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Royboy posted 04-12-2006 09:56 PM ET (US)   Profile for Royboy   Send Email to Royboy  
What's the deal, fellows, was Isle Royal the end-all rendezvous? I know it's cold out there, but Summer; she's a comin'! Ideas?
jeffs22outrage posted 04-12-2006 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
I was thinking about Beaver Island today...?

Memorail Day in Grand Haven again?

Of course the Inland waterway cruise is a "must do" again.

Royboy posted 04-13-2006 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I should probably throw in the Elk/Skeegemog/Torch/Clam/Bellaire/Intermediate chain of lakes too. Nice cruise possibilities there, and Grand Traverse bay is available for a "Big Water" jaunt too.


LHG posted 04-13-2006 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
It appears the Irish Boat Shop Charlevoix Factory Sales Event is not scheduled for this summer. But I can hardly blame them, nor am I surprised. Although we all had a great time, it was mostly populated by the Great Lakes Classic Whaler ContinuousWave contingent, all of us contented with our assorted Classic Boston Whalers and mostly powered with non-Mercury outboards.

No one had any real interest in ACTUALLY PURCHASING either a new Boston Whaler or a "loose" Mercury outboard as a re-power from them, not even a kicker. If it wasn't for previous incompetent impeller service work on my own Mercs, I wouldn't even have spent the $300 service charge for correcting same. And I think I was the big spender for the weekend at their cash register.

So the event must have been a sales bust for them, Boston Whaler and Mercury. The one classic Whaler owner who did attend, and with a Mercury powered boat no less, just spent his re-power dollars with an Evinrude dealership, for the ultimate insult

Royboy posted 04-13-2006 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
No kidding Larry. That was a class act, but nothing doing this Summer. I think you hit the nail on its unfortunate head. Selling a great boat is a double edged sword. Seems like they might have given it a couple of years to get going though. Who knows what it might have turned into after a year or two?

I'm headed up there this weekend to sea trial (and purchase) one of their brokerage boats, but that hardly counts. I guess I'm proving your theory, unless somebody on this list will buy Ichthus before I go, thus freeing up my equity to buy a kicker from them!

Charlevoix was a great place for a rendezvous. Maybe we should just invite ourselves and have one there regardless!


David Pendleton posted 04-13-2006 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'm going to Isle Royale again this year--Rendezvous or not.

Probably the same timeframe as last year.

Buckda posted 04-13-2006 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
So the event must have been a sales bust for them, Boston Whaler and Mercury. The one classic Whaler owner who did attend, and with a Mercury powered boat no less, just spent his re-power dollars with an Evinrude dealership, for the ultimate insult

While I agree that the event seems to have been an immediate sales bust for them, there is no telling what kind of sale after the experience that they will get from many of the locals who attended the event.

Larry, I seriously, seriously doubt that even if you were to purchase a Verado tomorrow, that you would buy from Irish Boat Shop. It would have nothing to do with them personally, but given the "deals" you can find in Ft. Lauderdale, why would you?

As for my part, I'm not a local either. I did not buy my motors from anyone in Harbor Springs or Charlevoix, so my purchase can hardly be considered an insult to the fine folks at Irish Boat Shop. They simply do not offer the product I was in the market for, nor had anyone from their company approached me to initiate a relationship that might have resulted in a sale.

Incidentally, I was not "the one classic Whaler owner who did attend"...I was one of many, as is recorded in the trip recap here on this site.

I think the only one insulted that I bought E-TEC motors around here is you. For that, I'm sorry, but I learned long ago that you can't please everyone all of the time...and I refuse to apologize here for working through a complex repower decision and arriving at a conclusion that you do not agree with. I will not do it, no matter the level of respect you have built up with me. (And incidentally, you have been spending that capital around here lately with personal digs).

I don't know what is going on, but you need to engage the enemy in private, where they live, and via e-mail.

As for sales, I don't know about you, but every salesperson I've met who is worth their salt knows that it takes time to develop a relationship strong enough to make a $50,000 boat sale, at least for most customers. That 210 Outrage with Verado power was nice, but the top end was disappointing, as was the $54,000 price tag. Perhaps a rendezvous is more about embracing a company's legacy and enhancing the culture than it is about bottom line sales. After all, it's the legacy and lifestyle that eventually sells the product.

I would never buy a product like a Whaler from "Crazy Hal" who's just got to move a boat this weekend.

Royboy posted 04-13-2006 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Should I have called this thread, "Can O' Worms 101"? Sheesh! Let's go Whalering and take it out on the waves!


Buckda posted 04-13-2006 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
You're right, and I'm sorry Roy.

I'm hoping to make it out on the water the 22nd in Grand Haven or Holland, weather permitting for a good weekend.

I also am interested in a Charlevoix/Beaver Island and a Fox and Manitou Island run as well, from Northport, or Frankfort.

Of course, the inland waterway is on my annual list, and I'd like to run the twins hard in the Crooked river "gauntlet".

I'd like to make a run from Frankfort or Northport over to Escanaba as well...perhaps stop at the Fox Islands for a morning lunch on the beach and then cross over for the night in the UP, then a run down to Door County, WI the next day and a return crossing (with the wind) to Frankfort the following day.

Roy - you're going to need a bigger boat than that 130 Sport. :-)


Royboy posted 04-13-2006 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Well, since I let part of the cat out of the bag a few posts up, I might as well shake the rest out: The boat I've agreed to purchase is a 1999 17 Outrage II with a 135 Mercury Optimax. If all goes well, my 130 becomes T/T Ichthus on Monday. At this point there's nothing in my way but a Sea Trial and a signiture or three.


ConB posted 04-13-2006 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
I hope all goes well for you at Irish this weekend. They have always had a good reputation up here.

I will be on Whaler watch to greet and meet anyone on Grand Traverse Bay.

As for Buckda's Northport to Escanaba, my tied old bones tell me, that is what airplanes are for!


Royboy posted 04-14-2006 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I'll be on Little Traverse Bay if there's no ice blowing around in there. Let's see, Northport to Escanaba, that's got to be about 80 miles of open water? I guess it's only a couple hours in the new boat! Seriously, I'd think you'd want to pick your day very carefully.


Buckda posted 04-14-2006 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Look at a chart and think other thoughts than straightline to your destination.

I'm looking at Northport to the Fox Islands, then ENE to St. Martin Island passage...then it's straight on to Escanaba in Da moonlight, eh!?

I calculate about 104 statute miles for that run. If you ran to Naubinway first, it would halve that distance.


Buckda posted 04-14-2006 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     

With 56 gallons and that OptiMax motor, you should have plenty of range for a crossing like that...figure around 3 MPG at cruise for safety's should do better than that.

You'll be joining us in the North Channel soon, I'm sure....

...and that run up the river from Drummond Island will be no sweat.

I know you probably won't sleep a wink this weekend until you get up there on Monday.



Royboy posted 04-14-2006 11:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Dave, bang that chartplotter on the table a couple of times: Escanaba is WNW of Fox, not ENE. And there's no way I can wait until Monday; I'm leaving right after church on Sunday!! My sister has a place right across the bay in Petoskey. Make that, my FAVORITE sister.

This will definately make Drummond Island a much different trip than the one we were thinking of!


home Aside posted 04-14-2006 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
How can someone be insulted about something they know nothing about ?????

Buckda & Royboy,
Some interesting trip ideas....I'll be watching


jimh posted 04-15-2006 01:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I attended the Irish Boat Shop sponsored event in August of 2005. I enjoyed their hospitality, and was impressed by their personnel and facility. I bought about $100 in fuel at their gas dock. After the event I did not feel that either Irish Boat Shop or I had entered into any contract for future transactions. I am certain they held a similar view of our relationship.

On Sunday, when I had my boat on the trailer in the parking lot adjoining their boat displays, I put my canvas cover over my motor so that its brand would not show. I did that as a courtesy to Irish, who, as my host, was not selling that brand of motor.

If a Whaler dealer held an event and you showed up with a Grady-White, that would be rude. To show up in a Whaler seems to be about all that can be asked.

We like Charlevoix for Labor Day.

Royboy posted 04-15-2006 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
How about a nice coming out party for the new Ichthus in a couple of weeks? Say, some Saturday in May. I'd suggest earlier, but it's still pretty chilly out there. Anyway, stop for lunch at one end or the other. I would think Brownie's or Decker's should be pretty deserted until June and the go-fast-gold-chain crowd starts ruining the waterways. We could discuss the options for a proper rendezvous there.


Royboy posted 04-15-2006 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Oops, I seem to have edited out the water body: the St. Clair River.


Teak Oil posted 04-16-2006 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Well those of us that went to Beaver Island know that, though beautiful, there is nothing there. If you want a quiet place to read books, it's right up your alley.

I liked Charlevoix except the traffic is really rediculous there, I cant imagine what its like on Labor Day. The idiot that decided a two lane road WITH a draw bridge would be the way to divide the town in half cleary had little foresight.

Some places I would like to go to include:

Mackinac Island (I know many of you have been there recently but I have not been there in a LONG time)

Grand Traverse Bay and the Sleeping Bear Dunes, Manitou Islands, etc. (been 9 years for me, since my honeymoon)

Escanaba and the Bays De Noc is an interesting idea, I have never boated there

Isle Royale is on my list, but I dont think I will have the time to do it justice, so I may have wait another year.

I am open to other suggestions as well of course

jimh posted 04-17-2006 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Norm Cash, the Detroit Tiger first-baseman who hit .361 in 1961 and won the American League batting championship that year, died on Beaver Island in the summer of 1986. He had come over on his boat from Charlevoix to have dinner at the SHAMROCK BAR. After dinner he went to the dock to check the mooring lines. He apparently slipped on the dock, hit his head, and fell into the water. His body was recovered from St. James Bay.

My dad took me to the night game in 1961 when Cash hit a home run that cleared the right field stands--out of the park! I was ten years old. I still remember that evening.

I have spent one evening on Beaver Island:

I still remember that evening, too.

Teak Oil posted 04-17-2006 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Yeah Jim I read your write up and when we were there last year the showers at the marina looked just like you described.

My wife and I ate at the Shamrock last year and had a young lad with a THICK Irish accent serving us, which was cool. Good food too. I wonder if old Norm had one too many Killians that night.

Nice place to visit, dont think I could live there

sportroyalwulf posted 04-17-2006 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for sportroyalwulf  Send Email to sportroyalwulf     
The best marketing ploy at the charlevoix rendezvous was the fact that there were a number of whalers in attendance that were 15-20 + years old. Irregardless of the engine, seeing the durablity and longevity of the hulls should have been some sway for potential buyers that came for a sea trial/demo.
Royboy posted 04-17-2006 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Before anyone falls sway to any more conjecture about the Irish Boat Shop Whaler Owner's event, here is a quote from Michael Esposito, General Manager at Irish Boat Shop, Harbor Springs: "We're definately having another one this year, we just haven't decided what facility to have it at". Without going into any details, nor even to identify us beyond saying "some of last year's participants", I explained some of the concerns of the CW crowd. Michael was quick to point out that last year's event was "not a sales event", but rather an effort to build relationships with the loyal Whaler owning population, and to have some fun. He said that this year they plan to spend more time with the participants, and less time running demos. he said the demos were very time consuming for the IBS crew, time they'd prefer to spend cultivating relationships that will someday lead to sales.

He said they are looking at Charlevoix, Harbor Springs, and also another facility on Torch Lake. Part of the problem is picking a place where there is plenty of available lodging and dock space, which can be difficult to do in many of the Northern Michigan locations during our short but spectacular Summer.

He also said that he was happy to see all of the owners with their classics show up as a testimaony to the longevity of his products, and that is a powerful part of the whole experience.

He didn't once mention anything even remotely related to anybody's choice of engine, no doubt because when any of you guys get around to buying that sparkling new Whaler, there's no mystery as to what will be on the transom.


home Aside posted 04-18-2006 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
St. Ignace, Mi is a nice location, with a beautiful municipal marina, easy access to Mackinac Island, Les Cheneau Islands, The Straights of Mackinac, Mackinaw City, Lake Michigan, Lake Huron......for those with smaller whalers that can't accomodate sleeping on board there are several small and larger hotels/motels within walking distance of the Marina.....It's a very nice base location from which to make day trips.....It does get busy though in the summer months, St. Ignace is also a hub for Ferry Service to Mackinac Island

Buckda, Don Jahnke, and myself did the Season Opener there May 15, the time a friend had a very nice Vacation rental that we rented for a song that was 5 minutes from the marina...unfortunately he sold the property to a new year round no more good deal on housing....


wwbach posted 04-18-2006 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for wwbach  Send Email to wwbach     
Teak, Sleeping Bear Dunes and Manitou Islands is on my list for this year. No date in mind yet. -- Bud
cdnwhaler posted 04-18-2006 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
The title of the thread is: What? No Great Lakes Rendezvous Plan?

I just thought I'd throw out the fact and a reminder that the North Channel and Georgian Bay are part of the Great Lakes.


Royboy posted 04-18-2006 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Looks like we've got the map pretty well covered. Here's what we've got so far:

Grand Haven
Inland Waterway
Antrim County Chain of Lakes
Mackinaw Island
Grand Traverse Bay
St. Ignace
Isle Royal
Georgian Bay/North Channel
St. Clair River

Did I miss any, or are there other good destinations to add? I have to say, I like them all. Do we wait a bit and see what Irish Boat Shop gets going, or press on and plan a nice season opener somewhere? How say you?


Buckda posted 04-18-2006 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
For a season opener, somewhere in Southern Michigan should be considered (Grand Haven, Lake St. Clair, etc...). Perhaps St. Ignace/Mackinac Island.

The other destinations are probably better for later in the year...
Georgian Bay is a huge body of water, and will require a little more than just a weekend to explore... that should narrow it down some.

I'm interested in a Grand Haven or Port Huron season opener over a weekend.

...and fairly soon, at that.

For the upcoming long weekend, I'm thinking further north, weather dependent, of course.


cdnwhaler posted 04-18-2006 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
Oops. I was trying to be a little cheeky have fun by mentioning the N. Channel and Georgian Bay but I should read more carefully. I didn't realize this thread was only for season openers and weekenders.

I'll keep watch for more threads.

Royboy posted 04-18-2006 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
I like Port Huron. The river should be pretty well deserted for a while yet. I've been over the Bue Water Bridge a number of times; never been under it though.


home Aside posted 04-18-2006 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
All good ideas, one reason I brought up St. Ignace and the Les Cheneaux area is because of the number of protected/sheltered areas there are to boat in....I mean Whaler in...that early in the season......
I would think Lower Lake Huron and St. Clair River could be pretty windy/choppy early in the year....not to mention the post winter dead heads and debris floating downstream from the lake into the St. Clair River.....
Royboy posted 04-19-2006 06:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
That's true, Pat. There is a lot of debris to contend with in the river this time of year. I know I could be easily talked into St.Ignace and/or the Lex Cheneaux Islands. I've been wanting to go Whalering up there for some time now.


jimh posted 04-19-2006 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Roy--Glad to hear from the fine folks at IRISH BOAT SHOP.

But, Roy, believe me, absolutely no one had any notion or ever thought for one moment that there was some insult conveyed by the way any of the people who attended the event conducted themselves. No one. Not ever. Did not happen. End of story.

Also glad to hear that IRISH plans another event. This should put to rest any wild theories about why they won't have another event.

home Aside posted 04-19-2006 08:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
As I recall, The Irish Boat Shop Charlevoix event didn't get listed real early last year....obviously there is still plenty of time for them to announce


OutrageMan posted 04-19-2006 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
If you guys are looking for a nice 1-2 nighter with a great marina, don't forget Bay Harbor. While the town only has amenities, restaurants, and activities to last about 2 days, it is a nice place to go. The marina is top notch!


Royboy posted 04-19-2006 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Jimh, I didn't mean to imply that anyone did conduct themselves badly. I was just trying to covey that when I spoke to Michael, I didn't identify CW in any way. I just wanted to feel him out a bit on how he and the Irish Boat Shop percieved the event. They were obviously quite pleased with the whole motly crew!

Brian, I've heard that is a nice big, new, and fairly underutilized, marina at Bay Harbor. Just don't drink the water (kidding). It's also close to Petoskey and hence the Western arm of the Inland Waterway; Buckda could run the Crooked river gauntlet ala James Bond!! Petoskey is a great little Northern town too, and I happen to have a place to stay there to boot.

All the wayward Whaler owners with non-mercury engines on their transoms could run across Little Traverse Bay and pay homage to Irsh Boat Shop!


jimh posted 04-19-2006 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Boston Whaler owner's event may be held on Torch Lake in conjunction with Dewitt Marine and Irish Boat Shop.


Date not set, but perhaps mid-August. The Torch Lake setting would provide a different gathering place and some different water to explore.

Royboy posted 04-19-2006 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Yes, that's the other facility the GM at Irish mentioned as a possible site for the owners event. Torch would certainly provide some excellent photo ops for the fleet with its impossibly blue waters.


Plotman posted 04-21-2006 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Toxic waste problems at Bay Harbor:
Royboy posted 04-21-2006 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
O.K., so don't drink - or touch - the water. Actually according to the article, the yacht harbor is clean.


jimh posted 04-23-2006 03:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
You can loiter in your boat near the beach for a nice bottom cleaning at no cost. :-)
ConB posted 04-29-2006 06:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
Maybe one should not even loiter around Bay Harbor.
Plotman posted 04-30-2006 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
A ph of 12. Wow, that would smart...
Royboy posted 04-30-2006 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
O.K., I'll cross Bay Harbor off the list. The bottom of my boat already is clean.


Plotman posted 04-30-2006 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Isn't bleach about a 12? I think lye is 13.5.
Royboy posted 05-02-2006 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Who cares what pH bleach or lye is and how does that relate to the selection of a place for a Great Lakes Rendezvous? Can we get back on topic here? We can discuss the finer points of caustic solutions when we get there, wherever thereis. Anyone hear anything else on the Whaler sponsored event?


Buckda posted 05-02-2006 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Roy -
I think you and that son-in-law of yours should go check out the trout fishery on Isle Royale...
ConB posted 05-02-2006 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
As of Monday, the Irish Boat Shop event does not have a time or place yet.

The Blue Angels with be in Traverse City,Mi. July 1st & 2nd. It's the National Cherry festival. It's very busy but the air show is cool.


Royboy posted 05-02-2006 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Did you talk to somebody from Irish, ConB? It would be nice to plan around their event and not have one that overlaps or almost overlaps the "official" event.


Royboy posted 05-02-2006 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Maybe we should start a rumor that Larry's going to buy a spanking new 320 Outrage with twin 275 Verado's, thus creating T/T and T/T/T Whale Lure?


ConB posted 05-02-2006 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
Roy, yes, Martha contacted Irish.


Royboy posted 05-02-2006 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
Well, I guess it's a bit early yet; There was no announcement last year until the early days of May. I'd imagine they'll be pulling something together soon. According to the Whaler site, the whole month of August is open, perhaps it'll be then. Wasn't last year's event at Charlevoix in August?


jeffs22outrage posted 05-03-2006 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
OK, so since I can not figure it out I will ask...What does the T/T represent?
Royboy posted 05-03-2006 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
It stands for "Tender To". It's what dingy's are named to identify the boat they're from.


Outlaw posted 05-06-2006 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Outlaw  Send Email to Outlaw     

I have gotten back to the page and have been able to read up on the adventures you and the rest of the crew from the NorChan rendezvous have been up to.

Caught the shots of your new expansion and even watched the videos of her first run. The twins is a perfect fit, they look great, and seemingly run just as well. You've got me thinking of what twin set up I can rig on the old Outrage.

When you get the chance, let me know where to find everyone to try and coax another trip around my area. I have a crazy summer schedule and would like to try and get out with you guys when or if you are in my area.

I was looking to find Eagleman, Kingfish, LHG and Jimh, can you point me to where they are hanging out these days.


Buckda posted 05-06-2006 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Wow Brandon - welcome back! Long time no see!

The gang's all here still.

I'll be up in your area a few times this summer (McGregor Bay and the Benjamin's probably...I also want to get some time on Lake Panache). I'll post when I'm planning to go once I get some of my schedule worked out.

Thanks for the compliments on the boat - quite an improvement over the 15, but I do miss her.

Are you back in Ontario, or still out in Cali?


Backlash posted 05-07-2006 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     

Good to hear from you!

Here's a neat photo of Outlaw taken during the North Channel rendezvous in 2003:


Outlaw posted 05-08-2006 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Outlaw  Send Email to Outlaw     

I am currently in L.A., hard at work, but will be returning to the area for a good portion of the summer as I have a movie shooting in Toronto. I am planning on a good portion of August to be spent on board my boat.

Please let me know when you will be in the area and I can try to swing something. Also, let me know when you plan on being on Panage (Penache). I have a ton of old stomping grounds for you to fight the big bass and pike that are fabled on that lake.


Thank you for the shot. I have a couple of your rig from that trip as well.


good to hear from you both, I'll look for you in the next posts.


Rich M posted 05-09-2006 01:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rich M  Send Email to Rich M     
I sea trailed the aforementioned 210 Outrage w/Verado late last season. It is now available for $45,900. It is at Dewitt Marine (on Clam River) as they share inventory with Irish. Ask for Scott Boyer, tell em' Rich Murrell sent ya!

The lower chain is my home port and as such I would recommend the Grand Traverse Bays if you are considering a holiday weekend rendezvous. The boat traffic on the chain has really gotten ridiculous in the last five years or so, particularly on the holidays. Ramps and gas docks have 1 hour waits, the few destinations are very over crowded, jet skis, tubers and go fasts churn it into a washing machine on the calmest days, etc. Think Cass Lake on a grand scale. The Bays on the other hand have plenty of room with much less boat traffic congestion, many "real" ports of call that have adequeate transient slips, etc.

As a year round resident, on the holidays we usally head for the Grace Harbor ramp on East Bay for a more relaxing atmosphere. If Dewitt has an event it would be a fun day trip (they have a great private ramp with decent parking), but with the of absence of ANY available slips anywhere on the lower chain (except a handful of shopper docks) the boats would need to be hauled nightly. Add to that the very limited lodging available in the immediate area (that is usually booked solid a year in advance) and you can see it would be less than ideal for more than a day trip. Conversely there are many large hotel/motels very close to the ramps on both Bays along with restaurants, shopping, more slip possibilities etc.

I hope it doesn't sound like I'm trying keep everyone away from my mecca, the more the merrier as we usually aren't in the chain then anyway! Just offering food for thought with your best interests in mind.

jeffs22outrage posted 05-11-2006 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
So with Memorial Day fast approaching, my outrage looking like it will finally be finish next Saturday, I am thinking work permitting I am going to head to Grand Haven for the Memorial Holiday. I also talked to Buckda and looks like he is in also. Any One else?
Teak Oil posted 05-12-2006 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I may head over there for a day, depending on the weather
TomG posted 05-12-2006 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
On Memorial Day, we will be bringing the Tiara down from Ludington to the Grand Haven municipal marina. We will be there for the entire week, preparing for the Grand Haven Offshore fishing tournament the following weekend. The name of the boat is "Experience Outdoors" and you can easily identify it by the large "" decals on the sides.

I hope that any forum members who find themselves in the GH area will stop by to say hello and share an adult beverage.


home Aside posted 05-12-2006 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Darn this sounds like fun......unfortunately I'll be working that weekend on nights and won't be able to make it......I know all that do attend will take up the slack.....have fun


Buckda posted 05-15-2006 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pat -

Sorry We'll miss you.

Tom - I'll look for you. What marina are you at?

I'll probably stay here:
Barrett Boat Works
821 West Savidge Street, Spring Lake, MI 49456
(616) 842-1202

It's right on the entrance to Spring Lake...and is a nice facility with clean bathrooms and HOT water.

$2/foot for transients.


TomG posted 05-16-2006 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Dave, we will be at the Grand Haven Municipal Marina...right downtown. On the main channel, just before you get to the power plant. Barrett's is a nice is Keenan's which is right across from it. I live 10 minutes from there, so if anyone needs Grand Haven info or suggestions, let me know.


jeffs22outrage posted 05-22-2006 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage USMI0340?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared

Sunny and upper 70's all weekend. Prefect weather to break in the rebuilt powerhead....

Tom we will be sure to stop by..

Dave, what day are you coming up? Saturday morning or Friday night?

Buckda posted 05-23-2006 01:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I'll probably come over either late friday night or early Saturday morning.

Depends on work on Friday....and if I have to work late, it depends on how early I can get my copilot up and on the road.

Let's touch base on Wednesday...when I'm back from the West Coast.


TomG posted 05-23-2006 05:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Jeff, Dave, and anyone else coming to Grand Haven this weekend. Our boat won't be there until sometime Monday...that is when we cruise down from Ludington. But I'll be around all weekend...feel free to give me a call. 248-980-6382.


jeffs22outrage posted 05-23-2006 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     

If we head out you want to ride along?

Newport_whaler posted 05-25-2006 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newport_whaler  Send Email to Newport_whaler     
I have not been on for a long time. I just got the boat out yesterday. Looks like Barb and I will be able to get it out on the water.

I was unable to get anything done this year so I feel out of place after seeing and reading about all the wonderful work that you two (Dave and Jeff) were able to accomplish.

Dave, you did a fantastic job-congrats-can not wait to see it!

Jeff I am glad to read that the Outrage is back!

Looks like the Newport is going to make it- being as reliable as it is (knock, knock). Need to get things ready for the weekend so probably not until Saturday afternoon to be realistic. –My Father in-Law (to be) has his Sakonnet ready to go for a short run.

Dave and Jeff are your numbers still the same? Mine 574-360-0914

Pat, sorry to that I will miss you this year.

TomG I hope we can get together this year-missed you last year. Sharing an adult beverage with you sounds good.

TeakOil, are you going to make it over?


jeffs22outrage posted 05-26-2006 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Yes my numbers are still the same.


I talked to Dave last night and we are looking like we are going to meet around 11-12 Saturday Morning for some cruising.

cdnwhaler posted 05-26-2006 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
Looks like you will have a much nicer long weekend than we did for ours last weekend. Evening temps were in the low 30's F and rain. It was awful.

Have fun and enjoy!


Teak Oil posted 05-26-2006 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Sorry, I am out, I have to work Saturday and Monday and the wife is working Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

Have fun and be safe

PeteB88 posted 05-26-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I have relatives in from New Jersey who are actually moving back to Mich after 20 years. We are going to try to make it but not sure - Talked to Tom G today -


kingfish posted 05-27-2006 12:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
It's a long shot, but I might snoop around over there sans Outré on Sunday. If I do, I'll probably give you a heads up on your cell, Dave.

And now that I think about it, you (Dave) might already be away from your computer, so if it happens, I'll just surprise you, and you can read about it when you get home!


Buckda posted 05-30-2006 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John -
Wish you would have - sorry we missed you.

General Summary:
3 days in Grand Haven
Berthed at Barrett Boat Works (Spring Lake)
Slip fee: $72 for the weekend and no "courtesy ladder" to help get out of the boat - the docks are about 6 feet off the water.
Destinations: Spring Lake - Jerusalem Bayou, Hanky Panky Cove, general coverage of this pretty inland lake; Port Sheldon - a nice little lake off Lake Michigan about 8 miles south of Grand Haven; Mona Lake - a very nice (and decent sized inland lake about 10 miles north of Grand Haven; Grand River and Grand Haven.
Total trip: 108 Miles (GPS)
Fuel usage: about 24 gallons
Fuel price: $2.439 along highway in South Haven,, that's not a typo...and it's sad that I'm excited about it, given what prices were last year, however, the station next door had gas for $2.79 which was generally the going rate in that area for the weekend.
Economy: about 4.5 MPG over mixed running from WOT to idle.
Boat: 18' Outrage, twin 90 HP E-TEC engines.
Weather: Hot and humid; upper 80's through mid-90's enough for a fleece out on the big lake.
Water temperature: 48 degrees in lake Michigan to 63 degrees in Hanky Panky Cove (Spring Lake).
CW Members met or spotted: PeteB88, Jeffs22Outrage, Newport_whaler We missed TomG and Kingfish

Great weekend

Buckda posted 05-30-2006 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Friday afternoon/night:
Scheduled for a ½ day on Friday, however work rears its ugly head and I’m there until 3:45. I get on the road and find them packed. An hour and 45 minutes later, I’m home, throwing my cooler and other gear into the truck and hit the road for SW Michigan and the boat.

At 8:00 PM local (I crossed a time zone from Central to Eastern time) I’m at the boat and getting it ready to go. A few last-minute adjustments are made, including the necessary re-soldering the antenna connections and the boat is connected to the truck and I’m fidgeting with the wiring. The lights won’t come on and the problem is on the tow vehicle. (Next weekend’s project is to replace the light wiring harness on the vehicle side…the salt from winter driving has corroded the connector to a point that it is no longer reliable). 10 minutes later, I have the connector cleaned up enough that the lights illuminate and stay lit. I roll out of the barn at 11:00 PM Local…much later than expected, however my destination tonight is nearby – only about 20 minutes away. I call my friend on his cell phone to apologize for being so late and to request that he go ahead and purchase the necessary groceries for this upcoming weekend. I meet him at his house, and we crash there for the night.

By 7:30, we’re out the door and on the road. The sun is shining, it’s already 73 degrees and the trailer is pulling nicely behind the truck. I limit my speed to 65 MPH and suffer through a steady stream of traffic flowing by on my left, about 10 MPH faster than I’m running. Despite this, I keep it at 65, because that ticket from 2 years ago is still enough of a reminder to keep it slow. As it is, 65 is 10 MPH faster than the official speed limit for my rig (55 MPH limit on vehicles towing trailers, except for tractor-trailers).

At around 9:45 we pull into the parking lot at Barrett Boat Works in Spring Lake. They have a nice facility and my memory from last year’s trip is of a pleasant stay (I am later reminded of the one fault at their facility for the small craft boater: their docks are nearly 6 feet above the water! Fortunately my friend and I are in decent shape, and the acrobatics required to enter and exit the boat were not prohibitive, however, that late night trip to the facilities after a waking from a sound slumber makes things interesting!

I pay the harbormaster and pull around to the ramp at the marina. We offload the boat and I take the trailer out behind one of the storage buildings and drop it so that we will have use of the truck as well.

After changing slip assignments three times, I’ve finally found one that will accommodate my 18’ Outrage (I need the dock posts to extend low enough to provide a fender for the boat to keep it from going UNDER the dock, and the wall is in need of repair…no way was I going to put my gelcoat close to the protruding rusted and broken metal retaining wall).

I’ve been in contact with Jeffs22Outrage via cell phone and I give him a call. Moments later, he’s firing up that big Outrage and alongside GAMBLER at the dock.

Jeff needs to “break in” his 235 HP Evinrude motor, as the powerhead was just rebuilt. We need to put about 10 hours on the boat this weekend. I smile to myself because that pretty much guarantees that I’ll have a partner boat most of the weekend.

The last person to call is Newport_whaler. The phone call finds him in Portage (about 2 hours away) at the grocery store. He reports that he’ll be in town by 2 PM. I confirm that we’ll call him back and we hit the lake.

Jeff’s break in procedure requires him to idle for the first 45 minutes, so we do just that – a slow cruise up Spring Lake. The Spring Lake (Ferrysburg?) Yacht Club is out on the lake sailing, and they have a 190 Guardian as a buoy tender. Nice boat.

Once Jeff indicates that he can run the boat on plane, we kick it up to a slow plane and work our way up the lake toward the head (at Fruitport). We run the boats for awhile and route back to Hanky Panky Cove. I’m pretty certain this is a nickname for the side-slough….and it’s named for exactly what happens there. We raft up for lunch and enjoy the sunshine and warm weather.

The slough begins to fill up with boaters…and I begin to wonder if the home owners along shore realized when they bought the property that a “girls gone wild” video would later be shot aboard boats in the water in front of their home. The place has a reputation for big rafts, lots of girls, etc. It is already getting crowded, with an 8-boat raft in front of us, and the local sheriff’s patrol boat has rounded the slough twice. We weigh anchor and move on before things really get going.

We run back down the lake, putting more hours on Jeff’s motor and enjoying the day. There is very little wind and the lake is very calm except for the wake of other boats. I’d hate to see the boat traffic in this area during Coast Guard Festival in August!

Once in the “no wake” zone exiting Spring Lake, I call Tom on his cell phone. He’s at the store again…in Portage. The good news? He’s mowed his lawn. The bad news? No ETA for him.

We press onward to the lake and make a run down to Port Sheldon. There is no particular destination in mind…the objective is to put hours on Jeff’s motor and to have fun doing it!

At Port Sheldon, we find a sandy spot along shore and gently beach the hulls. Kevin goes for a walk along the boardwalk…Jeff and I pull out the bucket and the brushes and begin to clean the grime off the boats (I store mine in a barn…it’s not ever really, truly, clean except after a few days of boating as I get the chance to scrub her down during idle hours at the dock, etc). The scenery continues to be nice, so we just enjoy the gift of warm weather and it’s effects.

After wading in the cool water (a “refreshing” 58 degrees or so) along shore at Port Sheldon, we board the boats and head back toward Grand Haven for dinner.

After a late dinner and good conversation, it’s time for an evening cruise on Spring Lake. Jeff’s wife Erin joins him aboard his 22, and we set off again toward Fruitport. There is a summertime carnival there that is right on the water’s edge. It’s fun to drift in the bay nearby and listen to the sounds and see the lights reflect off the water. We raft up and do that for awhile, and just have good conversation.

There is very little moon, it’s been a hot day and there is light cloud cover (high fog?) so it is a dark night. We can see lightning in the distance out over lake Michigan and we run on slow plane back to the marina.

Back at the marina, it’s midnight and still very hot. Kevin and I wait until the air begins to cool (about 1:30) to put up the canvas and hit the rack for the night. There is no breeze and it is difficult to find sleep in the heat.

Sunday Morning
At 6:00 the wind picks up, and the boat begins to bump the dock, rudely waking me in the process. I get up briefly and re-tie the lines to compensate for the unexpected easterly wind.

At 8, I’m up for good. The boat is still wandering in the slip and gently bumping the dock, but I need to keep it close to the dock in order to get out of the boat (the dock is at neck height when standing on the gunwale of the boat, and without the arch to assist, it is a difficult task to spring yourself up to sit on the dock, then to stand).

Marina mornings never seem to move as you expect them to. They never run on the same time table you are on at home…you are either up early and pulling out to go fishing or to begin your day’s travels within an hour or so, or you seem to be “stuck” there until late morning or sometimes early afternoon. Adding very little sleep into the equation and a boating partner who can’t function without breakfast first….well, it soon became clear that I wasn’t going to get much boating done until after noon.

The wind is steady at around 10 – 15 mph.

Jeff stops by around 9:30 and we head off to Grand Haven to look for breakfast, have a look at the big lake (white capping, but still relatively calm, no waves yet…just less than a foot chop) and make a side trip to West Marine (Jeff has lost a bearing buddy off his trailer).

Back at the marina, we wait while Jeff makes repairs and are joined by his father in-law. Tom also makes an appearance….AND I get a call from TomG and PeteB88.

We’re underway at around 1 and making way north along the big lake toward Mona Lake, a small lake south of Muskegon. We are passed by a 270 Outrage with twin Verados making about 35 knots south (into the wind) toward Grand Haven. He shows us the entire hull as he approaches and the boat is airborn several times. Very cool, but not so much as a wave as he passes us (though I don’t fault him…he’s hanging on!).

We make our way into Mona Lake via a very narrow and shallow (about 2 ft deep and about 20 ft wide) channel from the big lake and pass numerous jet-skis, but also a nice Dauntless piloted by three teenage boys.

Once in the lake, the depth drops to a comfortable 30 feet and we meet up with Pete and his friend, Doug (who has a home on the lake) and check out his 1972 21’ Outrage (hull #000270) The boat is in “restorable” condition…the wood is in great shape. Doug has made a few improvements for the lake Michigan conditions he encounters…the seating is customized with SS for strength. He has mounted a 200 HP Evinrude FICHT on this boat, and I’m sure (and was assured) that it screams.

Pete joins me for a short cruise up the lake aboard GAMBLER and we have a nice conversation. Soon, Jeff and his father in-law announce that they need to be back in Grand Haven at 6 (it’s 5) and they take off. Meanwhile, Tom has encountered a problem with his engine and has it beached at Doug’s house and has pulled the spark plugs to check for fouling. I vow to stand by to tow him home if necessary (although I later decide I could have just given him a ride in the boat back to his truck, since we could have towed his boat less than 3 miles to the ramp on Mona Lake and retrieved it from there). The engine fires up and seems to be running fine, so we start for Grand Haven.

I let Tom run in front so that I can assist him if there are any problems and we meet up with his future in-laws and fiancée who are anchored off the beach at Grand Haven. We enjoy the cool lake breeze and conversation there for about an hour, however the sun and the wind has taken their toll, and we are soon ready to head back for the marina. We do; and by the time we’re back, the sun is setting.

Back at the marina, we’ve met a gentleman who is also a Whaler enthusiast. He lives in a condo down the shore, so we head over to take a look at his newly restored (immaculate) 1977 9’ tender. He’s re-gelcoated this boat and it looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor. He even restored a 1977 7.5 HP Mercury motor to go with it, and has a little trailer for it. What a great boat!

After a couple hours of conversation, we say our goodbyes and head back out for an evening cruise on the lake. Just as we’ve passed the no-wake zone, we get a call from Tom. He wants to join us…so we turn around and pick him up at the marina. We enjoy a nice cruise up the lake to Jerusalem Bayou and drift for awhile, enjoying conversation, dinner (turkey/ham sandwiches) and a drink or two.

Back to the Marina for a shower and sleep.

Monday finds us up at 8:30 and down to a local establishment for breakfast. We aren’t on the water until around 10:30, but we are keen to get out there again before the long trip home, and I want to explore the river. We get about halfway up the navigable portion of the river before we have to turn back due to the time…we need to get going!

It’s a nice cruise, but we have to cut it short to turn around and head home.

We haul the boat and clean it up in the 90 degree heat…I grab another shower and clean clothes for the ride home and crank the air.

As we pass South Haven I notice the price of fuel and make a quick exit for $2.43 gas. Nice ending to a great weekend.


jeffs22outrage posted 05-30-2006 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Thanks for the write up Dave. It was great getting together again.

As Dave stated it was a great weekend to be on the water. Here are some images.... Memorial%20Weekend%2006/?sc=4 Memorial%20Weekend%2006/?start=40

Plotman posted 05-30-2006 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     

Interesting to see the mileage you are getting in a mixed weekend of boating - I'd kill for that 4.5 mpg. Remind us what you saw before with your old black 150?



Buckda posted 05-30-2006 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
David -

I'd see around 2.8 to 3 MPG with the single 150, if I stayed off the WOT running. I'm doing a little more of that these days just for the grin factor...part of me hopes that won't wear off...but I do need to conserve more.

Mixed running in the previous 147 miles on the boat before this trip put out a 4.6 MPG average...and that was through the "break in" oiling regimen.

So I'm at 250 miles or so travelled with this rig. So far, I'm well pleased - and almost through my first resevoir of oil.

Best economy on these stratified charge DFI engines is at idle...they're for slow trolling, a twin engine rig would be perfect running one motor. At cruise, I'm seeing right around 3 MPG or so in 1-3 footers, and on a calm day like this past weekend, I can tweak it to get around 4.

At WOT, you're still burning 17.8 GPH on the meter and pinning the needle in the grin-o-meter. I suppose that the grin becomes a wince at the pump...but at least I can buy my fuel off the highway where it's cheaper, eh!


Buckda posted 05-30-2006 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Jeff -

Awesome photos. You are obviously more of a shutterbug than I. I took 17 and will post them tonight.


jeffs22outrage posted 05-30-2006 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Dave I have all of these files in High Res if you want them...just send me an email address that will take a large file.
prj posted 05-31-2006 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Thanks for the fine write-up, Dave
and the excellent accompanying photos, Jeff.

You're very fortunate over there on the Right Coast
to have inland lakes and navigable rivers connected to Lake Michigan.

Here on the Left Coast of the big lake, particularly in the Milwaukee area,
we're a bit bereft of those amenities.
While we do have a wonderful 3 river system that flows through downtown
with some exciting residential, commercial and cultural opportunities,
you generally are limited to a commitment on Lake Michigan.

If fishing is your primary goal, which it is for me,
that's not so troublesome, but the opportunities for a leisurely cruise
don't seem to compare as favorably.

Buckda posted 06-01-2006 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     

Special thanks needs to go to our forefathers whose industriousness led to some of these lakes and rivers being navigable from the big lake.

In Michigan, the logging industry funded and took advantage of nearshore lakes and vented them to the big lake. In the case of Port Sheldon, while I don't know the lake's true history, there is now a rather large power generating plant there, which justified building a pier to house the cooling water intake pipes. I suppose the original pier also allowed coal to be offloaded by ship to fire the plant.

Mona Lake may have been a logging lake at one time. There are two or three instances of similar lakes along the West Coast of Michigan that were NOT vented to the big lake (North Lake in Grand Mere State Park South of St. Joseph is one of that case, if local voters had not voted against it in the 60's, the Cook Nuclear Power Generating Station would have been located on that lake...and the very small, and often closed, stream to Lake Michigan would have been opened up and allowed large boats to enter the it turns out, the voters in a nearbly community further down the lake voted to invite the station to come to their community and the very small school system enjoys big-time facilities such as a swimming pool, etc....The kicker on that one? The fear was of a meltdown or even (during the cold war) of a nuclear strike...well, the community is so close that in either of those events, we would have all been pretty much done anyway...but the other community enjoys the tax benefits and job production from the facility being nearby!).

Wisconsin is different from Michigan in a lot of ways (although they are similar in a lot of ways too)...and so are the lakes. Michigan lakes, in general, tend to have sandy bottoms and clear or dark (nearly black) water. Wisconsin lakes, in general from my observations, tend to have tannin-stained water (Lake Geneva is an exception that I can think of immediately). I've also noticed that the inland lakes are really most prevalent in the western and northern portion of the state, which leaves the eastern side that abutts Lake Michigan with few opportunities for such inlets and attached lakes. Perhaps Lake Winnabago took the balance of the surface water for the Eastern side?

Of course, you guys have the beautiful Door Peninsula and the Apostle Islands....

Buckda posted 06-01-2006 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Finally got photos uploaded.

I loaded them into the 2005 album which was at the same marina, however, the 2006 images dominate this album now.

The only shots from 2005 that are left are of GAMBLER with the single Merc 150 for comparison.

See: DSCF0059.jpg
vs. MemorialDay2006-GrandHaven013.jpg

Also one of my favs: MemorialDay2006-GrandHaven010.jpg

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