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WB Bay Area Tuna Fleet Run in the Planning
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posted 04-10-2006 02:50 AM ET (US)
I am looking forward to a great fishing run this year for a group of whaler friends. My last roster reads 50 Whaler Boys in this group. It is not a formal group, just friends with whalers.
I am no longer as savvy as I once was with fishing. With declining fish and more fishing regulations, I somehow got tired following all the regulations at some point.
This summer and fall, I like to re-create a dream I have since I began fishing. A whaler fleet to run for tuna and catch them for fun. Everyone have their own self and good intentions on how they want to have their fish and I'll let you guys decide with what you want with your fish.
For me, I am just interested in seeing the whaler fleet comes alive and true. So with this roster, I am looking forward to have a plan ahead of time since most of us work most of the week and some do work on weekends.
I have spoken to Abe and Angelo and I am very lucky to find that they are my next door neighbors. We are looking forward to those days. Not only that, my best friend got his 22-ft Outrage that is getting rigged and ready for the run. Our goal this year is to have fun and do the adventure chasing them when the albies comes around.
The whaler boys tuna fleet run may happen on a Monday when the albies comes near. Monday .. because that is the time when Abe and Angelo are more likely off-work. In a way, it might be good so we can get out of the traffic from all those weekend sports fishermen. Most of us are all busy from work so putting this plan out early will give each one an idea if ever they want to join the fun.
I never like politics and never intend to be part of it.
I don't rule this group, everyone is free to express their opinion and suggestions. Feedbacks on how we will do this is much appreciated.
My email address is email@example.com.
Regards to all whaler friends.
posted 04-10-2006 05:28 PM ET (US)
With enough prior notification and good weather, I would be happy to make a tuna run w/ a bunch of Whalers. I have absolutly NO Tuna equipment, but I suppose I'll worry about that later.
posted 04-10-2006 11:06 PM ET (US)
Where are you leaving from. If its not to far I'm in.
posted 04-11-2006 01:05 AM ET (US)
Probably one of these 3 areas.
Half Moon Bay. Golden Gate bridge. OR Santa Cruz.
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)
posted 04-11-2006 02:14 AM ET (US)
I vote Golden Gate Bridge. I never recieved an updated version of the Whaler list by the way...
posted 04-11-2006 02:22 AM ET (US)
We are going where the magic duo says to go. Keep your trailers and boat tuned-up .. it is still a long way to go but planning now makes it a lot easier.
The bigger whalers will do the lead pack and have the smaller whalers follow behind. We will execute the plan and hopefully be a successful trip.
We'll most likely leave the dock just as the sun is about to rise. The plan is to have a two-boat team each for safety but we can always fine-tune that setup.
The ocean is big and huge out there, we want all to be safe and catch a few and have fun.
I tracked the albie runs last year so more likely we will hit the same old fishing holes and get them. Again things and plans always change. But I am excited to do this expedition with all whaler boats with us.
After 2 decades of fishing, my appetite to eat them is no longer the same. But I like the adventure and fun to get them. I also know there are whaler guys out there who are very experienced on getting them. We will poll our ideas and hopefully come with the best plan.
Let's keep talking about it for now. I will start calling and say hello to the roster after tax season is over.
I think a Monday is a good day to pick. I'll take a day off myself.
posted 04-11-2006 02:34 AM ET (US)
1) Probably no albacore tuna until August.
2) Last year, 30 miles offshore from Half Moon Bay during the albacore run, was as crowded as a WalMart parking lot.
3) If everyone is out 30 miles, you have to go out 40 miles.
Let's go get 'em!!!!
posted 04-11-2006 07:51 AM ET (US)
Here in the NE Atlantic the albacore tuna are 70 nm to the east, minimum. By best is 67 pounds, trolled on a squid spreader rig.
Your plan sounds great, and I think I know of the brothers you speak of, as they are frequently in the sports magazines. Always fishing SF waters in a Whaler.
posted 04-11-2006 08:47 AM ET (US)
Yeap, you know the pair (brothers). They frequently write articles in sports magazines.
Hey Bernie, Most likely they will leaving out of the golden gate because both there boats are at sf marina (gas house cove), unless they hitch a ride on another whaler.
I will not join you guys. I will probably go during the weekend.
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)
posted 04-11-2006 12:14 PM ET (US)
The Monday schedule is a tentative start target but will probably change because most of us are all weekend fishermen. It is not casts into stone yet ... since we all know .. we go when they are there and the weather is nice.
I really prefer weekend like Ken said.
posted 04-11-2006 12:18 PM ET (US)
I'll send you the roster tonight when I get home.
posted 04-11-2006 12:33 PM ET (US)
If its calm, I'd like to run my little 15 out with you guys. I did this once out of a small boat (on a calm day out of SC) and it wasn't so bad and that was out of a Scout.
We haven't had good tuna fishing out here since 2003 so we are about due. I am getting excited.
I'll start getting the gear together tonight. Looks like we only have 5 months to get ready.
posted 04-11-2006 12:59 PM ET (US)
I keep my Outrage 22 Cuddy in the water in Santa Cruz, and would love to run for albies with some other CW folks. I've never fished for them, but with my soon to be installed new outboard, I have the confidence (and range) to make the long run out when they arrive. Buddy boating is the safest way to go, and I'd love the chance for someone to show me the ropes on catching tuna. Count me in.
posted 04-11-2006 01:35 PM ET (US)
We make regular Tuna runs from our Whalers here in Southern Cal.
Typically we trailer down to Point Loma or Mission Bay to depart. In the past few years the run has been on average 70-95 miles to get to the main body of fish... Albacore.. The yellowfin and some times bluefin may come a little closer. With a La Nina this year, the colder water may bring the Albies into a 25-30 mile range.
I might consider coming up north as I have always wanted to fish north of Morro Bay for tuna.
You can add me to your list.
posted 04-11-2006 06:44 PM ET (US)
Well, you're never know. 2004 season I caught the first Tuna (Bluefin) on late June just outside Monterey weather bouys, and the same year I caught one albie was about 2 nm from the Cypres (still can see my reports on CS). My tuna gears are alway ready right after I caught the first Salmon of the year. IMHO Tuna are not like salmon they do not wait for me on weekend or Monday. If I saw the good tuna's report and weather is decent, we going out nextday. Admitted in the past I went out on non-whaler boats for tuna (warmmer ;=) but may chance this year. Skeepyjack
posted 04-11-2006 07:34 PM ET (US)
Good feedbacks guys ...
I know we all have non-whaler boat buddies too ... they are welcome to join and nothing is wrong with that but I prefer to have the whaler boys out there for one reason ..
My reason why the Whaler Boys is resurrected, it was one heck of a fun group until I got tired of fishing at one point because of work schedules and raising a kid and family.
If you have a smaller whaler 17 and below, stay in between boats so we are always next to you. When accidents or capsize happens, time is the essence. We'll be there with you as fast as our boats go.
He was right ... we go chase them when they are there and may sacrifice timeoffs to make it happen.
It is fun when you have a bunch of boats racing to the outfield.
posted 04-12-2006 03:49 AM ET (US)
Jasper ... I emailed you the list.
For whaler owners in the Bay Area who wants to join this informal group, just send me your
and that's all to it. No politics, no collections, just fish and fun. Expect a bunch of whalers to fish with.
Target this year: Tuna Runs
We will deploy where the fish are running.
The list is a confidential document, only people on the list gets them. Please respect everyones privacy but call anyone in the roster if you need help or want to fish together.
posted 04-12-2006 04:28 AM ET (US)
I forgot to say ... the plan is Abe, Angelo, Vernon and myself will be on the 22 Outrage. We'll have a non-whaler backup boat that will tag along (Brian's 20 ft Grady) and if the weather is flat, I will also use my 17-ft Montauk. If they are behind past Farallon's northside, we will launch out of SF. If they are at the canyons, we'll deploy in HMB. If Devil's Slide is not open when the albie season comes, we'll launch more likely in SF. If the magic duo will use their boat, Vernon, me and Brian will be on the other boat. If more friends are coming, I'll use my Montauk and ride side by side with other smaller Montauks. If we have more bigger whalers joining in, it's possible to join and hop on each other's boat and consolidate. If more boats coming from Sunnyvale and Sacramento and the East bay are coming, then we'll have a
one hell of a boat run to the fishing grounds. Don't forget to bring your digital cameras.
posted 04-12-2006 11:02 AM ET (US)
If your able to hold and get live bait. GET IT !
This really helps.
posted 04-12-2006 01:55 PM ET (US)
What's the typical milage in a day of Tuna fishing? Will I need spare fuel running out of a 19 Outrage w/ twin 2Stroke 70's? I hold approx. 63 gallons of fuel.
posted 04-12-2006 02:43 PM ET (US)
Figure 80 miles round trip. You should be fine with 63 gallons assuming you get 2 mpg.
I get 3.5 mpg on average with a 90 hp 4 stroke.
posted 04-12-2006 04:56 PM ET (US)
On a 5-boat team, we all carry a separate gas containers as reserve. If you think you will be running out or be short, you are always welcome to tap on the reserve supply.
That's the good thing about a boat tag team. We should stick together when out there especially for little whalers like ours. There are times when the area is loaded with boats way out there and boats will criss-cross and merge with other boats, we'll try to get away from those so we don't lose one of the tag team. It is easy to get lost. What we did before was put a colored flag in our bow rails so we can identify our tag team.
On the roster, I have some veterans and a lot of new whaler boaters. So we will more likely learn as fast as we can from one another including maneuvering waves in that part of the ocean.
I think we can put about 10 to 15 whalers to go, just my conservative estimate. We are also open to ideas launching towards Santa Cruz or Moss and Bodega. Again, we'll decide based on where the fish are running.
Whaler buddies who cannot bring their boat to the trip, it is possible to give some guys with their boats a call. A lot of these people are friendly and accomodating. A good talk and planning is all we need.
Boaters who are familiar on those ports should lead the way to the fishing grounds and back home. We all leave at the same time and come back the same time. So plan ahead to spend a lot of hours or less if it gets snotty. If some bigger boats decides to stay, we'll make sure that everyone is accounted for and have company. The rest who wants to leave can go and hopefully with another boat with them back as company.
If you get an engine problem out there, depending on the size of the boat, it might be real dark when we'll make it back from towing your boat. If it happens, we can have two boats towing one disabled boat. Shldn't take long to get home that way.
Please check those boat lights and make sure they work.
We'll arrange a place and time to meet. We'll keep on talking.
posted 04-12-2006 05:16 PM ET (US)
hmbbuddy: You can count me in. I have never been tuna fishing before and have been dying to go with other boats to see if its fun enough to throw down on an EPIRB.
I even have Top Gun outriggers that I haven’t used yet (I think these can be used for tuna fishing; correct me if I’m wrong?)
Using the 1/4 out, 1/4 back, 1/4 trolling and 1/4 reserve rule I could go about 80 miles offshore but I’m not sure my body could take a 3-4 hour trip each way in our waters though.
How far offshore do you really have to get tuna on an average day during an average year?
posted 04-12-2006 05:46 PM ET (US)
Sounds like a great plan...I'd love to go if the seas are pretty calm in my Montauk...Just introduced to salmon fishing last season and got hooked...love to learn more about Tuna fishing and see a sweet fleet of whalers around here.
posted 04-13-2006 12:32 AM ET (US)
Wish I was a little closer to you guys. I feel as I know your waters as I review the chart and have marked the 601 and chringe at the thought of the guide. As a youth I lived 9 years in Pacifica and on clear days from our yard high on crespi peered across pedro and wondered what those boats were doing way out there.
I'm up by Humboldt and have yet to venture on our montauk for the longfin, however I have hopped a ride in the past.
I don't believe I could get a buddy to go that far, but would like to keep notified should circumstances change.
p.s. my friend, it is good to dream good dreams!
posted 04-13-2006 02:22 AM ET (US)
On the roster, there's about 15 or so boats in the 20 and above ft. I think your passport to ride with the guys is to just show them a picture of your whaler if you are not taking your boat. Negotiate .. their turn this side of the port and your turn on your side of your port. People do sometimes are willing to tradeoffs.
I know guys like Tom (Waterline) will accomodate a great crew. He's got the most beautiful whaler 20 ft plus boat in his backyard that I have seen (aside from the boat shows).
Another thing I need to mention is what to expect and not to expect during the run. There will be days when the run in the early morning to the fishing grounds will be flat and nice, then it gets nasty with huge whitecaps in the afternoon from 2 PM downwards. There are times when the get going out is rough but drivable with 6 ft waves to hurdle ... then when you get past about 5 miles the water gets better ... then throughout the day it gets flat.
Here's one thing I really like to mention. Since our little whalers are pretty much designed for nearshore fishing, putting a 17 ft whaler out there is really a guts call but it can do it. Some boats who might come to this run may not have the radar on their boats. The way we can solve this is to have a boat partner to run who's got the radar. Stick to that boat like a leech. The water may be nice not until when the darn fog comes creeping in. The fog can do outrun your boat and I have been caught several times (not having a radar) ... it was not a fun ride home.
Ocean fishing is all about knowing when to hold on and knowing when to run and head home. You have to watch the weather from yesterday and to the next five days. Figure if it is safe to do the run. I feel braver when I see other whaler boats next to me. During the run to the fishing grounds, it is a pounding 2 hours drive-out and 2-3 hours drive trolling getting your fish and 2 hours drive heading home. It is a back breaking trip so I advise everyone to start working out and be in shape starting this summer spell. Be well rested before the day of the tuna adventure.
Do not despair when you don't get them one day, there is always another day and sooner or later we'll get them.
During my fishing days last year in HMB, I have spoken to a guy with a 15ft whaler ... forgot his name. But he told me he's got his whaler doing tuna runs in HMB several times. Which only proves your 15ft whaler can do it too.
A waterproof overall is a good thing to wear during the trip. It is cold, wet and up and down ride in the morning.
I wish some people who have done tuna runs can share more tips here for the beginners. I am not saying I am an expert here but I know a lot of guys who are the gurus in this kind of fishing.
I'll be waiting for their inputs here. Night all. Need to finish my taxes.
posted 04-13-2006 12:57 PM ET (US)
I have been doing a few tuna runs a year for about 6 years now. I am no expert either but I can share what I've learned.
Being seasick out there is bad news. Even on the flattest day, the water rolls and you feel the pain. If you are very prone to seasickness, get some real medication. I have a scope patch that needs to go on the night before. Some of the medication used to treat chemo patients are great at preventing nausea. Believe me, it is no fun getting sick out there. You just want to crawl into a ball and wish yourself home. You will be in no shape to run a boat. A great site for seasick info is:
As hmbbuddy said, get a good set of slickers. The first time I went out I wore expensive Simms flyfishing clothes that were promptly covered with blood at our first bait stop. It gets messy out there. And cold, then hot, then cold again, then hot again... you get the idea. So layer properly.
Radar is key. And don't underestimate the position or speed of some of the large ships (barges?) out there. They move FAST. I had a close call once when my buddy tried to outrun one of these guys in the dark. We had a very close call. The only thing that saved us is that they saw us on their radar and slowed down... but they caught up to our position fast before they stopped. Needless to say, they were not happy.
Trolling tips for tuna? This is a great article (yes, it too is from the charkbait site but they have a lot of good stuff on there)
Make sure you are ready to handle the run and tuna. They will kick your butt! They are pelagic fish so they have amazing stamina and don't tire easily. Even on 60# test gear, a 30# will put the hurt on you if you are not in shape. After that, the run home, when you are beat and tired, is very tough. The wind comes up, the boat pounds, and your back starts to hurt. Start getting in shape now.
Hope this helps.
posted 04-13-2006 08:51 PM ET (US)
Ali thks for sharing your info.
Quick msg here: I just added a few more whaler boys on the roster. Now at 53 whaler boats. I think there's more that I did not wrote down. Please send me your boat details. In my estimate, we'll probably balloon to 100 boats when the season peaks up. I think it is going to be good and fun.
posted 04-16-2006 03:29 AM ET (US)
I reorganized the roster and divided the group into
North, Central, East bay and South.
I noticed that it came out to be pretty much even in the groupings.
I purge some that I can't get hold of or when the data is incomplete like having no boat as listed.
I will try to send everyone an update. I might also accept someone's (one of our listed boat friend) offer to set up a board for future events also. No discussion, just fishing schedules.
BTW, thank you Jim here for giving me the chance to post trying to organize these whaler buddies here in the San Francisco Bay Area.
There's about 52 or more boats now listed. Gnight all.
I will post the Group Fishing Schedules here .... when we get a chance to fish.
posted 04-16-2006 07:30 PM ET (US)
posted 04-18-2006 04:42 PM ET (US)
James, thanks for putting it in the right spot! Good weather is around the bend.
Jack of Tackle Tour also created a Forum for the Whaler Boys ... here's the new link
Scroll down and you'll see Whaler Boys ... it is new and it is a good start.
Will give us more exposure too.
posted 04-18-2006 09:52 PM ET (US)
If time, and weather permits, I'd love to push my little skiff out there far. I'd most likely be doing jerry cans in my boat being that I don't have that large of gas tanks. Sounds like fun. I too, am a tuna rookie, so I'd have to get schooled at the OPS here in Rohnert Park for some tuna 101 instruction.
posted 04-18-2006 10:21 PM ET (US)
I don't recommend jerry cans. When it's rocking, it's pretty hard to pour gas into you gas tank. I recommend a quick disconnect to another fuel tank, like an extra Tempo 24 gallon.
If you do use jerry cans do not get the environmentally correct ones. Those will take 30 minutes to pour 10 gallons. (I'm exaggerating a little.)
posted 04-19-2006 03:27 AM ET (US)
Good point Warren,
I have a couple extra plastic tempo style tanks with hoses. That will work much better. Plug and play so to speak.
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