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Buckda posted 03-16-2010 01:26 PM ET (US)   Profile for Buckda   Send Email to Buckda  
This is the TRIP PLANNING thread for a proposed trip to Isle Royale National Park in August/September 2010.

All are welcome.

Here are the dates:

August 28 – September 5

Parties will likely depart from Grand Portage, MN and Copper Harbor, MI. I will be departing from Copper Harbor, MI on Sunday, August 29 with an expectation for a return crossing on Saturday, September 4 some time in the afternoon or evening. I plan to travel/tow on Saturday, August 28 and Sunday, September 5.

This is the planning thread for the trip previously discussed and proposed here: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001101.html

For previous trip references, here's the "planning" thread for the 2005 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000484.html
Here's the "trip report" thread for the 2005 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000600.html
And here's the thread for the 2007 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000884.html
A TRIP REPORT thread will be referenced once this trip is completed, and will highlight the trip for those who cannot attend.
So….it’s official – please work with whomever necessary to secure time off work, spousal approval, etc.

Here’s my disclaimer for this trip:
This is big water. Isle Royale can be accessed by small boat for an added cost by loading your small vessel aboard the US Park Service’s RANGER III ferry, which departs from Houghton, MI on a regular schedule. Contact the Park Office for details and information. The rangers will attempt to discourage you from making the crossing in a boat less than 20 feet. Please be certain that your equipment is up to snuff, your gear is all operational and you are comfortable operating in a changing environment with cold water and the possibility of fog and/or long weather delays. Canvas shelters or other protection aboard your boat are recommended, but a good alternative if you are hardy is a good (expensive) rain suit (Cabela’s GuideWear is excellent, as is West Marine’s THIRD REEF product) and an (inexpensive) set of ski goggles (buy now at end of season sale prices!). Good waterproof gloves would come in handy as well. (This advice applies to all open Whalers no matter what length!). Paper Charts are also recommended in addition to your electronic mapping software on your GPS.

The good news is that there will be plenty of folks around – including Rangers, if needed for an emergency. The bad news is that you’re still going to be in the wilderness – so please be prepared.
Looking forward to a relaxing, enjoyable and fun trip!

Buckda posted 03-16-2010 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hmmm...sorry for the missed UBB Coding:

This is the planning thread for the trip previously discussed and proposed here: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001101.html

For previous trip references, here's the "planning" thread for the 2005 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000484.html
Here's the "trip report" thread for the 2005 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000600.html
And here's the thread for the 2007 trip: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000884.html

David Pendleton posted 03-16-2010 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Some useful links:

Isle Royale National Park
http://www.nps.gov/isro/index.htm

NOAA Online Chart Viewer - 14976 Isle Royale
http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/14976.shtml

Isle Royale Virtual Visitor Center (a little dated, but full of useful information.)
http://www.nps.gov/archive/isro/home.htm

Rock Harbor Lodge
http://rockharborlodge.com/

Copper Harbor, Michigan
http://www.copperharbor.org/

Grand Portage, MN. Grand Portage doesn't have it's own web site. If you leave from GP, you'll use the following two services of the Grand Portage Casino.

Trading Post
http://www.grandportage.com/tradingpost.php

Marina
http://www.grandportage.com/marina.php

Other fun stuff:

Isle Royale Wolf-Moose Study. The longest running predator-prey study in the the world.
http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/wolfhome/home.html

Isle Royale Boaters Association
http://www.isleroyale.org/

K Albus posted 03-16-2010 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Some more useful links:

National Park Service Isle Royale Boating Guide: http://www.nps.gov/isro/planyourvisit/upload/Boating%20Guide.pdf

NOAA BookletChart for Isle Royale (prints in 8.5 x 11 inch sheets): http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14976_BookletChart_HomeEd.pdf

NOAA BookletChart for Copper Harbor (prints in 8.5 x 11 inch sheets): http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14964_BookletChart_HomeEd.pdf

NOAA BookletChart for Grand Portage and Isle Royale (prints in 8.5 x 11 inch sheets): http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14968_BookletChart_HomeEd.pdf

K Albus posted 03-16-2010 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Here's one more link. This one is for a Checklist Maker. It has several checklist templates which you can edit to customize for your trip. http://www.boatmaine.us/checklist-maker.aspx
David Pendleton posted 03-16-2010 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I have several decisions to make regarding this trip, more specifically my point of departure and days of travel.

The previous two trips I left from Grand Portage, MN after overnighting in their marina/RV park; both times I was the only attendee to do so.

It's not out of the question for me to depart from Copper Harbor, but I would base that decision on the dates of departure and return.

For planning purposes, I will commit to departing Grand Portage Marina on Saturday August 28th in the late afternoon overnighting at Windigo or thereabouts (Beaver or Grace Islands) and joining the Copper Harbor crossers at Snug Harbor on Sunday.

The Grand Portage to Windigo crossing is approximately 20 miles of open water.

The Windigo to Snug Harbor run is approximately 50 miles of big water around the island. It isn't until you get in to Rock Harbor proper that anything resembling sheltered water appears.

My return to Grand Portage is open, but no later than 0900 Monday September 6th.

Hal Watkins posted 03-17-2010 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Late last August we departed Grand Portage mid morning and had an easy crossing to Windigo, about 22 miles. After cruising the south side we camped 2 nites in Moskey basin, went around the NE end and camped 2 nites on Birch Island at the entrance of McCargoe Cove. From Todd Harbor we made a slow 44 mile pounder back to Grand Portage...almost 7 hours. It was a beautiful sunny day with a wind straight on. We fiddled out of McCargoe late morning and putzed to Todd, by the time we headed in, the wind had kicked up. Next time, "Travel early"...We are planning on IR2010!
Hal, Waseca, MN 170 Montauk, "Voyager"
David Pendleton posted 03-18-2010 10:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Hal, I assume you are planning on Grand Portage as a departure point, correct?

What date(s) are you thinking of? I will certainly make the crossing with you if you like.

K Albus posted 03-18-2010 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Mr. Buckalew, what is your plan for Saturday, August 28? For instance, what time to you plan to reach Copper Harbor? Where will you be spending the night on August 28? Will you be trying to reach the Isle Royale Houghton Visitor Center in time to check in on Saturday afternoon (I believe it closes at 4 p.m. at that time of year)?

Similarly, where do you intend to spend the night on Saturday, September 5? Will you be immediately departing from Copper Harbor as soon as your boat is back on the trailer, will you be spending the night in a slip in the marina, or will you load your boat on the trailer and sleep in the boat in the marina parking lot?

Regarding tow vehicles and trailers, I seem to recall from your earlier trips that there was no problem leaving them at Copper Harbor for week. Is there a charge for doing so, or would this be covered by the Michigan Boater Access Site sticker or State Park annual pass?

Buckda posted 03-18-2010 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Here is my current plan. The drive to Copper Harbor is a long one - it will take all day, and it is likely that I would arrive after the harbormaster departs for the day. Fortunately, there is a very clean pit toilet at the ramp that is always open, as it will be unlikely that I'll get there in time for a bathroom code (but if someone else does, that'd be great!). This also allows a leisurely dinner at Harbor Haus and any last minute shopping can be done at the local general store (VERY SMALL, VERY LOCAL - if you have a big item that is missed, stop on the way up in Houghton!).

The truck will be parked in the "upper" lot (of two). Typically, we wedge the tow vehicles very close together and as far in the corner as possible to maximize available room for other ramp users during the week while we are gone.

There is no additional charge for this parking if you have a Michigan State Park/Boating Access Permit.

I plan to launch and stay the night at Copper Harbor aboard the boat. In the morning, I plan to wait until the attendant arrives and pay for my slip and let him know my plans for return the following Saturday; then re-check and secure the truck and trailer and depart for the island.

For the return, I'll remain more flexible. If the weather is nice, it makes sense to get up early on Sunday morning and make the crossing. You can pay the Copper Harbor marina a few bucks for a shower and hit the road immediately - however, I prefer a more leisurely pace. My recommendation is to cross over at some time on Saturday - again, depending on the weather. This allows a more comfortable transition from boat-bound life to shore-bound life, plenty of time to clean up and stow the gear for the boat, etc. I'd spend the final night aboard at the dock and then haul the boat in the morning. My plan would be to have almost everything completed and ready to go...just pay the man, have my shower and hit the road.

I think one of the years we left before the attendant got there, and I slipped the money under the door for the gift shop/office.

As for park registration - you can do this online ahead of time, or you can register upon your arrival at the Rock Harbor or Windigo Ranger Stations.

L H G posted 03-18-2010 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
This is none of my business since I am not making this trip, but I think it's too late in the season for RELIABLY calm seas for an open water crossing like that both ways. Even using my 25 Outrage, I would take a pass.

One thing I have done is been on a lot of Labor Day weekend cruises in the Northern Great Lakes of Michigan and the Huron North channel, and the weather can either be great or terrible, on about a 50/50 basis, and change rapidly. When it was windy, cold and rainy, I could only assume Superior would be worse.

At the best, I would only consider such a trip leaving from Grand Portage, and if the weather forecast was turning foul, I'd cut the trip short and head back.

Buckda posted 03-18-2010 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Thanks Larry.

Wish you'd join in with Whale Lure. Sorry you won't make it.

Buckda posted 03-18-2010 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Also –

To Larry’s point, (and thanks again for chiming in) I’ll refer you to my disclaimer above with special emphasis on the need to be flexible and prepared for weather/fog and/or delays. WX radio is generally available on the island, and it is my practice to listen to it every morning and evening in planning the day’s activties. I think in my 2007 trip report, I reported leaving the island early due to the forecast. In the 2005 report, we were delayed by a day at Copper Harbor due to high winds and waves.

I’m of the opinion that you should have budgeted additional money to make alternate arrangements should weather close in. You have several options, which you should take a moment during the planning phase to think about.

You should plan to have the flexibility to either leave early or be able to take Monday off work in the event you are “trapped” on the Island or need to work through one of the following “time eating” options.

1.) If weather moves in and appears to settle in – you could be forced to spend an extra day or two on the island, or leave early based on Wx forecasts.
2.) For boats less than 22 ft, you could make arrangements to ship the boat to Houghton aboard the Ranger ferry. Note that if conditions are brutal, the Ranger does not make the crossing (see #1). You’d need to get a cab to Copper Harbor to get the tow vehicle and trailer. Note what forum member Cicada did in 2005: he had to be back on a deadline, so he went ahead and made arrangements to ship the boat back on the Ranger – and left his tow vehicle and trailer in Houghton.
3.) If conditions warrant; it would be possible to divert to Grand Portage and rent a slip for an extra day. Members departing from Grand Portage may be willing to provide transportation as far as Duluth, where you could get on a bus to Houghton, and a taxi to your tow vehicle/trailer….then the return to Grand Portage to pick up the truck/trailer. In my estimation this would eat an extra day out of your schedule.

Again folks, this is Lake Superior – but it’s not the roaring 40’s. LHG is right that this is the very end of the season – It has been chosen because of that – September weather in the upper Midwest is some of the most reliably good weather we have – with warm days and cool nights – but systems do begin to work their way through as the seasons change.

While adequate mental and equipment preparation for weather is important, I don’t think that it necessarily means that we’re going to have bad weather. In fact, as a lifelong resident of the Upper Midwest, I’ll say that late August and early September probably give a much better than 50/50 chance of fair weather. As fellow residents of the region, I’ll let you decide as you work through your plans to attend.

prj posted 03-18-2010 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
For the information of people that simply like to follow articles like this (me), what size boats are known to be making the trip?

Buckda posted 03-18-2010 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Heh...not so fast. The new boat will be unveiled in due time....
In order of LOA - here is who I have that's interested:

1)WiseED has expressed interest with his new 305 Conquest (30' LOA)
2)Jim H has expressed interest with his 22 Revenge WT WD (26' LOA)
3)Dave Pendleton has expressed interest with his 23 Conquest IO (25' LOA)
4)Pat Henehan has expressed interest with his 22 Revenge WT (22' LOA)
5)David Thickens has expressed interest with his 22' Outrage (22' LOA)
6)David Hart has expressed interest with either his Outrage V-20 (20' LOA) (or his new boat)
7)Kevin Albus has expressed interest with his 18' Dauntless (18' LOA)
8)Paul Mott has expressed interest with his 18' Outrage (18' LOA)
9)Hal Watkins has expressed interest with his 170 Montauk (17' LOA)
10) I'll be there with my "new" boat.

I can't tell if Jerry expressed interest or just contributed information - but he has a 22' Outrage

David Pendleton posted 03-18-2010 06:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
WiseEd is running a 235 Conquest, if I recall correctly. LOA would be similar to mine and Jim's.

I suspect once Chaplain Hoagy gets wind of this, he'll be there in his 13'--screwy compass and all...

:)

home Aside posted 03-19-2010 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Captain Hoagy has a 16'7" Classic Blue interior Hull....With handmade Oak Console....I definitely want to make the trip but the possibilities of time off and/or the prospect of new employment will dictate my availability....

Pat

K Albus posted 03-19-2010 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Pat, your friend Bruce the Kanvas King currently has my boat and is custom building a canvas enclosure for me so that I can make this trip. Please send a few extra patrol cars down Parkdale to help ensure the safety of my boat. Livonia is not a high crime area, but why take any chances?

On a separate note, Larry's warning about the weather may be a good omen. He gave a similar warning last year before my trip from Grand Haven to Milwaukee and back, we ended up having two of the calmest days of the entire summer on Lake Michigan. Let's hope Larry's magic works on Lake Superior as well.

David Pendleton posted 03-19-2010 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Whatever length it was, it's a miracle he made the crossing from Copper Harbor with no (working) compass or charts.

I certainly hope you can make it, Pat.

Hoosier posted 03-20-2010 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Dave, that's an interesting problem of dead reckoning navigation, how did/does he do it?

Assumptions:
1: He is very experienced with the features of the area.
2. He's not stupid.
3. He makes prudent preparations for the voyage, has supplies and checks the weather before departure.
The highest point on Isle Royale is ~600 feet above mean lake level, so theoretically is visible on the horizon at a distance of 30 miles.
The highest point on the northern Keweenaw Peninsula is ~720 feet which should be visible for 33 miles. So, for purposes of this hypothetical problem, both shores are visible for 25 miles.
The distance from the Copper Harbor light to the Isle Royale light is ~54 miles on a bearing of 309 degrees true.The prevailing winds over Lake Superior are from the northwest, 315 degrees true.
If he departs from Copper harbor headed NW he can stay on course by heading into the wind for the portion of the voyage when he is out of sight of land, about 10 to 15 miles. Isle Royale is a big target so all he has to do is get in sight of the island and then navigate visually.

Yeah, as an experienced sailor he could do it without instruments. Would I? Nope.

David Pendleton posted 03-20-2010 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dave, if I recall correctly, he made the crossing at night.
Hoosier posted 03-20-2010 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
That makes it easier, he can see the stars.
David Pendleton posted 03-20-2010 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Are you going to make this trip?
home Aside posted 03-20-2010 12:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Dave,
he did make the trip across from Houghton at night, he told us he stopped half way across, cut his engine & drifted to contemplate the universe for a while....take it all in...

He did this all with a Car Compass mounted way too close to the magnets in his radio's speaker...

sorry about getting to far off subject....

Another thing Buckda & I did in 2007 was split the menu & groceries between us. We cooked a lot of food ahead of time & froze it and also marinaded some meats & chicken and froze them too and grilled them on the island....we ate like Kings on that trip...

Pat

home Aside posted 03-20-2010 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Kevin,
I'll keep an eye on it, I've been meaning to call you, Bruce called me & told me he had measured your boat etc and you would be bringing the Dauntless over

Pat

David Pendleton posted 03-20-2010 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
When we have a confirmed list of atendees, I think we should provision as a group. I think this would lighten everybody's load a bit and make the menus more interesting.
David Pendleton posted 03-20-2010 06:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Another thing to keep in mind is that if everyone on Dave's list decides to make the trip, we're going to have too many boats for all but the largest docks, like Moskey Basin or Daisy Farm.

As far as I know the Park Service doesn't regulate boating groups like they do campers but we may have to split up.

Buckda posted 03-21-2010 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
...or raft up. Daisy Farm is deceptive - the outside of the dock gives priority to the Voyager Ferry - meaning that you can overnight there, but must be on your toes to move out of the way ASAP.

My experience in planning similar trips has been that we get a 50-70 percent attendance from who showed initial interest.

While I hope that everyone who intends to attend can make it - I do realize that it is very likely that not everyone will make it.

I think the note here is: if everyone comes, be sure to bring FENDERS - we'll be rafting at some or all of the docks.

Also - if we intend to stay together, we must be certain to be very sensitive to the concerns of the rangers, i.e. practice minimal impact (no-wake in narrow areas) etc. to ensure that the wilderness feel of the park is not adversely impacted by a large group of boats.

Buckda posted 03-21-2010 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Another options is to get a wilderness permit that allows some of us to anchor off. Chippewa Harbor is an excellent spot for this, as would be Moskey Basin, McCargoe Cove and others.

Dave

David Pendleton posted 03-21-2010 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That should be okay, there should be at least one dinghy on this trip.

You don't need a backcountry permit to anchor out; it's covered by your park permit.

Buckda posted 03-21-2010 01:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Dave -

I plan to bring my 8' Zodiac auxiliary with 6 HP engine...

jimh posted 03-21-2010 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The days to avoid on Lake Superior are November 9, 10, and 11. As a matter of fact, those are good days to avoid on all the Great Lakes. Eighty-percent of all the ship tonnage that sank in the history of the Great Lakes storms sank on those three days.
David Pendleton posted 03-22-2010 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Okay then, November's out. Larry will be pleased.

Are you still in for this trip, Jim?

jimh posted 03-23-2010 10:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
We are in for this trip.

I wish someone had told me last summer what weeks were good and what weeks were bad. We planned a trip for the last week in July and first week in August. Here is the weather map from our first day out from the marina on July 26, 2009.

Three low pressure systems spent a week in the area, giving us overcast skies, winds to 30-MPH, and high temperatures a few days that barely made 60-degrees.

David Pendleton posted 03-26-2010 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Hoosier asked me in an email this morning about potable water on this trip. If space and/or weight is an issue for you, you're going to need to make your own water on the island.

Published IRNP information suggests that all water be boiled before drinking. This includes water from the big lake and certainly from the inland lakes.

Tapeworm is a problem on the island (you don't want to know where it comes from).

If I remember correctly, there was potable water available at the Snug Harbor marina, this is likely true for Windigo also; everywhere else on the island you are on your own.

On past trips, I have brought all the water I need in the form of bottled water and a 20 gallon freshwater tank.

While boiling will render the water safe to drink, that doesn't mean it's going to look or taste very good. You may want to invest in a good backcountry filter like a Katadyn or MSR.

Also keep in mind not all filters will remove Tapeworm eggs. Do your homework.

Buckda posted 03-26-2010 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
If I'm going to ingest a worm, it's going to be at the bottom of a tequila bottle.


...

Buckda posted 03-26-2010 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
This could probably be left unsaid, but hey:

Here's a tip. You need ice on this trip, combine the need for ice and drinking water by FREEZING potable water in containers for your cooler. You can then drink your ice as it becomes liquid again, and keep your stuff cool. No mess in the cooler afterward either.

Get creative - the 1 liter and .5 liter bottles work well, as do old .20 oz soda bottles, orange/grape/apple juice containers, 1/2 gallon milk jugs and my favorite - V-8 bottles. These different shaped containers will also help you to pack the cooler very efficiently.

Ice is available on the island at Rock Harbor and Windigo, but this system described above works well. I even freeze my milk, then put it in the fridge two days before the trip - it will defrost slowly and what little remains will still be ice-cold at the end of the trip.

If you feel concerned about having plenty of ice, you can use a separate small cooler with dry ice and several water containers. Hint: SEAL the cooler with duct tape and bungee it shut to reduce the sublimation of the frozen CO2, and to keep the mosquitos away (they like CO2!). Halfway through the week, you can open that cooler, pull out the frozen bottles of water and rotate your ice stock. Any additional "liquified" bottles that you may have can be put back into the CO2 cooler and refrozen quickly...and can serve as your ice for the road trip home in the truck.

AZdave posted 03-26-2010 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for AZdave  Send Email to AZdave     
The option of using surface water can be very useful. If you plan to use a filter, practice a bit first. We found that it took a lot of time and effort to filter water for five adults on a summer trip to Lake Powell. This was partly because we forgot the scrubber needed for cleaning the filter. The upside is that the water will taste a lot better than city water that you hauled around for a week. This trip continues to tease at me, but it's a loooong way to trailer a boat.
AZdave posted 03-26-2010 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for AZdave  Send Email to AZdave     
The option of using surface water can be very useful. If you plan to use a filter, practice a bit first. We found that it took a lot of time and effort to filter water for five adults on a summer trip to Lake Powell. This was partly because we forgot the scrubber needed for cleaning the filter. The upside is that the water will taste a lot better than city water that you hauled around for a week. This trip continues to tease at me, but it's a loooong way to trailer a boat.
David Pendleton posted 03-26-2010 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dave (the Michigan variety) makes some good points. If you can handle the space and weight you can bring most, if not all of your water with you.

You can also freeze food in zip-lock bags to act as "ice" in your cooler(s), as well.

I found that when we were where ice was available, it was smart to buy a lot more than you thought you needed. It isn't really convenient to run to either end of the island because you're running low on ice.

Buckda posted 03-26-2010 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
...and I should note that the Arizona variety of Dave would be welcome on this trip. I'm sure there's some kind of award that could be arranged for long-distance trailering.

Cheers,

David Pendleton posted 03-26-2010 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
You certainly are, AZDave.

I just ran Mesa to Grand Portage through my MapSource: 2063 miles.

That is a haul, but it would be worth it.

Plotman posted 03-28-2010 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I wouldn't drink water out of an anchorage (other boats, moose and beaver), but run a mile or so off shore, and you are good to go.

Actually sent a sample in several years ago when we had our well water tested, the lake water was WAY better than what cam out of our well - and that was below any limits for drinking water.

A great solution if you want to treat lake superior water is the steripen - about $80 at amazon.

Plotman posted 03-31-2010 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Had to push through some slush to get from the ramp to the open water, but Monday was my first ever March outing on Lake Superior. Had to keep it slow to dodge occasional floaty bits of ice, but the coho are biting!

Over 70 today, but 90 miles from the boat :(

David Pendleton posted 03-31-2010 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Excellent. Are you going to make this trip?
Plotman posted 04-01-2010 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Yes, for at least part of it - the latter part of the week. Will be in Oregon for summer training with the kids through the 30th.

My plan will be to run over from the Apostles - much less fuss than trailering the boat around through Duluth and up the north shore. I'll just have to play the weather game. It's a 40 gallon crossing for me, but it will save ferry fees and 4+ hours of driving to get the boat from its home to Grand Portage.

David Pendleton posted 04-01-2010 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
If you were doing the whole week, I'd make that crossing with you...
Plotman posted 04-01-2010 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Would be fun.

I'm guessing I'll cross very early in the AM - figure 130 miles and about 5 hours from Madeline all the way up to Rock Harbor, 70 or so of that open water past Outer Island to Windigo. Figuring on making it over on the morning of the 1st, weather permitting.

Hoosier posted 04-02-2010 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
How do you experienced Isle Royale voyagers handle fuel management? I know fuel is expensive on the island and only getting what you need is fiscally prudent, BUT, it's Isle Royale and one wouldn't want to worry about having enough fuel to get home. I'm planning on getting a tank full, ~60 gal, on the isle. I get 4 mpg at optimum cruise, 4500 rpm ~25 mph, so I have a theoretical range of 240+ miles/tank. I verified this number last year going to Milwaukee, ~80 miles, ~20 gals, at WOT (mostly).
David Pendleton posted 04-02-2010 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I will pay closer attention to fuel this trip because I want a better idea of my true mileage. I have a 125 gallon tank, and didn't even come close to draining it on the previous two trips.

I don't think I took on any fuel at all on our second trip.

This isn't much use to you, I know. Our boats are too different.

What I can tell you is that once we were "on" this island, we didn't spend too much time running around at planing speeds. We covered a lot of ground, but didn't do so in a hurry.

I guess according to your numbers, you'll have more than enough fuel for the crossings (assuming decent conditions). You may want to play it by ear, so to speak, and hold off until late in the week.

Of course, fuel on the island is going to be much more expensive.

Hoosier posted 04-03-2010 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Thanks Dave. I hope it won't be as bad as in the North Channel on '08. In one of the threads about a previous trip Buckda mentioned using a large on deck auxiliary tank, so I got concerned about our potential burn rate.
K Albus posted 04-06-2010 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
All right, now that I've got my canvas, I'm getting excited about this trip. I've started putting together my packing list, and I'd like to hear a little more about the itinerary.

In the initial posts, Dave indicated that the trip would be focused on the southwestern portion of the island. Are there any particular points of interest that are must see attractions for this particular trip?

Also, since most of the boats will be leaving from Copper Harbor, is it safe to assume that our initial landing point on the island will be Rock Harbor/Snug Harbor? Or is the plan to initially land in Windigo?

Dave, do you have a tentative plan for how you would like to spend the week, or is the whole trip going to be a play-it-by-ear event? I realize that parts of the group will be splitting off for side trips, but I'd like to get a general idea of where the group intends to be on any given day.

Buckda posted 04-06-2010 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Much is going to depend on the weather and the wind. The 2007 trip was supposed to focus on the SE portion of the Island as well, however, we ended up in the NW side for most of the trip.

My intention is to land/register at the Rock Harbor Visitor's Center. From there, I intend to go down and visit the fishing camp and the Rock Harbor Light, then overnight the first night at Chippewa Harbor.

From there, it's a play-it-by-ear event; however, I'd like to make my way South and even attempt to circumnavigate the island through the week - with a stay at McCargoe Cove and perhaps a final night at anchor on Passage Island.

tombro posted 04-06-2010 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
Wow, sounds like a great trip! Would love to do something like this with our 210 Ventura, having the sea-skills, canvas and necessary equipment.
Alas, we have neither a trailer nor the vehicle to tow her.
So, I will live vicariously through you intrepid wanderers, and look forward to the usual great Trip Report!
Buckda posted 04-06-2010 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Please let me know if you are using a Garmin GPS, as I can send you a file that has all the Isle Royale waypoints programmed in, including the official "turning points" from the ferry, etc. This makes it a snap to navigate around the island in the main channels - avoiding any obstacles, etc.

David Pendleton posted 04-06-2010 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'll take one, Dave.

David Pendleton posted 04-06-2010 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Here are a few suggestions for itineraries. Get out your maps and follow along.

Belle Isle or Birch Island or MacCargoe Cove
Todd Harbor
Grace Island or Beaver Island or Windigo
Siskiwit or Hay Bay or Malone Bay
Chippewa Harbor or Moskey Basin
Caribou Island or Three Mile or Tookers Island

or

Moskey Basin or Chippewa Harbor
Malone Bay or Hay Bay or Siskiwit
Grace Island or Beaver Island or Windigo
Todd Harbor
MacCargoe Cove or Birch Island or Belle Isle
Tookers Island or Three Mile or Caribou

Since most of the attendees will likely depart from Copper Harbor, both of my suggested itineraries finish on the eastern end of the island.

Just something to think about...

David Pendleton posted 04-06-2010 11:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That McCargoe Cove, by the way. I don't know what I was thinking.
David Pendleton posted 04-12-2010 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'm toying with the idea of leaving from Copper Harbor with the rest of the (presumed) attendees. I've already done Grand Portage twice and could use a change of scenery.

I'd love to make the crossing at night, but that's another topic.

I wish some more folks would weigh-in on this thread. It's still early spring here; the boat will remain wrapped for at least another month and I still have cabin fever...

K Albus posted 04-12-2010 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Dave P., at the very least, I would like to take an evening (after dark) cruise out of Copper Harbor. I'm really excited about this trip, and I'll have more updates concerning the preparation of my boat coming later this week.

This trip is just over four months away, and it's time to start planning. I'm working on my packing list, but I've got a major contingency impeding my progress. I have a friend who wants to join me, but he has not yet committed. Having an extra person on the boat will make a world of difference with regard to my packing.

Buckda posted 04-13-2010 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Night crossing *Grin*...

Too bad the 18' Outrage torn down. We'll have to see how well the setup works on the new boat. I generally don't like the OEM setup for true visibility at night (dark cockpit)...but may be willing to give it a shot if the conditions are appropriate.

One thing I'd like to do is run the boats to Eagle Harbor for dinner (would be a very casual dinner). I'll look into the logistics (i.e. eating establishments). Copper Harbor is much better suited for dining, if I recall correctly.

Dave

David Pendleton posted 04-13-2010 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Actually, leaving a couple of hours before sunrise would be ideal. We could time it so we are just arriving on the island at sunrise.
Plotman posted 04-13-2010 06:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I've done this in the past. It is often calmest right around dawn.

I wouldn't want to arrive at Isle Royal at night unless I had a GPS track that I had made myself to follow back in. There are just too many places where the water goes from very deep to rocks awash in a couple of boat lengths

Dawn at the time of this trip will be right about 7am, with twilight about a half hour before that. A 5am departure would be about perfect for you guys.

I'll probably do something very similar when I cross, but starting from the central time zone will make it feel earlier.

David Pendleton posted 04-13-2010 08:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Agreed, I wouldn't attempt to enter Rock Harbor (or any other IRNP harbor) in darkeness, even with RADAR.

A pre-dawn crossing would be perfect. I have no aversion to running the open lake in the dark.

K Albus posted 04-14-2010 04:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Back in May of 2007, the Isle Royale ranger staff issued a Notice to Boaters about the low water levels around some of the park's docks. Diagrams of the water levels around the docks, as well as photographs of some of the docks, are linked on this page: http://www.nps.gov/isro/planyourvisit/boatersnotice.htm . In many of the photos, it appears that the docks are several feet above water level.

At the present time, the water level in Lake Superior is only about six inches higher than it was in 2007. My boat sits fairly low in the water. I have plenty of fenders, but it looks like my boat could possibly drift under some of the docks. It also looks like I might need a step ladder to get up to some of them. Could some of you guys who have visited the island since 2007 comment on the dock heights?

Buckda posted 04-14-2010 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hi Kevin -

Here's an image from 2007:
http://home.comcast.net/~davepen/images/irnp/DSC00807.JPG

My 18 is in the foreground. The gunwales at the back of my 18 are significantly lower than on yours. The rubrail at the bow was touching the "baseboard" on the dock...in the stern, I rigged a larger fender to keep the boat from sliding under.

This is the Moskey Basin dock.

In short, I don't think you'll have a real problem - almost all of the docks are in very protected water, and they're pretty nice - with lots of cleats available to rig your lines and fenders.

Worst case, you're welcome to raft off my boat if you have concerns.

Dave

David Pendleton posted 04-14-2010 05:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I think the biggest issue you will have is getting up onto the dock from your gunwale.

I have some other pictures of our boats at other docks. I'll post some links later tonight when I get home.

Incidentally, the link Dave posted is part of a larger "album."

http://home.comcast.net/~davepen

David Pendleton posted 04-14-2010 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Here are some dock shots from the 2007 trip.

Belle Isle 1
McCargoe Cove

Duncan Bay Lakeside Camp
Note I anchored out to so I didn't have to listen to Dave saw logs all night.

Rock Harbor.

Another Whaler we encountered on the island. I never did find out who he was.
http://home.comcast.net/~davepen/images/docks/dsc00704.jpg

Moskey Basin.
http://home.comcast.net/~davepen/images/docks/dsc00785.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~davepen/images/docks/dsc00812.jpg

David Pendleton posted 04-14-2010 11:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Thanks to Jim for fixing the links.

The Belle Isle 2 link is actually McCargoe Cove.

Plotman posted 04-15-2010 08:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Kevin-

Remember, that Lake Superior has a fairly significant seasonal fluctuation, but with the exception of 2007, the annual range is very consistent. Lake Superior is very different in this regard than Michigan/Huron.

Water levels are typically lowest at this time of year, and peak over the summer. So, yes, we are only about six inches above where we were in summer 2007, but that is pretty normal for this time of year. http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/data_menu.shtml?bdate=20000101& edate=20100401&wl_sensor_hist=W5&relative=&datum=0&unit=1&shift=d& stn=9099090+Grand+Marais%2C+MN&type=Historic+Great+Lakes+Water+Level+ Data&format=View+Plot will show a plot monthly for the past 10 years.

We are a little bit low this year - it has been a very dry spring - but probably within 6 inches of the norm. This jives with what I have seen on my beach and in the marina.

Bottom line is that all signs point to summer water levels within about 6 inches of normal, and likely a foot or more above summer 2007.

Here is a picture of my boat (and son - man, he was a little guy then) at the Belle Isle dock in July 2005 for comparison to Dave P's picture above. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ ApwKCC8ZIg1cFU_QoBKAvw?feat=directlink

Cheers

David

David Pendleton posted 04-15-2010 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
It's interesting to note, while travelling around the island, how high the water has been in the past.

Many docks have cleats along their length that are high and dry (Moskey Basin is a good example).

The high water line on rocks around the island indicate that the water was significantly higher (my guess would be about 3') than they are today, also.

I have some good pictures of this somewhere...

K Albus posted 04-15-2010 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Here's a link to a graph showing the current as to compared to the historical high, low and average water depths: http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/now/wlevels/plots/sup_lvl.gif

I cannot find a similar graph for 2007, but I was able to locate this article which has a picture of the 2007 graph: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070823161807.htm .

As you can see, the current water level is only about six inches below the long-term monthly mean, but it is also only about six inches above the 2007 level.

It seems strange that some of the dock would be built so high. Some of them appear to be three or four feet above the 2007 and 2008 water levels, which would put them at least a couple of feet above historic high water levels.

Buckda posted 04-15-2010 04:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Just a note that most Boston Whaler boats are probably on the small side of the private vessels expected to make the trip to Isle Royale and staying at these docks. The older docks are almost all built rather high - to best accomodate 30 ft sailboats and cruisers. The newer docks (i.e. at Rock Harbor, Caribou Island, Daisy Farm, etc.) appear to be much lower and probably address the realities of a mixed bag of larger and smaller vessels that the park actually has experienced.

If the dock has a concrete surface and orange lichen on it, it is likely going to be "taller".

That's just an observation from my previous trips.

No matter - a small folding step-stool might be a good accessory item if you have some mobility concerns.

K Albus posted 04-15-2010 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
It's going to be difficult heaving the keg up on to the dock at each stop. I guess it will get easier as the week goes on and the keg gets lighter.
Plotman posted 04-15-2010 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
When I started spending a lot of time at NPS crib docks and and tying up to rocks, I got three of these fenders for my boat. They make life much easier, and make tying up to marginal structures much less stressful. I highly recommend them.

Bass pro seems to be the cheapest place to buy them.

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ Product_10151_-1_10001_8311____SearchResults

David Pendleton posted 04-15-2010 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I've upgraded to those this year. They're also much better for rafting up.

I paid more than that, though. :(

Buckda posted 04-16-2010 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Right now, West Marine is having a sale on a three pack of large "barrel" fenders. They do this sale every spring. $99 for three of them. I did that several years ago, and typically only have two aboard my boat for these trips (check out Dave's image from Moskey basin - you can see the one at the stern of GAMBLER).

I do like the round fenders too, they have the advantage of being able to deflate and store more compactly if you bring along a small compressor/hand pump.

Buckda posted 04-16-2010 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/ 10001/239829/377%20710%20832/712/fenders/Primary%20Search/ mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710%20832&Ne=712&Ntt=fenders& Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0& keyword=fenders&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=5&subdeptNum=11207& classNum=594
Plotman posted 04-16-2010 02:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I just hang these fenders from the rail behind my stern seat. They are out of the way, and easily accessible. My swim ladder and fender board go back there as well.
David Pendleton posted 04-24-2010 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The 2010 Greenstone (IRNP Newspaper) is now available on the NPS website.

http://www.nps.gov/isro/planyourvisit/upload/Greenstone_2010.pdf

Plotman posted 04-29-2010 04:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
From the Greenstone:

Alcohol Ban –
Open containers of alcohol are prohibited
in campgrounds, on docks, and onboard
docked vessels at both Siskiwit Bay and
McCargoe Cove.

David Pendleton posted 04-29-2010 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That was the case all the way back to our 2005 trip.

As I understand it, the rule harkens back to a day when boater-hiker relations were at an all-time low and loud, drunken parties were a problem at the docks.

I don't know if Dave and Pat had open containers when we overnighted at MacCargoe, but I know I did.

home Aside posted 04-29-2010 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
It's like the nagging question everyone asks about my service weapon "Is it Loaded?" What good is a closed alcohol container????

I think our open alcohol containers ended up empty in quick fashion anyway.

Not that i'm into or condone drunken boating, but I do like cocktails on the dock or boat at days end...

Pat

Hoosier posted 04-30-2010 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Looks like that to be legal just don't dock, anchor out.

"on docks, and onboard
docked vessels at both Siskiwit Bay and
McCargoe Cove."

Hmmm, if you are rafted to a boat that is tied to the dock, are you "docked" or "rafted"? You don't have any physical connection to the dock.

David Pendleton posted 04-30-2010 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'd say that yes, if you are rafted, you are docked.

I really wouldn't worry about it.

Even in the event of a Ranger discovering any open containers aboard, it's not an arrestable offense, you just have vacate the dock for somewhere else.

It's only going to be a problem if you cause problems. I don't see that happening.

home Aside posted 05-01-2010 03:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
We certainly didn't try to hide anything, as I recall we were drinking from cups, but the Captain Morgan Bottle was sitting on the table, on the dock, with us.

I don't remember being aware on our last trip to IR that open alcohol was prohibited.

No use causing trouble for yourself, make the drink down below, drink your beer from a cup etc. keep all containers, cans, bottles, etc, out of site. Keep your clothes on and no drunken songfests on the dock in the middle of the night.... I think the rule of thumb on this is "Trouble begets Trouble" Mind your P's & Q's and you should be OK....

Just because you may get caught with something that is prohibited doesn't mean the Ranger/Officer has to take enforcement action.

Pat

Buckda posted 05-05-2010 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I don’t know the official order of responsibilities for National Park Rangers, but at Isle Royale, they seem to be really cool people.

I would say that they’re focused on the following:
1) Protecting/managing people in the park to ensure they are safe and having a good time
2) Protecting/managing the park’s natural resources
3) Enforcing the rules

I think they only apply (3) when it is necessitated by either (1) or (2).

Basically, if you’re discreet and responsible with alcohol, I really don’t think that the Park Rangers care.

They are like police officers – one in 100 is on a bit of a power trip, but the vast majority are normal people doing their jobs.

I don’t think that there are 100 Park Rangers at Isle Royale. They probably left the one knucklehead back at the dock in Houghton. :-)

K Albus posted 05-09-2010 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Could some of you guys who've been to Isle Royale before with set-ups similar to mine, i.e., open boat with only canvas shelter, post some details about the sleeping bags you used, the weather you experienced, and whether you wished you had a warmer sleeping bag?

I've got a relatively cheap sleeping bag, which I've used for camping while hunting in relatively cold weather. In general, I tend to use lighter weight blankets or sleeping bags. However, I have never spent a substantial amount of time sleeping on a boat in the cold. I don't want to be cold for the whole week, but I also don't want to buy a new sleeping bag that's going to be too warm.

I suspect the answer is going to be: bring a couple of different sleeping bags/blankets and layer them as necessary. I can do this, but space is going to be at a premium, especially if my friend Jon joins me.

David Pendleton posted 05-09-2010 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The Isle Royale Boaters Association spring newsletter is out. There is some interesting information about new rules, invasive species and fuel on the island.

http://isleroyale.org/newsletters/IRBA%20Spring%202010%20Newsletter.pdf

David Pendleton posted 05-09-2010 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The Compendium of Superintendents Regulations have also been recently released.

http://isleroyale.org/newsletters/ISRO%20Compendium-final%202010.pdf

home Aside posted 05-09-2010 11:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
On My Montauk 17 at the North Channel Rendezvous I had only the forward shelter, Flytop & windshield, I draped a rain fly over the fltytop and secured it to the rear & sides with bungies. I bought a very inexpensive fleece sleeping bag (liner)I unzipped it layed it out and then used a summer weight nylon sleeping bag over me. If it got too warm, I reversed & put the light weight sleeping bag on the cushions and the fleece bag opened up over me. We had some major rain storms on this trip, never got wet or cold.

On Isle Royal (in early mid August) with my Revenge 22 WT I used the same thing, at that time I didn't have the canvas camper back, only the flytop, windshield, and side curtains, as I said I used the same system mentioned above & usually slept with the companionway door to the cuddy open. worked out very well. While we were on Isle Royal there was no big problem with insects during the day, at dusk while sitting on the dock we would have an initial influx of insects, we'd have Bats flying in between us while sitting at the picnic table, after about 1/2 hour the temperature would drop (Not sure to what degree level but a hooded sweatshirt/light jacket would suffice)) and the bugs would be gone and we'd sit, talk, have a couple of drinks, view the days photos on laptop, and retire for the evening.

I would recommend getting some dry bags to stow your sleeping bag, blanket, pillow and other clothing items in during the day while cruising, you never no when you might get some green water over the bow and a little might get in under the canvas. I saw some dry bags at Costco recently.

Pat

Buckda posted 05-10-2010 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hi Kevin -

I use a Mountain Hardware 3 season mummy bag - which is too hot, so my "boat sleeping kit" is a dry bag with my pillow, a queen size flat sheet and an older medium duty blanket. I usually put my feet in the sleeping bag and start off with just the sheet over the rest of me. As nighttime progresses and temperatures drop, I add layers accordingly. The mummy bag is great when the temps drop below 45 or so.

I think the key is to stop movement of air (wind) - so if your boat is fully enclosed for the night, you'll find that generally, it warms right up except in very cool conditions. For those situations, we're usually at a marina dock, and I add a small Pelonis disc furnace running off shore power to keep the boat toasty warm.

On most summer outings, closing the back curtain will find you very warm in the morning when the sun comes out. If the insect load allows, I like to keep the back curtain open.

In short, I'd keep your "cheap" bag, and add an old sheet and a lightweight blanket to your sleeping kit.

Hal Watkins posted 05-10-2010 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
We boated out in our 170 Montauk 29 August 2009 for 5 days. A 3 days storm had just ended, so we enjoyed a large high pressure are on Lake Superior that lasted about 8 days. Boating IR requires "layering" of clothing and bedding. We slept each night in a shoreline shelter. They are quite substantial, bug and mouse tight. The screen side faces toward the water. We will plan on staying in them again this summer.
Nights were clear and cooool. We didn't experience any frost. The weather can be so variable. Remember you are closer to the N pole than the Equator. We slept on an air mattress in cheapo sleeping bags, with a down comforter over us. I was fine, the bride needed another blanket on top. Short answer...take exta just in case.
Hal, Waseca, MN
Buckda posted 05-10-2010 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Thanks for those links, Dave -

Looks like fuel on the island is going to be $5.38 a gallon. It also appears that business was slow last season, so they're still using fuel that was purchased the season before that....meaning that you may want to bring along an appropriate stock of some kind of octane booster....that doesn't sound great.

K Albus posted 05-10-2010 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I've got kind of a split personality on this stuff. I love buying new gear, but I hate spending the money. I'd rather try to make do on the first trip, and then buy some new gear before the second trip. That way I'll have a better of idea of what I really need.

For this trip I guess I'll use my current sleeping bag, and I'll bring a pillow and one or two fleece blankets. I'll also have long johns and plenty of other layers I can put on if I get cold, plus a heater just in case.

David Pendleton posted 05-10-2010 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
You could probably skip the heater, unless it's 12V. There is no shore power anywhere on IR except the Rock Harbor marina.
Buckda posted 05-10-2010 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Kevin -

The heater probably won't be needed.

I took a portable heater with me on my Lake Nipigon trip in 2008. Temperatures were in the upper 30's/low 40's at night and we still didn't need the heater under all that canvas. I thought for sure we would, but when we had occasion to return to the dock for some supplies and fuel, I left the heater back in the truck...and on that trip, I regularly wore a knit hat and gloves during the day, even behind the shelter and side curtains.

home Aside posted 05-10-2010 02:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I did take long pants/jeans with me for the Isle Royal Trip early August 2007, don't think I ever took them out of the duffle bag, as I recall I wore my cargo shorts the entire trip. wore hooded sweatshirt in the evening. But as stated it's important to be prepared.

As you stated regarding buying new gear, you can certainly go broke buying stuff for these trips, if nothing else I would at least have a dry bag to stuff your sleeping kit in to insure you have dry bedding.

Pat

Buckda posted 05-10-2010 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I agree with Pat -

It's a good idea to repurpose existing gear for a first time trip (unless you're absolutely lacking gear) and then determine what your needs are moving forward for future trips. Then you can make an informed and efficient decision moving forward on what you need/want for your use.

On an 18' boat, "cruising" requires significant thought and consideration into what you NEED, what space you have available and what you can live without....

...but it's a fun process.

:)

Now that I have more elbow room, I'll have to reign myself in on my tendencies to over pack.

I'm going to have to secure a copilot ....

Buckda posted 05-10-2010 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Also - it appears that they're going to be pretty strict on inspection of your boat's bilge this year - so check your sump and clean it out before the trip!

Dave

Buckda posted 05-14-2010 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I have spoken to several members personally or via e-mail and I’ve updated the list to indicate those who are making solid plans to attend and those that have just expressed an interest. I’m listing them all here with the revised indicators by length of boat.

1) Jim Herbert plans to attend with his 22 Revenge WT WD (26' LOA) (Evinrude, single)
2) WiseED has expressed interest with his 23’ Conquest (25’ LOA) (Mercury, twins)
3) Dave Pendleton plans to attend with his 23 Conquest IO (25' LOA) (Mercruiser, single)
4) I plan to attend with my Outrage 25’ Cuddy (25’ LOA) (Johnson, twins)
5) Pat Henehan has expressed interest with his 22 Revenge WT (22' LOA) (Yamaha, single)
6) David Thickens plans to attend with his 22' Outrage (22' LOA) (Yamaha, twins)
7) David Hart has expressed interest with either his Outrage V-20 (20' LOA) (Suzuki, single)
8) Kevin Albus plans to attend with his 18' Dauntless (18' LOA) (Mercury, single)
9) Paul Mott has expressed interest with his 18' Outrage (18' LOA) (Johnson, single/kicker)
10) Hal Watkins has expressed interest with his 170 Montauk (17' LOA) (Mercury, single)

Looks like we’re getting a good diverse mix of boats and motors.

If I missed anyone else who is interested, please let me know.

Also, let’s be pretty vigilant to watch for news about the fuel situation on the island. I have a feeling that the park service will address this concern, because the last thing they want is the headache of a bunch of incapacitated boats due to fuel-related problems. The good news is that our trip dates are for late season – so any problems up there are likely to show up in June and July. It’s possible they’ll even deliver fresh fuel mid-summer to freshen the tanks. We’ll see, but right now, that is my biggest concern that may endanger the viability of this trip.

Also –

If you’re from out of town, have a smaller boat, etc; and can’t take your boat out there but still want to go, please let us know. There will be space aboard several boats – and while I won’t volunteer space aboard those vessels, I can take one or two folks comfortably for the ride – you can stay ashore at the shelters. Just something to think about.

First sunny weekend in four weeks up here in Michigan – antsy to get to work on the boat!

David Pendleton posted 05-14-2010 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Thanks for the update, Dave.

I have pretty-much convinced myself to depart from Copper Harbor this time around. I'd also like to try a pre-dawn crossing (depending on conditions of course).

Are you still going with the travel dates in post #1?

What was everyone else thinking?

Buckda posted 05-14-2010 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I've requested the travel dates in post #1 from my workplace, so that is my full intention at this point. I've not heard much dissent, however, I am open to discussion.


I'd be happy to do a pre-dawn crossing with you if you're interested. ...actually:
Re: arrival

Given we have 10 boats interested, if we all do show up, we should plan to stage our arrival on the Isle. While it would look very cool to have an invasion of Whalers, I'm sure the Rangers would express some concern about us showing up en masse.

It may be a good idea to stage two waves.

Just a thought...

David Pendleton posted 05-14-2010 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I agree. Some folks may not want to cross in the dark, also.

I actually think we're going to have to split up to some degree while on the island, if for no other reason than available dock space.

Hoosier posted 05-14-2010 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Since I'm always the tail end Charlie at these things, I vote for two groups, Fast and Not So Fast.
K Albus posted 05-14-2010 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
If really have 10 boats show up, I don't think we really need to leave Copper Harbor in one or two organized groups. I think we can probably break up into as many small groups as we want to, as long as nobody unwillingly gets left out on their own. That will allow the early risers to leave when they want, without having to wait on the late risers. It will also those in a leisurely-vacation mode to take their time without being harassed by the early birds. As long as each boat is teamed up with at least one other boat, I don't think we need set groups or a set schedule.
David Pendleton posted 05-14-2010 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Again, I agree.

We'll have to see who is actually in the parking lot at Copper Harbor or Grand Portage Marina on Saturday night.

We do need some kind of itinerary when on the island, however. The Rangers will ask when you register where you plan on going. You aren't bound to this, but they like it when you give them some idea.

I don't think the Rangers would have a problem with 10 boats showing up at once; they will have a problem with 10 boats showing up at once and listing the same dock as their destination.

We'll just have to see what happens when folks commit to the trip.

home Aside posted 05-15-2010 06:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Of course 10 boats at one dock won't work, but most everywhere we stayed in 2007 there was the ability to anchor out also, I have no problem with anchoring out....we'll have to consider those with smaller whalers who may need to use the shelters so they can have first crack at dock space.....I have no doubt this will work out for everyone and will be a wonderful trip

Pat

Hal Watkins posted 05-15-2010 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
My bride and I have the dates blocked out. We modified our packing list after last years trip. We will stay in park shelters and will try to stay a couple nites each at Passage island, Duncan narrows and Birch island.

As we only have a handheld 5 watt radio, how much range do you think we will have be boat to boat?

Hal, Waseca, MN

David Pendleton posted 05-15-2010 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
There are no shelters on Passage Island. I don't believe you're allowed to camp anywhere on the island. You're free to anchor in the little harbor there, though.
MarthaB posted 05-23-2010 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
I ran across this on Facebook and other websites...This book may interest those of you who are fortunate to take part in this year's Isle Royale BW trip.

"Naked in the Stream: Isle Royale Stories" author Vic Foerster. He is on a book tour...will be at Bill & Paul's in GR June 14th (not sure if the date is correct)

David Pendleton posted 05-25-2010 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Just learned from another source that the dock at Moskey Basin was seriously damaged by ice this past winter.

It would not surprise me if the park service closes it.

I'm trying to find more information.

Plotman posted 05-25-2010 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
That is a really weird place to have significant ice damage to a dock - it is really protected way down in there.
David Pendleton posted 05-25-2010 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Unless the wind is out of the NE, piling it all up down there.

I'm trying to find out what happened.

Hal Watkins posted 05-26-2010 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Update...e-mail from IRNP office.

Hal:

The Moskey Basin dock was damaged during the winter. The first 20 feet of the dock are roped off and cannot be used. We would suggest that boaters not use the dock until it is repaired. One other dock that is out of
commission is the Three Mile Campground dock.

Isle Royale National Park
800 E. Lakeshore Drive
Houghton, MI 49931
(906) 482-0984
www.nps.gov/isro

Buckda posted 05-26-2010 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Darn...Moskey Basin was one of my favorites.

David Pendleton posted 05-26-2010 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Mine too. I also wanted to try Three Mile this year, also.
David Pendleton posted 05-26-2010 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
And thanks for the update, Hal.

They haven't answered my emails yet...

Buckda posted 06-08-2010 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
That ice must have really been moving in Rock Harbor and Moskey Basin this winter. The Moskey Basin dock is substantial, although protruding into the bay in just the "wrong" location - to take the brunt and full force of 5 miles worth of ice cramming down that narrow bay.

I'm interested to get over on the other side of the island - Todd Harbor, etc.

This year, I'd also like to slow down the pace - like last year, and be content to return to the same dock, or stay and hike for a bit, fish, whatever. I think the theme for me will be: "Just Be."

Looking forward to relax and enjoy this beautiful place.

Buckda posted 06-08-2010 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Edit:
Scratch "last year" and insert "last time". I did not visit the Isle last year.
David Pendleton posted 06-08-2010 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
So, what are you thinking for and itinerary?
Buckda posted 06-08-2010 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Here’s a sample potential itinerary – which can be modified for weather and other needs. Trying to find spots where there are several docks nearby, so that if we stay at any place for more than a day, others can stay nearby or change up dock space to be with new folks and get to know the group.

Saturday night – Copper Harbor (Or wherever you’re launching from)
Sunday – transit to Rock Harbor, visit Edisen Fishery and Rock Harbor Lighthouse
Sunday afternoon/overnight – Chippewa Harbor
Monday – fish/explore/hike
Monday night – return to Chippewa Harbor
Tuesday – transit to Siskiwit Bay/Hay Bay, visit Menagerie Island Lighthouse, fish, hike
Tuesday night – Siskiwit Bay/Hay Bay
Wednesday – transit to Windigo; showers, resupply ice, provisions
Wednesday afternoon/night – explore/hike, visit Isle Royale Lighthouse, Beaver Island or Grace Island for overnight
Thursday – transit to McCargo Cove and Birch Island. Fish, swim, explore.
Friday – transit to Passage Island, hike and explore Passage Island lighthouse
Friday night – overnight at anchor at Passage Island, or Tobin Harbor seaplane docks
Saturday – transit, visit Rock Harbor lodge for provisions, shower, resupply/fuel
Saturday night – dock at Daisy Farm or Caribou Island.
Sunday – early departure for mainland.

This is just a throw-it-out-there itinerary. There are a couple of “ambitious” days in there, if the wind blows or weather moves in. Positioning at McCargoe starting on Thursday puts us in striking distance to refuel and return to the mainland on Friday if needed (passing through Rock Harbor). Dave, depending on your departure point, I think your vessel probably has “legs” to make it back to MN from there, if needed (otherwise, we’ll all be routing through the fuel dock at Rock Harbor on the way home).

Fuel management will be important, and we still need an answer from the NPS re: the fuel situation on the island.

If weather dictates, we can turn around at Windigo and stay in the “lee” of a strong NW wind, etc.

Buckda posted 06-08-2010 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Note: at Chippewa Harbor, there is plenty of room to anchor out for those of us with larger boats. I recommend that we make plans for 22' cabin boats and larger to plan to be at anchor since dock space is limited. The inner harbor really is hurricane proof, and we can transit between boats and shore via inflatable tenders.

This would also be true in other situations where dock space is at a premium. I think the larger vessels should make plans to make room for the smaller ones.

David Pendleton posted 06-08-2010 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I think that sounds good (the itinerary and dock plan). I'm up for everything except Passage Island. I've been there twice and I really don't need to see it again on this trip.
Hoosier posted 06-08-2010 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
How deep are the proposed anchorages? I want to be sure to have enough rode.
David Pendleton posted 06-08-2010 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I would say they average around 30 feet or less.

I travel everywhere with 300' of rode and haven't had a problem.

Buckda posted 06-09-2010 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
David Hart -
As Mr. Pendleton points out, the anchorages on the island are usually sand/gravel bottom and 30 ft deep or less. The cool water limits the amount of vegetation in most bays and anchorages, so using a light danforth anchor is not difficult.

The island has a history that includes commercial logging, however, I've not noticed a lot of timber on the bottom. Even so, it would be prudent to bring secondary ground tackle in the event that an anchor is lost. Usually the water is so cool that diving to free or retrieve your anchor is a brief exercise - meaning, if you can't get it quickly, you probably will choose to cut your losses.

Anchorages at Chippewa Harbor, McCargoe Cove and Passage Island are unlikely to really strain/deep set the anchor due to their very protected geography - but snagging an underwater obstruction is not out of the question.

David Pendleton posted 06-09-2010 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
To be honest, I've only ever anchored in Duncan Bay, on both trips.

The bottom there exhibited all the characteristics of grease. I used a 14lb Delta both times (my primary hook) with no problems.

I did have a 14lb Danforth with me also, but no rode for it. This year, I'll probably bring it and 150' of rode as well as it appears likely I'll be anchoring out a bit more.

For others, at a minimum, I would bring one anchor appropriate to your boat in both size and weight and 150' of rode. If you have room, a second anchor and additional rode would be a good idea.

Better to have and not need than need and not have, but don't get too worked up if you only have one anchor.

Buckda posted 06-09-2010 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Earlier, I mentioned fuel usage and again touched on the concerns that Isle Royale Concessions is planning to use last year’s gas and sell it for $5.38/gallon. The concerns are twofold – first, there is the concern about “stale” gas being sold for use in our rather expensive marine engines. Not only could this lead to problems (phase separation, water in fuel, sediment, low octane, etc) but it very likely will reduce fuel efficiency as well. Second, the price – which is usually high – is exorbitantly high for the current fuel market. The price of fuel has dropped significantly (like, $.60/gallon) from last year – adding the discount – that would make this year’s fuel a somewhat more palatable $4.78/gallon.

While thinking that through, I began to do the calculations for range and how we might manage fuel use on the island – and how fuel management and range might impact itineraries, etc.

As luck would have it, I happen to have my GPS logs from my previous trips to the Island, and decided to access those logs to benchmark a “reasonable” set of miles that I can expect to log on this trip.

I struck out.

In 2005, we were blown in by the low pressure system that had been Hurricane Katrina – leading us to put a mere 131 miles on the log. In 2007, we put a more respectable 330 miles under the keel.

So, for the sake of argument, I’m going to assign a target number of about 350 miles for this trip, which should be very comfortably conservative on the high side.

For the moment – and for budgeting purposes, I am assuming a fuel economy figure around 1.8 MPG for my Outrage Cuddy 25’, which gives me a maximum range (from belly tanks) of about 230 miles (assumes 65 “usable” gallons in two 70 gallon tanks). – which means I may need to purchase or otherwise supply another tank (65 gallons) of fuel.

Of that, I’d like as little as possible to be from the concession tanks on the island, unless we hear that they’ve renewed those tanks with fresh fuel and adjusted the price accordingly.

I do have options – I have a 25 gallon capacity plastic deck tank that fits under my leaning post, and I can reasonably carry another 15 gallons in portable plastic gerry cans lashed to the deck.

Now that I’ve returned to old, thirsty engine technology, this is back to the forefront of worries.

Anyway – I’ll probably “freshen the tank” right after the crossing, which would replace about 25 gallons, and could then feasibly splash another 25 in the portable tank for the ride back at the end of the week – any remaining fuel in the belly tanks would be my reserve.

That leaves me with about 50 gallons of fuel purchased on the island, or up to $270 in fuel costs.

Truck fuel – the trip is 600 miles to Copper Harbor. I can reliably expect 10 MPG towing my rig for 1,200 miles round trip – 120 gallons of truck fuel. Expecting the average price of fuel to rise to about $2.85/gallon on the mainland, I can expect to spend about $350 in fuel for my truck.

Total fuel budget, not including re-filling the boat tanks, is $620. Assume I re-fill my boat tanks and we add another $385 – call it $1,000 even in fuel costs.

Add park fees (7x$4.00 = $28), misc. costs ($100 for tolls (Mackinac Bridge), parking in Copper Harbor (if applicable), misc. travel expenses, etc.) and food & ice (right now, I’ll put a $220 figure here) and we’re at $1,350.00 for a full week of fun and relaxation. Add a second person and the per-person cost drops considerably.

Thoughts on this initial cost analysis?

Buckda posted 06-09-2010 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Also - you can pre-register here: https://www.pasty.com/isro/nps.php - which will save the "Shock and awe" factor of 10 boats showing up in Rock Harbor to register all at once.

Buckda posted 06-10-2010 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I've just used the above link to register for this trip. I encourage you to consider this option as well.

*Really* looking forward to this trip.

Plotman posted 06-24-2010 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I just posted a message about plans to take a quick trip to the island in July. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001181.html

I still plan to join you for the first part of the trip in August, but I'll have to cut it short because my kids start school that week.

David

K Albus posted 06-26-2010 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I picked up my Navionics Lake Superior chart card today at Lockeman's. I'm almost ready, now. I just have to figure out what to do about a camp stove. Earlier, somebody mentioned something about sharing some of this stuff. I'm all for self-sufficiency, but is there any reason to have eight separate camp stoves and eight sets of pans for eight separate boats?

On a separate note, my buddy who was supposed to join me on this trip has bailed. As of now, I'll be running solo.

David Pendleton posted 06-26-2010 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Kevin, you should talk to Dave and Pat. If I remember correctly, they pooled their groceries for the 2007 trip and all three of us used Dave's big, three-burner Coleman stove.

I have a Coleman Sportster which is small enough that I would bring it in any case. I also have larger stoves that I could bring if I were a designated "stove carrier."

This will likely require much more planning once people firm up their plans.

You're right, though. We certainly don't need eight stoves and eight sets of cookware, but we do need enough should we have to split up into two or more groups.

And some folks may just want to bring their own stuff. That's cool too.

6992WHALER posted 06-28-2010 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I am considering joining this group. My wife has to work but my father and I might make the run. We would come over from the MN side.

John

Hoosier posted 06-29-2010 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Kevin, did you get the 647P+ chip?
K Albus posted 06-29-2010 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
David, I have an older Furuno GP 1850 combination chartplotter/fishfinder. It uses the Navionics "Classic" chart cards. The Lake Superior card is US846L. The "Classic" chart cards have all of the details of the newer cards, but the visual presentation is not quite as appealing. I put my new card in the other day to check the detail around Isle Royale, and it looked pretty good. It appears to have all of the docks properly marked, and it shows the campgrounds which are near the water.
Hoosier posted 06-29-2010 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I have two of the old Gold SD cards, one that covers the central US from Michigan to the Gulf Coast, and the other that has the entire Great Lakes, including Canadian waters. Both cards have all of Michigan's Great Lakes waters.
Buckda posted 06-30-2010 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The following map can be used for trip planning purposes. Note that it is not a substitute for you getting proper navigational charts, nor is it a substitute for an official Isle Royale park map that is available at each ranger station.

We've worked to indicate, to the best of our knowledge, where docks and no-wake zones exist. Please note that park service maps aren't always 100% clear on boundaries of no-wake zones, as evidenced by a warning I received from Ranger Marshall in 2005.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0& msid=100673786007137196036.000483936b80f1b772ed6&t=h&z=8

Feel free to add, update, edit and collaborate.

Dave

home Aside posted 07-01-2010 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
One step closer, last night I put in my bid for my Furlough at work for the time off....Boss said it looks good, but don't like to get too excited until he carves it in stone....keep your fingers crossed....

Pat

home Aside posted 07-05-2010 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I got all the furlough time I requested to make the trip, so barring any unforseen events I'm in. It sounds like my oldest son Case and possibly one of his friends may come along too...Yee Hah

Pat

David Pendleton posted 07-05-2010 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Good to hear, Pat.
Plotman posted 07-07-2010 01:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I'm out.

My kids back to school date this year has been moved up a couple of days from where it used to be (from Wednesday before Labor day to the Monday before). I thought I could sneak in half the week, but it just isn't going to happen.

There is no busing that week, and I was counting on the older ones to take care of the little one during the day while I was gone. Logistically, it's just going to be too big of a mess, and it would create a must leave by xx scenario for me, which we all know isn't the greatest plan on Lake Superior.

I was really looking forward to meeting up in person with several of you who I haven't met (and those of you I have met too).

That said, this makes me all the more determined to get up there in a couple of weeks.

David

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
So, we're at 8 confirmed boats that plan to attend, and two that are "Maybe". Sounds like a good group!

We have:
(1) 25' Outrage Cuddy - OMC
(2) 23' Conquests - Mercury/Mercruiser
(1) 22' Revenge - Yamaha
(1) 22' Revenge WD - BRP/Evinrude
(1) 22' Outrage - Yamaha
(1) 18' Dauntless - Mercury
(1) 17' 170 Montauk - Mercury

Am I missing anyone at this point?

Also, has there been any word re: the fuel situation on the island?

I think I can make this trip, if I plan carefully, with only needing to purchase about 40 gallons of fuel on the island, but even that is pricey, and not worth much if it's bad fuel.

Dave

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I think I left off Dave Hart - 20' Outrage V-20 - Suzuki

Sorry Dave!

K Albus posted 07-07-2010 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I think your count is a little off. So far I have it like this:

Confirmed:

D. Buckalew - (1) 25' Outrage Cuddy - OMC
D. Pendleton - (1) 23' Conquest - Mercruiser
P. Henahan - (1) 22' Revenge - Yamaha
J. Hebert - (1) 22' Revenge WD - BRP/Evinrude
K. Albus - (1) 18' Dauntless - Mercury
H. Watkins - (1) 17' 170 Montauk - Mercury


Maybe:

D. Hart - (1) 20' Outrage V-20 - Suzuki
6992Whaler - boat unknown

Definitely Out:

L. Goltz - (1) 25' Outrage - Mercury

Hal Watkins posted 07-07-2010 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
I just made a call to Rock Harbor...gas still $5.38 gal. I asked if there had been any fuel problems this year...none reported. "They test fuel for octane and quality otherwise they couldn't sell it". The driver of this price was fuel avaialbilty and pricing in 2008. As soon as they can lay in some new/cheaper fule the blended price should decline.

I utilize rationalizationism...If I need to purchase 20 gallons and it cost me $2.50 a gallon more than on shore, there is necessity/convienience factor worth $1.00. The other $1.50 x 20 gal. = $30.00 for fresh air, no traffic jams, no phones, no light pollution to observe the milky way, maybe even the Northern lights, Loons singing all night...a bargain in my mind.

Hal, Waseca, MN

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 02:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
6992Whaler has a 23 Walkaround.

I have no idea how "WiseEd" got included in my list?

Thanks for the update on fuel. I've done a quick trip planning/budgeting spreadsheet and am working on adding in some cushion - but looks like I'll just need to add about 35-40 gallons for the return crossing (which would give me an appropriate level of comfort). Right now I'm assuming that I'll see 1.8 MPG averaged over the trip. Fingers crossed on that.

Everything might change when I run the first tank dry and calculate my economy, which should be right before we get to Windigo.

K Albus posted 07-07-2010 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
WisED expressed some interest in a different thread back in February 2010. See: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/004181.html . Since he's never posted in this thread, I didn't count him as a maybe.

My concern with the gas on the island is the quality and not so much the price. My boat has a maximum cruising range of about 300 miles. With a lot of no-wake boating mixed in, there's an outside chance that I may not need to refuel on the island at all. Do you suppose there's any difference between the gas available at Rock Harbor and the gas available at Windigo?

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Price isn't my concern either, except that if it is of low quality it's not really worth the high price, is it?

I don't think there is any difference between the gas at the two docks. I believe both are above-ground tanks. I would venture a guess that Rock Harbor sells a greater volume of fuel. I don't know if there is a difference in the condition of the two tanks - but the fuel is likely from the same source, and shipped to the island on the same barge.

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Kevin -

My current quick estimate is a plotted 290 miles. I'd add about 30 percent as a buffer. I wouldn't want to cruise back across lake Superior "on fumes" - even if we only made 300 miles total for the week, which is where my purchase of fuel on the island comes in.

Hal Watkins posted 07-07-2010 03:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Let me clarify...the gas has been tested and meets all state requirements for octane and quality. Otherwise they couldn't sell it. My plan is to top off when I reach the island then make sure I have enuf to get home on. Will likely take some fuel treatment with me.

The consessionaire would be in a real pickle if any percenatge of boaters ended up floundering due to "bad gas".

Hal, Waseca, Mn

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hal -

Thanks for that clarification.

I think I'm still going to bring some additive. Why not make it even more expensive per gallon, eh?!

K Albus posted 07-07-2010 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Hal, thanks for that information. I saw it in your earlier post. I'm just not sure I believe it.

Dave, there's no way I'll chance running out of gas in the middle of Lake Superior. The only way I could get by without refueling on the island is if we get socked in by weather for a couple of days and/or don't end up circumnavigating the island.

I'm not going to spend the whole week focused on fuel economy. If it appears early on that the weather is going to be nice and we're going to put a significant number of miles under the keel, I'll fill-up early in the week in order to mix that old gas with a larger quantity of the new gas that will be in my tank. If the weather looks crummy, and it looks like we'll be stuck on one side of the island with no long runs over the water, I may wait until the end of the week to decide whether I'll buy any fuel on the island. But under no circumstances would I leave the island without approximately double the amount of fuel I believe it will take to get me back to Copper Harbor.

Buckda posted 07-07-2010 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
It is trips like this when I know I will really miss the efficiency of a fuel efficient DFI outboard. Believe me when I say that I’ve been considering ways to rig a 6 HP kicker on the 25, just for this trip.

My fuel budget for the boat and the truck is approximately $900, assuming $2.85 on the highway and $5.38 on the island, with only 40 gallons purchased on the island.

I think I will be revisiting rigging an auxiliary tank under the leaning post like I did on my 18, plus some jerry cans.

K Albus posted 07-07-2010 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Dave, since you now have the biggest boat, and you'll be by yourself, and you're already going to have spare gasoline on your deck, how'd you like to volunteer to be the designated gas barge for the group? I'll bring three full 5-gallon cans to keep on your boat. I'll pay you a 20% carrying charge - you can take 1 gallon from each can. Sound like a plan?
Buckda posted 07-08-2010 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Why does everyone always assume I'll be by myself?
David Pendleton posted 07-08-2010 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
It would appear that most, if not all of us are departing from Copper Harbor (I'm leaning that direction).

If everyone is so concerned about fuel, we could pool our money, fill the cans and spread them around the boats.

My boat displaces about 5000 pounds, another 30-60 pounds (5-10 gallons of gas) isn't going to matter much.

K Albus posted 07-08-2010 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Dave P., my suggestion that Dave B. use his boat as a fuel barge for the rest of us was a feeble attempt at humor. I'd rather take my chances with the $5.38-per-gallon gas on the island than carry around a couple of empty gas cans for most of the week.

Can you imagine getting pulled over by Customs & Border Patrol with 15 or 20 five-gallon cans of gas strapped to your deck while motoring full speed ahead toward Rock Harbor?

Buckda posted 07-08-2010 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Actually, believe it or not, there are quite a few vessels that have red plastic jerry cans on the foredeck. $5.38/gallon will cause lots of Yoopers and others to get very creative.

David Pendleton posted 07-08-2010 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
If you were heading into Canada, yes that'd be a problem.

When I crossed at Sault Ste. Marie in 2008, they were very concerned about the 125 gallons that were in my tank.

No Customs or Border Patrol at ISRO, just Rangers and Park Service LEO's.

If the hyper-expensive gas is a concern to anyone, there is an alternative: you could always make the ~25 mile (one way) run from the Windigo area to Grand Portage to buy fuel.

I'm not sure that would be cost-effective, but the price per gallon at the G.P. marina would certainly be cheaper.

Plotman posted 07-08-2010 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Guys-

If you are in or passing Windigo, it is 20 miles each way to Grand Portage. Gas there is $2.29 at the dock. (Not a typo, I just called and asked - no state road taxes on gas on an indian reservation).

If you are buying more than about 20 gallons, it is probably worth the 40 miles of fuel burn to go buy gas $3.00 a gallon cheaper. It is what I did last time I cruised over from Madeline - fueled up in GP. Gas today at GP is 2.29 a gallon (no state taxes on gas sold on an Indian Reservation.)

20 gallons x 5.38 = $107

my boat gets 2.5 mpg, so I'd need to buy an extra 16 gallons or 36 at the lower price.

36 x 2.29 = $82


That is just the breakeven point. If you are buying more than that, it gets way cheaper to run to GP.

This of course presumes that you can take on enough fuel at GP to get you back to copper harbor.

At the very least, you could look at it as free boating for a trip over and back.

Buckda posted 07-08-2010 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Great information. I'm going to plan to call Grand Portage before departure at Copper Harbor. I can take a full 70 or 80 gallons by then and comfortably make the rest of the trip.
David Pendleton posted 07-08-2010 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Wasn't Paul Mott supposed to be in on this trip? Where is he, anyway?
Buckda posted 07-08-2010 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I think one of the exotic plants from one of his landscapes got him.
David Pendleton posted 07-08-2010 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
If fuel prices remain that low at the Grand Portage Marina, I may switch my departure point back there.

I like to travel with the boat tank as empty as possible, usually 1/4 tank (~30 gallons) or less.

If I can fill the tank, which is more than enough for the entire trip, for less than $300.00 that's pretty tempting. I doubt I could do that in Copper Harbor (or elswhere in the K.P.)

After the 2007 trip, when I had pulled the boat, I noticed that their diesel was ridiculously cheap, so I filled the truck from the marina pumps and paid the marina kid; he didn't say a word.

It wasn't until I was on the road that I made the connection: it was off-road diesel. I didn't worry too much about it; DOT is not likely to stick my tanks, but it was a little weird driving home knowing my tank was full of contraband that could have gotten me in a lot of trouble.


jimh posted 07-09-2010 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Based on some recent trips I have made where we have run at lower speeds, I am seeing that my average fuel economy is around 3-MPG or more. Figuring a 70-gallon useful fuel load (from a 77-gallon tank), that implies my average range would be about 210-miles. I think the run over from Copper Harbor is about 55-miles. This implies the trip over and back will be at least 110-miles. On that basis I could expect about 100-mile range on Isle Royale before needing additional fuel. I would be hesitant to depart from the island for Copper Harbor with just the minimum fuel on board, even with the 7-gallon margin.

At really slow speed I can bump the fuel economy to about 10-MPG, but this would require a painfully slow transit of the open water. I was actually giving some thought to departing very early from Copper Harbor, if the seas were calm and the weather fair, and running in the dark of early morning at low speed for several hours, just to put 15 miles or so of the passage behind me at very high fuel economy.

If I ran 15-miles at 7.5-MPG, I would only burn 2-gallons. I could then run the remaining 40-miles at normal planing speed, where fuel economy would be 2.5-MPG. That would burn 16-gallons. For the round trip in this mode we'd burn 32-gallons. Now I am down to 38-gallons for running around the island. If we average 3-MPG we'd have a 114-mile range. If we putt-putt around at displacement speed and get 5-MPG, we'd have 190-mile range on the island.

I figure the time to buy fuel is just before departing from Isle Royale to Copper Harbor. At that point you can make an estimate of how much fuel to have, based on sea conditions and anticipated running time and speed.

The only hesitation to buying the fuel just before departing is the concern over fuel quality. It would be awful to have a fuel filter clog five miles offshore, just as the new fuel begins to be drawn into the engine.

jimh posted 07-09-2010 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
SWAMP COOLER

I expect that the water temperature around Isle Royal will be rather low, perhaps in the 40-degree range. Beverages kept at 40-degrees are quite refreshing. It just occurred to me that perhaps I could use the live well as a cooler just by flooding it with cold sea water. This could serve as the beverage cooler, which would reduce the space needed in the main cooler chest, where ice would provide the refrigeration. Any comments on this idea?

K Albus posted 07-09-2010 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Jim, here are my comments concerning your last two posts:

1. Fuel - Read the last dozen or so posts. It appears at this time that the plan is to leave Isle Royale at some point during the week to purchase fuel at the Indian reservation marina in Grand Portage. The fuel there is essentially untaxed, and regular gas is currently selling for about $2.29 per gallon. It's only a 20 mile run each way, making it well worth the trip if you plan to purchase anything more than 20 gallons.

2. Swamp Cooler - The surface temperature of the water around Isle Royale is currently in the mid-to-high 50s. See: http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/superior/s2.html . It is likely even higher in the harbors and coves immediately adjacent to the island. If you plan to use lake water to cool your beverages, you may have to head out for deeper water and submerge them for a short while.

jimh posted 07-09-2010 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In order for a 50-mile run to purchase fuel to become cost effective, you have to buy enough fuel to overcome the fuel wasted in making the trip to get it. That means your boat tank has to be low enough to have room for a fair amount of fuel to be added.

If I run 50-miles on plane I will burn about 20-gallons of fuel. In order to make it cost effective, I have to save enough to make up for those 20-gallons. The extra 20-gallons cost about $50. Figure I save roughly $2.50/gallon, so right away I have to buy 20-gallons more to break even. That means I have to buy 40-gallons of fuel at Grand Portage just to break even. If I want to save I can buy 20-gallons more, and I'll be $50 ahead. This means when I get to the fuel dock I have to buy 60-gallons, roughly. Now I have to manage the fuel on the trip in such a way that when I arrive at Grand Portage on the fuel side-trip I have room for 60-gallons in a 77-gallon tank. That seems like too close to the edge for me, and it also makes the trip planning too difficult.

I'd rather carry two extra 5-gallons cans, or buy $50 of fuel from the Park Service.

The notion that the National Park is selling fuel from 2008 at 2008's inflated prices tells me that not many people actually buy fuel from them, or they are terrible inventory managers. Maybe by late in the season they will have sold off the old fuel and gotten a better price.

jimh posted 07-09-2010 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
SWAMP COOLER

Water at over 50-degrees is too warm to use as a beverage cooler, even for English beer. However, you could probably get much colder water from deeper in the lake. We used to cool the beer on the sailboat in Lake Huron by lowering it over the side when anchored in 30-feet of water. After 15 minutes at depth it was ice cold

K Albus posted 07-09-2010 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Jim, using your numbers, you will burn at least 16 gallons of fuel making the run from Copper Harbor to Rock Harbor. Windigo is approximately 52 miles from Rock Harbor, so based on your average of 3-MPG, you will have burned another 17 gallons by the time you get to Windigo, for a total of 33 gallons. If you then go to Grand Portage for fuel, you will burn another 10 gallons, for a total of 43 gallons. At that point you will have already burned enough fuel to break even by purchasing gas in Grand Portage. If you fill up your boat at Grand Portage, you will then have 60 gallons of usable fuel when you get back to Isle Royale (assuming you return to Windigo). From those 60 gallons you will need 16 gallons for the return trip from Rock Harbor to Copper Harbor. This leaves you with 44 gallons of fuel to use getting from Windigo back to Rock Harbor, which should be more than enough based on the proposed itinerary. If you followed this plan, there would be no need for you to purchase fuel of questionable quality on Isle Royale, and no need for you to carry fuel cans on board. You would have comfortable fuel margins for both reaching Grand Portage for refueling in the middle of the week and for reaching Copper Harbor for the end of the trip. You should also easily have enough fuel so that you could make the two trips between Copper Harbor and Rock Harbor at planing speed, rather than motoring for hours at displacement speed in order to save a couple gallons of fuel. Any fuel left over at the end of the trip would be a bonus.
ChrisW posted 07-09-2010 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisW  Send Email to ChrisW     
In a timely topic from Public Radio today, Lake Superior water temperatures are reported to be warmer than normal. This is attributed to lack of ice on the Lake this winter. In fact, the Big Lake is predicted to be 20-degrees above its norm this summer. As Kevin's chart shows, the water temps are already mid-50's, another 15-degrees and we might actually do a bit of swimming. Since the warmest temperatures occur in mid-August, I'll be bringing my bathing suit!
jimh posted 07-09-2010 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin's analysis of my fuel situation seems like a natural fit into the plan to go to Grand Portage. Since a run of only 20-miles will take less than an hour at planing speed, it might be an interesting diversion. We'd get to see Grand Portage, without an extra 800-miles of driving.
David Pendleton posted 07-09-2010 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Chris, I read those reports as well. The claim was 20° higher than normal.

I'm skeptical; we just spent the weekend in the Apostles and I never noticed the water temperature exceeding 58°. My transducer is about a foot below the surface.

I think you can count on the water being cold, even in the bays. I didn't swim on the 2007 trip, but I did see folks that did. Like these guys:

http://home.comcast.net/~davepen/images/other/dsc00591.jpg

I think they were drunk, though.

David Pendleton posted 07-09-2010 11:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Sorry to disappoint Jim, but the G.P. marina is little more than a dozen slips, a cinder-block building and a parking lot.

There's an adjacent RV park (parking lot with shore-power), and a "Trading Post" (giant gas station/convenience store).

The Casino is nearby, but it's not much to marvel at either.

WT posted 07-10-2010 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Here's a picture of Grand Portage Marina via Google Earth Street View.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/GPMarina.jpg

Sounds like a great rendezvous.

Warren

jimh posted 07-11-2010 02:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Warren--Thank you. You saved me 800-miles of driving.
Hoosier posted 07-12-2010 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I just got back from a week off line in the UP. Just keep us in the maybe column for now.

FWIW: I activated my Sirius Weather Radar option on my HDS-5 Sonar/chartplotter and got to test it this past weekend on the St. Mary's River. Awesome! The resolution is about 1 mile square, but if you zoom out to a reasonable view it looks like the images on TV. I was able to watch, and avoid, a large thunderstorm that drowned St. Joseph Island. The manual says it even shows snow...;-)

6992WHALER posted 07-12-2010 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I am still hoping to join you.
I would say I am at about 60% yes as of now.

John

David Pendleton posted 07-12-2010 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
John, once you decide, drop me a line and we can possibly coordinate our trips.

I've changed my mind about my departure point; I'll be using Grand Portage marina.

6992WHALER posted 07-12-2010 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
David,
If I go I will make sure we talk.
Thanks
John
6992WHALER posted 07-17-2010 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I am in 100%.

My Father and I will join you.
I think we will go up on August 30 or 31.

We are coming from the MN side so I think we will meet you in Siskiwit Bay/Hay Bay on Tuesday.

On Sunday when you guys head home I will probably head over to Windigo, (Might stop in a Chippewa on the way) and either head over to the main land or depending on the forecast spend the night and head over Monday am.

David, let me know if you want to coordinate both crossings or just the return?

K Albus posted 07-18-2010 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I did a trial run today for one of my breakfast items - a breakfast burrito. I poured some Southwestern flavor Egg Beaters into warm pan, and added some Oscar Mayer pre-cooked, thick-sliced bacon (which is still pretty thin) torn into small pieces and some Kraft shredded Colby-Jack cheese. When it was done cooking, I scooped it onto a fresh flour tortilla. A nice hot breakfast that was quick and easy to make, and left a very minimal mess to clean from one non-stick pan. It tasted pretty good.
David Pendleton posted 07-18-2010 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Kevin, that sounds pretty good actually.

I love bacon, but I've never had the pre-cooked variety. I also like my bacon a little more rare than most folks.

Unfortunatlely, bacon is a pain to cook. It makes a mess and you have a lot grease to deal with (unless you make eggs and biscuits with it, but my days of doing that are over).

If you want bacon on this trip, find a brand you like and cook it beforehand and bring it along.

Even if it isn't stored on ice, cooked (or even raw) bacon in a ziplock will keep just fine for several days.

Believe it or not.

Buckda posted 07-19-2010 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I just returned from a week in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan with the boat. Looks like I'm definitely going to have to re-evaluate my fuel use as the new boat appears to get between 1.6 and 1.8 MPG in ideal conditions under "normal" usage.

Still looking forward to this - and I have my trip budget set aside and ready to go.

I may also be adding two passengers aboard my boat, who will need to use shore-based shelters or tent sites...which means I'll be transiting as directly as possible to the day's destination so they can secure sleeping quarters by placing their park permit on the shelter - and then explore from there.

This is going to be a great trip.

David Pendleton posted 07-19-2010 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Ouch.

Who's coming along with you? Anyone we/I know?

Buckda posted 07-19-2010 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
David -

I don't believe you've met this fine couple, but they have been along for one of the Fall color tours, and my good friend, Kevin, has been along for several other outings.

Buckda posted 07-21-2010 02:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Planning to attend:
D. Buckalew - (1) 25' Outrage Cuddy –with up to 3 POB *dingy – Previous visit
D. Pendleton - (1) 23' Conquest – with 1 POB *dingy – Previous visit
6992Whaler – (1) 23’ Walkaround - with 2 POB
P. Henahan - (1) 22' Revenge – with up to 3 POB – Previous Visit
J. Hebert - (1) 22' Revenge WD - with 2 POB
K. Albus - (1) 18' Dauntless – with up to 2 POB
H. Watkins - (1) 17' 170 Montauk – with 2 POB – Previous Visit

Maybe:
D. Hart - (1) 20' Outrage V-20 – Suzuki with 2 POB

That makes 8 boats and two auxiliaries, with up to 17 people on board – which means we will have to break up into three groups to satisfy park requirements. Otherwise we will have to register a SET, FIXED itinerary. In that case, we’d STILL have to break into two groups, as the maximum group size is 10 persons.

We only have three or four boats whose captain/crew have not been on the island.

First, I recommend that you all register independently at the “boat” level. It would be ideal if you do this in advance. Any reasonable itinerary will work, as you can change your itinerary to whatever you want when you get there.

Here is what I propose. We coordinate the trip to have two “shuffle points” in the trip, allowing the group to intermingle and meet others, but each time breaking into a new configuration of boats. I suggest this happen at pre-determined locations for a nice raft up for lunch.

I suggest we handle this by a random drawing whereby we have two groups of three boats and one group of two.

During the shuffle point, we’ll hold a captain’s meeting where each group decides where they will go next. By that, I mean that we’ll plan on being at locations with three docks or anchorages nearby – but broken into groups.

At many locations, we can still cross-pollinate using the dingy’s, or via radio, if needed.

The other option is to run independent three groups throughout the week. I don’t like this one because I would like to get to know all of you and get to spend some time with you. I’m a teddy bear like that. Yeah. I said it.

Keep in mind the understanding that the rangers monitor the radio and may still ask that we break down the group further if we’re disturbing other campers. They also monitor closely what is happening at docks, etc.

Which brings forward another point – one that I hope is wasted breath because everyone is on the same page. It will be extremely important to be extra diligent about quiet hours – even during non-quiet hours, and managing/mitigating the disturbance we might create (including trains of several boats generating lots of wakes in narrow channels, etc.) In some areas of the island like the north shore, our wakes won’t matter much, but in channels like the Amygdyloid channel, rocking the ranger boat by 8 sets of wakes is probably not a great idea.

Anyway, just one more thing to keep in mind. This is a good problem to have and it is wonderful that we have such a strong turnout expected.

David Pendleton posted 07-21-2010 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
If you haven't done so already, please download the Superintendent’s Compendium Of Designations, Closures, Permit Requirements and Other Restrictions Imposed Under Discretionary Authority at the following link:

http://isleroyale.org/newsletters/ISRO%20Compendium-final%202010.pdf

While Dave and I might be making the rules sound a little more harsh than they actually are, I do know from anecdotal sources that they will not allow 17 people to congregate for long outside any of the "Developed Zones" (Windigo, Rock Harbor and Mott Island).

Read the document for more information regarding zones and their definition.

Dave is right, registering individually will allow us to manage our own group sizes and we should have no problems at all.

Hoosier posted 07-21-2010 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I just waded through most of the Compendium and have some questions. How do we decontaminate our boats since we're arriving by water, not by ferry? Is there an accepted process, bleach spray, disinfectant, that can be used? Do they inspect incoming boats? I have no idea how to clean my rigging tunnel.
David Pendleton posted 07-21-2010 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dave, just nuke 'em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure...

Sorry, call the Park Service office. That's the only way to be sure. Besides the nukes, course.

906.482.0986 phone
906.487.7170 fax

home Aside posted 07-22-2010 05:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
While the regulations are what make this place special, and the Rangers have a job to do, Last trip I found them to be very cordial, of course we only had three boats that time, but there were other boats present at some of the locations.

One thing we have going for us is that, as I see it, most of 7 boats listed I've met and boated with and we're all responsible, considerate boaters, and that's a plus. I don't see us as being the squeaky wheels that the Rangers will need to grease....

Dave Hart, good question on the decontamination, never came up on the last (my first) trip that I recall.

I plan on registering tomorrow....

One other thought as far as over crowding, would you consider this pretty close to the end of the season on Isle Royal? Crowds may be smaller last week of August first week of September which could be to our advantage...

Pat

Hoosier posted 07-22-2010 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I plan on having some bleach or Simple Green and a spray bottle; at least my boat will smell clean.
Pat, we'll be there the week before Labor Day Weekend so it actually could be very busy.
Buckda posted 07-22-2010 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I spoke to the park service about decontamination yesterday afternoon.

If you trailer your boat, if it is out of the water for more than 5 days on the trailer, you're fine.

home Aside posted 07-22-2010 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Well that solves it for me, mine hasn't seen water since last October...otw to pick it up in a few minutes, hope to wet it down this weekend

Pat

K Albus posted 07-22-2010 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
There appear to be rather strict regulations regarding the use of electronic devices. The regulations indicate that the use of marine band radios and other emergency communication devices is allowed within certain limits. What about FRS radios? I was planning to bring mine. Should I leave it at home? Is anybody else planning to bring theirs?
David Pendleton posted 07-22-2010 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
As I understand it, and have experienced, while underway you can use your VHF as you normally would.

While docked or anchored outside of the developed areas, you can still use it, but noone but you should be able to hear it.

David Pendleton posted 07-22-2010 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I have an GMRS/FRS radio in my bag because usually someone else has one and it could come in handy.

I'm not sure how well they would work in the terrain up there; they don't work that well anyway.

Bring it along, you never know.

Hoosier posted 07-22-2010 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Is there any Internet access/WIFI at the developed areas? As a newbie I had to ask this one.
David Pendleton posted 07-22-2010 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
There is WiFi at the lodge. However, it was secured and probably just for employees as the lodge web site doesn't list it as one of the amenities.

Buckda posted 07-22-2010 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hoosier -

Let me put it this way: There is a public phone at the developed area of Rock Harbor. It does not connect to a land line, but rather a radio that transmits across the lake to a landline.

It is remote. Think "Like your cottage in the UP".

That said, according to the NPS, there was discussion of providing WI-Fi availability to park employees - I think they have provided that. In 2005, we saw a printout of the news reports from the Katrina aftermath...however, I'm quite sure that internet access is not available to park users, and if so, it is probably over a modem.

Also: If you bring your computer for anything that requires Internet access, you will be banned from participation.

ECTR posted 07-22-2010 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECTR  Send Email to ECTR     
I would like to join the group on this trip, I have been interested in an IR trip for some time and think it would be great to make the run with an experienced group.

Still finalizing towing logistics but have taken care of park registration and plan on being in Copper Harbor on Saturday the 28th. I will have one passenger and have an inflatable on board.

Look forward to meeting everyone.

Craig

Buckda posted 07-22-2010 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Craig -

Will you be on the Defiance?!

Awesome.

Welcome.

ECTR posted 07-22-2010 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECTR  Send Email to ECTR     
Yes, we will be on the Defiance, however if my wide load permits don't come through I might have to run my 13 in someones wake!

Craig

David Pendleton posted 07-22-2010 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Welcome, Craig. It'll be nice to have you and your boat along.
Hoosier posted 07-22-2010 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Buckda, I'll bring my netbook because it's also a chartplotter that I can watch (silent) movies on...

I have the Sirius Weather Radar option on my HDS. Weather is what I'm most interested in on this trip.

Craig, if you have to use the 13, you can follow in my wake. I'm now the smallest and most under powered boat on this adventure. We can leave early and arrive late....

Buckda posted 07-23-2010 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Dave Pendleton -

You are neither the smallest nor the second smallest Whaler.

KAlbus has a 180 Dauntless and Hal has a 170 Montauk.

Buckda posted 07-23-2010 08:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Wow. Brain cloud. I meant David Hart.

Buckda posted 07-23-2010 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
For purposes of explaining the size of our "group"...

...we are joining together to ensure comfort and safe passage of all boats to the island. Once on the island, the flotilla will break up into smaller groupings to explore and enjoy the island. There will be some cross-pollination during the week. At the end of the week, we will rejoin as a flotilla for safe passage back to the mainland.

Let's hope they have enough gas. :)

Hoosier posted 07-23-2010 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Oops, well maybe not the smallest, but maybe the most underpowered? I'm at 64% of the maximum rating of 180 HP.
Any update on the gas situation on the island?
Hal Watkins posted 07-23-2010 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
We will not be able to join the group till Wed, 1 Sep mid day. As the trip gets closer and an itinerary firms up we will do our best to intercept a group. We will return to Grand Portage, Mn on Sunday the 5th. "Blue skys, light wind", Hal, Waseca, MN
Buckda posted 07-23-2010 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Thanks for that Hal - Good information to have.

Craig - does the 30' Defiance have sleeping quarters, or will you guys be staying at a shelter/campsite every night?

Dave

Buckda posted 07-23-2010 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Actually - please let me know if you need to have OVERNIGHT access to a dock.

Not if you will need to go ashore in the evening or morning for standard duties - but if you require to stay at the dock over night, are staying ashore in a shelter, etc.

I'm trying to plan appropriately to assign us into groups. Some of us will be at anchor for the overnights and can use a dingy, others of us may require just a temporary trip to the dock in the morning or evening.

This will help greatly.

Thanks.

ECTR posted 07-23-2010 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECTR  Send Email to ECTR     
Dave,

My plan is to overnight at anchor and use the dinghy. If dock space were available I may use it but will not count on it. When I registered online I used the itinerary you listed and indicated I would be using campsites at each location but I believe this can be amended.

Craig

jimh posted 07-24-2010 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Our plan is to travel on Friday, August 27, and drive most of the 585 miles to Copper Harbor, probably staying overnight somewhere along the road at a motel, as of yet undetermined. On Saturday, August 28 we will resume the drive and should arrive at Copper Harbor in the afternoon, giving us plenty of time to launch the boat and finish any preparations. We plan to go out for dinner in Copper Harbor on Saturday night, possibly at the HARBOR HAUS restaurant. We will be prepared to leave the dock on Sunday, August 29, at just about any time, including before first light, if there is a good reason to go early to take advantage of calm seas.

We have pre-registered for visiting the park from 8/29/2010 to 9/05/2010 and should be receiving confirmation soon.

We plan to return to Copper Harbor on Sunday, September 5, and proceed to the ramp to haul the boat. We will depart Copper Harbor on the highway that afternoon or evening, beginning our return drive. We will likely stay overnight again at some location along the highway. We will complete the drive home on Monday, September 6, which is LABOR DAY.

We have made provisions for being off work on Tuesday, September 6, so we can slide the return trip itinerary one day if weather conditions require a delay.

MarthaB posted 07-24-2010 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
For those of you traveling back to Michigan's lower peninsula on Labor Day.....I suggest M28, then M123, to I-75 rather than US 2. Because of the bridge walk, east bound US 2 traffic will back up for miles, then you inch along. Made that mistake once and will not do it again. Envy all of you, have wanted to explore Isle Royale since the early 90's.
Hoosier posted 07-25-2010 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I second Martha's advice and would encourage all those headed south to get across the bridge Sunday. The bridge walk starts at 7AM Labor Day.

http://www.mackinacbridge.org/annual-bridge-walk-7/

MarthaB posted 07-25-2010 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Driving across the bridge (Mackinaw) on Labor day is not a problem, even when pulling a BW. the northbound lanes are closed for the walkers, so one of the usual southbound lanes is used for the northbound traffic. timing is key...early morning til noon is probably the busiest (have not tried to cross during that time), usually we cross after 2 pm.
Buckda posted 07-26-2010 04:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Here’s what I have for your digestion/consumption. Please consider it, let me know if it will work with your fuel/supply needs and any suggestions, changes you might have. Special thanks to David Pendleton who helped with the logistics backbone of this proposal.

I’ve tried to schedule it so you have plenty of opportunities to hike and see the wildlife/interior of the park, and also get a chance (if you want) to see all of the historic lighthouses.

Here are the rules for this trip – you can change your itinerary at any time, if you wish and if you are “swapping” with someone (or going “rebel-alliance” on us). Just DON’T LEAVE SOMEONE ALONE (unless they’re just nearby and in radio range/contact), and don’t overcrowd and ‘call down the heat’ on the rest of the Whaler contingent.

Finally, each captain is responsible for making the final decisions on their itinerary, crew safety, etc. In the final analysis, your enjoyment of this trip is up to you.

Group A:
Sample Itinerary
Sunday – Arrive on island; explore Isle Royale Light/Edisen Fishery, continue to overnight location at Chippewa Harbor (Dock, Shelter or Anchor). Explore shipwreck in harbor, old schoolhouse, etc. Hike to nearby lake for wildlife viewing.
Monday – Depart Chippewa Harbor for Malone Bay. Visit Menagerie Island Light in transit. Hike to view Ryan Island, etc. Continue to overnight location in Hay Bay.
Tuesday – Depart Hay Bay for Grace Island. Visit Fisherman’s Home, tour rugged coastline. Visit Rock of Ages Light in transit. Arrive Grace Island for overnight (Dock, Shelter) – Robinson’ Harbor (Anchorage).
Wednesday - Visit Windigo for resupply/shower OR transit to Grand Portage for refuel/resupply. Long leg to Todd Harbor or McCargoe Cove/Birch Island for overnight. Explore old mines along McCargoe Cove. Fish, relax. Campfires allowed at McCargoe Cove.
Thursday – Explore Crystal Cove (shore), Five Finger Bay, Pickerel Cove, etc. Overnight at Belle Isle (Dock, Shelters) (hike) or nearby (anchor).
Friday – (Explore Passage Island, Lighthouse, Hike), or Lookout Louise (hike), Overnight at Tobin Harbor/Seaplane Dock, (Dock, Anchor) or Blake Point (Shelter). Supplies/showers available short hike over at Rock Harbor.
Saturday – Visit Raspberry Island (hike), Resupply Rock Harbor (if needed), Hike Scoville Point – transit to Caribou Island for overnight or COPPER HARBOR *(Wx dependent).
Sunday – Rendezvous with Group B for at Rock Harbor return to Copper Harbor.

Group B would be a similar itinerary, but would start at Windigo or Grace Island. They would proceed to Todd Harbor or McCargoe, then to Belle Isle, then to Tobin Harbor, then to Daisy Farm or Chippewa Harbor or Caribou Island, then to Malone Bay or Hay Bay…they’d backtrack to Rock Harbor for final resupply (fuel) if needed, and rejoin the group heading to Copper Harbor. This group will need to plan an early morning departure from Hay Bay to get back to Rock Harbor – or they could stay at Chippewa Harbor for two nights and make Hay Bay/Malone Bay/Menagerie Island Light a day trip from there.

Group C would comprise the Grand Portage departing boats and start at McCargoe Cove and work around the island and end the week at Grace Island/Windigo.

Buckda posted 07-26-2010 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hal -

If you're coming from Grand Portage, you'd likely join Group A on Wednesday - at McCargoe Cove.

If you're coming from Copper Harbor, You'd join Group B at the Blake Point dock (for the shelter/overnight).

David Pendleton posted 07-26-2010 07:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Is anyone considering starting the trip at Windigo?

6992WHALER posted 07-26-2010 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I plan to start at Windigo on Tuesday.
Check in at ranger station and register.
I don't know timing, I might drive up Monday night/Tuesday Am.
Or do the entire drive on Tuesday and cross over in the afternoon or evening depending on the weather.
I probably will start up Monday night for a 9:00 am or 10:00 am crossing on Tuesday

John

David Pendleton posted 07-26-2010 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Unfortunately, that's two days behind me.

Is anyone else considering spending Sunday night at Windigo?

Plotman posted 07-26-2010 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Peanut gallery here... water temp out at Cat and Outer Islands today was 73/74 degrees. Pretty much the same all the way in this evening. Bring your swimming trunks.

I have never seen Superior this warm. Swimming was downright pleasant.

David Pendleton posted 07-27-2010 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
At least two boats will be stragglers; joining us later in the week, and at least two boats will choose to anchor out every night (myself and Craig).

Because of this, I think we can all safely meet and overnight in Chippewa Harbor on Sunday and figure things out from there.

Newcomers to the island will want to see Edison Fishery and the Rock Harbor lighthouse (and museum). I can skip those sites this time around.

I will be spending Saturday (Aug 27) night in the Windigo area and I will join you at Chippewa Harbor Sunday afternoon. I'll try to get there around 1500. If dock space is available, I'll grab a spot to hold for our group.

Buckda posted 08-04-2010 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Ok...I'm planning to be in Copper Harbor by 8 PM on Saturday. Barring any real problems on the road, it is just about 600 miles for me - so about 12-13 hours. That gives me enough time and daylight to finish packing the boat at the ramp and launch in time for a relaxing evening before departure the next day.

Is anybody else finalizing their travel plans? Just curious if someone wants to caravan up. I'm a slowpoke, but right now am planning to go up through lower Michigan and across the UP.

Hoosier posted 08-04-2010 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We're going to head west late morning on Saturday, taking MI 28 to US 41 from the Soo. It's still a 340 mile drive, and we're already in the UP!

Is there anyplace to gather for dinner Saturday?

David Pendleton posted 08-04-2010 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Highway 28 across the UP; you poor bastards.
Hoosier posted 08-04-2010 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Only one of us is a bastard, the other is a *****.


David Pendleton posted 08-04-2010 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That drive is miserable enough in the daytime; do it at night and it becomes surreal.

I really hated it.

Hoosier posted 08-04-2010 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We'll be tourists, we've never been west of Newberry. Besides, it gives s a chance to get some Pecos Bill's jerky at Menards in Marquette ( 16 oz for 7.98)...
Hoosier posted 08-04-2010 09:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We'll be tourists, we've never been west of Newberry. Besides, it gives s a chance to get some Pecos Bill's jerky at Menards in Marquette ( 16 oz for 7.98)...
Hoosier posted 08-04-2010 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
WTF? How did this get posted twice?
Buckda posted 08-05-2010 08:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Harbor Haus is a pretty good restaurant in Copper Harbor, and a good place for dinner.
Buckda posted 08-05-2010 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Highway 28 isn't so bad. US2 is worse.

I've done both...both in daylight and in the dark of night.

Interesting note from an earlier trip to Isle Royale - on M-28 early morning in August, the temperature was 37 degrees. Brr.

MarthaB posted 08-05-2010 07:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Jilbert's Ice cream, a U.P Pure Michigan product.
Hal Watkins posted 08-06-2010 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
We will be joining the group in a new (to us) 205 Eastport. It has the 150 HP Optimax engine. I nice upgrade for cruising from the 2006 170 Montauk. I am sad to see the Montauk go but I suddenly have 3 whalers and the bride sez 2 have to go. We are excited be joining this august group in such a beautiful setting.
Hal, Waseca, MN
Buckda posted 08-06-2010 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hal! Congrats on the new boat, and a great one, at that!

Okay Kevin, you can obsess again about having the smallest boat, but at least it's ADEQUATE.

:)

[ADEQUATE is the name of Kevin's 180 Dauntless.]

Buckda posted 08-06-2010 10:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Ok -

I'm starting to put together some basic captain's information that I can share with the group so we can identify each other on the water, and on the radio.

I'm missing vessel names for the following:
30' Defiance owned by ECTR
23' Walkaround owned by 6992Whaler
205 Eastport owned by Hal

Also - please take a moment to E-MAIL me your cell phone number so we can be in touch with each other to inform of last minute delays, etc. on the road - and also of go/no-go decisions based on weather.

Note: I have AT&T service that does not provide a signal at Copper Harbor. I think there is VERIZON coverage there, however.
Thanks for your time!

Dave

Buckda posted 08-06-2010 05:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
We have 10 boats, 229 feet LOA and 20 people who have indicated that they will be on the island at some point during this week. That's quite a turnout if everyone shows up!

If you have a MMSI# for your VHF, please send it to me. I'll include it on my chart.

ChrisW posted 08-07-2010 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisW  Send Email to ChrisW     
David Hart and Kathy -

Jim and I would love to join you for dinner. Any other takers for the Harbour Haus Saturday night ?

Since I am just trying out my outdoor cooking skills this could be an important dinner! What are your best suggestions for cooler packing and keeping meat COLD?

Hoosier posted 08-07-2010 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We're OK for dinner Saturday night (as long as the transmission doesn't go out). I think we'll be at Copper Harbor in the late afternoon. Our route will be MI-48 to MI-129 to MI-28 to US-41 to Copper Harbor. I'm hoping to leave our place in the UP by 10 AM.

What's been suggested, and it makes a lot of sense, is to have two coolers, one the "freezer" and one the "fridge". Move stuff once a day from the freezer to the fridge. With luck the freezer will become the fridge by the end of the trip and all the stuff staged through the fridge will have been consumed. We're going to try this, plus one, two, or three other coolers for "consumables"...

home Aside posted 08-08-2010 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Chris,
last time we did some pre-cooked meals, Chili, Sloppy Joes frozen in blocks/zip lock bags. I pre/par boiled some bratwurst in beer & onions and then froze them in the beer/onion juice, then thawed them & put em on the grill to brown them up. I marinated chicken breasts in italian dressing then froze them in the dressing, when they thawed they were ready for the grill. There are a lot of things you can do like this. soup, spaghetti sauce, stew...just freeze them solid before the trip.

I'm doing some meat balls this time around italian meatballs, simmered in a sauce of ketchup, BBQ Sauce, & vernors ginger ale, simmer them , then freeze em in the sauce, they'll be good on hoagie buns, on a plate with salad, or as snacks with cheese, crackers,

The trick is to plan a meal schedule for each day, try and open your freezer cooler only once a day in the A.M. when it's cooler out, to bring out the days food to be put in the other cooler for thawing & to keep it cold. Last trip we had no problems at all, I think near the end of the week I bought a couple of bags of ice to tide us over.

I also froze (solid) a case of bottled water for the trip, they went in the cooler, did double duty as ice and as water as they melted, then flattened out the bottles & put the caps back on so they took as little space as possible to keep the amount of garbage to a minimum.

Pat

home Aside posted 08-08-2010 10:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
and Yes, if I get there in time Saturday I'd like to do the Harbor Haus

I plan to leave Friday and get a couple of hundred miles out of the way & visit my parents, then leave there early Saturday for the remainder of the trip.

Pat

ChrisW posted 08-08-2010 01:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisW  Send Email to ChrisW     
Thanks guys & yum yum Pat! I bought a cheapie grill for the occasion and am wondering how many cans of propane to carry if we are just cooking at night?

....more newbie questions. I just spoke with the Copper Harbour dock and was told they only carry cube ice. Where do you buy your block ice? What is the situation on garbage, are there cans at all the docks or where?

Looking forward to our rendezvous.

Chris

home Aside posted 08-08-2010 07:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
A lot of places up north carry block ice, you can also clean & fill some gallon milk jugs & freeze them, then you have a block in a container & can use the melted water for washing dishes, cleaning, cooking, etc.

I'm not sure how long one of the small propane cannisters will last. There are charcoal grills at most of the camp sites & we discussed bringing the small Kingsford Matchlight charcoal bags with us for those.

Pat

Hoosier posted 08-08-2010 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
There may be dry ice available at larger towns enroute. I'm going to start looking, if I find a source I'll post it. If anyone already knows , please post it.
home Aside posted 08-09-2010 06:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Chris
I didn't address your garbage question, you take it with you. Last trip I got as large size zip lock bags as I could find. I rinsed soda bottles, any cans, water bottles (as previously stated) flattened them and put them in a ziplock bag, squeezed the air out to keep the package as compact as possible, had another zip lock for paper goods, like tissue, paper towels, etc, it cuts down on garbage smell. I believe we also burned a minimal amount(within reason) of used paper goods to start camp fires.

I carry a plastic rectangular bin with lid containing some tupperware plates, bowls, cups, a few settings of metal silverware, spatula, serving spoon, tongs, small frying pan & cooking pot in it. I use them for breakfast, dinner etc, I use the storage bin as a wash tub for doing dishes. On the Island Grey water has to be dumped at least 100 yards from shoreline. By using regular dishes etc to eat, it cuts down on the amount of garbage. Paper plates, cups, etc equal Garbage that has to be carried out. If I remember correctly, I think we were able to drop garbage in a dumpster at Rock Harbor dock. There are no trash bins at docks or campsites....


Pat

home Aside posted 08-09-2010 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
What's the Wilderness Creed? "Take nothing from it, leave only footprints"
Buckda posted 08-09-2010 08:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Pack it in, pack it out. I plan to go to Grand Portage at some point to add fuel, so I'll be dumping garbage there. Generally though, you should plan to take it all out with you. There is a dumpster at Copper Harbor that can be used when you return.

Dry Ice is available in lower Michigan at Meijer's newer stores.

I'm planning on 12 hours on the road, and leaving at 6 AM on Saturday. I expect to be up in Copper Harbor around 6 PM, or sooner. If I do get there at that time, I'll be at Harbor Haus for dinner.

I made reservations at Copper Harbor State Dock for Saturday night. They have a nice online registration system...you should try it.

David Pendleton posted 08-09-2010 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
You can buy dry ice at Lawrys Pasty Shop. Really.

There are two locations, Marquette and Ishpemming.

http://www.lawryspasties.com/

Buckda posted 08-09-2010 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
To be a successful business person AND a yooper requires the adaptive ability to run more than one business model all at once. One year, business #1 will succeed and #2 will lose money, and the next year #1 will lose money and #2 will turn a profit.

If you're really good, you add #3 and #4, plus side lines of business (like dry ice with your pasties) to make it all happen.

The UP is a strange, wonderful place.

Buckda posted 08-10-2010 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
If you haven't already done so, I recommend purchasing and reading Bonnie Dahl's "Superior Way" Cruising Guide. It provides some excellent information on outfitting your boat for Lake Superior Cruising, anchoring, etc. It has excellent information.

I have the 3rd Edition, but it appears there is a new one available:
http://www.lakesuperior.com/catalog/swiv.html

home Aside posted 08-10-2010 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Hope for conditions like those we had in 2007 for the trip over to IRNP...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v368/HomeAside/?action=view& current=IsleRoyale2007007.jpg


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v368/HomeAside/ Isle%20Royale%20One%202007/?action=view¤t=DSCN1089.jpg

Pat


Buckda posted 08-11-2010 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Just a travel alert. Be advised that the Houghton County Fair in Hancock, MI is from August 26-29. It may make navigating the narrow streets with your rig a little more interesting with all the people in town.

Dave

K Albus posted 08-11-2010 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
A few questions:

1. Dave Buckalew - I noticed a slight change from the initial itinerary you posted to the later itinerary you posted. On the morning of Sunday, August 29, when you leave Copper Harbor, will you be landing at Rock Harbor and stopping at the Visitor Center, or will you be heading directly to the Edisen Fishery/Rock Harbor Light House from Copper Harbor? Is an initial stop at the Rock Harbor Visitor Center required, recommended, or totally unnecessary if I obtain my permits online before arriving at the island?

2. Everybody Else - Has anybody registered with a different itinerary than the Group A Itinerary posted above by Dave B? If so, could you please post the details?

Buckda posted 08-11-2010 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
If you have registered with the NPS, there is absolutely no regulatory reason you need to stop at the visitor center. If you have forgotten certain provisions (if you wish to buy ice at Copper Harbor, please plan to stop at a gas station on the way up - with just a couple of boats, we've twice bought the last bag/block and/or been left wanting at the Copper Harbor dock), you can stop there if you like. It is also a good place to get souvenirs, but I recommend stopping later in the week.

My plan is NOT to stop at the visitor Center, but will spend enough time at Edisen Fishery and the Rock Harbor light for those who wish to do so to catch up. This is all, of course, weather dependent.

Hoosier posted 08-12-2010 08:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We plan on registering at the Houghton Visitor Center. It's only a block north of US-41. During August their Saturday hours are only 2-4 PM.
Hoosier posted 08-12-2010 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Correction: I just talked to the Houghton Visitor Center and they will be open 11-4:30 on the 28th.
David Pendleton posted 08-12-2010 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I have put together a KMZ file for Google Earth featuring places and other observations around the island for you to explore.

I chose to use Google Earth rather than Google Maps because you can toggle the layers, and Google Earth runs faster for me. There is some excellent, recent imagery of the island available now and you should be able to explore this KMZ down to around 1200' in high-resolution.

There are nine layers in the KMZ:

Anchorages
Selected anchorages from Bonnie Dahl's Lake Superior Way 3rd edition (June 1, 2001; ISBN-13: 978-0942235494) are depicted.

Campgrounds
All Campgrounds on the island are depicted. Some locations are approximate, particularly backcountry sites.

Chart Anomalies
This layer depicts features not charted on NOAA 14976. Some are a little obscure and off the beaten path, but considering other obscure features that are charted, I consider them discrepancies. Some are a bit more serious, e.g. the giant submerged rock at the end of Moskey Basin is not charted. This isn't intended to be all inclusive; only a few of the things I could find.

Docks
Most docks around the island are depicted. Fishermans Home Cove and Wright Island are not included because I don't know the status of these docks. Private docks belonging to life-lease holders are not depicted.

Geographic Names
Geographic names not available in Google Earth are depicted. This includes, but is not limited to, lake names, bays, coves and reefs. For best results, make sure you have the "Borders and Labels" layer selected under the standard Google Earth layers.

Lighthouses
Self-explanatory.

Points of Interest
Fire towers and other points of interest are depicted.

Ranger Stations
Self-explanatory.

[b]Shipwrecks
Various shipwrecks around the island are depicted. The wreck of the America is particularly spooky.

The KMZ file is available here: http://members.tcq.net/~davepen/isro/isro.kmz

Please let me know if you have any questions.

David Pendleton posted 08-12-2010 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
My apologies, I got my sites mixed up...

http://members.tcq.net/davepen/isro/isro.kmz

Buckda posted 08-12-2010 05:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Awesome. Thanks Dave!
Hoosier posted 08-12-2010 07:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
HiRes is right, check out the Caribou Island Campground. You can see two people at their canoe. Looks like there's a nice dock.
David Pendleton posted 08-12-2010 07:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That'd be a kayak there, flatlander...

:)

Hoosier posted 08-12-2010 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I've been looking at Isle Royale using Dave's KMZ file and now I have a couple of questions. When you say Rock Harbor do you mean the NPS HQ on Mott Island, or the Visitor Center near the Rock Harbor Lodge? Should I set the point labeled as Middle Islands Passage as my arrival waypoint?
David Pendleton posted 08-12-2010 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The Park Headquarters at Mott Island is kind-of off limits, even though it isn't.

The visitor centers are at Windigo and Rock Harbor. That's all you need to worry about.

Plotman posted 08-13-2010 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Warmest water temp in the 30+ years they have been keeping records.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/176226/

A map with current temps for the crossing and detail around the island. http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/superior/s2.html
http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/superior/s21.html

AZdave posted 08-13-2010 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for AZdave  Send Email to AZdave     
For those of you leaving from the north shore, I noticed that the "Little Store" on the north side of Highway 63 in Two Harbors is selling 91 octane with no ethanol.
David Pendleton posted 08-13-2010 12:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
quote:
Warmest water temp in the 30+ years they have been keeping records.

Everybody panic!

I'm okay with this.

Hoosier posted 08-13-2010 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Speculation, but with Lake Superior being so warm what does that portend for snowfall this winter? Lake Effect is caused by warm air rising from the lake and hitting cold air aloft. Seems to me the folks in the UP ought to make sure their snow removal equipment is tuned up.
Buckda posted 08-13-2010 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Dave -

That question is making our local weather blog buzz here in West Michigan.

Most of the professionals say not to get too excited. If we have a cool fall, there is plenty of time for that water to cool down ahead of winter.

But if we have a warm fall and the temps stay up and then a very cold start to winter, we're gonna get some "significant snow events".

I would expect that the Keweenau County Road Commission can handle it. Be sure to stop at the roadside park north of Hancock that show's how much snow they got in the '70's

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/files/meteo361/image/Section3/ snowthermometer_sm0205.jpg

Hoosier posted 08-13-2010 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
The Chippewa County Road Commission has plenty of experience:

"Sixty-two inches of snow fell in one five-day snowstorm, including 28 inches in 24 hours, in December 1995."


David Pendleton posted 08-13-2010 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
It has been really hot here lately, so one of the local radio stations conjured up some global warming bedwetter from the U of M to comment on why.

One of her comments was "...Lake Superior is currently as warm as it has ever been..."

Um, okay.

Buckda posted 08-13-2010 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well, you know, the voyageurs took very accurate records...they had so much time on their hands.
Buckda posted 08-13-2010 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Travel Advisory:

The Mackinaw City Corvette Show is scheduled for the 28th as well. Be prepared for a slight delay before you reach the bridge, and plan to top off your fuel tanks before the expensive gas in the UP at Gaylord or perhaps Indian River rather than Mackinaw City.

http://www.michigan.org/Things-to-Do/Events/Detail. aspx?ContentId=0dbcb4c8-b8f0-4fdc-a920-997422e597ea&city=G3213&tab=city& sort=asc&page=3&NRC=Facebook&NRX=406

David Pendleton posted 08-13-2010 05:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I just called the park headquarters (in Houghton) to inquire about Three Mile and Moskey Basin. Three mile is still closed, and Moskey is still partially closed.

I've updated my Isle Royale Google Earth KMZ file. I moved a few things around and included a bunch more places.

It's available at:

http://members.tcq.net/davepen/isro/isro.kmz

Enjoy.

K Albus posted 08-14-2010 12:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Two weeks 'till take-off!

I washed my boat today - it was dirty from my Drummond Island trip last week. When I finished, I left the boat in the driveway and put up the canvas. I'm hoping for some rain to come along and help with sealing up the stitching on my enclosure. I started it out with an artificial rainfall from the hose.

On my trip to Drummond Island, I lost the bow cushion from my boat. The cushion is held in place by a couple of snaps and a strap that secures the cushion to the anchor ring in the anchor locker. I've been towing my boat for almost nine years with the cushion in place, and never had any hint of it blowing out of the boat. When I arrived at Drummond Island last week, the strap was still connected to the anchor ring, but the cushion was gone. I placed calls to a number of replacement sources, but was unable to find anybody that could assure me that the cushion would be delivered by August 27. I ended up ordering a replacement through my local Boston Whaler. The lead time was anywhere from 2 to 10 weeks. I sure hope it gets here before I leave.

I went to REI earlier this week and bought the last of the camping supplies I need for the trip. I also booked my slip for Saturday night at Copper Harbor. All I have left to do now is book my docks/anchorages at Isle Royale, shop for groceries, pack, and get on the road.

Plotman posted 08-14-2010 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
AZ Dave-

All 91 octane gas sold in MN in Ethanol free. Has been for as long as I can remember. Labeled somewhere on the pump for off road use only.

home Aside posted 08-14-2010 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
just finished Registering On-Line...getting ready to go

Pat

Hoosier posted 08-15-2010 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Does anyone have updated info regarding the fuel situation at Isle Royale?
Hal Watkins posted 08-15-2010 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
I contacted the IRNP office last week and there has been no change in fuel prices in IR...$5.38 gal till further notice.
Hal, Waseca, MN
David Pendleton posted 08-15-2010 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I just spent an hour putting the floor in my Zodiac. Cripes, what a PITA.
Buckda posted 08-15-2010 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
David, that's why I never roll mine up anymore. Such a pain. I store it in the basement fully inflated.
Plotman posted 08-15-2010 11:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
We usually don't have the first one of these for another week or so.

quote:
LAKE SUPERIOR FROM SAXON HARBOR WI TO UPPER ENTRANCE TO PORTAGE
CANAL MI 5NM OFF SHORE TO THE US/CANADIAN BORDER INCLUDING ISLE
ROYALE NATIONAL PARK-
922 PM EDT SUN AUG 15 2010
...GALE WARNING IN EFFECT THROUGH MONDAY EVENING...
.REST OF TONIGHT...WEST GALES TO 40 KNOTS. A SLIGHT CHANCE OF
SHOWERS. WAVES 9 TO 12 FEET BUILDING TO 10 TO 14 FEET.
.MONDAY...WEST GALES TO 35 KNOTS. A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS
THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON. WAVES SUBSIDING TO 9 TO 12 FEET.

4 inches of rain in under two hours Friday night, and now this. Summer seems to be rapidly departing...

Still beautiful, just different.

home Aside posted 08-15-2010 11:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Yikes!!!
David Pendleton posted 08-16-2010 12:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I've been following the island weather also.

It's anybody's guess what it will be like in two weeks, but we will have to be prepared for anything, including turning around and driving home.

David Pendleton posted 08-16-2010 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Or getting stuck on the island...
dfmcintyre posted 08-16-2010 04:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
For a week...
Buckda posted 08-16-2010 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well, there is a lot of cold air bottled north of 80*N Latitude, but my bet is that this is just a break from the heat we've had in late July and Early August, and a return to 'seasonal' temperatures.

I'm actually glad this is happening today - this week, rather than next. Hopefully, we have time for the system and forecast to stabilize for our arrival.

We'll have to watch closely.

Buckda posted 08-16-2010 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
This is going to sound like a silly request, but when you arrive at Copper Harbor, can you please be sure to back into your slip - stern first?

I have a feeling that we're going to have a great photo opportunity.

:)

K Albus posted 08-16-2010 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Another silly request . . . assuming we have good weather for the crossing, is anybody interested in trying to find (and mark) some 1000-foot deep water? It looks like we can do so without going too far out our way. There appears to be some 1000-foot water just north of the Ferry Route marked on Chart 14968, near the right edge of the chart. See: http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/14968.shtml

Approximate position: N 47 degrees, 57 minutes; W 88 degrees, 07 minutes.

dfmcintyre posted 08-16-2010 12:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Dave, et al. -

If you are looking for a digital graphic sort of forecast check out this interactive weblink:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/greatlakes/?c=map&l=gl&p=a

You can bring up different screens based on what you want to query. Cool...

Further regarding the back-in request:

Have you ever anchored stern to a slight breeze to eliminate the "chunk...chunk...chunk" of the little waves catching in the sponson area of the hull? I was ready to try it during our last night up at Club Island. The wind finally died.....about 4AM.

D

Hoosier posted 08-16-2010 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Hmmm...Looks like the waves are only 4-6 if going from Grand Portage to Windigo...
home Aside posted 08-16-2010 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Gale Warnings 10:30AM this morning...
Buckda posted 08-16-2010 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Guys.

We have TWO Weeks. It could be snowing, it could be sweltering.

David Pendleton posted 08-16-2010 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I vote for snow.
K Albus posted 08-16-2010 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Do we have a back-up plan in case the weather forecast is horrible for the whole week? I vote for Nags Head/the Outer Banks. Not much longer of a drive for me.
Buckda posted 08-16-2010 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
There are several possible alternatives - some more attractive to the MN contingent than others.

The Apostle Islands are definitely sheltered enough to do some boating, as would be N. Green Bay/Escanaba, etc. There is also the St. Mary's River system on down from the Sault to Drummond Island and/or the Les Cheneaux Islands. All would offer sheltered/lee shore boating. We could also spend the week in Georgian bay protected by the barrier Islands or McGregor Bay in the North Channel.

I still say we sit tight and keep this talk of alternate destinations in check until we have a reasonably accurate forecast in our hands.

...like, next week on Tuesday.

David Pendleton posted 08-16-2010 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I agree. A lot can change in 7-10 days.
David Pendleton posted 08-16-2010 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I've just updated my Isle Royale Google Earth KMZ file to include the NDBC weather stations at the Passage Island and Rock of Ages lighthouses, and the two open lake data bouys on either side of the Keeweenaw.

These will give you real-time (more or less) observations from within Google Earth.

Check it out at:

http://members.tcq.net/davepen/isro/isro.kmz

K Albus posted 08-16-2010 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
My comment about the back-up plan was intended to be a little tongue-in-cheek, but only a little. I'm sure the weather will be just fine for our scheduled week. Larry Goltz already said he would never plan such a trip for this time of year. Based on my experience with Larry's warnings, this virtually assures that we'll have calm water for both crossings.

Since my canvas is just a couple of rainstorms away from being watertight, I'm sure that the only bad weather we'll experience will be a couple of all-night rainstorms. There's almost no chance that it will rain during the day when my sleeping gear is safely packed away in dry bags.

Buckda posted 08-16-2010 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well, one thing is nearly certain.

This wind will have likely blown all the warm water 'off' the island to be replaced with cold water.

I bet you see water temperatures drop in the next few days as that warm surface water gets mixed up in these waves.

MarthaB posted 08-16-2010 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Yesterday afternoon, checked the Lake Superior Weather buoy just east of Isle Royale, wave height 11.5 ft. That kind of wave is made for surfing. wouldn't want to be in the trough looking up at it. I wonder what the ride would be on a 1000 footer?
Hoosier posted 08-16-2010 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Don't count on the St.Mary's as being "sheltered", it runs, more or less. NW to SE, so a really sloppy chop can set in with virtually no notice. On the other hand, it's only a 15 mile drive for me to the Detour ramp...
K Albus posted 08-17-2010 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I just made my online registration request. I requested the following itinerary, which for each night is basically one location off from Dave Buckalew's "Group A" itinerary posted above:

Sunday 08/29/10 - Daisy Farm
Monday 08/30/10 - Siskiwit Bay
Tuesday 08/31/10 - Beaver Island
Wednesday 09/01/10 - Birch Island
Thursday 09/02/10 - Duncan Narrows
Friday 09/03/10 - Merritt Lane
Saturday 09/04/10 - Chippewa Harbor

David Pendleton posted 08-18-2010 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
High waves keep Isle Royale Queen IV on island

http://www.mininggazette.com/page/content.detail/id/506784.html?nav=5006

Hal Watkins posted 08-18-2010 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
We finally splashed the new to us 205 Eastport last evening. All systems checked out.
My bride was quizzing me last nite as to the number of women that were going to be participating in this gathering of Whalers?
We still have not agreed on a name for the Eastport.
Hal, Waseca, MN
David Pendleton posted 08-18-2010 11:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
A friend sent me the link above thinking it was a new article, it isn't.

Dang it, I need to read things more closely.

Hal, it sounds like there will be at least three other women on this trip.

Hal Watkins posted 08-18-2010 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
David...looking at the dates on that article, that was last year. We went in right after that wind and had 5 wonderful days. See you on the island.
Hal, waseca, Mn
K Albus posted 08-18-2010 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Dave Pendleton, that story is from September 2009. Not that it couldn't be happening again this week.
Buckda posted 08-18-2010 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The forecast for Sunday (one week before our scheduled departure) is for calm to two foot waves. This was an early, unseasonable blow.

Hal -

Glad to hear your boat checked out!

Expect an e-mail next week with some useful information.


Dave

David Pendleton posted 08-18-2010 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Yes, I know it's an old article. I already said that...
K Albus posted 08-18-2010 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Sorry, Dave. I got interrupted between the time I typed my message and the time I hit "Submit Reply". Your message about the date of the article was not up when I typed my reply. Anyway, like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if one or more the boats servicing the island was pinned in right now.
home Aside posted 08-19-2010 05:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
After experiencing a few issues with my radio & Nav lights loosing power intermitently on the Sturgeon Bay crossing, and not being/feeling completely confident of my electrical skills & time to do it properly myself. I took the Revenge to Lockeman's today & had the Birds Nest under the helm exterminated and the helm rewired with a new fuse block (relocated to a new more accessible place), circuit breaker, some new switches, etc.

Doug Zammit did a great job, very professional, neatly lad out system. everything labeled, extra fuses, lots of extra space for future additions, etc

Relieves some concerns I was having about the Isle Royal trip. So now it's time to start cooking, packing, planning in earnest.....

Pat

jimh posted 08-21-2010 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I got up at 5:30 a.m. this morning in order to meet The Canvas King for some repairs to my windshield canvas at 7 a.m. at his shop--Bruce is an early starter. He fixed the loose seams in the windshield canvas. This was the last item on the boat check list of things that must get fixed before departing for Isle Royale.

Plotman posted 08-22-2010 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I'm sitting at our beach looking out onto the lake as I type - Rock of Ages is about 90 miles north-east.

Right now the water is glass calm, a welcome change after the unsettled weather of the past week.

We were fishing past outer island yesterday, and I commented to myself that Isle Royale is just over 2 hours away...

How I wish I could swing the trip, though its not as if I can complain, since I've spent a good 70 nights on the Island this season.

home Aside posted 08-22-2010 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Cuddy Bunk filler board complete, let the ice making, packing & cooking begin. If all goes well I'll leave thursday evening, 200 miles to Lewiston,Mi overnight at my parents & then on to the U.P. Friday for a leisurely drive to Copper Harbor......

Pat

dfmcintyre posted 08-22-2010 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pat -

You using dry ice at all?

D

home Aside posted 08-22-2010 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
No plans to at this time, but not out of the question, I may overnight in Marquette Friday night where I could buy some Dry Ice at the Pastie shop.

I'll make the 3.5 hr drive to my parents home in Lewiston, Mi hopefully Thursday night, I'll put all my frozen food & large ice containers (gallon jugs) in my parents chest freezer over night, and then back into the cooler in the A.M. for the remainder of the trip,

I did the same thing on the 2007 trip, on the 4th or 5th day I still had frozen water bottles & some cubes , I bought another block and a bag of cubed at Rock Harbor Store and was good for the rest of the trip.

Luckily we have a commercial Ice Machine at work & as long as there are no official functions going on they allow us to take as much as we want (came in very handy for my son's graduation party). I plan on covering everything in my coolers to the brim.

I try to keep the coolers shaded and usually only open them once a day in the early morning when I move drinks & food for the day to my small day cooler, works well & my food for the evening meal is usually thawed by then for grilling. I've pre-cooked meatballs in BBQ sauce, Brats in beer & onions...they're actually cooling right now & will go in the freezer shortly. I also have frozen chicken breasts in marinade. I will be picking up a nice NY Strip to freeze for the trip tomorrow. I plan on picking up a few potatoes, bananas, fruit & veggies, bread & rolls at the latest possible time before departure, probably In Houghton or Copper Harbor.

Pat

home Aside posted 08-22-2010 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Re: Dry Ice.
I was wondering about possible safety issues regarding Dry Ice, part of my ice management efforts was to keep my coolers in the rear of my Yukon XL probably with the rear A/C unit going while enroute. I don't think that would be a prudent thing to do with dry ice on board, while underway on the boat I would have the coolers in the cockpit area and possibly under enclosed canvas depending on the weather...

I'm wondering if it might be more trouble than it's worth. Here's a Q & A article regarding questions about keeping dry ice in the onboard ice box on a sail boat

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance-articles/ 20024-using-dry-ice.html

Pat

Buckda posted 08-23-2010 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Forecast is looking decent, although I seem to be getting conflicted forecasts.

This one http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=47.97521412341618&lon=-88. 41796875&site=mqt&smap=1&unit=0&lg=en&FcstType=marine calls for a high pressure system to build later this week and be in control over the late end of the week into this weekend. Forecast waves for Friday are less than 1 foot.

Buckda posted 08-23-2010 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
...and then there is this, drastically different forecast, from the same agency.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/product.php?site=mqt&product=glf&issuedby=ls

Which to believe?

Plotman posted 08-23-2010 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Last week I checked a forecast about 4pm, and for the next day it called for 5-10kts and calm-2 foot seas. 2 hours later, they were calling for 15-25, and said a small craft advisory was going into effect. At 5 am, they canceled the small craft advisory.

The bottom line is that while weather is pretty reliably good on Lake Superior from early July through mid August, late August tends to be what they call "unsettled".

We know that kayaks need to be up in the trees this time of year when you leave for a few days, not just high on the beach where they would be fine in mid-summer.

I know that in the years we have had our beach house (which faces NE, and has a 100 mile fetch), there are always a couple of big blows in late August. You almost always get good periods of calm between them, and there are often great boating days through September.

Buckda posted 08-23-2010 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Schizophrenic. That's how I'd describe the current reports. Environment Canada has a different forecast (to 6 ft. waves, lower wind). NOAA / NWS have two different forecasts - one calling for 4-7 ft. seas, and the other calling for calm conditions with waves less than 2 feet.

That's for Friday. We travel on Sunday. The good news is the trend at the end of the week for all forecast is calming rather than building...

Hoosier posted 08-24-2010 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
http://www.accuweather.com/us/mn/grand%2Dportage/55605/forecast-details.asp?fday=11

Couldn't a "Passing Shower" at 34 degrees be kinda white?

We're packing some Long Johns, just in case... ;-)

Hoosier posted 08-25-2010 07:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
This is looking a whole lot better

[url]http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=USMN0308[/url}

home Aside posted 08-25-2010 12:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=USMN0308
Buckda posted 08-25-2010 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I can handle pretty much whatever the temperature and humidity want to do (cold, wet, dry, warm...whatever). As a boater, I'm more concerned with wind and waves.

Right now, we appear to have a window to cross on Sunday morning: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/product.php?site=mqt&product=glf&issuedby=ls

home Aside posted 08-25-2010 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'm pretty sure I had a Chart of Lake Superior / Isle Royale....do you think I can Find it? @#%^&**(

Pat

dfmcintyre posted 08-25-2010 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pat -

If your still considering dry ice, Meijer has it in stock (at least here in PH)

Have fun and safe trip.

Wolf

fno posted 08-26-2010 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
I'm impressed by the logistics you guys are dealing with. In Florida we have to worry about lightning,ice, and beer. Good luck with the trip and keep us Southerners posted on how things pan out...
Buckda posted 08-26-2010 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
.SATURDAY NIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 20 KNOTS INCREASING TO
15 TO 25 KNOTS AFTER MIDNIGHT. WAVES SUBSIDING TO 1 TO 3 FEET...
THEN BUILDING TO 3 TO 5 FEET.
.SUNDAY...SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 25 KNOTS VEERING SOUTHWEST. WAVES
SUBSIDING TO 1 TO 3 FEET...THEN BUILDING TO 3 TO 5 FEET.
.MONDAY...SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 25 KNOTS BACKING SOUTH. WAVES
SUBSIDING TO CALM TO 2 FEET...THEN BUILDING TO 1 TO 3 FEET.


Looks like there are going to be some confused seas and strong South/Southwest winds. I'm thinking very early Sunday morning is our best bet, right after the wind veers to the South but before it continues to the Southwest and ramps it up again. Our primary direction of travel will be North/Northwest - so a Southeast/South wind is good....with a Southwest wind less good. 1-3's would be good although on top of cross waves at 3' and calming, mean I don't particularly want to do that without daylight - even if it's very early morning daylight.

K Albus posted 08-26-2010 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I'm still in, and I agree with Dave that it looks like sometime Sunday morning will be the best time to cross. But it looks like there's a very good chance this will be a slow, lumpy crossing, at least for me and my 18-foot boat (6-7 hours at displacement speed). From my perspective, a southwest wind would be the best. One-to-three foot rolling waves on the beam will be a lot more comfortable than the same waves coming on the aft quarter or a following sea.
Buckda posted 08-26-2010 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I think we'll need to run in a staggered line - biggest boats in front to punch holes in the waves for the smaller boats.

With 15-20 Kt winds, it will also be wet. Bring your rain gear.

David Pendleton posted 08-26-2010 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Monday doesn't look too bad, so there's that option too.

The Copper Harbor group was delayed a day on the '05 trip and that didn't seem to detract from the overall trip.

jimh posted 08-26-2010 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am now on a first-name basis with all the guys at the local tire shop. I may stop in for one more purchase before leaving.
home Aside posted 08-26-2010 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'm tired just from preparing and packing...I need to get out of here so I can rest!!!
6992WHALER posted 08-26-2010 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Good luck on the crossing on Sunday.

I hope to find you all in good shape on Tuesday.

John

PeteB88 posted 08-26-2010 06:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Man, I wish I were going w/ you guys - the Lake Mich crossing did it to me. Once you catch the bug you gots to go! I was ready w/ a friend but no chance because of schedule and family members in the hospital last two weeks w/ sketchy prognosis. Price you pay w/ big family and lots of friends.

Jimh: Somebody lay a Satellite phone or uplink on JimH or Buckalew for these things - now that would be the cool thing! Blog, live shots and more. Maybe we ought to pitch in and buy the gear and make it available to cruises like this.

Best to you guys!! Have fun. Be safe.

MarthaB posted 08-26-2010 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Safe crossing....have fun.....take lots of pictures. Wish we were going. we are headed to Tahquamonen Falls State Park (Rivermouth) Friday thru Monday. Then next Friday we will trailer BW1 to Mullett Lake for Labor Day Weekend.
ECTR posted 08-26-2010 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECTR  Send Email to ECTR     
I have had a change in my plans.

Due to wide load restrictions in MI I have to be out of the state and back on WI highways by noon on friday the 3rd. MI does not allow wide load travel after noon on the Friday before a holiday weekend. In light of this we plan on crossing tomorrow and heading to Rock Harbor and vicinity for 2 days. we can meet the group at Chippewa Harbor or other suitable location on Sunday and cruise through Thursday. We will have to return to Copper Harbor Thursday afternoon.

Sorry we will not be able to help punch holes on the crossing.

Craig

Plotman posted 08-27-2010 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
ECTR - you could also launch in Bayfield.
ECTR posted 08-27-2010 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for ECTR  Send Email to ECTR     
Long drive, arrived Copper Harbor 10:30 AM. Just got a signal 3 miles off copper harbor, great day 1 foot waves, sunny. Saturday waves up to 8', sat night 2' to 4'. See everyone Sunday or Monday.

Craig

Buckda posted 08-27-2010 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Right now, we're planning Sunday afternoon - wave forecast to calm to 2 footers before kicking to 3-5's overnight.

Well see you out there!

TonkaSkipper posted 09-03-2010 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for TonkaSkipper  Send Email to TonkaSkipper     
I hope these boys found a nice protected anchorage today. 17' Superior waves in a 17' Montauk or 18'Dauntless would be scary...good hiking day on IR!

Gale Warning in effect through late tonight
Today
Northwest gales to 35 knots becoming north gales to 45 knots by mid afternoon. Showers likely through early afternoon...then a chance of showers by mid afternoon. Waves building to 12 to 17 feet.
Tonight
North gales to 40 knots becoming northwest gales to 35 knots after midnight. A chance of showers. Waves subsiding to 9 to 12 feet.

K Albus posted 09-03-2010 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I'm the guy with the Dauntless 180. I left the island on Wednesday due to the forecast. At that time, the smallest boat left in the group Pat Henahan's 22-foot Revenge Walk-Through.
prj posted 09-03-2010 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Great to have you back and intact, Kevin. We all look forward to your tales of good times and high seas.

P.

K Albus posted 09-03-2010 02:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Since I came back early, I'll wait and let Dave Buckalew or Jim H post a report of the full trip, and then I'll add my comments and pictures. Having the smallest boat by far on the trip, I'm sure my perspective will vary from that of the others.
Plotman posted 09-03-2010 02:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Like I said, late August is iffy on this lake. The latest now upgrading to "Storm force gusts." For those of you who have never experienced storm waves on the great lakes, the wave period in seconds is often very close to the wave height in feet. Steep, square waves.

However, the group ought to be snug on the south-east side of the island, probably holed up somewhere like Chippewa harbor, which will have great all around protection.

It looks like they will have timed it pretty well for a crossing back on Sunday.

K Albus posted 09-03-2010 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
When I left the group on Wednesday morning, they were in Windigo and they were planning to continue their clockwise circumnavigation of the island. It was my understanding that they were headed for McCargoe Cove for Wednesday night. After that, who knows?
PeteB88 posted 09-03-2010 11:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
"The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'Gitche Gumee'..."
David Pendleton posted 09-04-2010 12:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Pete, shut up for once, will you?
PeteB88 posted 09-04-2010 05:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
"Shut up for once..."? Why would you run that junk on me? You having a bad night? You got something to say to me you can call me up or come on over but keep your rude, nasty comments off this forum. I don't play personal attacks and don't do it ever again.
Hoosier posted 09-04-2010 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Tampico, please call me.
Plotman posted 09-04-2010 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Well, McCargoe is as snug as it can be - it's a long, narrow finger of a bay with reefs across the entrance. No better place in a storm.
David Pendleton posted 09-04-2010 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I'm sure they're fine. They knew the forecast and were probably going to hide in Duncan Bay.

Now, let's all join in a chorus of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Pete, you start.

Hoosier posted 09-05-2010 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We just heard from Dave, they're back at Copper Harbor and getting ready to head home.
MarthaB posted 09-05-2010 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Hoosier, did you go to isle royale?
Hoosier posted 09-05-2010 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
No, we had a "little accident" getting ready on Friday and our boat now has only half a motor...
MarthaB posted 09-05-2010 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Darn ... What's ok, the top half or bottom?
Hoosier posted 09-05-2010 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Top. Bottom is somewhere in the St. Mary's River...
PeteB88 posted 09-05-2010 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
David, I cited the first line of the song to which you referred to describe Lake Superior NOT to imply anything about wrecks. Many of the people on that crossing are friends who I respect and have had good times with. There is no chorus in the lyrics of the song. There is however, a chord chorus.

Don't be a hater.

PeteB88 posted 09-05-2010 11:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Hoosier - Sorry to hear about your incident. What are you going to do?
home Aside posted 09-06-2010 03:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Home 0330 Hours 9/6/10. More to follow
Hoosier posted 09-06-2010 07:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Pete, At this point I don't know whether to rebuild or replace. I'm still a little rattled, sort of like after hitting a deer.
Plotman posted 09-06-2010 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Man, did you guys thread the needle finding the weather window for your crossing back yesterday. I'm watching it kick up as I enjoy the sunrise this morning.

They are calling for east gales to 35 kts, with seas building to 10-14. Summer is over.

6992WHALER posted 09-06-2010 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
We got off the lake yesterday.
Lower unit failure 1 mile from ramp.
Truck dropped the left front wheel in Tofte MN.

If things happen in Threes???

Update when we know more

David Pendleton posted 09-06-2010 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Sorry to hear that John.

I was pretty aprehensive on my return run since I was completely alone out there.

Thankfully, everything worked as it should--except my plans.

Buckda posted 09-06-2010 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Sorry to hear, John. I had a port engine shut down 1 mike from the Copper Harbor buoy. Cause currently unknown but was exciting in the 5 ft remnant swell with 3 ft cross chop and stiff West wind. We were on the road by 3:30 and home at 3 am.

I believe Hal and Margaret are still on the island.

Trip report to follow. I'm sorting through almost 7GB of photo files.

Highlights:
Fuel prices lowered more than a dollar
Met Bonnie Dahl
Saw and photographed all Isle Royale lighthouses
Moose and calf at McCargoe
Weathered a big storm in comfort and style. And warmth!
Saw Whaler used as the school bus in the Gentle Ben production
Thor the wonder mechanic
Rolf Petersen and the moose head garden
Stuffed with all you can eat last nite buffet at Chippewa Harbor.

jimh posted 09-06-2010 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
You guys drive faster than me. We made it home at 4:40 a.m. with no problems to report, other than two very tired people. Slept in until 11 a.m.

We had to stop at every rest area to stay awake, and we were down to about 45-MPH the last 50-miles. I was too tired to go faster.

Sounds like the good Karma was nearing the end of its cycle!

The trip was wonderful. I will tell my story in a trip narrative to be published later.

home Aside posted 09-06-2010 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
John & Jack, sorry to hear about your boat/truck problems, hope everything works out.

It was a pleasure meeting John, Jack, Craig, Bill, Hal, & Margaret. and boating with friends. Was sorry to see Kevin & Dave Pendleton leave early, but respect the decisions they made (I was almost with them and during the storm though I may have made the wrong decision to stay), but everything came out OK

Got to see how the 1985 Revenge 22 WT & canvas handled some pretty nasty weather. The boat ran fine & we made it home unscathed

Got to circumnavigate the Island, see some new places, meet new friends, see moose almost nose to nose while on the way to the privy.

Bonny Dahl & her sailboat, Rolf Petersen & his Wolf/Moose research facility

When the weather was great, it was great, when it was bad, it was bad...

Oh yea, Ate & Drank really well!

More later

Pat

jimh posted 09-06-2010 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The weather was really quite nice. We had an average temperature of 70-degrees: we had four days of 90-degree weather and four days of 50-degree weather.
home Aside posted 09-06-2010 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Here is a slideshow of my photo's from the trip, enjoy...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v368/HomeAside/Isle%20Royale%202010/ ?albumview=slideshow

Pat

Hal Watkins posted 09-07-2010 08:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
We departed Windigo at 5PM and arrived safely back at Grand Portage at sunset on Sunday. We had a Grady White shadow us most of the way. We stayed the night at Grand Portage Lodge. The long, Hot shower and king size bed sure beat driving all night.
This was our second trip to IRNP. It was a memorable trip again, especially in meeting all the CW members. Considering this was the shakedown cruise of our new to us Eastport...things went very well. The canvas set was a lifesaver...and the experience of the other CW members made the perils very manageable. It was fun listening to Margaret on the cell phone tell our daughter about the trip and weather. She had a great time as well and said to say hello to all the CW folks.
Hal and Margaret, Waseca, MN

PS, Dave Pendelton, good to see you at Grand Portage as well.

David Pendleton posted 09-07-2010 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Hal, it was nice to see you, Margaret and the new boat.

Thanks for the help with my haul-out.

jimh posted 09-07-2010 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am closing the "planning" thread. Now that the trip is over, a new thread can be used for reports. Thanks.

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