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K Albus posted 05-12-2012 03:30 PM ET (US)   Profile for K Albus   Send Email to K Albus  
I thought I would start a new thread for this trip so we could begin discussing some of the details without wading through all of the preliminary discussions in the previous thread.

It appears that we have eight to ten boats interested in joining the cruise. It also appears that we’ve agreed on a departure date of Sunday, August 5, 2012 (at 10:00 a.m. sharp), from Detour, Michigan. I suspect that most will plan to arrive in Detour on Saturday, August 4. That is my plan at the present time.

Jim H. has suggested a nice itinerary for the trip, but I think there are some items which warrant further discussion. For ease of reference, here’s Jim’s proposed itinerary:

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Among those places which we might consider are the following (below in geographic order Eastward from Detour and counter clockwise):

Pilot Cove is is an interesting lunch stop with a very narrow and shallow entrance from Sitgreaves Bay on the Northeast cape of Drummond Island. Because it is in Michigan, anyone with a Michigan fishing license could try to catch a few of the 10,000 perch that live there.

Meldrum Bay is on the North shore of Manitoulin at the West end. I think it is a port of entry for customs. They have improved the docks there They have bathrooms and fuel. It is just a short hop from Detour. It would be a good first night stop. As I mentioned in my GB 2010 cruise narrative, I think having a group cook-out on the first night is a good plan. Meldrum would be a good place for it because there is not much else available for dining. There is or was a hotel there, but I don't know if its dining room is still operating.

Clapperton Island Passage is a tricky buoyed channel south of Clapperton Island. I have not been through it in 25 years. . . . Harbour Island on the South side of Clapperton is a good lunch stop.

Little Current is the next overnight destination. It has everything--ice, food, fuel, charts, showers, bars, and it is fun place to stop. There are a lot of other boats to look at here. It is a 58-mile (or longer) run from Meldum to here. Next, we continue East.

Pot Hole Portage or some similar backwater cove in McGregor Bay would be a good overnight anchorage away from marina facilities. We can take all day getting in there and two hours getting out the next day. Remember--it is important to share resources when anchoring out away from the marina. Not every boat has full facilities...

Now we head back to the West, along the North shore of the North Channel. We go through Little Current again (and stop to get more fuel if needed), turn up the Wabuno Channel, turn West into the McBean Channel, and look for a lunch stop.

Hotham Island, Fox Island, Otter Island are all possible stops.

Spanish or Spragge could be overnight destinations. I have never been to either. One of them just spent a fortune remodeling their marina. Dave Hart has been there. The next day we continue West.

Long Point Cove is a popular anchorage. There used to be good perch fishing there, but the Cormorants have probably ended that. Could stop for lunch here, or in Bear Drop Harbour or Clara and Turnbull Islands.

Blind River and Thessalon are possible overnight marina destinations. Blind River has a nice marina and a good restaurant right there. I have driven by Thessalon a million times but never arrived by boat. It must have a marina and a restaurant. Or, we cook out, again. If we want a remote anchorage, we can try one of the many island, maybe even Mississagi Island, which I have never even seen. It looks like you could find shelter on its lee side.

From here the ways back to Detour are many. We can decide on a route as we go along, influenced by the wind and weather, and the time remaining. How does that sound?


My questions and comments are as follow:

1. Is Pilot Cove big enough for 8 to 10 boats to raft up for lunch? If not, is there an alternate lunch spot nearby in U.S. waters?

2. In Little Current, is there a preferred marina for our overnight stay? I’ve only been to the municipal marina downtown, which was nice. I noticed that in years past, Spider Bay Marina seemed to be the preferred marina.

3. Regarding the choice between Spanish and Spragge, it appears that Spanish has a nice, recently-updated municipal marina with over 125 slips. The only marina at Spragge, on the other hand, appears to be the private North Channel Yacht Club, which only has 20 slips. Can anybody provide some more insight about these marinas and which of the two would make a better overnight stop?

4. Jim’s itinerary only includes 5 days of boating, with a return to Detour on the sixth morning. Assuming we have no weather delays, that means we would be returning to Detour on Friday. Assuming we have no weather delays, does anybody have any suggestions for an extra day being added to the itinerary?

5. How about an updated roll call? I'm in, but it looks like my wife is out for this one.

Hoosier posted 05-12-2012 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Kathy and I are in.

Last year we stayed at the Municipal Marina in Little Current and it was very convenient for the downtown area. Spider Bay is nice put can get very congested.

I vote for Spanish. It has ample marina facilities but what I don't know is how convenient it is for dining ashore. When we were there we didn't try to go into town.

An option for the "extra day" is to have a lunch/swim stop at either Mississagi Island or Thessalon Island and then overnight on St. Joseph Island at Hilton Beach. From their website:

"The Hilton Beach Marina is one of the largest and most modern ports on the North Channel. A high percentage of the 160 slips are for transient guests, and an 8 foot minimum depth is maintained at all slips.

Each boater is provided with a 30 amp or 20 amp electrical hookup, a potable water hookup, and 24-hour access to the modern marina building. This facility provides shower, washroom and laundry facilities, daily weather reports, telephone access and wireless Internet access, all included with dockage."

It would be a good launch point for the return to Detour, about 35 miles south. The return from Hilton Beach could go NW around the top of St. Joseph Island and then down the St. Mary's River to Detour. That'd be about 43 miles for those with NEXUS Cards and 60 miles for those who have to clear US Customs at Drummond Island Yacht Haven before turning to Detour.

Once we have a reliable count we ought to plan ahead and make marina reservations.

dfmcintyre posted 05-12-2012 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Couple of observations:

It's about a one mile walk from the harbor to what you might call downtown Spanish...

Pilot Cove is big enough to handle the brood...

I'd opt for the downtown at Little Current. Easier walk back from the Anchor Inn. On the flip side is I'd be more sober from the walk if at Spider. One thought is are there decent showers downtown? Spiders are (were) nice.

One nice aspect of heading back down I75 on a Friday is that you'll not encounter traffic....it's all heading north. Then have Saturday to clean and Sunday to relax, and prep yourself for the incoming VISA bills.

Don

K Albus posted 05-12-2012 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The showers at the downtown marina in Little Current were clean and modern.

Looking at Google maps and the Lakeland Boating Ports o' Call guidebook for Lake Huron, it looks like there is nothing even resembling a town near Spragge. There's also no indication of any store or restaurant in the area.

home Aside posted 05-14-2012 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Here's a photo from North Channel Yacht Club, from our 2008 trip. It shows a little bit of the dock area.

It is small, kind of Spartan, has power & water, and a club house for members. We came in there at the last minute when a storm front blew in on our was back to Blind River. There are bathrooms & showers. The management was very accomodating, they allowed us to use their gas grill and the clubhouse kitchen to prepare our dinner, as long as we cleaned up and left it as we found it. The caretaker/harbormaster also drove us 10 miles to the nearest store & back on his own dime.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v368/HomeAside/North%20Channel%2008/ ?action=view¤t=DSCN2163.jpg

I'm hoping to make this trip, but won't know if I can get the time off for a while yet.

Pat

Hal Watkins posted 05-15-2012 11:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Margaret and I have this on our schedule. We will likely be in the UP several days before and after as well. Has anyone boarded a dog in the Detour area before?

Hal and Margaret Watkins
205 Eastport, 150 Optimax

leapin lunker posted 05-16-2012 06:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for leapin lunker  Send Email to leapin lunker     
Donna and I will try and join up along the way as we have the Chris Craft Commander Rendezvous at Kean's over your departure weekend. Like in 08, we will drive to Rogers City and run across to meet up.
djahncke posted 05-17-2012 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Elsa and I are planning on this trip. We just got the Revenge in the water this week for the first time. Now we are working at shaking the bugs out.
6992WHALER posted 05-21-2012 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
The HOLLY MARIE and crew will be there.
Hoosier posted 05-21-2012 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Hal,
We'll be UP North this weekend and will see what is available for dog boarding in the Detour area. Do you require a formal boarding facility, or will a neighbor who is willing OK?
David Pendleton posted 05-25-2012 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
quote:
Remember--it is important to share resources when anchoring out away from the marina. Not every boat has full facilities...

I was puzzled by this when I originally read it (although I suspect I know exactly what Jim is referring to), but I'm curious about what this means...

6992WHALER posted 05-25-2012 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Hay Dave, it means make sure if you have a head on your boat to bring extra toilet paper along.
K Albus posted 06-22-2012 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Last year we had some confusion about which VHF channels were open for use by recreational vessels in Canada. This link takes you to a chart of the official frequency restrictions: http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01011.html#sched1 (Here's a link to a PDF copy of an official document containing the same chart: http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/vwapj/rbr2e.pdf/$FILE/rbr2e.pdf ).

After reviewing the chart, I am left with the impression that Channels 68, 69, 71, 73, and 87 are available for Non-Commercial (i.e., pleasure craft) use on the Great Lakes. What do you think?

Hoosier posted 06-22-2012 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Unlike in the US, in Canada Channel 68 is the hailing channel for boat to shore communications, like to marinas. 16 is really for emergencies. There is a channel out of Little Current (I don't know the number) that provides a "Boaters Info Net", they broadcast North Channel weather and provide a contact service, e.g, "Continuous Wave, Invictus is trying to contact you". This might be useful if we have boats that want to link up during a cruise.
6992WHALER posted 06-24-2012 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
My VHF radio has a Canda setting. The radio identifies the type of channel it is. I will try it out one of these days and see if it agrees with the chart.
home Aside posted 06-25-2012 06:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Bad News and Good News!!!

Bad News...getting transferred to afternoon shift August 1st!!!

Good News...I'm going from lowest seniority on the day shift, with only 2 weekends off since January, to third highest in seniority on the afternoon shift...which means I can take my choice of prime furloughs, leave days, and holidays and I will get them!!! stay tuned I may be able to make this trip.....

Pat

6992WHALER posted 06-25-2012 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
It would be great to see you Pat
David Pendleton posted 06-27-2012 01:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
We will not be making this trip.
Hoosier posted 07-03-2012 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Damn,

Dave, we were looking forward to seeing you.

We just did a mini-cruise in the Western North Channel and all I can say is it's the best Gunk Holeing area that's close ( 10 miles) to US waters. Gas at the gas station at Detour was 3.49 on Friday. Thessalon, about 30 miles from Detour, has a very nice marina that has modern facilities, one restaurant a block from the marina, and it was totally empty on Monday of Canada's Independence Day weekend. It's a CBSA check-in station so we had to go in on our way to one of the islands for an overnight.

David Pendleton posted 07-03-2012 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Sorry Dave. We were sorry to have missed you when you were in town for a wedding.

I won't say it's 100%, but the boat/trailer hasn't been used for two years now.

I still haven't had the boat home because of trailer repairs. I hope to have it home on 7/5.

If everything works out this week, the likelihood of us making this trip increases quite a bit.

I'm still watching, and we're still hoping.

I only hope Tampico isn't too angry with me after letting her sit for so long...

K Albus posted 07-04-2012 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Only a month to go. I finally got around to testing the Magma grill that my wife bought me for Christmas. Beef Tenderloin marinated in Lea & Perrins Worcestershire Sauce and seasoned with McCormick GrillMates Spicy Montreal Steak Seasoning: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/Miscellaneous/TestSteak. jpg
jimh posted 07-04-2012 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin--Please bring that grill on the trip. I will leave mine at home.
Hoosier posted 07-10-2012 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
When are you participants in this adventure planning on showing up at Detour? I ask because the Detour Salmon Derby starts on August 4th and ends on the 10th. That will mean that the two local ramps will be "congested" and the river will be crowded, by UP standards. Most anglers are local and I don't expect the privately owned long term parking area to be full.

Since it's been a while since we did a Roll Call, who's still planning on coming?

djahncke posted 07-10-2012 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Elsa and I are still planning on coming. We currently plan to arrive mid to late afternoon on Saturday.

-Don

K Albus posted 07-10-2012 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I'm planning to arrive in Detour between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. on August 4.

Dave, what are the chances of you swinging by the marina and checking on the number of slips that are currently available for August 4? The online reservation system charges an $8.00 "reservation fee." I don't see any point in making a reservation and paying that fee if the marina is not close to full occupancy.

Hoosier posted 07-10-2012 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We were UP North over the 4th of July Weekend and had the chance to go over to Thessalon, Ontario, twice. On Friday there were four transient boats there, on Monday, of the Canada Day Weekend, we were the only transient boat. The Detour Marina also was virtually empty. FYI: the sport shop in Detour has all the Canadian charts for the North Channel. We'll be back UP North next week so post any questions you have and I'll try to get them answered.
6992WHALER posted 07-10-2012 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
We will be there
John
jimh posted 07-14-2012 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
With the coincidence of the Salmon Fishing Tournament and our planned rallying of boats at Detour on August 4, I have looked at alternative starting points.

ROGERS CITY
There is a nice marina at Rogers City, and I suspect a launch ramp and parking lot for trailers. The distance to Meldrum Bay is only 56-miles, but there is the matter of running across Lake Huron's open water for about 36-miles. This would require rather moderate winds and waves to make the passage comfortable for a small boat.

This compares with the 48-mile passage to Meldrum from Detour, which keeps us in more sheltered water and never more than a mile or so from the coast.

Rogers City is also not on any major highway, and the road travel to get there will be more indirect than Detour.

ST IGNACE
There is also the option to start from St. Ignace. There is a nice ramp there and a good marina. It is 44-miles to Detour from St. Ignace by the most direct route, and longer if you wander over to the Les Cheneaux Islands. This could be an option for someone coming from the West who wanted to get a chance to do some boating in the Straits of Mackinaw area as part of their trip. It is generally easy to go East from Mackinaw, but coming back to Mackinaw from Detour could be a rough ride if there was a big Westerly blowing.

jimh posted 07-14-2012 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re PILOT COVE on the NE of Drummond Island: here is a picture taken in 2009 of a sailboat at anchor there;

http://www.glcclub.com/files/styles/gallery_full/public/images/71150119. JPG

If that sailboat could enter in 2009, I am sure we could enter with our Boston Whaler boats with outboard engines. The image also gives a sense of the size. I suggest it as a lunch stop.

jimh posted 07-14-2012 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Another option for boats starting at Detour that do not prefer the harbor life: leave Detour and proceed about seven or eight miles to Harbor Island in Potagannissing Bay. There is a wonderful natural harbor there which makes a perfect overnight anchorage. A boat staying there on Saturday night would be in radio range of the rest of the fleet in Detour.
Hoosier posted 07-15-2012 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I'll be UP North this week and will look into alternate parking areas other than Passage Boat Works. Harbor Island is a FWR and they do not allow overnight anchoring within the "Harbor". An alternative would be the Mi State Park at Lime Island. Note that the Michigan Recreation Passport is not required.

http://www.michigandnr.com/parksandtrails/details.aspx?id=695&type=SPRK

Also, on our recent trips to Thessalon I was able to get a cell connection to AT&T in Michigan (depending on which way I was facing...)

Kevin/Jim: are you going to compile a roster with cell and MMSI numbers?

Hoosier posted 07-15-2012 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Correction: You can anchor overnight at Harbor Island.
dfmcintyre posted 07-15-2012 04:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Kevin / Jim
Some minor points from Gail and I:

- We'll be leaving from PH in the Roving Kind. Long story that I will tell upon meeting up with the group. Weather permitting, I'm hoping for a first overnight at Little Current. A few days around the Benjamin Island group. End destination is Mac City and leave the boat there for a week. Again, long story.

- My ctx: 810-650-3663
- Gails ctx: 810-650-0382

No MMSI number associated with R/K

Is there a channel that we can all agree on to monitor?.

Mac 'n Gail

K Albus posted 07-15-2012 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I don't think that the Detour Salmon Derby will pose any problems for those wishing to meet in and depart from Detour. It is a week-long "tournament" with fish being weighed-in a couple of times a day throughout the entire week. It is unlikely that you will see anything like a typical bass fishing tournament with a hundred boats converging on the ramp all at once. From what I was able to find on the internet, there are usually only approximately 30 boats entered in the tournament, most of them being local boats.

Regarding MMSIs and cell phone numbers, send me an email with your information, and I'll start putting together a list. If possible, include name of captain, name of all passengers, name of vessel, vessel make/model/length, MMSI number, and any cell phone numbers you'd like to share.

David Pendleton posted 07-15-2012 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
We had the boat out this weekend for the first time in 22 months. All systems worked perfectly. The techs at the marina told me that when they "summerized" the boat back in June, it started on their first try. It ran great this weekend even on two year-old (stabilized) gas.

I didn't re-read the whole thread to find the dates of this trip, what are they again?

DI Yacht Haven posted 07-16-2012 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for DI Yacht Haven  Send Email to DI Yacht Haven     
Good Morning All!

In response to your question:
1. Is Pilot Cove big enough for 8 to 10 boats to raft up for lunch? If not, is there an alternate lunch spot nearby in U.S. waters?

NO! Pilot Cove - the inner most cove, is not big enough to accommodate 8 - 10 boats. The anchorage may sound large and beautiful in the books you read. In reality the cove has a very narrow, shallow opening and is not very large. If the weather permits you can anchor in the larger Sitgreaves Bay and individually motor into the inner cove, giving everyone an opportunity to experience it's true beauty.

Our first recommendation would be an anchorage at Harbor Island. Harbor Island is a 695 acre National Wildlife Refuge located approximately one mile north of Yacht Haven in Potagannissing Bay. The two sheltered bays are used by boaters for fishing and as an overnight anchorage. The larger of the two is the preferred - depths average 6 to 12 feet.

Looking forward to meeting your group as you pass by our way! If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to ask - we are here to help. As a Whaler dealer since the early 1960's we can also help with any mechanical issues or parts needs before you head up into the North Channel.

U.S. Customs is located at our docks - see you on your return to the States if not before.

Cheers!

jimh posted 07-18-2012 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I found a recent photograph of the docks at Meldrum Bay, taken in the summer of 2010.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qYlHxi7g52k/TTvJF9ItLaI/AAAAAAAAAs4/ KfajHEPH32Q/s1600/piers2.jpg

As the image (linked above) shows, the docks are open to the Northeast. They are floating docks and are secured to the crib piers at the end. The winter ice has given the crib piers quite a beating. As marina docks go, these are in the "rustic" category. In a situation with a North or East wind, Meldrum Bay can be a difficult anchorage.

jimh posted 07-19-2012 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It has been mentioned that a possible side trip could be made to Sault Ste. Marie. I notice the same weekend we are starting the cruise there is a boating event in Sault Ste. Marie called the Sault Ships Sailabration. For details see


http://www.saultstemarie.com/ sault-ships--sailabration-schedule-of-events-320/

Buckda posted 07-19-2012 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Those docks at Meldrum Bay look *r o u g h*.

I hope you guys have a great time and good weather - sounds like a great trip, and I wish I could join you this year.

Dave

djahncke posted 07-20-2012 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
I just looked on Active Captain and they report that the Marina at Meldrum Bay is/has undergone renovation. I was scheduled to be completed in 2011, but there are no reviews in 2012 to confirm that the docks were indeed rebuilt.

I was able to reach The Inn at Meldrum Bay and confirmed that they are indeed open for business this year.

-Don

K Albus posted 07-20-2012 06:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Regarding Meldrum Bay, I think Don's on the right track. Here's a link to a blog page which shows a new breakwater that was reportedly built in 2010, along with a photo of the docks shown in Jim's picture which indicates that the old docks are being removed: http://querreyquest.blogspot.com/2010/08/ 8282010-meldrum-bay-into-usa-and-on-to.html

Here's a picture from another blog which appears to show one of the new docks at Meldrum Bay Marina: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d2yqpsaTgjk/UAl0GVHl4iI/AAAAAAAAAI0/ K0i4-gmFIzc/s1600/IMGP1377.JPG Link to the full blog page: http://www.boatinglakemichigan.com/2012/07/ day-3-relaxing-in-meldrum-bay.html

6992WHALER posted 07-20-2012 11:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
My new Garmin Data card for the Great Lakes including Canada, arrived today. I just opened it up on my Garmin Home Port Software. I have the small craft rout and all the local buoys. That will be a nice addition to the navigation this year.

David Pendleton posted 07-21-2012 12:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Dates, again?
K Albus posted 07-21-2012 02:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
August 4 through August 11.
David Pendleton posted 07-22-2012 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
We're out. Have fun.
jimh posted 07-22-2012 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re Meldrum Bay as the first day destination: if conditions are good for making Easting, we could bypass Meldrum and go directly to Gore Bay, which is only 36-miles further. This should be only about 1.5-hours of running time at cruise.

Gore Bay has a very nice (but very popular) marina, and you can ride out a blow there in comfort. I suggest this as another option.

If the waves are very favorable, we could go all the way to Clapperton Island and anchor out in Clapperton Harbor. Or go to Kagawong. Or even run another hour to Little Current. We can work out these options at the time based on a meeting of Captains, and, of course, based on the weather.

It is possible to go West against head seas on the North Shore of the North Channel until you get to the West end of the Whalesback Channel. From there to the West the route is open water, so you will want to plan to make that leg in light wind and waves. My preference is to avoid having to make way upwind in big seas. If I have to wait a day, or if I have to go early in the day, I prefer that to having to push upwind late in the day against big waves.

Hoosier posted 07-23-2012 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Re Jimh's thoughts about the first day, last year we went from LC to Detour in a straight shot, pretty much following the route Jim's described. It's easily doable if the weather cooperates. Last year we left LC right after the group headed for Tobomory and were in Detour by 4 PM. It's a trophy, but isn't much fun to blow through the NC that fast.

Making Meldrum Bay the first overnight is fine but it's too short a run from Detour. Remember we cannot legally anchor for lunch at a Canadian anchorage without clearing Canadian CBSA first. Thessalon is a checkin port and is about 30 miles from Detour. That'd make it a good lunch stop where we can check in, walk through town (about a block and a half), and have lunch. There are several nice island anchorages in the NC between Thessalon and Meldrum Bay. We were headed to Bigsby Island when we had what I thought was a bad starter. East of Bigsby are the Grant Islands, popular cruising anchorages. We could easily spend half a day cruising around them and still make Meldrum Bay our first overnight.

We were in Meldrum Bay back in 2009 when we did our solo circumnavigation of the NC. Back then it was a couple of steps below "rustic", but, based on the pictures and narratives Kevin posted it looks like things have been greatly improved.

We too would like to know how to plan for anchoring out.

K Albus posted 07-23-2012 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I'm in favor of getting as far east as possible on the first day. The farther east we get on the first day, the better our chances of hitting not only McGregor Bay, but also Baie Fine and possibly Collins Inlet.
Hoosier posted 07-25-2012 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Sounds like you want to do some version of this. This was our 2009 NC Trip the week after Labor Day.

Day 1 Detour to Gore bay, check-in at Meldrum Bay enroute.
Day 2 Gore Bay to Killarney, via the Clapperton Channel, side trip to Baie Fine.
Day 3 Killarney to Collins Inlet to Beaverstone Bay and back to Killarney
Day 4 Killarney to Spanish via Bay of Islands
Day 5 Spanish to Detour

We bypassed LC both ways and covered a lot of water.
McGregor Bay can easily be added to what we did since we have an extra day, or two. I also vote for a stop/overnight at Kagawong. Bridal Veil Falls would be a treat for all the first-timers.

K Albus posted 07-25-2012 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I tweaked David's itinerary a little and came up with this:

- Day 1 Detour to Gore Bay or Kagawong, check-in at Meldrum Bay en route. Eat lunch at Meldrum Bay while others check in. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night near Harbour Island on the south side of Claperton Island.

- Day 2 Gore Bay/Kagawong to Killarney, via the Clapperton Channel, side trip to Baie Fine. Eat lunch somewhere in Baie Fine. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night somewhere in Baie Fine or in Covered Portage Cove (which is much closer to Killarney).

- Day 3 Killarney to Collins Inlet to Beaverstone Bay and back to Killarney. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night at Mill Lake or in Covered Portage Cove.

- Day 4 Killarney to McGregor Bay.

- Day 5 McGregor Bay to Spanish. Lunch somewhere in between. Plenty of spots to anchor out near Spanish.

- Day 6 Spanish to Detour. Lunch at East Grant Island.

The proposed distances traveled on some of these days may be a bit long. Any takers?

K Albus posted 07-25-2012 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Approximate mileages:

- Day 1 85-100 miles
- Day 2 50-65 miles
- Day 3 40 miles
- Day 4 35 miles
- Day 5 60 miles
- Day 6 85 miles

Total - approximately 375 miles

K Albus posted 07-25-2012 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The 6-day itinerary assumes we leave Detour on Sunday. Day 6 would Friday. Day 6 could be split into two shorter legs, with a return to Detour on Saturday morning.
dfmcintyre posted 07-25-2012 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Weather permitting, we'll be leaving from Port Huron 8/3 and plan on overnight somewhere past Tobemory; Club Island to Little Current. From there we're pretty open. The big push will occur on the first day. We cruise about 18kts.

Mac 'n Gail

Hoosier posted 07-25-2012 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Day 1: Detour to Kagawong. Meldrum Bay is about 45 miles from Detour and Kagawong is about 45 miles from Meldrum Bay. This allows a leisurely lunch stop at Meldrum Bay, or a side excursion into Bayfield Sound.

Day3: Snug Harbor on the Lansdowne Channel is also close to Killarney if Covered Portage Cove is too crowded.

Day 6: I vote for going to Thessalon from East Grant and overnighting there. Kathy and I might do this option because the bar/restaurant there has a $12 all-you-can-eat buffet on Friday night that has a large variety of choices. It's not just a fish fry. Beer is $4 for 20 oz on tap. The place is cash only so they don't have to pay the credit card fees.

Customs at DIYH closes at 6 PM.

K Albus posted 07-25-2012 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Adjusted to reflects David's further comments:

- Day 1 - Sunday - Detour to Kagawong, check-in at Meldrum Bay en route. Eat lunch at Meldrum Bay while others check in. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night near Harbour Island on the south side of Claperton Island.

- Day 2 - Monday - Kagawong to Killarney, via the Clapperton Channel, side trip to Baie Fine. Eat lunch somewhere in Baie Fine. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night somewhere in Snug Harbor or Covered Portage Cove.

- Day 3 - Tuesday - Killarney to Collins Inlet to Beaverstone Bay and back to Killarney. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night at Mill Lake, Snug Harbor, or Covered Portage Cove.

- Day 4 - Wednesday - Killarney to McGregor Bay.

- Day 5 - Thursday - McGregor Bay to Spanish. Lunch somewhere in between. Plenty of spots to anchor out near Spanish.

- Day 6 - Friday - Spanish to Thessalon. Lunch at East Grant Island.

- Day 7 - Saturday - Thessalon to Drummond Island (for customs check-in), and then to Detour.

Looks good to me. If weather forces us to shorten the trip, we can cut out some of the stuff near Killarney.

dfmcintyre posted 07-25-2012 09:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Kev -

Think you can redo the excellent pdf to incorporate the itinerary and a agreed upon channel to monitor? It looks like we may be crossing paths Sunday for a day or so.

We're planning on:

Little Current
Benjamin Island group (including Fox / Porcupine)
Harbor Island / Kagawong
Tobemory
Undecided to run into the old Northernaire Lodge site. We spent 18 summers there, and I'm curious about what's happened to the place, aside from it's now closed. Good shallow water, protected anchorage though. Quite a way in from the North Channel though.
Meldrum we can pass
Drummond Island for customs
Hessel
Mackinac Island
Mackinac City to finish and store boat for two weeks.

Don

K Albus posted 07-25-2012 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Don - I'd love to update the PDF with a proposed itinerary and a selected VHF channel for monitoring, but I don't think there's been any agreement on those two items yet.

I hope we can do more than just cross paths with you and Gail this time.

Hoosier posted 07-26-2012 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
I just got off the phone with the Kagawong marina manager and he recommended overnighting at Gore Bay. He can't handle a flotilla of six boats AND there is no sit down restaurant in town. He can deal with a group dropping by for a few hours to go see Bridal Veil Falls.
K Albus posted 07-26-2012 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Updated proposed itinerary:

Day 1 - Sunday - Detour to Gore Bay, check-in at Meldrum Bay en route. Eat lunch at Meldrum Bay while others check in. Those wishing to anchor out can spend the night near Harbour Island on the south side of Claperton Island.

Day 2 - Monday - Gore Bay to Killarney, via the Clapperton Channel, side trip to Baie Fine. Eat lunch somewhere in Baie Fine. Snug Harbor and Covered Portage Cove nearby for anchoring out.

Day 3 - Tuesday - Killarney to Collins Inlet to Beaverstone Bay and back to Killarney. Snug Harbor and Covered Portage Cove nearby for anchoring out. Mill Lake also a possible spot for lunch or anchoring overnight.

Day 4 - Wednesday - Killarney to McGregor Bay.

Day 5 - Thursday - McGregor Bay to Spanish. Lunch somewhere in between. Plenty of spots to anchor out near Spanish.

Day 6 - Friday - Spanish to Thessalon. Lunch at East Grant Island.

Day 7 - Saturday - Thessalon to Drummond Island (for customs check-in), and then to Detour.

Does anybody other than Dave have any comments?

6992WHALER posted 07-26-2012 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I am waiting for my great lakes cruising guide to get here so I can catch up with the conversation.

You know us we would prefer to spend more nights (and meals) on the water and less in a marina. But a couple nights in and dinner out is just fine. (We have to eat at the Red School Bus) Don't forget our grill and stove are available for anyone to cook on.

The last trip we pushed hard to see a lot of the area, this trip I would like to get some time to do some exploring by dingy and hiking.

I do not need to be back super early on Saturday, I would rather not lose that day of the trip. I would have no problem getting in around 5:00 or 6:00pm and loading and hitting the road.

I would also be OK with getting in early on Sunday morning and pulling and hitting the road. I don't want to make a one day drive into two. I would rather be on the boat.

It would be fine with me to clear customs on Saturday and find some place in MI to explore Saturday night and be in striking distance of Detour for a morning hall out.

As you know the weather will have to be considered when it comes to what we actually do.

jimh posted 07-28-2012 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Here are the distances in Kevin's proposed itinerary:

First, for comparison, last year's cruise:
2011 GB Trip
Day 1 = 245-miles highway
Day 2 = 68-miles
Day 3 = 59-miles
Day 4 = 70-miles
Day 5 = 55-miles
Day 6 = 65-miles
Day 7 = 15-miles
Day 8 = 55-miles, then 245-miles highway

TOTAL = 370-miles, 490-miles highway


2012 NC Trip

Day 0

Travel by highway to Detour.

Day 1
Detour to Meldrum Bay = 48-miles
Meldrum Bay to Gore Bay = 37-miles
Meldrum Bay to Clapperton Island Harbour = 46-miles
TOTAL
Detour to Gore Bay = 85-miles
Detour to Clapperton = 94-miles
This seems like a bit of a long run for the first day underway

Day 2
Gore Bay to THE POOL = 55-miles
THE POOL to Kilarney = 24-miles
TOTAL = 79-miles

Day 3
Killarney to Beaverstone Bay and return = 44-miles

Day 4
Killarney to McGregor Bay = 26-miles

Day 5
McGregor Bay to Spanish = 75-miles

Day 6
Spanish to Thessalon = 46-miles

Day 7
Thessalon to Drummond Island = 22-miles

TOTAL TRIP = 377-miles

The overall distance for this trip is similar to last years. Baie Fine is a great area. I would really like to hike ashore there. We could visit the elevated lake near THE POOL, or we could climb CASSON PEAK in MARRIANNE BAY.

McGregor Bay has good remote anchorages.

I would be willing to skip the segment on Day 3 where we visit Collins Inlet and Beaverstone Bay. I think almost everyone has been there before.

The Bustard Islands and Croker Island are good spots for overnight anchoring. This would break up the long run proposed on Day 5 from McGregor Bay to Spanish.

I again caution that making Westing in the North Channel in a small boat is very much dependent on the wind and waves. If a strong West wind is blowing it will be very difficult to make 75-miles of upwind travel as proposed in one day. I think the destinations for the last two days must be very dynamic, and we may have to change plans to suit the weather.

Fuel will be likely to be less expensive in Little Current than any other destination in the Eastern part of the cruise. Plan to buy fuel when passing through Little Current, probably in each direction.

If no one wants to stay at Meldrum Bay, we could just bypass it completely and go directly to Gore Bay. I believe Gore Bay is a Customs Service Port of Entry--can someone check that for me?

Going directly to Gore Bay would allow for a faster trip and shave off 8 to 10-miles. After entry at Gore Bay, those wanting a remote anchorage could go on to Clapperton Island Harbour.

I really liked the notion of having an all-in cook out on the first night of the cruise, as we did last year at Killbear. We could repeat this at Gore Bay if there is interest. Fuel is also available at Gore Bay, and probably at a good price.

jimh posted 07-28-2012 10:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
By the way, the name Gore Bay comes from the meaning of "gore," a tapering or triangular piece. The shape of the bay gave Gore Bay its name.
Hoosier posted 07-28-2012 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Gore Bay is an official reporting location.
I recommend we go through Meldrum Bay to check-in and take a lunch break. Gore bay is a major hub and it could be tedious to check-in, especially on a Sunday afternoon. Meldrum Bay is much more mellow and it's not likely that there will be a line at the phone.
dfmcintyre posted 07-28-2012 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
MAJOR SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENT

After a couple of days of wrestling with some scheduling problems and a calendar, I really hate to say it, but it looks like Gail and I are going to have to pass up the trip this year.

Back in late June, my father passed away in his sleep. He was one week away from his 87th birthday. Had a great life and passed on his love for the water, and specifically these waters to both his sons and grand kids, and will be missed.

See the link below for further:

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thetimesherald/obituary. aspx?n=donald-a-mcintyre&pid=158163511&fhid=14810

He chose cremation, with half of his ashes buried at the family plot in Yale, Michigan and the other half spread up at Mackinac Island waters.

So now you know why we're running the Roving Kind up to Mackinac.... I'd rather we weren't, but that's life.

The scheduling problems started appearing when we realized it would be a push to get her ready by this coming weekend. And, the invited parties for the trip at the Mackinac Island end will not be arriving from downstate until Friday, 8/17 and spending four days up there.

Once we started looking at the time frame (I'd considered doing the first week with the group, leaving the boat at Mackinac City for a week, flying down then back up seven days later) it was getting complicated.

Sooooo, Right now it looks like Gail and I will be leaving a week later, and the first fuel stop will be Tobemory and overnight at Club Island. From there we'll be hitting Little Current, a few days in the Benj group, thence Evansville, Drummond Island, Hessel. There are reservations at Mac Island for that following weekend. Then returning over two or three days to Port Huron.

You all have fun, stay safe and hoist one for Dad.

See you in the fall, if we schedule a trip up in October.

Regards - Don & Gail.

K Albus posted 07-29-2012 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
My condolences, Don. It's too bad we won't be able to connect. Good luck on your voyage.
home Aside posted 07-29-2012 11:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Don,
My condolences to you, Gail, and your entire family.....Though I never met your Dad, his obituary confirms just what I know from being your acquaintance....a good Man has passed his fine attributes onto his Son.....God Bless your Dad, you, and your whole Family....

Pat

6992WHALER posted 07-30-2012 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Are we there yet?
Hoosier posted 07-30-2012 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
95 degrees here, I'm ready for some cool....
home Aside posted 08-01-2012 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I wish you all a fun and safe trip. I'd really like to be there, but I am getting ready to re-power the Revenge 22 WT. I will be using the funds needed for this trip toward the Re-Power.....Enjoy!

Pat

Hoosier posted 08-01-2012 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
To keep Larry happy it's going to be a Merc, right?...:-)
home Aside posted 08-01-2012 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Dave, Blasphemy.........you're not careful Dave Zammit won't let you visit the clubhouse anymore....

Pat

MarthaB posted 08-01-2012 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for MarthaB  Send Email to MarthaB     
Pat....is it white or dark blue?
Buckda posted 08-01-2012 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Congrats Pat...That thing is going to be a fuel-efficent, sweet machine when you take me to Alaska in it next summer..

:|

Hal Watkins posted 08-03-2012 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Fuel alert... BP in Cedarville must of heard we were coming. Gas up today. $4.09 for 87 octane!
home Aside posted 08-03-2012 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I was in the U.P. last weekend & two BP Stations I stopped at for gas were out!!!, No gas deliveries scheduled due to gas pipe line problems.....

Pat

Hal Watkins posted 08-03-2012 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
PS...De Tour Village same price...over $5 at the De Tour Marina. Hal
djahncke posted 08-03-2012 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
I am sure glad that I filled up the boat yesterday at exit 251 with ethanol free gas for $4.19.

Those of you heading up I-75 might want to check it out.


-Don

David Pendleton posted 08-03-2012 09:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
That's crazy; 87 octane is 3.59 here. Diesel is 3.79.
jimh posted 08-07-2012 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
First leg trip report:

Departed Detour Village approximately 10 a.m. in sunshine, but soon deteriorated to overcast. Small Craft Warnings up. Strong wind warning being issued. Forecast was for West or North West 15-knots increasing to 30-knots in afternoon.

Ran downwind for two hours. Got into a nice pocket of fair weather and sunshine. Waves started at three-footers and were building. Initially the ride was not too bad. We were making about 16 to 18-MPH and rolling through the waves without too much discomfort. The boat was dry and we did not have any spray on the windshield.

When abeam of Meldrum Bay, we slowed to try to raise the marina on the radio to see what conditions were like there--we did not want to sit in a marina all day with a one-foot surge. Couldn't raise the marina on the radio. About that time a set of three huge wave rolled through, probably eight to ten footers. The occurrence of really big waves was becoming more common. There were some gear problems on a couple of the boats. We decided 47-miles in these conditions was enough, and we diverted to Meldrum Bay.

On arrival at Meldrum Bay the marina was a mill pond and there was excellent shelter from the wind. You'd hardly know it was blowing in the main channel. We got ourselves arranged on one long dock. By late afternoon the wind at the dock had increased to 15-knots, and so much water was being pushed into the bay that there was a small surge coming into the harbor. We could only imagine how much the wind must have increased on the open water.

The only other boats to come into the marina that day after us were two big sailboats. One was a 65-foot racer with 10-foot draft, and they had a rough time. The other was a 50-foot cruiser and the husband and wife crew were extremely glad to have arrived. Everyone had some war stories.

Only boat to leave Meldrum Bay this day was a 70-footer, who left at 6 a.m. before the wind came up.

Buckda posted 08-07-2012 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Have fun guys!
K Albus posted 08-09-2012 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Attention all North Channel boaters: Be on the lookout for a red tailgate/picnic umbrella. Last seen near Gwynne Bay. Small reward offered for safe return.
jimh posted 08-12-2012 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The motto of this year's North Channel Cruise has to be

Multo ventos adventum

or more winds coming. This week's weather produced more wind than I can recall in any prior week of cruising in Northern Lake Huron. However, to our great fortune, with the exception of about two miles, our track was all downwind.

We left Detour Village, Michigan, on Sunday morning and headed East with a big Westerly blowing 20-knots and forecast to increase to 30-knots in the afternoon, which it did. The West wind continued through Tuesday, dropping to 15-knots and taking us through Little Current to our farthest Eastern points, Killarney, Ontario and Baie Fine.

On Wednesday the winds flipped to Easterly at ten knots, and we cruised West with more following seas, reaching the Spanish River. On Thursday the winds increased to Northeast 20-knots, and we had a pleasant run along the North shore of Lake Huron, making a long run of 65-miles to Thessalon and in the lee of the land for the most part.

On Friday the Northeast wind continued, but now we headed Southwest to Drummond Island over about 20-miles of open water. After clearing U.S. Immigrations and Customs, we moved 15 miles West to Lime Island, where we had a very calm evening in the excellent harbor there.

On Saturday we had a short ten mile run to Detour Village, again with following wind, waves, and now a following current. In all we put 312.7-miles of water under the keel, and about 310-miles of that was all downwind. This made for a very pleasant cruise. If not for the tail wind and following seas all week, we could have never survived the conditions. There were small craft warnings most days and strong wind warnings on at least four days.

The leg from Detour Village to Meldrum Bay produced the largest seas. As mariners know, wave height is a function of three factors: wind speed, wind duration, and fetch. When we departed Detour Village the wind speed was only 15 to 20-knots, it had only just begun to blow, and the fetch where we entered open water was only about ten miles. Two hours later the winds had increased, they'd been blowing for two more hours, and the fetch was now about 45 miles. The seas were building as we went East, and going past Meldrum Bay would have been a very bad decision. Wave height at that point was 6-foot and building.

All six boats came through the initial leg in fine shape. There were a couple of minor power distribution problems on two boats resulting from something getting jarred loose in the rough ride, but other than that no problems occurred.

When I got into the calm water of Meldrum Bay and got back on plane at 30-MPH, it suddenly occurred to me that I should have been wearing my life jacket. In retrospect, we all should have been wearing life jackets. I am not sure who was wearing one and who wasn't, but if there were a time to wear one, this was it.

Buckda posted 08-12-2012 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Eagerly waiting for the trip report....and photos!
dfmcintyre posted 08-12-2012 06:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Jim -

Sounds like you had a great trip. We're still stuck in Port Huron. Was due to leave yesterday am, but weather down here (strong west wind and waves 8'+ precluded the departure, until tomorrow AM.

Don

David Pendleton posted 08-12-2012 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Also looking forward to a trip report.
6992WHALER posted 08-12-2012 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
The Holly Marie is home. We ran 315 miles in the water and 1185 miles on the road. Great trip but windy.
Hal Watkins posted 08-13-2012 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Trip totals...
306 miles
83 gallons
3.68 MPG
Chiropractor bill...?

Hal and Maggie


Hal Watkins posted 08-13-2012 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Trip totals...
306 miles
83 gallons
3.68 MPG
Chiropractor bill...?

Hal and Maggie


K Albus posted 08-13-2012 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Just started working on the pictures. Here's a little teaser: A large yacht makes a high-speed pass of ContinuousWave near the Strawberry Island Lighthouse:

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveGetsPassed.jpg
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveGetsPassed2.jpg

David Pendleton posted 08-13-2012 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Man, what a jerk. I hope Jim gave him the appropriate "salute."

[Dave--Nope. I don't mess with super-rich people. They're dangerous. Like children with machine guns.--jimh]

djahncke posted 08-14-2012 12:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
While on the computer last night I came across this listing in Baie Finn

http://www.vladi-private-islands.de/en/objects/canada-east-central/ ontario/sale/okeechobee-lodge/

This would make a great BWGLCC Club House North. The only drawback is the required increase in dues.

-Don

Hoosier posted 08-14-2012 01:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Ah, but the dues increase is offset by the elimination of dockage fees for members.

Buckda posted 08-14-2012 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
You guys have a lot of 'splainin to do. Howsacome I can find VIDEO of your trip on Facebook before it's posted here on this forum?!!

6992WHALER posted 08-14-2012 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021690.html

Just for you Dave.

K Albus posted 08-15-2012 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Here's a small sampling of the pictures I took.

Link to slideshow: http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ?albumview=slideshow

Individual Pictures:

Holly Marie (John, Holly, and Emmarie) arriving at DeTour Harbor: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HollyMarieArrival.jpg

Continuous Wave (Jim and Chris) arriving at DeTour Harbor: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveArrival.jpg

Little Zephyr (Don and Elsa) arriving at DeTour Harbor: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrArrival.jpg

DeTour Harbor was far from deserted for the night: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ JimandChrisDeTourHarbor.jpg

The fleet docked at Meldrum Bay after a rough crossing: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ FleetAtMeldrumBay.jpg

Appetizers on the dock before dinner at the Meldrum Bay Inn: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ AppetizersOntheDockMeldrumBay.jpg

Holly Marie leaving Meldrum Bay the next day: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HollyMarieLeavingMeldrumBay.jpg

We stopped for lunch and a swim at Harbour Island, near Clapperton Island, on our way to Little Current: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LunchtimeSwimatHarbourIsland.jpg

We attempted to anchor near Bedford Island, but couldn’t get an anchor to hold. We then headed to Little Current for the night. http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveNearBedfordIsland.jpg

The ever-popular Strawberry Island Lighthouse photos:
Continuous Wave 1: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveGetsPassed.jpg
Continuous Wave 2: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveGetsPassed2.jpg
Little Zephyr: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrStrawberryIsland.jpg
Holly Marie: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HollyMarieStrawberryIsland.jpg
Walkabout: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ WalkaboutStrawberryIsland.jpg
Hal and Margaret: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HalandMargaretStrawberryIsland.jpg

We then headed to Baie Fine.
Continuous Wave: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveBaieFinn.jpg
Little Zephyr: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrBaieFinn.jpg
Hal and Margaret: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HalandMargaretBaieFinn.jpg

When we got to The Pool, we set up two separate rafts for lunch. Here’s Walkabout, Eastport (Hal and Margaret) and Little Zephyr rafted up: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LunchtimeRaftatThePool.jpg
Sorry, no pictures of the other raft. Some of us hiked up to Topaz Lake after lunch. It was beautiful, but I didn’t get any pictures. John or Holly will have to post those.

Later, most of the group ate dinner and spent the night at The Pool. The Harts grilled up quite a feast for themselves: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ CookingDinnerAtThePool.jpg

We met the owner of this Conquest 235 while at The Pool – he said that he had also met some of the Continuous Wave crew a couple of years back: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ Conquest235InBaieFinn.jpg

Holly Marie leaving Baie Fine: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HollyMarieLeavingBaieFinn.jpg

We stopped at Little Current for supplies, and then it was on to South Benjamin Island: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HollyMarieSouthBenjamin.jpg

Jim setting the anchor at South Benjamin: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveSettingAnchorSouthBenjamin.jpg

We went ashore and had some fun playing on the rocks: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ JohnandEmmarieSouthBenjamin.jpg

We passed between North Benjamin and South Benjamin on our way out – Pictures don’t do justice to this area: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ BetweenNorthandSouthBenjamin.jpg

We spent the next night in Spanish, where we had a beautiful red sky at night: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ RedSkyAtNightSpanish.jpg

And calm water in the marina.
Continuous Wave: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveSpanish.jpg
Little Zephyr: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrSpanish.jpg

Next, we transited the Whalesback Channel:
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ ContinuousWaveHollyMarieWhalesback.jpg
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ WalkaboutWhalesback.jpg
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrWhalesback.jpg
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LittleZephyrEastportWhalesback.jpg

The group was seldom close enough to each other to get a good fleet shot while underway, but I did get this one: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ TheFleetWhalesback.jpg

We stopped for lunch at a [Long Point Cove] in Gwynne Bay. Here’s the view: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LunchViewGwynneBay.jpg
And here’s the Hart’s having lunch: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ TheHartsGwynneBay.jpg

Holly Marie leaving the cove: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ TheHartsGwynneBay.jpg

Next stop Thessalon, where we cooked a nice dinner in the marina clubhouse: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ TheFleetThessalon.jpg

Hal and Margaret brought along their dog, Gracie: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ HalandGracie.jpg

After leaving Thessalon, we checked-in with U.S. Customs at Drummond Island, Don and Elsa decided to head back to DeTour. The rest of the group went to Harbor Island to anchor for lunch, but the wind caused the anchor to drag after all five remaining boats joined the raft. Here’s Jim minding the anchor: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ AnchorDraggingHarborIsland.jpg

Our final stop was Lime Island, off the eastern tip of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The docks were brand new, but a little high: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LimeIslandDocks.jpg

Lime Island is a state park with a handful of rental cabins and some relics from earlier shipping trade. http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ TheFleetLimeIsland.jpg

Lime Island is located right on the shipping channel, and we got to a lot of freighters passing close by: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/North%20Channel%202012/ LimeIslandFreighter.jpg

K Albus posted 08-15-2012 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I guess I should have said that the surface of the docks at Lime Island was brand new - the underlying cribs were a bit older. Instead of completely rebuilding the docks, they basically put down a fresh layer of wood over the old docks.
jimh posted 08-15-2012 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin--Many thanks for posting the pictures. I don't think we have swapped our pictures yet. I bet you have many more good ones.
6992WHALER posted 08-15-2012 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Nice pictures Kevin
home Aside posted 08-16-2012 12:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Very Nice Photos Kevin, thanks for posting!!!
djahncke posted 08-16-2012 08:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Thanks Kevin. I look forward to a complete show at the Mullett gathering.
jimh posted 08-16-2012 08:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Fuel prices on this trip varied widely. Before departing SE Michigan I put gasoline in my truck at $1.97/gallon, thanks to a $1.80 discount bonus. A few days later the price of highway gasoline in Michigan rose to over $4/gallon, which made MIchigan gasoline some of the most expensive in the USA.

On the way North I stopped at Charlie's Corners near Grayling and put pure-gasoline no-ethanol 90-octane fuel on the boat at US-$4.15/gallon. Departing Detour Village I had 61-gallons aboard. I was going to top-off at their fuel dock on Sunday, but we ran out of time that morning. I did not want to hold up the fleet departure.

In Little Current I put more fuel on the boat at Wally's Gas Dock for CA-$1.45/liter, which probably works out to about US-$5.60/gallon with the exchange and credit card costs. On the way back through Little Current I was going to top off again, but there was a line of boats waiting for the fuel dock that morning, so I skipped it. I am not sure if Wally's gaosline was ethanol-free or not. [It turns out the fuel was ethanol-free gasoline; see below--jimh]

Later I added a bit in Spanish River at CA-$1.65/liter, and that probably cost me US-$6.40/gallon. I was glad I did add fuel, as otherwise I would have arrived at Thessalon with my fuel manager showing the tank level at minus three gallons. I probably had enough unaccounted fuel in the tank--I intentionally leave a big of a margin--but the anxiety would have been terrible. [The composition of the fuel was not known; it might have had some ethanol in there--jimh].

At Drummond Island Yacht Basin the only dock open when we arrived was the fuel dock, so I bought some gasoline to legitimize using the dock for a hour. Although back in the USA, that fuel was US-$5/gallon. More ethanol fuel, too, as I recall. [Nope--it was pure gasoline; see below--jimh]

It seems rather crazy that the price of a commodity like gasoline can vary from $1.97 to $6.40 per gallon in the span of week and the distance of 400-miles. That is a price ratio of 3.2:1.

K Albus posted 08-16-2012 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The gas at Drummond Island Yacht Haven was ethanol-free. They were quite proud of that fact and mentioned it several times while they were pumping gas into my boat.
djahncke posted 08-16-2012 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
I did inquire in Little Current and the gas was ethanol free. I did not ask about the fuel I bought in Spanish River.
jimh posted 08-16-2012 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Thanks for the added details on the fuel. I guess I bought fuel that was in the main pure gasoline. That is good to know. That fuel may still be in the tank until October's Mullet Lake Rendezvous.
jimh posted 08-19-2012 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Some thoughts for the next North Channel trip re where to start:

In planning for my next North Channel cruise, I have been reviewing Detour Village as a starting point. I have found a few interesting distances to share.

When approaching from the South, the drive to Detour from St. Ignace is 50.5-miles. In comparison, the drive to Sault Ste. Marie from St Ignace is only a mile longer, 51.5-miles. The drive to the Soo is probably faster due to being on a 70-MPH highway. This surprised me.

Once at Sault Ste.Marie, the drive to Blind River is only 90-miles or about two hours. Of course, there will be a delay in crossing the border due to the one-lane (each direction) bridge. However, I have never been delayed at the International Bridge in Sault Ste. Marie for more than about 30-minutes. Even including this delay, the drive to Blind River from St. Ignace should only be about two-hours thirty-minutes longer than going to Detour. When you are at Blind River you have cut off about two or three days of boating coming from and returning to Detour. This gives you more time in the more interesting areas of the North Channel.

Also, the drive to Little Current itself is only 90-miles beyond Blind River, or another two hours. Starting at Little Current puts you right in the middle of the best boating of the North Channel. This would only entail adding about four and a half or five hours to the drive. A six hour drive becomes a ten or eleven hour drive, but now you have saved probably four days of boat travel in leaving and returning from Detour Village.

When approaching from the West, the distances are even more favorable. Using Marquette as a benchmark starting point, Sault Ste. Marie is closer than Detour Village by 35-miles. The time saved in driving 35-miles less will more than make up for the delay at the border in most instances. This implies that for boaters coming from Minnesota, for example, Blind River is only two hours farther than Detour--a surprise to me for sure.

Another advantage of Blind River is the trailer parking may be free--it was last time, as I recall.

Starting at Little Current would probably mean launching at Spider Bay Marina. There is a charge for overnight parking there. But starting at Little Current means you could be in Baie Fine in one hour instead of three days.

K Albus posted 08-19-2012 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Jim, I agree with your reasoning. The runs from DeTour Village to Meldrum Bay, Meldrum Bay to Little Current, and Long Point Cove to Thessalon were fairly mundane/non-descript. Those runs ate up a good portion of three full days. I like the facilities at DeTour, and I'm certainly glad we stopped at Lime Island. However, on a trip leaving from Blind River we could see the Benjamin Islands, Collins Inlet/Beaverstone Bay, Baie Finn and The Pool, and MacGregor Bay, all in the same trip. There might even be enough time to make it farther east to the Bustard Islands/French River area.
6992WHALER posted 08-19-2012 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
I agree with both of you, Little current adds 4 hours to our drive (Blind river adds 2). But it is still a one day drive.

I would vote to spend more time exploring a smaller area the next trip. I have now done two aggressive trips and I have a good feel for the area overall. Now I would like to stop and look around more.

home Aside posted 08-19-2012 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Having made the drive from Metro Detroit to Blind River, Ontario twice & Detroit to Little Current, Ontario once, all I have to say is "Brutal".

The drive from Metro Detroit to Copper Harbor for the Isle Royale National Park trips, albeit farther was much nicer/easier.

I haven't made the trip by boat from Detour to the North Channel yet, and I know gas is expensive for the long runs by boat, but I've got no problem being holed up in a marina for a day or so to wait out bad weather. I enjoy being on the boat whether its underway or at the dock.

Pat

K Albus posted 08-19-2012 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Pat - I've heard rumors that you enjoy spending time on boats, but I've seen no recent evidence to confirm those rumors. Is it too early for you to request a specific week off for next summer? I'm ready to start planning the next trip.

On this year's trip, I made the drive to DeTour early on Saturday and then sat around the marina for a good portion of the day. I think two additional hours each way in the truck could have dramatically improved the overall scenery-to-miles-traveled ratio for the trip. It also would have eliminated our long, open-water run on the worst wind/wave day of the trip.

6992WHALER posted 08-20-2012 12:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
It would also have save a lot of gas for me. I put on 103 gallons at Little Current. It would be about 20 gallons in the truck.
Hoosier posted 08-20-2012 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Some thoughts about starting points. It all depends on where you start from: Detroit, Minnesota, the UP, or mid-Michigan. We've done four North Channel/Georgian Bay trips starting from Detour because our place is 20 miles away. My comments on each route to the rendezvous:

2008

Detour to Blind River, with Dave Buckalew. We left too late in the morning and got caught by the afternoon NW winds which made the water a little lumpy. Still it was only 3 hours to get to Blind River.

2009, solo, the week after Labor Day.

Detour to Gore Bay with a customs stop at Meldrum Bay, in excellent conditions. We left Detour around 11 AM and were settled in at Gore Bay by 5 PM.

Spanish to Detour, We intended to go Spanish to Thessalon but the forecast encouraged us to abort that idea and proceed directly to Detour. As I recall it took a little more than 5 hours.This and the 2008 trip were in my Outrage that struggled to maintain ~25 mph.

2011.

Detour to South Baymouth to overnight and then proceed to Lion's Head to link up. This was not a smart thing to do, but we went along the south coast of Manitoulin Island. There's nothing to see and it's a long run. We got some late afternoon wind that slowed us down but still made it to the marina at 5 PM, an hour after the office closed. We were surprised to find out that South Baymouth doesn't have a CBSA check-in phone.
Little Current to Detour. We left the group on last year's trip and proceeded directly to Detour under better than ideal conditions. We maintained 30+mph the whole way and were out of the water by 4 PM.

2012

Detour to Meldrum Bay this year was not fun but we still got there early enough to have a dock party while John repaired the damage to his boat. Jim is correct, the Fish 'N' Chips were outstanding. In hind sight we probably should have gone around the south side of both Drummond Island and Cockburn Island then up the the Mississagi Strait to Meldrum Bay.

jimh posted 08-20-2012 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have driven from Detroit to Blind River in one day probably twenty times. The only concern is to remember to stop at Brewer's Retail before they close at 7 p.m. because you are going to arrive Blind River after 7 p.m. if you leave at 9 a.m., like we usually do. But in mid-Summer you have daylight until 10 p.m., so it is not a problem.

A few years ago there was a snag on the "Trans-Canada Highway-17"--it sounds good but it is a two-lane--and a bridge repair had things shut down to one-lane alternating direction. But that is the only time I have ever been delayed on Highway-17.

jimh posted 08-20-2012 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It's hard to know if the Southern route was better. According to the sailboaters who came that way it was not very pleasant.
K Albus posted 08-20-2012 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
David, the point is that for a couple of extra hours of driving on the west end, both at the beginning and the end of the trip, you can get a couple of extra days of boating at the east end of the area, which is more desirable.

Although the ride to Meldrum Bay was rough, it wasn't terrible. However, we spent one whole "trip day" making that run, which is not a particularly picturesque run. If we had started at Blind River, we would have immediately been in the Whalesback Channel which is much more picturesque. We also would have eliminated the second half of the Spanish-to-Thessalon run on the return trip, which again was not particularly picturesque. If we had started in Blind River, we would have had an extra 1.5 to 2 days to see areas such as McGregor Bay or Collins Inlet. And we would have saved money on fuel.

I'm glad that we started in DeTour Village this time. Starting there allowed me to see DeTour Harbor, Meldrum Bay, and Lime Island on the return trip. All three places were pretty nice. However, I will vote in favor of starting in Blind River in the future.

6992WHALER posted 08-20-2012 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Putting in on the South shore you are much more weather dependent. The north side is more protected and has more options of where to go and what to do if the weather misbehaves.
As Kevin says the run on Sunday was not that bad, but it was not relaxing either. The run on Monday was fine but it was not that interesting, I felt we were just pushing so we could really start the trip on Tuesday.

I have to say that Emmarie loved the big waves on Sunday, she wanted to go sit on the bow.

dfmcintyre posted 08-20-2012 05:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
A few times, we've departed Port Huron at 2am, drove non-stop up to Tobemory, loaded on the 7am ferry, launched at Kagawong or Little Current and had lunch at the Benjamin Island group.

It does not get much better....

Don (holed up in Harrisville, MI mode, due to enough weather for a 30' C/C Sportsman to through in the towel for the day.

Buckda posted 08-20-2012 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The solution is simple. Have the rally point to start the trip at Blind River or Little Current. Participants can arrive any way they choose.

As for me, I'd prefer to spend time in the boat than on the road. Keep in mind that, according to Kevin in a post above, you pretty much killed an extra day in DeTour waiting for the group to rally, and then had a rough crossing the next day.

It would make sense to plan to rally in the afternoon at a given location and begin the cruise the following day - that way, if I want to run from DeTour, I can zip up along the lee of the mainland and make a good long run in sheltered water all the way...and spend the afternoon/evening aboard my boat, and those who don't want to do that can arrive via car and spend the time listening to a book on tape about being on the water.

:)

Just my opinion, of course...and it would save budget/$$ to put more miles on the truck at 12 MPG than in the boat at 2 MPG.

Buckda posted 08-20-2012 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Also, given the forecast, I'm surprised you guys didn't come to a consensus to violate the 10 o'clock rule and get underway earlier!
6992WHALER posted 08-20-2012 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
The 10:00 rule was not the problem the problem was that we made the run. In hindsight we should have jumped over to Lime Island and spend the day exploring it, and then made the run to Gore Bay on Monday. In other words move the last day to the first day. Sunday was a much better hiking day then the following Saturday.

Dave I like being on the boat as well, but if I use your logic I should launch at Duluth and power all the way to the North Chanel by water. ;)

I think the point is that for 2 more hours of driving we gain 2-3 days of better boating. Not to mention saving some money.
My goal is not to just put miles under the hull I want to take time to explore the areas. Especially if they are as interesting as the pool. One of the best days of the trip was the day we went to the pool, it was also one of the shortest runs we made of the entire trip.

Of course I agree with the get to the rally point anyway you want. (boat, trailer, C130)

jimh posted 08-21-2012 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Don Mac is following the Buckda rule. He left from Port Huron and he's still trying to get back there.

Leaving at 2 a.m. is a rough start. The only way we ever made the 7 a.m. ferry was by walking over from our motel room in Tobermory.

In 1995--17 years ago--I worked out all the logistics of getting to Little Current via Tobermory by car. See

http://continuouswave.com/north-channel/travelTime.html

jimh posted 08-21-2012 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re the 10 o'clock rule: the last two boats in the fleet were still on the launch ramp as we cast off from the dock. I agree, on that day, earlier would have been better. It can often be the case that early morning has lighter wind. The difficulty in leaving on time is related to the number of boats to be ready at a certain time. If p is the probability of leaving at the designated time, and if n is the number of boats, the relationship is then

p = 1/n.

With one boat the probability of leaving on time is 1; with six boats the probability of leaving on time would be 0.166

dfmcintyre posted 08-21-2012 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Jim - I did make it back to PHN. 700+ miles by boat. And your wind is still there, btw.

I checked my map (I keep the old map and make yearly notes on it. Holdover from my flying days) and the longest drive time was five hours. Shortest was one night run, clearing Canadian Customs at 1:30am and arriving at Tobemory at 5:27am. It's 216 miles from our side of the bridge to Tobe. Between 1996 and 2002, the drive times ranged from 4:15 to 4:40.

Don

jimh posted 08-21-2012 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think Don drives to Tobermory late at night on weekdays. I drive mid-day on Holiday weekends.
dfmcintyre posted 08-21-2012 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Well, there's your problem!
David Pendleton posted 08-21-2012 10:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
While I was not there this time, I do think that Little Current is the best departure point for all of what the N.C. has to offer. Blind River was fine, but I didn't really spend any time there.

Were there to be a 2014 trip, this would be my preferred departure point.

L H G posted 08-24-2012 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
From the photos, I recognize DonJ's Ficht powered, converted Sea Drive Revenge 22 from Chicago, where it was was docked for several years in Diversey Harbor. Talked to the owner several times, and I think he used to participate here years ago when he was doing the restoration.

How does the Armstrong bracket version of the Revenge compare with the peerfromance of the Whaler Drive version?

djahncke posted 08-28-2012 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Larry,

I can't say that I have the setup dialed in yet. The previous owners had the motor mounted too low, I just raised it two holes this week and do see an improvement of a couple of knots. I am running a very different prop than Jim, I am running the prop that came with the boat a 4 blade SS Renegade 14.25 x 19.

Given the differences my observations during the cruise are that the boat usually ran best at a slightly higher cruise speed than Jim's. I don't have any precise fuel consumption information as I don't have the fuel flow metering that Jim does and we didn't stick with the group the whole time so we cannot compare simple overall fuel consumption. If I am able to get some decent fuel flow monitoring equipment installed this winter we will be able to do some comparisons next season.

I can say that I do like the way the boat runs with the Armstrong Bracket and the 225hp Ficht.

-Don

L H G posted 08-29-2012 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Thanks, Don. The boat sounds nice, and I like the tan Mills canvas. It's the first 22 I have ever seen with an Amrstong bracket. I would recommend a Mercury Enertia prop for your setup. You'll pick up even more top end.

Have you thought about replacing the original Whaler stripes and decals that the restorer deleted?

K Albus posted 09-02-2012 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
After further review, it appears that the yacht that made the high speed pass by ContinuousWave was a Pershing 72. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yacht_Pershing_72.jpg
6992WHALER posted 09-03-2012 12:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
Kevin, how did you figure that out.

I wonder how many of those there are? Maybe we can figure out who owns the one we saw.

jimh posted 09-03-2012 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Some details on the PERSHING 72:

Price - $5.5-million
Power = twin 1,800-HP diesel engines
Propulsion = Aronson surface-piercing drives
Hull = 20-degree dead rise V-hull
Speed = 50-MPH or more


prj posted 09-03-2012 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Unbridled in Little Current earlier this summer:

http://www.trojanboats.net/wforum/viewtopic.php?p=65807& sid=16cbad95e6350f2afcff1fcf30a1cf07

David Pendleton posted 09-03-2012 09:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
It must belong to a Canadian citizen--no Pershing with that name in the USCG database.

Does the Canadian Coast Guard have vessel documentation? Anyone know how to search it?

Buckda posted 09-03-2012 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
(pure speculation here)...

It may be corporate owned. A few years ago, when we were in Little Current, there were several OCEAN yachts tied up at the sea wall. All corporate owned and being used as sales demos for clients on vacation...presumably from Toronto.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that flyby was a test drive with a prospective customer aboard a company-owned demo boat.

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