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pglein posted 05-06-2005 04:48 PM ET (US)   Profile for pglein   Send Email to pglein  
Is there anything like this planned this summer? I'm guessing not. Is there any sort of club or organization that I could get in touch with to put something like this together?

I'd really like to get together with some other Whaler owners from the area and see their boats. If anyone is interested or has any ideas, let me know.

Dick posted 05-06-2005 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I haven't heard of anything planed yet this year. I set up the one in 2001 and Tom Clark has done the later ones.

We generaly get together at Hale's brewery for beer and burgers as well. We are way overdue so lets see who might be interested in a burger and beer meeting to discuss a rendezvous.

Dick

bear99 posted 05-07-2005 04:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for bear99  Send Email to bear99     
Count me in.
mitch13 posted 05-07-2005 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for mitch13  Send Email to mitch13     
My boat is not ready, but I'm ready for a burger and beer.
mitch
skookum point posted 05-07-2005 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for skookum point  Send Email to skookum point     
If anyone is interested in getting together in the South Sound, possibly Olympia, during the first half of July, then I would be willing and able to get involved.
John Anderson
stikbo posted 05-08-2005 10:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for stikbo  Send Email to stikbo     
Count me in for beer and burgers too.
aquaman posted 05-09-2005 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
I'm in for a Rendezvous... A planning meeting at Hales sounds good to...
Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2005 12:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
If you guys are serious about a rendezvous, we need to get everyone to chime in and pick a weekend. My summer is filling up fast so lets pin something down soon.
Matthew posted 05-10-2005 12:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
I'm interested and July works for me. How about the 10th?
Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2005 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
July 10th works for me.

What (when) about Hale's?

aquaman posted 05-11-2005 12:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
July 10 works for me...
frontier posted 05-11-2005 01:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
July 10th sounds good to me.
Dick posted 05-11-2005 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Just about any date will work for me to meet at Hale's.
How does Saturday May 21st at 2: PM sound?

Dick

Jerry Townsend posted 05-11-2005 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Hey guys - where is this Hale's place?

I will someday be able to meet you guys up in your neck of the woods - and this year I will be up in the Tacoma / Shelton / Polosboro (sp?) areas - but the timing is not known right now. Therefore, I'll just snoop in here periodically. Jerry/Idaho

Dick posted 05-11-2005 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Jerry

It's top secret but I think it is safe to post the location here.

www.halesales.com

Dick

Jerry Townsend posted 05-11-2005 05:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Thanks Dick - that seems to be a very nice place. I can see the secrecy viewpoint - but I suspect the secret is already out. And I will visit Hale's the next time I am up there - with or without the Whaler crew. Thanks again.---- Jerry/Idaho
pglein posted 05-11-2005 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I will come to the Hale's event, but perhaps we should do something where we can all bring our boats? From what I can tell, Hale's is not on the water.

One posibility for the South Sounders would be the Tides Tavern in Gig Harbor. Even though the tavern itself is 21+, the dock is not, and is a suitable family environment. Are there any places like this in Seattle where we could all tie up as well as enjoy some food and drinks?

I heard Olympia mentioned. I could definitely see a rendezvous in conjunction with the maratime festival and tugboat races.

Another idea would be to meet up at Dockton park on Vashon Island. They have a large dock suitable to this type meeting, and we could barbecue in the park. For that matter, any such state or county park could work.

pglein posted 05-11-2005 07:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Ok, maybe I misunderstood. A planning meeting at Hale's, and a rendezvous in July? That sounds good. When to meet at Hale's?
Dick posted 05-11-2005 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Jerry

Give us a heads up when you are going to be here. We can allways have an emergency Jerry from Idaho meeting.

Dick

Taylor posted 05-12-2005 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
July 10th for the Rendezvous works for me too. I think the big problem last year was nailing down the date.

May 21st at Hales is a maybe for me.

pglein posted 05-12-2005 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I will make July 10th work, although it does happen to also be the date of a rendezvous on Thetus Island for my other boat, a 31' Camano. But I can squeeze both into one weekend.
Dick posted 05-12-2005 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Taylor

May 21st was just a suggestion to get things started. What would work for you?

All others pipe in with a date taht works for you for the Hale's meeting.

Dick

Matthew posted 05-12-2005 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
The 21st sounds good, but I am available other dates as well. I like some of the South Sound suggestions. It seems as if there are many cool places of which I have yet to explore (the Tides Tavern is one I have found!) Penrose Pt. looks interesting although I've never visited and Blake Island should be included in any destination discussion.

We should probably set a date and location by the first part of June.

aquaman posted 05-13-2005 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
The 21st at Hales works, 2pm is OK but 4PM would be better for me...

John

Dick posted 05-13-2005 11:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
2pm on Saturdays is the earliest that I can make it but later would be fine.
Dick
Tom W Clark posted 05-13-2005 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Hales on the 21st is a maybe for me. At this time of year any weekend afternoon is going to be a maybe.

I noticed that July 10 is a Sunday, not a Saturday. Is that OK with everybody or would the 9th be better?

Hey, I just called the Washington State Parks reservation center and "The Point Picnic Shelter" on Blake Island is booked every weekend for the whole summer. We need a new venue. Ideas?

pglein posted 05-13-2005 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Not to sound repetitive, but Dockton County Park on Vashon might be just the place. Also, it's a short jaunt across the bay from launch at Pt. Defiance for those who have to trailer. It's a litte farther from Seattle than Blake by water, but in a Whaler, that's not necessarily a bad thing.


Of course, I heard Penrose mentioned, and while it may not be very desirable to everyone, it's just a short hop across Carr inlet from where my boat spends it's summers. Horsehead Bay has a public (and free) launch that is just a few minutes away and only ten minutes from the Narrows Bridge.

As for sat. vs. sun., they're both equally inconvenient for me. But I'll make it.

skookum point posted 05-13-2005 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for skookum point  Send Email to skookum point     
Dockton Park (QuarterMaster Harbor)on Vashon Island would be a great place. DesMoines marina, between Seattle and Tacoma, has a decent ramp and it's a relatively short run across to Dockton. And there are other ramps within a reasonable distance too.

The Tides would be good too except I wouldn't want to leave my kid out on the dock eating a sandwich while we're inside.

Olympia has plenty of public dock space at Percival Landing and nearby docks with 2 or 3 different waterfront dining opportunities. Only exceptions are Harbor Days and Tugboat Festival when the docks are packed with visitors. East Bay Marina is close by and has an excellent launch ramp.

July 10th is perfect for me.

John

pglein posted 05-14-2005 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Dockton literally has countless ramps within a 15 minute ride. There's the one at Des Moines. I've never been there. The one at Pt. Defiance is the closest (on the mainland) and, although they theoretically charge, I've never seen anyone pay (I've never launched there myself). There's a free one in Gig Harbor, about ten minutes away. And, of course, if you don't mind trailering onto the island, there's actually a ramp right there at the park, as well as another one in Burton, just about a mile away.

The only people for whom Dockton would be inconvenient would be those who have their boats up north and can't or don't want to trailer. Even then, it's not bad. It's just that you have to go all the way around Maury Island.


On the other hand, if there's something up north either in Seattle or on the west side (Poulsbo or Bainbridge) I have no problem with that. I can pretty much trailer anywhere, and will probably be coming back from Canada anyway with the boat on the trailer.

Tom W Clark posted 05-14-2005 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The problem is not launching, but docking.

How many lineal feet of dock space is available at Dockton Park? Is there a reservable group picnic area there NEAR the dock?

skookum point posted 05-14-2005 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for skookum point  Send Email to skookum point     
It's been several years since I have been there, but my recollection is that the docks are immediately in front of the picnic area.

This info from the 2004 Waggoner Cruising guide:

Dockton Park - Open all year, concrete launch ramp, 58 guest slips, rafting OK, restrooms, showers, no services within walking distance. A popular 23 acre park in Quartermaster Harbor with play equipment, hiking trails into a DNR madrona forest, firepits, and picnic tables. Barbecue areas are reservable by calling 206-296-4287.

Two weeks from now I'll be in that neck of the woods and could check it out. . .

montauk madness posted 05-15-2005 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for montauk madness  Send Email to montauk madness     
Hey guys,

I live 3 miles from the park (or about a mile by boat). There is plenty of room for everyone to attend although the slips do fill up on warm weekends. There is also a popular park right across from Docton called Jenson's point. It also has picnic tables. Both have boat launches.

Overall, it would be a great place to meet up.

The Vashon Island Strawberry Festival is happening the weekend of July 9-10th

-Jeff

skookum point posted 05-15-2005 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for skookum point  Send Email to skookum point     
Should have said the 9th OR 10th is good for me.
pglein posted 05-15-2005 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Dockton has a lot of dock space. It's a favorite spot for rendezvous' and yacht club meetings. The barbecue and park area is right at the head of the dock, with the double lane ramp only a couple hundred feet away.

Here's an arial photo so you can get a feel for it:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=dockton+park,+vashon+Island,+wa&ll=47.371352,-122.453742&spn=0.005289,0.007693&t=k&hl=en

Tom W Clark posted 05-16-2005 12:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Dockton Park sounds good, though it appears the dock is quite a ways from the picnic area. Is that correct?.

In terms of organizing the event, which one of you South Sounders is going to grab the baton and run with it?

pglein posted 05-16-2005 12:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
The picnic area isn't right by the dock, primarily because the dock has a long pier. However, I don't think that will be much of a problem.

I suppose I could organize it.

The first thing I will need is a complete list of who will be coming. Everyone please email me with your name and level of interest and whether the 9th, 10th, or some other day works best. I know many of you have posted here, but I'd like to be able to put names and boats with it so I can know exactly how much dock space, etc we will need. Lets get as many people as we can. If you know someone else with a Whaler who might not be on the site, let them know, and have them email me or do so yourself on their behalf.


Peter Glein
pcglein@comcast.net

lloyd13 posted 05-16-2005 05:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for lloyd13  Send Email to lloyd13     
July 9th. or 10th. is good for me. Dockton might be really crowded that weekend, or any other in June-August. But we should be able to make it work.
pglein posted 05-16-2005 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Anywhere we go is going to be crowded. But since we're generally smaller boats, I assume most of us won't be staying overnight. And Sunday is a good day because most people will be leaving mid-day, about the time that we will all be showing up.

Again, I'm open to suggestions for other places, if anyone has any ideas.

The key criteria are:

Central location
plentiful linear dock space
picnic area
proximity to launch facilities
pleasant surroundings/family environment

am I missing anything?

Suggestions so far:

Blake Island: too full, picnic area reserved
Penrose Point: not central enough?, limited dock space
Tides Tavern, Gig Harbor: not suitable for children
Percival Landing, Olympia: not central location

I will be at Dockton this weekend, so I will check it out in a little more detail, since it's been a few years since I've spent the night there.

frontier posted 05-16-2005 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Peter,
Docton sounds great. Pretty sure we can be there on the 10th with our Montauk.
peetmin posted 05-17-2005 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Peter,

Docton sounds great either the 9th or the 10th. 22' Revenge. Thanks for taking charge. Let me know what I can bring.

Pete Butterfield

Tom W Clark posted 05-17-2005 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Peter,

Dockton sounds like the ticket. I would say the key criteria are lineal dock space for a dozen Whalers ranging from 13' to 25' that is also all in the same general area. It's much more fun if we are all tied up near each other rather than spread out, though it may come to that.

The other important thing is that the picnic area be near the boats. There is another reservable picnic area on Blake Island that is available but it is about 100 yards away for the docks. Is the reservable picnic area at Dockton right at the head of the dock?

montauk madness posted 05-17-2005 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for montauk madness  Send Email to montauk madness     
Tom, If I remember correctly, the BBQ area is about 150-200 ft from the head of the dock. There is also a great new playground area for the kids.

-Jeff

montauk madness posted 05-17-2005 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for montauk madness  Send Email to montauk madness     
Also remember that Dungeness crab season should be open and on the way in you guys can drop pots (at the opening). We catch them in about 60-75 ft of water.

-Jeff

Tom W Clark posted 05-17-2005 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK, here is what I have found out by calling the good people at the county reservations office.

Dockton is looking very good but there is a triathlon scheduled for Sunday. As a result of the this event and the set up we can reserve the picnic area for Saturday the 9th from 9AM to 2PM. The triathlon people will be setting up later Saturday afternoon and the triathlon itself is Sunday morning.

I was told we could also have a 3PM and later spot on Sunday but I think that might be too late in the day, especially a Sunday as people have to make their way home.

Here is another view of Dockton Park:

http://apps.ecy.wa.gov/shorephotos/scripts/bigphoto.asp?id=KIN0275

aquaman posted 05-17-2005 03:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Peter,

July 9 or 10 work for me... 24' Outrage

Thanks,

John

Matthew posted 05-17-2005 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
If the consensus is Dockton, we should book that Saturday time slot.
lae posted 05-18-2005 01:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
A Saturday would be better as far as I am concerned. Is there a decent anchorage nearby to spend the night. I could be enticed to pull over that way.

Larry

Tom W Clark posted 05-18-2005 01:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Larry,

You can overnight at the Dockton dock for $15 or you can set the hook just about anywhere your littell heart desires.

Hey, I'm all for Dockton on the 9th but am flexible too. What does everybody else think? Dick? Taylor? Al? Russ? Roger? Jerry?

Dick posted 05-18-2005 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Saturdays are out for me as I work from 9 to 1. Being boatless at this time I am realy a non voter. If I can get someone to cover for me I'll bum a ride from one of you guys.
Dick
pglein posted 05-18-2005 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Lets book that Saturday slot.

So far, I have received emails from only two people; Matthew and skookum point. I would like to try to build a sort of database of contact info for everyone in Puget Sound so we can keep everyone updated.

Even if you're not coming, please shoot me an email at pcglein@comcast.net and let me know your name, location, and the size/length of your boat. That way I can collaborate with Tom and we can send out some mass emails in a fomat that doesn't broadcast our personal information to everyone on the net, as well as ensure that everyone gets the updates.

So far, it's looking like Dockton on June 9th.

Tom,
Did they say anything about reserving space along the linear sections of the dock? My guess would be no. Or at least there would be a fee.

Yes, the picnic area is not immediately in front of the boats, but I think we will survive. Besides, it's not like we have to STAY at the picnic area all day. The docks at Dockton are large and stable, and a great place to hang out, sip a drink, eat a burger, and chat about boats. I've been to several manufacturer specific rendezvous' there, and they all went well.


Guys, if this goes well, I could see the begining of a Puget Sound Boston Whaler Owners Group, which could really be a resource to all of us. After all, there are probably hundreds of Whalers floating around Western Washington.

Tom W Clark posted 05-18-2005 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I just got a call from Cathy at King County Parks & Recreation. She confirmed that that weekend is the Strawberry Festival, July 8, 9 & 10. She strongly discouraged scheduling a boat rendezvous at Dockton because of this.

Moorage is on a first come, first served basis and the consensus within their office was that dock space would be full because of all the festival goers. She said no problem renting and using the shelter if we were coming by land, but not by boat.

sigh.

What do we want to do? Is there another weekend that works for everybody? Or do we want to book the 9th and see what happens.

pglein posted 05-18-2005 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
That far off, pretty much anything is open for me.

How about either June 25-26 or July 16-17? Obviously we want to avoid the weekend of the 4th, but otherwise, any old summer weekend ought to do, right?

Matthew posted 05-18-2005 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
I would think we take the advice of Cathy and reschedule or find an alternate location. Either of the suggested weekends would work for me.
Tom W Clark posted 05-19-2005 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I like Dockton as the location. I think we would do better to pick another weekend. June 25, 26 is good for me, but July 16, 17 is out.
pglein posted 05-19-2005 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
June 26th works very well for me. A friend of mine who is considering buying a Montauk will probably join me. He is busy on the 25th, but either day works for me.

We're never going to find a day that works for everyone, but we should hammer something down anyway. If we don't, it will never happen.

I know skookum point said he can't make it that day, but I think we need to get this confirmed. Sorry John.


Everyone should note that Thursday, June 30th will be the kick-off of the Tall Ships festival in Tacoma. The vessels will be accumulating in Quartermaster before that day. It's quite possible that if we have it the weekend of the 25th-26th, we will get a close up look at some of the ships moored there. On the other hand, we might not. I will ask the Tall Ships people, they're just down the hall from my office.

Again, everyone please email me so I can get a mailing list together to keep everyone informed:

pcglein@comcast.net

pglein posted 05-20-2005 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Tom,

Please email me so we can coordinate. I've got a small but growing list of possible attendees.

pglein posted 05-20-2005 01:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:

Place: Dockton County Park, Vashon Island
Date: Saturday June 25th
Time: exact time to be determined, but probably early afternoon (tom is making the resevervation for the picnic area).

This event will be informal and will mostly revolve around barbecueing some burgers, and checking out each other's boats. Still, it should be a lot of fun as Dockton park is in a beautiful setting and is a great location for summertime fun on the water.

The north end of Quartermaster Harbor is great for waterskiing, tubing, wakeboarding, etc... so bring the kids if you have them. It also offers some great opportunities for exploration at high tide, although a 2:06pm -2' tide will be better suited for beachcombing.

A short walk up the road from the dock there is a Madrona forest that is supposed to be very beautiful. A little farther (still within walking distance) the cliffs above the old gravel mine provide sweeping views of the east passage, Browns Point, Tacoma, and the Cascades.

I look forward to seeing everyone there. Again, please RSVP with me and let me know your name, username, and what size/model of boat you will be bringing. Even if you don't think you can make it, please drop me an email so that I can keep you informed as plans may change, and for possible future events.

pcglein@comcast.net

Tom W Clark posted 05-20-2005 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Gang,

I reserved the picnic shelter at Dockton for Saturday June 25th, 9AM - 2PM. It was either that or the 3PM and later slot. Is that OK with everybody? I years past we have rendezvoused around 10-11AMish.

Matthew posted 05-20-2005 05:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
Sounds good to me. Nice work Peter and Tom!
peetmin posted 05-20-2005 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Would it make sense to have someone else in the group reserve the picnic shelter for the afternoon time slot?

Pete

pglein posted 05-20-2005 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I don't think we will need the picnic area all day. Personally, I'd rather spend the day on the dock with the boats anyway.
lae posted 05-21-2005 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
Sorry,
As much as I would like to see Tom's new boat and the rest of you also. That weekend is scheduled as a family campout up the Snake at Fishhook park. It will definately be a camp on the 25 weekend and lots of tubing with the smaller grandkids.
Larry
frontier posted 05-21-2005 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Peter,
My e-mails to you are being returned. Did any get through?
Gary
Seattlerocket posted 05-21-2005 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Seattlerocket  Send Email to Seattlerocket     
Hale's today? 2:00?
Dick posted 05-21-2005 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
If it was Hales's today I missed it, LOML is in the hospital and went to see her after work.

If anyone still wants to do it let's set a date and time.

Is there vehicle access to Dockton park, been here 18 years and have never been to Vashon,? If I can't get someone to cover for me I can hop the ferry to Vashon and drive there after work.

Dick

pglein posted 05-22-2005 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
quote:
Peter,
My e-mails to you are being returned. Did any get through?
Gary

I'm pretty sure I've replied to everyone except one or two so far. If it was returned, there must be some reason. one more time, the email address is:

pcglein@comcast.net

montauk madness posted 05-23-2005 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for montauk madness  Send Email to montauk madness     
Dick,

There is ferry access to Docton park. You can catch one from West Seatle or Point Defiance, Tacoma.

I'm sorry that I'll miss you guys. My Montauk and I will be in Lake Chelan that weekend.

-Jeff

pglein posted 05-23-2005 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Don't forget Southworth. You can also catch the ferry from there. There looks to be ample parking at the park.


Directions from the ferry landing at the North end of the island (from Seattle or Port Orchard/Southworth):

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=10800+Vashon+Hwy+SW,+Vashon,+WA+98070&daddr=9500+SW+Dock+St,+Vashon,+WA+98070&hl=en


Directions from the ferry landing at the South end of the island:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=10800+Vashon+Hwy+SW,+Vashon,+WA+98070&daddr=9500+SW+Dock+St,+Vashon,+WA+98070&hl=en

(note that the time is distorted on this due to the inclusion of the ferry travel time)

If you're coming from the south, I suggest launching from Pt. Defiance so long as the weather is smooth. You'll get there quicker than if you trailer onto the island and save money. The fare for trailering your boat onto the island could be as high as $68 depending on the length of your combination. The launch fee at Pt. Defiance is only $10.

In fact, I strongly suggest this route, regardless of which direction you're coming from, due to the extremely high fees for truck/trailer combos on the ferries. Measure your rig. If you're under 30', the fee is more like $25.

Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2005 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Peter,

Who is coming so far? What boats will they be in?

pglein posted 05-26-2005 12:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Matt Irwin
Matthew
2002 170 Montauk
attendance: unknown

John Anderson
skookum poiny
1980 17 Montauk
attendance: unknown

Peter Glein
pglein
1971 13 Sourpuss
attendance: yes

Peter Butterfileld
peetmin
1987 22 Revenge
attendance: unknown

Sam Landsman
20 Dauntless
attendance: no

Tom Clark
Tom W Clark
Attendance: yes

Carl Cramer
17 Montauk
attendande: yes


John Kaloper
Aquaman
24 Outrage
attendance: yes

Dan Teets
stikbo
1984 15 Center Console
attendance: yes

Gary Creasey
frontier
1987 Montauk
attendance: yes

Brad Bringendahl
22 Revenge
attendance: maybe

Taylor Clark
17 Montauk
attendance: yes

Matthew posted 05-26-2005 12:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
I'll be there.
peetmin posted 05-31-2005 12:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
I plan to attend and look forward to meeting everyone.

Pete

pglein posted 06-01-2005 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I informed Lake Union SeaRay/Whaler about our plans. They expressed some interest in "sponsoring" the event, but I haven't heard back from them yet. So that may or may not happen. I know they said they had something else happening that weekend, but would still try to do something for us.

I'll have more on that later.

Dick posted 06-01-2005 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
pglein

I have to stop at Lake Union Sea Ray Friday morning to pick up some parts for a job we are doing. I'll put in my 02c worth while I am there.
Dick

pglein posted 06-02-2005 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Sounds good. I talked with Marty Youngren (VP Sales).
Tom W Clark posted 06-06-2005 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Peter,

Any additional guests?

Who's bring the food?

By the way, the King County Parks rules explicitly prohibit any alcoholic beverages in the park. Anybody know if this is enforced?

bear99 posted 06-06-2005 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for bear99  Send Email to bear99     
I won't be able to make it. Family bussiness that I cannot get out of.

Now that that is out o the way, is anyone interested in coming by my place in Mountlake terrace for a landlocked rondezvouz? My street is big enough to hold a bunch of Whalers and I will supply anything you need in the way of food and drink to accommodate y'all.

If there is any interest I will start a new thread.

Brad

aquaman posted 06-07-2005 12:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Peter and Tom,

Let me know what I can bring, food, beverages???

John

pglein posted 06-09-2005 11:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Tom, I haven't heard from anyone else yet.

As for the alcohol rules, I would imagine that it's enforced in the picnic area but probably not on the dock. The park is in a pretty remote location and I'd be surprised if we see a sherrif of any sort while we're there.

Tom W Clark posted 06-14-2005 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK, we're confirmed for the 25th, 9:00AM to 2:00PM. I got the "paid" receipt from the county.

What do we want to do for food?

pglein posted 06-14-2005 06:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I was there on Sunday and scoped out the picnic area. It is pretty good sized. There are two large picnic tables, a very large fire pit (about 6'x6'), a prep area and sink, and a typical park-style upright barbecue. The picnic tables are a little dirty and should probably have table cloths thrown over them before we serve food off of them.

I actually took pictures which are still on my camera sitting at home. I will try to post them later tonight.

If we plan to barbecue burgers on the grill, we will need briquettes and lighter fluid, plus it never hurts to bring your own grill to place over the one there...just for sanitary reasons. The prep area and sink are outdoor and exposed to the elements and should not be counted on for much of anything besides the running water.

I'm thinking we should bring some burgers, snacks, pop, and possibly salad or whatever people might want other than burgers. I actually have some frozen hamburger patties left over from last weekend, but I could pick up some more before then. I am going to Costco later this week and can pick up the basics for grilling that won't go bad.

Tom has already paid for the site, so it's up to everybody else to provide the extras. I will probably be bringing my other boat in addition to my Whaler. That will provide us with some shelter should the weather not cooperate as well as a place to work from a somewhat more sophisticated galley than most Whalers provide.


One thing I'm wondering from everyone, is how many will be in your party. Everyone has said, "I will be there" but no one has specified whether they will be accopmanied by families or friends. I know that I plan to bring myself as well as a friend who is currently lusting after a Whaler and possibly his wife. I mean that his wife is possibly attending as well, not that he is possibly also lusting after his wife....not that he isn't....I really don't know....oh geez, I should just stop.

pglein posted 06-14-2005 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Here's the picnic area:

http://home.comcast.net/~pcglein/dockton.jpg

Dick posted 06-14-2005 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
pglein

I sent you an e-mail yesterday. Did you get it?

Dick

pglein posted 06-15-2005 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Yes I did.
Tom W Clark posted 06-15-2005 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Dick,

Are you going to be joining us? If so, you can ride with me and Al.

Seattlerocket posted 06-15-2005 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Seattlerocket  Send Email to Seattlerocket     
HEY! put me down for 2 adults. I can also contribute to what ever is needed.
Matthew posted 06-15-2005 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
My wife and two kids will also be joining us. They will be coming by land, as I am going to take the opportunity to fish the tide change (6:44 am) and outswinger at the Clay Banks prior to the get together. I'll have room on my boat and would love the company if anyone is interested in working the early shift!

We want to bring something and the boss tells me she is thinking along the lines of marinated flank steak, a salad, and some vino. Let me know if this is in accordance with the PNW Whaler Rendezvous guidlines of food and beverage contributions.

Dick posted 06-16-2005 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Thanks Tom.
If I can get the day off I'll let you know. If I have to work I will drive down after I close up.
pglein posted 06-16-2005 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Matthew,

That is well within the guidelines.

pglein posted 06-16-2005 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Oh, and Matthew, feel free to bring a some nice fresh wild Chinook as well!
pglein posted 06-20-2005 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Well, bad news. I seized the motor on my Whaler this weekend. So, I'm guessing I won't be bringing my boat. That is, if I'm able to make it at all.
Taylor posted 06-20-2005 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
What time are we expecting to rendezvous at Docton? I was planning on launching from Seattle, but that's out. The kids are heading to Whidbey Thursday for the low low tide (-3.9) and if I want kids with me, I have to go up to Whidbey Friday night. So it looks like I'm going to launch from Double Bluff, probably around 8:30. I'll bring some soda and some suds on ice as well as some excellent hotdogs and buns. Is anyone bringing charcoal already? if not, I'll bring that too.
Taylor posted 06-20-2005 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Peter - horrible news! Any chance of a super fast repair, or a new motor?
Tom W Clark posted 06-20-2005 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Taylor,

Double Bluff at 8:30AM? That's a 45 NM run. You might think of starting a bit (or a lot) earlier and taking advantage of calmer water. You going to run down the outside or go down the West of Bainbridge?

I'm departing Shilshole (Eddie Vine ramp) along with John Kaloper in his Outrage 24 around 8:30 AM. Anybody else putting their boat in at Shilshole?

My advice regarding food is to keep it simple. Think of food you can eat while standing and walking around. That is why I like hamburgers and hot dogs. But honestly, I'm omnivorous, really! I will happily eat whatever is put in front of me.

Yes, somebody needs to bring briquettes and something to start them with like a chimney or fluid.

Somebody needs to bring paper plates, napkins and utensils (I can do this).

Somebody needs to bring a roll or two of paper towels and a container of wet-wipes is really nice too as well as some plastic garbage bags for a variety of uses.

Somebody needs to remember to bring their camera and then actually use it (something I am not good at).

peetmin posted 06-21-2005 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Tom, I'll be at the ramp about that time and run over with you if that works. I'll have a Digital Cannon 5 megpix w/ lots of storage. I'll bring some of the things you mentioned earlier probably not a BBQ but I can pick up a bag of briquettes if needed. Let me know. I have access to cheap kegs of Red hook, 1/4 barrels sure are cute and environmentally correct. I would need to know very soon if we wanted the Red Hook. Keep me posted,

Pete

Seattlerocket posted 06-21-2005 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Seattlerocket  Send Email to Seattlerocket     
Count me in for charcoal, what ever it takes to get it all lit, paper towels, wet wipes and what ever else I grab at the last minute. Including some sort of food to share.
Seattlerocket posted 06-21-2005 12:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Seattlerocket  Send Email to Seattlerocket     
Darn, Pete beat me to the punch. I can grab a package of frozen patties and toppings.
Einar posted 06-21-2005 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Einar  Send Email to Einar     
Oh, I think it's safe to say we want the Red Hook. I can subsidize that purchase. Let me know.

Al

peetmin posted 06-21-2005 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
I'll make the call right now. The keg will be easy enough to keep discrete, it's the stumbling and slurred speech that are hard to disguise.
Taylor posted 06-21-2005 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
I was going to go down on the east of Bainbridge and Vashon and back on the west, conditions permitting.

I know its a long ways, I was really hoping to have the boat and the kids in town and simply roll over to West Seattle or Shilshole around 8:30.

So, Tom, what time would you recommend that I be at Double Bluff (yawn) in order to meet you guys at Shilshole? Also, what's the name of your new boat and will you be on Ch 16?

Tom W Clark posted 06-21-2005 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Taylor,

You'll need to leave DB by 6:30 to meet us. I only say that because (knowing you) if you try to leave by 6:30 you might have it in motion by 7:30 ;-)

It's a full hours run in a Montauk (I speak from personal experience here) and only then if it's reasonably smooth. If it's choppy, allow more time for a slower boat speed as well as a longer, more serpentine course that keeps you close to shore and out of the larger waves.

Actually we could meet up with you on the west side of the Sound (east side of Bainbridge) so you don't add any more miles to your course.

Yeomalt point would be a good hook-up point, or West Point if you wanted to cross over a bit.

I hate having the VHF on. Call me on my cell. I'll send you the number if you don't already have it.

The weather forecast, especially the winds forecast Friday night may dictate the best course for you. Let's talk then.

So leaving Shilshole: me and Al in my boat, John Kaloper in his Outrage, Pete Butterfield in his Revenge 22 WT. Who else?

Jerry, I assume you're departing from West Seattle? Or some place further south?

Dick posted 06-21-2005 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
It looks like I am stuck working so I will try for the Vashon ferry after work.

Dick

pglein posted 06-21-2005 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
quote:
Peter - horrible news! Any chance of a super fast repair, or a new motor?

Not unless someone wants to lend me $6,0000 RIGHT NOW. lol. Even then, I think it'd be impossible. I will probably still come, but I will either be on foot or in my family's 31' Camano Troll.

quote:
I'll make the call right now. The keg will be easy enough to keep discrete, it's the stumbling and slurred speech that are hard to disguise.

Oh, there's going to be a keg there? In that case I'll DEFINITELY be there!

peetmin posted 06-21-2005 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Peter, I'll lend you the money. Now you may be shocked initially by my interest rates and terms...But hey, whatever it takes to get her back in the water, right?
e38sailorman posted 06-21-2005 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for e38sailorman  Send Email to e38sailorman     
Can anyone show up for this shindig? i have a 150 Sport that i keep at Salmon Beach and sometimes Gig Harbor, weather permitting i might run over to Dockton on Saturday.

Marc

Tom W Clark posted 06-21-2005 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Marc,

Yes, absolutely you are welcome. Anybody with a Whaler or an interest in one is welcome. Please join us.

pglein posted 06-22-2005 02:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Definitely show.

Hey, that wasn't you that mooned us the other day as we cruised by, was it? :o

e38sailorman posted 06-22-2005 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for e38sailorman  Send Email to e38sailorman     
Nope, never mooned anybody yet.........but not a bad idea!
pglein posted 06-22-2005 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Well, S.B. has a reputation for mooning boats that venture too close to the houses, especially if the occupants appear to be peering a little too curiously into the houses. I can't say I blame them, I imagine it must rather feel like a bus driving past your living room window and all the occupants staring into your home as it goes by. But just the same, it's a unique place to live and guests aboard my boat always seem to enjoy cruising by and looking at all the eccentric homes.

Mooning is pretty common, from what I hear, however last weekend I was putting by with about 6 or 7 guests aboard when all of a sudden a group of guys walks out to the edge and drop their drawers, with their FRONTS FACING US. Most everyone on the boat thought they were simply releiving themselves off the deck, but there were three of them, all doing it in unison. And there was a distinct left to right "flapping" motion that, although we were too far from shore to hear it, must have sounded something like a fat person clapping slowly.

We're all 20 something borderline alcoholics and had a great laugh, and the only reason we didn't return the favor was that we were sufficiently intoxicated (due to the fact that it takes a certain level of coherence to safely and responsibly operate a 10,000# boat).

pglein posted 06-22-2005 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
correction: That should have read "we were NOT sufficiently intoxicated"
Einar posted 06-23-2005 08:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Einar  Send Email to Einar     
I am bringing some cold fried/baked chicken and money to pay for some of the beer.

Al

Tom W Clark posted 06-24-2005 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The weather forecast for tomorrow is promising. Not too much of that damn sunshine, though the sun will likely appear in the afternoon. Maybe a little shower or two. Maybe not. Light winds becoming northerly in the afternoon but nothing strong.

Looks like you're in good shape Taylor.

Matthew posted 06-24-2005 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Matthew  Send Email to Matthew     
A heads up on the Pt. Defiance launch. The Taste of Tacoma is this weekend and that will limit parking for boat trailers. I confirmed that with the Boathouse this morning.

I'm going to launch of West Seattle early.

We are bringing sausages, vermicelli salad, homemade cookies and some wine.

Matt

pglein posted 06-24-2005 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Yeah, perhaps picking this weekend wasn't the smartest with regard to the ToT. But it was going to be something, no matter what day we did it. Also, the launch there has started manning the booth, meaning that the $10 launch fee is now mandatory. As a cheaper and easier alternative, Gig Harbor has a launch just on the other side of the Narrows bridge. On a Saturday morning there will be no traffic and it is really only about 5 minutes farther from I-5 than the launch at Pt. Defiance. Parking is limited, but I can solve that. Anyone attending this event is welcome to park their rigs (trailers detached and parked next to them) in my parking lot at 3519 Harborview Dr. This is across the harbor from the launch, but it is an option. Please contact me if you wish to do this. pcglein@comcast.net
pglein posted 06-24-2005 06:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Have we nailed down a time? Are we figuring on 9am to 2pm? Is anyone actually planning to show up that early? I doubt I will be there at 9am. 10 or 11 is more likely. That is unless everyone else is really planning on it. If so, I will make a point of being there.

I just wish I could bring my boat.

peetmin posted 06-24-2005 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Somebody better bring some tomato juice for this beer. Because we are leaving shilshoal @ 8 am. "Beer it's not just for breakfast anymore"
Seattlerocket posted 06-24-2005 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Seattlerocket  Send Email to Seattlerocket     
I plan to be at the park by 11:00 for sure, maybe 10:30.

I will bring a bag of charcoal since Pete is doing the beer, a bag of fozen burger paties and fixins.

Tom W Clark posted 06-25-2005 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Peter,

I got your call. I think we'll be fine. People will show up when they show up and I doubt anybody is going to get there much earlier than 10:00AM, which is more or less when I plan on getting there.

aquaman posted 06-26-2005 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
OK so here are the pics I took on the way back to Seattle. Tom Clarks-25' Pete Butterfields-22' Matt's-170

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aquaman posted 06-26-2005 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
difficulties posting images.

<a href="http://www.photodump.com/viewer/Brians70R/IMG_9615(Small).html">IMG_9615(Small).jpg</a>

Tom W Clark posted 06-27-2005 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
John,

Thanks for taking and posting those photos. Just replace the IMG with URL or url and the UBB code will work. See:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/ubbcode.html

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/IMG_9609(Small).jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/IMG_9610(Small).jpg

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http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/IMG_9616(Small).jpg

pglein posted 06-27-2005 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Tom,

Thanks for the pictures. I can't look at them yet (my company blocks photo-hosting websites), but I will when I get home. Also, I will post the pictures I took as well. I'm pretty sure I got everyone's boat.

Taylor posted 06-27-2005 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Well, I had a great time, and so did my kids thanks to the presence of the young Butterfield's.

Sorry I left abruptly without saying goodbye to everyone; I was tense about my fuel flow issues.

The engine ran fine over to Pt. Defiance and then stalled when I throttled back to go into the marina. I got gas (14 gallons for $37 for the trip down from Whidbey) and headed out. Made it about ten minutes up Clovis pass and the engine started to act up again. I took turns with George pumping the fuel bulb all the way back home. Sort of a drag, but nice that I could work as a team with my eleven year old.

I'm not really sure what the fuel problem is... the fact that it does not seem to do it cold leads me to believe the problem is in the fuel pump. This fuel pump has a diaphragm which is driven off of the preasure in the crank case below the #2 (?) piston. I'm thinking vacuum leak. Yesterday I just pulled off the fuel pump (which is not hard) and I'm going to try to get the rebuild parts (two diaphragms, two replaceable one way valves and some gaskets) along with new hose parts and basically replace everything between the tanks and the top carb. That oughta do it.

aquaman posted 06-27-2005 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Tom,

I've got additional photos to post tonight.

Thanks for the help,

John

aquaman posted 06-27-2005 11:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     

Had a great time meeting everyone at Dockton on Saturday. Here goes... Hopefully these addtional pics of our return ride will appear as links.


http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/toma(Small).jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/peteb(Small).jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/matta(Small).jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/matt(Small).jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/toms25(Small).jpg

peetmin posted 06-27-2005 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/overview.jpg

Test, if it looks ok there will be more to come

Pete

peetmin posted 06-27-2005 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
John's 24' Outrage, nice
http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/24_outrage.jpg
Tom's 25' Revenge, bigger, wider faster http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/25_Revenge.jpg
Matt appears to have eaten a bee
http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/montauk180.jpg
And Taylor is still washing the gas off of his hands
http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/montauk.jpg

I want to extend a special thank you to Dick who was not able to attend due to his work schedule. Dick donated a very nice set of marine binoculars that I recieved for bringing the beer. Thank you Dick. I'll get your first round at Hale's

It was a pleasure meeting everyone.

Regards,
Pete

aquaman posted 06-28-2005 12:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
One more of the Butterfield boat...

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/IMG_9623(2)(Small).jpg

aquaman posted 06-28-2005 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
The last one, I promise...

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/pete(Small).jpg

aquaman posted 06-28-2005 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
OK, I'm addicted...

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Brians70R/IMG_9627(Small).jpg

peetmin posted 06-28-2005 01:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
try this then

http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/outrage.jpg

peetmin posted 06-28-2005 01:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
or this

http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/rev25.jpg

Dick posted 06-28-2005 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
It looks like everyone had a good time, sorry I couldn't be there. After meeting Tom at the launching ramp Sat morning it took a lot of willpower to go to work rather than join him.

The binoculars were realy donated by my rep from Land N Sea Distributors, a Brunswick company. I was just the guy that asked for a donation.

Dick

pglein posted 06-28-2005 11:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I also took a few pictures:

http://home.comcast.net/~pcglein/dockton1.jpg
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Jerry Townsend posted 06-28-2005 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Thanks for the pictures guys. One of these days, I'll be able to get up there with you guys. A written account of the event would be nice - who made it, their boats, et.al. ----- Jerry/Idaho
pglein posted 06-28-2005 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
It went like this.

1. I showed up.
2. Pete showed me the keg
3. I drank Red Hook


from there it gets fuzzy.

haha, but in all seriousness, we had a great time. I'm so bad with names, but I think most everyone that said they would show did, plus a few more. We had to wait a couple hours for briquettes before we could cook anything, but they eventually arrived. We chatted about boats, tried to help Tayler with his fuel delivery problem, marveled at Gary's amazingly quiet new Yamaha 4 stroke, and in general enjoyed the sun.

All in all, I would say it was a resounding success. I almost don't want to wait until next summer to do it again. I can also honestly say that everyone there was truly a delight to meet. Everyone had a lot of knowledge to share about the boats, and seemed to be great people to spend time with.

Oh, and a special thanks goes to Gary for the UW hat. I sure enjoyed having it to shield my eyes from the sun, and it will enjoy it's place on my hat rack just below the ones bearing the Whaler logo.

JMARTIN posted 06-28-2005 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Sorry I could not make it, looks like you all had a good time. Thanks for posting pictures so I can admire all the nice looking boats and owners. John

PS: If you place that UW hat on the dashboard of your car you can park in the Handicapped Only parking places.

pglein posted 06-28-2005 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Maybe in Seattle. But down here there are too many PLU and UPS grads around. (myself included)
Tom W Clark posted 06-30-2005 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Thanks for posting all those photos guys. It's fun to see them.

I thought Dockton Park was a great spot. I not sure we made much use of the "picnic" area, but it was nice to have a spot to grill our dogs and burgers. The fact that Pete B. brought a keg onboard his Revenge kinda' meant the swarm stayed pretty close to his boat.

For those you weren't there but have seen the photos, you can tell it was a really nice day for an event like this. There was almost no wind to speak of which was nice for Taylor Clark who, by far, travelled the longest distance on water and did so with one of the smaller boats, his 1988 Montauk.

Taylor's trip with his two kids took him from the southern tip of Whidbey Island in northern Puget Sound to the southern end of Vashon Island in southern Puget Sound. A round trip of what, 84 NM?

Taylor and I had talked Friday evening about the weather and the schedule. Things looked good for Saturday so we agreed to meet at Shilshole Marina in Seattle at 8:30AM. Taylor showed up exactly on time.

Pete Butterfield (petemin) had already launched his 1987 Revenge 22 Walk Through and I had launched my 1988 Revenge 25 Walk Through. Pete has his three kids on board. With me was Al Ulbrickson (einar).

We had already met Dick Peterson who was gracious enough to have delivered to the launch ramp the pair of binoculars he had received from Land N Sea Distributors.

I was expecting John Kaloper (auqaman) to show up in his 1994 Outrage 24 but he did not so we decided to depart.

The cloud level was low but the water was very smooth. I was concerned the larger boats would travel too fast for Taylor's Montauk and his small children. I should not have been concerned. Taylor and his son George drive that boat FAST. We basically had to try to keep up with them. The only thing that seemed top slow him down was his intermittent fuel flow trouble discussed above.

(Aside to Taylor: I think it would be fun if you started a thread in the Repairs/Mods forum so we could track your progress as you troubleshoot your motor.)

I think it took less than an hour to get to Dockton. The water was smooth the whole way. The further south we got, the lower the clouds became to the point where at times it was misting. I knew it would burn off later, which it did and we enjoyed clear warm sunshine in the afternoon.

We were the first ones to arrive at the Dockton floats. I was pleased to see there was plenty of room for our boats with numerous slips next to each other.

I believe Carl Cramer was the next to arrive in his 1985 Montauk which was almost the twin of Taylor's right down to the 100hp Mercury on the back. Boy! it's nice to see a well equipped classic.

Gary Creasey showed up in his remarkably pristine 1987 Montauk powered by a 2003 Yamaha 60hp Four Stroke. I still cannot believe the deal he got on that boat.

Gary's son Jeff Creasey and Jeff's fiancé Holly brought a little Dauntless 13 along that was equipped with a Honda 50hp motor that looked to me to be very reasonable sized; quite in contrast to so many of todays four strokes.

Peter Glein (pglein) was there but aboard his folk's Camano Troll, a very comfortable looking craft. Peter was good enough to quickly deploy numerous deck chairs on the dock so we could more effectively block and interfere with other, non-Whalering, boaters walking the docks. They all had to thread through our Whaler obsessed conversations and Whaler ogling.

Jerry Scirica (Seattlerocket) was there in his 2002 13' Sport. We thank Jerry for bringing the briquets for we could roast our hot dogs.

Matt Irwin (Matthew) was there with his family. Matt has a rather "fishy" 170 Montauk that I believe gets lots of use, though Matt confided in me that he would not mind finding a nice old 21 foot "Banana" Whaler.

I received a phone call from John Kaloper around 3:00PM informing me he was on his way form Seattle. It seemed like only a few minutes and there he was rounding the marina. He pulled in and we all ran over to inspect his very nice Post Classic Outrage. With the single 250 Yamaha EFI his 24 seems wonderfully open and business-like.

Taylor needed to get fuel so he departed for Tacoma's Pt. Defiance for gas and a fuel hose/primer bulb assembly. By the time I departed (in the company of Pete Butterfield, John Kaloper and Matt Irwin) Taylor had fueled up his boat and informed me via cell phone he was already in Clovis Passage heading North.

The Water in Clovis was like glass that afternoon. We all motored along in close proximity and took lots of the photos you see linked to above. We were moving fast; 35 mph or more. I figured we would catch up with Taylor whose boat we could see in the distance.

At times we simply put the hammer down and were running flat out. This is a very poor way to conserve fuel, but it sure is fun. I also gotta say everybody kept up, even Matt in his Merc 90 powered 170.

It took the entire length of Vashon Island for us to catch Taylor just as he peeled off to cruise up the west side of Bainbridge Island. We headed to the east of Blake Island (site of two previous NW Whaler Rendezvous).

Matt peeled off to the east to make for West Seattle. This left Pete, John and I running for Shilshole in the northwestern part of Seattle. In the middle of Puget Sound where it is more exposed we picked up some large Washington State ferry boat wakes. With my Revenge I have to slow a bit but John in his Outrage simply accelerates over these waves. I can plainly see John is a compulsive wave hopper and his boat makes it look easy and comfortable! Man! that thing moves.

We made it back to Shilshole in good time. John took his boat back to his slip and Pete and I loaded our Revenges onto their respective trailers, very very easily, I might add. No power winches in sight!

I said goodbye to Al and proceeded to the 14th Avenue launch ramp on the Seattle Ship Canal, about a mile down the road. This is a freshwater ramp and I have the luxury of living nearby so I am in the habit of backing my rig into the water, lowering and firing up the motors to let them flush and them turn on the raw water washdown to completely rinse/scrub everything off. I then turn the motors off, pull the boat out, pull the drain plugs and I am done.

Pete showed up and did the exact same thing. This is also the ONLY way to really rinse off a saltwater dipped trailer, especially if it is equipped with brakes.

I was rolling towards home (less than a mile away) by 6:00PM. Pretty much a perfect day.

Thanks to everybody for contributing and participating. It really is fun to meet folks face-to-face. I hope we can do it again and, darn it Dick, you must join us next time.

pglein posted 07-01-2005 02:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Tom,

Not only is that boat comfortable, it also is very well built. Although it lacks the injection foam hull that a Whaler has, it is on par with a Whaler in every regard and even better in some. It is, simply put, the most solidly built and well engineered boat, I've ever been on.

I can't wait to get my Whaler back in the water, however. Hopefully by next weekend.

Taylor posted 07-02-2005 05:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Nicely written, Tom. Your new twin powered Revenge also got a lot of positive attention. But when I told Angel about it she asked "what's it for" and I said "anything" and she 'lowed me how that it is "still just a fish boat".

And yet so much more.

On another note - I just had my fuel pump apart and found one of the two flapper values inside had come adrift of its seat and was doing nothing. The valvues are made of a rubber disk and a stiffer pastic disk and a little plug thing to hold them on the body. The end of the plug came off and the rubber disk had been pulled through the hole to the other side of the pump. So I feel pretty confident that is the problem.

frontier posted 07-02-2005 07:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Thanks Peter and Tom for putting this rendezvous together. Had a great time with nice boats and nice people!
aquaman posted 07-06-2005 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Tom,

Nice write-up... Yes, you're probably right, I am a compulsive wave hopper. As you well know, rarely do we get an afternoon on Puget Sound with glass calm seas and a well timed and nicely form waves. At that point, I am compulsive...

I met up with Pete Butterfield at Sucia Island in the San Juans over the 4th, a mini rendezvous of sorts, Pete and his 22 Revenge, my brother-in-law with his 18 Outrage and my 24. Pete was traveling with a pitcher of Margerita's and a couple of buddies mentioning something about crabbing. I clued him in on the "hot spots" at Sucia, we boat 20 nice Dunguness the first afternoon the season opened. Attached find a picture of a couples of Whalers at anchor at daybreak with a rainbow over Patos Island.

aquaman posted 07-06-2005 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Attached pictures from Sucia Island in the San Juans over the 4th of July weekend


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aquaman posted 07-06-2005 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     

Attached pictures from Sucia Island in the San Juans over the 4th of July weekend

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pglein posted 07-07-2005 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Great pictures of Shallow Bay. That is my favorite place to stay up there.
Tom W Clark posted 07-08-2005 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
John,

I love seeing those photos. I was up in the San Juans last weekend too but had too many things to do and see. I gotta get up there with a little more free time.

We did get out to Stuart Island (Reid Harbor) on Sunday and walked over to the lighthouse. What a great spot.

We ran form Shilshole to Rosario in 2.5 hours going up thew inside of Whidbey. Did you trail or motor up to Patos?

Taylor,

I have yet to fish from my boat. For now it is a commuter. Maybe Sekiu in September?

Keep us posted on your motor repair.

aquaman posted 07-08-2005 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Tom,

We ran up from Shilshole to Sucia, 94 mi. in 3hr flat. Our track was the inside of Whidbey out Deception Pass, through Lopez Pass, past Spencer Spit, Wasp Pass then north to Sucia on the west side of Orcas. Great trip both ways, lots of places to see and not enough time.

John

JMARTIN posted 07-11-2005 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
John, you covered some ground. You must have been out sight-seeing with Sucia as a destination. John
aquaman posted 07-11-2005 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
John,

Believe it or not, that is a fairly direct route from Seattle to Sucia. In a small boat, I want to stay inside of Whidbey Island when traveling north and again when you get to Rosario Straight, I prefer to travel through the Islands. Rosario can get nasty at times...

John

JMARTIN posted 07-11-2005 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
I agree that Rosario can get nasty. Next time try taking the Swinomish Slough and up the east side of Guemes and Orcas. Why did you go Wasp Pass instead of Pole Pass? John
aquaman posted 07-11-2005 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
John,

Swinomish Slough adds about an hour to my trip at "No wake Speed". Pole Pass is also "No wake" so I choose to go Wasp Pass and up past Bird Rock. So many different ways to see the San Juans makes it fun...

John

JMARTIN posted 07-12-2005 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
It is kind of cool that you can travel to a destination one way and come back another and it takes about the same amount of time. For your and other forum readers information, the "No Wake" zone in the Slough is from approximatly the Rainbow Bridge just south of La Conner to the Pacific Mariner facility on the north end of La Conner. At least thoses signs have the city ordinance numbers on them. All the rest I assume are private signs. This might of changed, but I have never been disciplined for running at cruising speed in the slough. I do observe the no wake regulations in the La Conner area. John
aquaman posted 07-12-2005 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Good to know, I thought the "No wake" was for the whole slough. Knowing that I might be more inclined to use it.
Tom W Clark posted 07-13-2005 01:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
John & John,

My route was up the inside of Whidbey and out Deception Pass as well. I chose to cross to Thatcher Pass as it was a few miles less heading to Rosario and the weather was very cooperative over the 4th of July weekend.

This also allowed me to cruise by Bird Rocks in the middle of Rosario Straight, a place I canoed to as a camper in my youth (it's still a just squawking, guano covered rock) and to cruise up the inside of James Island (State Park) which I camped on several times in my youth including my first by-myself (by-ourselves?) cruise I made with a friend in his family's Whaler (a Katama converted to a sort of Menemsha cruiser. That's another story entirely.)

When we went out to Stuart Island on the 3rd we went via Wasp Passage for the same reasons as John did. Pole Pass is unpleasant especially in the Revenge with the canvas up as all the fumes from the twin 2 stroke motors waft forward and will just about asphyxiate you if you're not on plane.

Going via Wasp Passage also allows me to cruise by Coon Island which a friend of mine owns and also lives on.

On the way back from Stuart we did come through Pole Pass just so I could show my guests. I had to chuckle as we passed a good sized sterndrive blob-boat (SeaRay? Bayliner?) which had just passed within a few feet of one of the numerous "NO WAKE" buoys and had thoughtfully slowed down to about, oh 10 knots or so; just about the perfect speed to throw as large as wake as a boat like that could. Nice.

I doubt I would use the slough even if there were no speed limit. Deception Pass is just a great sight and a thrill to cruise through when the water is really running.

JMARTIN posted 07-13-2005 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
I do not remember the no wake zone in Pole Pass being very long but I have not been through it for at least a couple of years. Believe it or not, way back when there was a captain that would take one of the Washington State Ferries through it on occasion. The Slough can be difficult at times because of boat traffic and it tends to collect debris. Last Sunday on my way back in to the north end of the Slough where I keep my boat, I came upon a 65' yacht that had lost all power about a 1/4 mile north the train bridge in the Slough. She was sideways and headed for the mud. The skipper had somehow managed to get the tender off and was on the port trying to swing the bow back to deeper water and calling for vessel assist at the same time. The wind was blowing and they were in trouble. I offered assistance and ended up rafting up on the starboard side and between the two of us we were able to give her some headway and stay in the channel untill vessel assist arrived about 45 minutes later. The skipper and the deck hand must have been crew, they sure knew what they were doing. The two elderly couples on board gave my girls some homemade cookies and a couple of brand new monogramed sweatshirts when it started to rain. After vessel assist arrived and I was trying to cast off, one of the men shoved a wad of 20's at me which I refused. The boat had Naples, Florida on the stern, I wonder if they came through the Panama Canal? John
20dauntless posted 07-13-2005 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
JMARTIN, where do you keep your boat? I keep my boat at twin bridges and have been extremely satisfied.

Sam

aquaman posted 07-13-2005 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
I agree, Deception Pass IS SO MUCH FUN... We went through in about a 2ft chop and whirlpools everywhere, a real adrenalin rush...
JMARTIN posted 07-14-2005 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
20Dauntless. I am in Twin Bridges also from May thru October, then the barn. I think I have seen your boat sitting in a cradle once. I have a V-22 Revenge, if you see it, stop by and say hi. The Twin Bridges has tripled my boating enjoyment. It is so much easier now for me to go boating than when I was on the trailer in the barn. John PS my wife called the whirlpools in the Pass, "Killer Whirlpools". They can suck down a pretty good size chunk of wood so treat them with respect.
Tom W Clark posted 07-14-2005 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
John Martin,

Was that yacht from Naples an old (1950s 1960s?) wooden motor yacht with a little whaler up top? Very well kept? If so I saw it at Rosario Resort this morning as I boarded a Kenmore Beaver for a flight home.

I cruised up the Swinomish slough yesterday. Not too much traffic but the tide was again' us and we only made 3-4 knots (a very old 32' wood sloop). We had to make a pit stop at LaConner as we literally sprung a leak on the way up from Seattle and had to affect emergency repairs.

It's nice that LaConner has those municipal floats you just pull up to. We walked to the top of the ramp and there was a tavern we ordered sandwiches to-go from while we decided what to do about the leak.

Oh, we also saw the venerable (and meticulously maintained) 96', Ted Gerry designed fan tail "Blue Peter" cruise by while moored at LaConner. What a beautiful old boat. I've watched it cruise around here my entire life. I saw Blue Peter again today from the air. It was in the islands heading north.

http://www.classicyacht.org/aboutclassics/images/bluepeter1.jpg

The only boat that I saw cruise through down town LaConner without slowing down was a 15' Whaler. The commercial crabbers do NOT slow down until they get to town.

pglein posted 07-15-2005 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
Never been through Deception Pass, always either taken the outside or gone through LaConner. In the slough, I'm too nervous about grounding to really open it up, but I usually cruise at about 9 knots through there, slowing down in the city and when passing the other communities along the slough that have docks. With my 31' Camano going at 9 knots, the wake I throw up is enough to swamp a 15' runabout, and would easily wash right over a marina's dock.

There's no doubt in my mind that the shortest route from Seattle to Friday Harbor is via Port Townsend and across the straights. But LaConner is a nice town to visit, and sometimes the crew is more comfortable with that route.

JMARTIN posted 07-16-2005 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Tom, it sounds like the same boat but to tell you the truth, most of what I saw were big green fenders and an immaculate white hull that I did not want to scratch. Once the skipper gave his OK to help, we had to move quick. Then I was so nervous not knowing what I had got my self in to and watching the depth that I did not take a good look at the boat. The canvas, lines, and fenders were a kelly green. The tender they were pushing with on the other side was a white RIB with about a 115 Merc on it. John
aquaman posted 07-17-2005 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     
Peter,

For my money I'll take Deception Pass most anytime. More times then I would care to share have I gone up Admiralty Inlet to find Pt. Wilson a mess and the Eastern Straits not much better. Give me the inside of Whidbey and a few extra miles...

John

peetmin posted 07-18-2005 05:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Tom, here are a couple more photos of "Blue Peter" for your archive. I snapped these 2 years ago in Roach Harbor. I enjoy these classics and can't help but take a photo when I see one. I also had to laugh at the name as it reminds me of a couple different scenarios.

Enjoy,
Pete

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http://home.comcast.net/~p.butterfield/Blue_peter_stern.jpg

peetmin posted 07-18-2005 05:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Correction.....Roche Harbor
pglein posted 07-18-2005 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
John,

Well growing up on sailboats, deception pass was not an option due to the current. When I cross, I usually stay the night in Port Townsend and wait for the fog to lift in the morning. This seems to be the best time to cross.

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