can fish in the Detroit River starting in April. That puts every fisherman at the Elizabeth Park ramp.

jimh posted 04-03-2005 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Pat--I want to have a picture taken of our boat and the Bridge, just like that one of yours! Maybe a little later in the season, though.
Buckda posted 04-03-2005 02:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well - the ice is completely gone from Lake Michigan (Southern) - so perhaps we should plan something for over here on this side. No icebergs, no ice chunks, nothing - and the docks are back in at the state and city ramps, and there are plenty of boats in the river.

Yes, it's still early season - but that just means that there won't be any lines at the ramp.

What do you think? A St. Joseph to South Haven cruise on Saturday or Sunday afternoon for lunch at Clementine's in South Haven?

Play it by ear and pick the best day for weather?


banff22 posted 04-03-2005 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for banff22  Send Email to banff22     
Wow, you guys are keen. I'd love to join up but I'm away this and the following week so running away the 16th or 17th to play is not a good family idea.

Great idea, just bad timing for me. Have fun!


Teak Oil posted 04-03-2005 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I am in


jeffs22outrage posted 04-04-2005 09:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
There were HUGE ice flows moving from the lake into the St Clair river in Port Huron on Saturday. That strong north wind must have moved it down the lake....
Teak Oil posted 04-04-2005 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I havent been able to post much since my kid put fruit punch in my keyboard but now I am back.

I am sure the ice will be gone in two weeks so its not even an issue to me. I was out cruising in my 9' Zodiac today and it was awesome. I even clocked 24mph on the GPS LOL


Teak Oil posted 04-08-2005 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
So whats the plan, is this thing on or not?
sportroyalwulf posted 04-08-2005 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
I can be in west michigan that weekend and that is my preference.
Buckda posted 04-08-2005 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I'm in. The boat is going into the shop on Sunday night to have the oil-alarm/horn fixed and then she should be completely ready to go, if y'all can live with a few of my "still-to-dos" being left undone.

Let's decide next week based on weather forecasts about where to launch from. If it's going to be windy, perhaps Holland is the best bet, as we could stay on Lake Macatawa if necessary (James - it's only another hour and 15 minutes from St. Joe to Holland.

See you guys soon.


Teak Oil posted 04-08-2005 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     

My best friends wife just called and she is having a surprise party for him next Saturday! I have to go its my best bud, so I am out for Saturday. Sunday is still possible.

Long range forcast is for rain next weekend but I dont put much stock in long range forecasts.

This sucks

leapin lunker posted 04-09-2005 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for leapin lunker  Send Email to leapin lunker     
Lake St. Clair is looking real nice. I was up in Port Huron yesterday and there is still a lot of ice coming down, however, the Harsens Island area and the main lake are in fine shape. Will be launching the 24 on Monday. If you were to decide on LSC, I could have an outing at my home in St. Clair Shores on Saturday. There are several motels in close proximity and there are 3 ramps open within 5 miles of my home.

If not, let me know where. Donna and I may join up.

home Aside posted 04-10-2005 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Is it set for April 16-17 ? I've got a lot going right now and don't know if I can swing two days right now....I might be tempted to drive over for the day and catch a ride if someone needs a 1st mate to help out and/or keep em company....let me know when & where...


Teak Oil posted 04-12-2005 01:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I can go the 17th but the 16th is still set for the birthday party. Let me know what you guys decide
home Aside posted 04-12-2005 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I can probably do something on Sunday the 17th....depending on when & Where....If it's too far I won't be able to make the one day trip with the Montauk, but I could drive out and catch a ride or help crew on Gambler (Dave was kind enough to offer) but if it happens to be closer like, Lake Erie or Lake St. Clair I can bring her out for the day. I'll continue to watch...

Pat Henahan

kingfish posted 04-12-2005 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I have been assigned to a dinner commitment Sat. night, but I think there's a good likelihood that I can get to something on Sunday the 17th, especially if it winds up around the southern end of Lake Michigan. Outré is still pretty ship shape from our season opener in Apalachicola. I'll stay tuned here.


sportroyalwulf posted 04-12-2005 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
Saturday the 16th is the best day for me if it is southern lake michigan/macatawa etc.
Buckda posted 04-12-2005 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The long-range weather forecast for Holland, Michigan is:

Saturday: Partly Cloudy and 61
Sunday: a few showers and 61

For St. Joseph:
Saturday: Partly Cloudy and 64
Sunday: A few showers and 62

The water temperature on Sunday at the St. Joseph Pierhead was down to 36 degrees, from 39 degrees on Saturday….so figure high 30’s, chilling the air temperature to an apparent 45-50 degrees, give or take … definitely time for some canvas.

Marine Forecasts are not available that far in advance at this time.

Here’s the rub on the forecast: Saturday it’s supposed to be nice in the AM, and rain in the evening….Sunday is supposed to rain in the AM and then clear off in the PM.

If we meet on Saturday, we should expect to get rained on the second half of the day (a real downer). On Sunday, we would start out with diminishing showers and overcast, and then clearing by the end of the day.

Since no one has really stepped forward, and since I started this thread : - )

. . .

I vote for Holland on Sunday.

Here’s why:
Holland provides a few extra options in case the big lake is rough…Lake Macatawa is large enough to cruise and just look at homes/cottages ashore..and if it’s really nasty, it has a nice downtown area within walking distance for shoreside activities. They also have a very nice ramp facility. If the lake is so-so, then Port Sheldon is a short hop up the lake, and offers a nice respite, with nice homes ashore. If it’s nice, trekking on up to Grand Haven offers the option of cruising Spring Lake.

Why Sunday? Well, since it’s so early in the season – it gives folks an extra day to get their rigs ready, while the boating supply store is still open…

Finally, it provides the shortest distance in time between this weekend’s boating (Sunday afternoon) and next (the following Saturday morning)….those good boating vibes should help carry you through your Monday morning on the 18th.

How about we meet at the DNR ramp facility on Lake Macatawa’s North Shore in Holland at 10:00 AM on Sunday morning?

Teak Oil posted 04-12-2005 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Canvas shmanvas, just look for the guy in the Montauk with his Ski Doo jacket and helmet on ;}

That plan works for me Dave, I will probably leave my house at 6am and get there a little early.

I do have a question though, I just put on my stainless prop, is the area pretty stainless friendly, or should I go with the aluminum?

Now I have to get my jackplate on asap and get that tested.


TomG posted 04-12-2005 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Unfortunately, I am committed to a major electronics install on the "other" boat this weekend. Plus the Outrage is still buried in the back of the storage facility...I think they will have to move about 10 boats to get me out.

So, I'll have to pass this time...hope I can make the next one - now that I'm a part-time resident of Fruitport.


Buckda posted 04-12-2005 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Teak -
The area is very stainless friendly. Mostly sand bottom...and generally plenty deep.

See you guys then!

Royboy posted 04-14-2005 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Dang, I won't be able to make it over to the "left" coast this weekend. It's a cryin' shame too, since I just got my lovely new "Whaler Red" canvas and she's really lookin' good. I may be able to sneak out onto the Detroit River on Sunday afternoon however. Have fun fella's and take lots of pictures.


130 Sport

Buckda posted 04-14-2005 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
So it's Teak Oil, Kingfish, Buckda and Home Aside (aboard Buckda's boat)?

Forecast calls for warmer temps, 30 percent chance of rain each day.


home Aside posted 04-14-2005 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it Saturday or Sunday for this event......My Youngest's 11th Birthday family party is Saturday and he also has a hockey game on Sunday....I've missed his last two games and in his mind the third time is not a I'll have to decline....Stay in touch, take lots of photo's and be safe...


Teak Oil posted 04-14-2005 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Dave is that DNR launch the one on Ottawa Beach Rd? I am trying to find it on my map.

The good news is I got my jackplate on and went for a ride and the engine didnt fall off. The bad news is I am now underpropped but I should be fine for the weekend.

I plan on going on the river Saturday for one more trial run to get her dialed in before the trip.


Buckda posted 04-15-2005 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Bob -

Yes - Ottawa Beach Rd. It's quite a drive from the main N/S highway in town. If you pass by the Skipper Buds Marina, you have just passed it.

See you and John on Sunday Morning. I drive a gold Ford Explorer.

Teak Oil posted 04-15-2005 10:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
The weather is looking up, 70! Maybe I can leave the helmet at home
Teak Oil posted 04-17-2005 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Well I had a great time meeting John (kingfish) and Dave (Buckda). They have some nice looking Outrages, and we had perfect weather. Other than Daves tire incident and having an ornery warning horn, everything went off without a hitch.

Here are some pics

Royboy posted 04-18-2005 10:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Great pictures! Hey Dave, Gambler is looking good! When did you get the arch? Looks great. Also noticed John got his radar up. Very cool. Now he's even handier to have around! Wish I could have been there, but at least I got Ichthus out on St. Clair Sunday for a shakedown.


Buckda posted 04-18-2005 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Bob –
Thanks for sharing the photos so quickly.

The day was beautiful – mid 70’s on shore, and mid-50’s on the water with filtered/hazy sunshine then more subdued sunshine in the afternoon on the way back in. You can tell from Bob’s photos that it was an absolutely beautiful day on the big lake – flat calm!

I love the first photo. : )

I’m sure John will share photos of me wrenching on the Merc – but I warned you guys in advance that I was troubleshooting the faulty warning horn. The diagnosis (for now!) is the oil warning module – between $185 and $195 for the part, depending on who you talk to. Fortunately, it appears to be a bolt-on part, so I’m going to order it today and bolt it on this weekend and take another test run.

The bigger concern is the trailer – and now my hand has been forced – the tires will all be replaced this weekend, though I’m trying to hold out on the hubs for a few more weeks.

Roy -

The arch was in secret development over the winter. I very cleverly disguised my secret research facility behind the facade of an old hay barn in SW Michigan. The now declassified photos are located in my photobucket site, under "Modifications - first look photos", including the exclusives that were shot by some papparrazzi when I first rolled the boat out of the facility, err...barn.

It was great to meet you Bob – and to see John again. I wish the rest of you guys could have made it.


Teak Oil posted 04-18-2005 11:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I think Dave did a great job doctoring up those first "teaser photos" so he could make his dramatic entrance Sunday. I thought you would like that photo Dave, I would have taken some when we were at WOT because it really looked sweet then, but I had my hands full. I think John enjoyed stretching the legs of Outre a few times there too.

Dave I feel your pain, I had to drop my truck off at Cummins this morning to get my $300 oil leak fixed.

Looking forward to the next event


Cicada posted 04-18-2005 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Cicada  Send Email to Cicada     
Sound and looks like you guys had a great time and weather. Wish I could have been there.


home Aside posted 04-18-2005 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside Pauls's comments....the Whaler's are lookin good


Buckda posted 04-20-2005 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
LHG posted 04-20-2005 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Dave - How did the Mercury Laser II prop run?
Buckda posted 04-20-2005 06:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Larry -

The prop ran good. I still need to get used to it.

I hit 46.8 MPH GPS on it, with the arch....with the 19" regular Mercury Quicksilver prop before the arch, I hit 46.3 MPH, so given that the arch probably robs me of some top speed, I think it gained a couple MPH on the other prop.

It still blows out (vents) in turns, I think I'm going to just have to lower the motor a hole.

The boat ran at 24 MPH turning 3,500 RPM and 28 at 3,450.

WOT with the motor trimmed all the way out gave me 5,600 RPM.

I did notice it is much more sluggish coming out of the hole...but that could easily be a factor of the additional 3 inches of pitch.

Overall, I think I'm going to have to spend a day with both props and do some switching back and forth to really get a feel for the improvement, if any.

One thing is for sure - it sure looks pretty back there when the boat is on the trailer!



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