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Ed Stone posted 08-08-2000 05:06 AM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
Any thoughts or comments on the 23 Outrage with baitwell and stern seat built into the transom.The stern seat folds out of the way and seems to be very sturdy.How does the boat handle?
Thanks,Ed Stone
Bill D posted 08-08-2000 07:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
Ed, this is an email from a guy who fished a 23 in Hawaii and has now moved to south fla. and had it shipped there. He really likes his 23. hope this helps some.

I sold a Bertram I used out of Ocean City MD to fish offshore in the Atlantic when I moved to Hawaii (Kona Coast of Big Island). I bought a BW Conquest 23 with twin Hondas HT, Auto Pilot, Radar. Big Game fishing is done from 1/4 mile to 15 miles out here so sometimes you never have to get up on plane is you don't want,

Great boat I run with the big boys in 6ft seas (unusual here) and catch my share of big marlin and tuna fishing 3X a week all year. I looked at the 21 but did not like the cut out transom for backing down.

Most BW owners have trouble recommending the boats because of price but they are GOOD.

I fished St. Simons Island area during WWII when I was there for radar flight training as a pilot. that area around Brunswick is a scenic area.

Tight Lines
Capt. Lee

Bill D posted 08-08-2000 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
Ed, just a quick follow up. I probably should have said that even though you were asking about the Outrage 23, that maybe a owners info on a 23 Coquest would help. I had a minor interruption and lost my train of thought (pretty short train)....
Ed Stone posted 08-09-2000 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hey Bill,
I believe that is the same hull.Doesn't the conquest have the same setup at the transom with the baitwell,fold down stern seat,walkthru door?
Bill D posted 08-09-2000 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
I thought it was the same hull but when you check the spec's on Whaler on-line the listed beam of the Outrage is 8'4" and the Conquest is 8'6". This might be a typo... I would be surprised if Whaler had 2 Hulls at the same LOA. Fold-down seat and walk-through seat I beleive to be the same. Livewell setup is different with the Outrage being better in my opinion. One option I've got on my Conquest that I've fell in love with down here during these dog days of summer is the fresh water shower on the stern. A few seconds running it over your head really feels great in this heat. I love to run one of the 23's with twin 150's, I bet it would be AWESOME.
Ed Stone posted 08-18-2000 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
I looked at a 23 today. I don't know why,
because my 17 does great.
The 23 was in near perfect condition.
1999 with a 225 Opti-Max,105 hrs.
marine head,over board discharge,
Vhf,depth finder,Gps,raw water washdown,
lighted livewell,freshwater shower.
The boat had my name all over it.
But,it did not have a trailer,no T-top,
And I would prefer twin motors.
I could purchase a small kicker,
and buy a trailer if the price was right.
He said the boat topped out at 55 plus.
Could that be possible?
Ed Stone
Ed Stone posted 08-20-2000 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
I'm wondering how the 23 Conquest would do
in rough sea's.Having the steering so far
forward seems to invite a rough ride.
Most people don't go out in rough weather
but somtimes get caught out away from shore.
My wife likes the idea of a cabin boat.
She says but think about me and the kids.
I would say they go out maybe 10 percent
of the time.
I operate the boat standing most of the
time now and can't see my self sitting
so far from the stern of the boat.
We would be better off with a Outrage
and a forward shelter.(I think)
A Outrage cuddy would make us both happy.
I guess it would be less trouble to keep
the boat We have.
Ed Stone
Bill D posted 08-23-2000 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
ED, Sorry for the late reply. Went to the coast to play with the Whaler. She gets upset if I don't come down very often. Anyway to answer your questions. 55 from a single 225hp on a 23. I don't think so, one of the boating mags did a test with a 225 on a 21 Conquest and only got 53. I've got 54 out of mine on a calm day, late fall, light load, with a 19 pitch prop. Mostly I get 46 to 49 during the summer under a full load, proped with a 17 pitch. As far as the cabin goes I never thought I'd like one, but I've found the trade off in fishing space to not be a problem since I don't carry more than 3 other people anyway. The added storage is really nice and its much cooler than I would have thought. Also, helm position hasn't been a problem, like you run standing most of the time, but being able to sit can really be nice. The ride difference from my Montauk to my Conquest is night and day as far as comfort and speed goes in rough conditions. Although I don't feel any safer in my 21 as I did in the Montauk.
Ed Stone posted 08-28-2000 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hey Bill,
I'm looking at a 23 Outrage with a single
225 merc. Opti-max,100hrs.(but don,t they all say 100hrs.)I do most of my boating
offshore.I've thought about a 15 to 25hp
kicker.I like how Louie has his mounted
on his 22 gaurdian.On this boat of coarse
the 225 is mounted in the center,and it
does not look like there is room to throw
a kicker on there.I'm going to look at a
23 with twin 135 opti's and a factory
T-top,all the electronics,windlass,
Portti-potti/with overboard discharge,
fresh water shower,only 80hrs(ha ha)
Extended warranty on the motors.
No trailer,but I would prefer buying
my own trailer.It seems most people don't
have a clue when it comes to proper
trailers,including dealers.
Same year as the other whaler only 5k more.
Do you have any idea what a vacu-flush
marine head is compared to a standard
porta-potti?(option on the 23 conquest)
What do they consider the sun lounge
on the 23 Outrage?
Thanks,Ed Stone
Ed Stone posted 08-31-2000 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
I'll keep ramblin'on because my wife won't
listen.I'm going to look at a 94 outrage.
A 24 footer with a single 225 Evinrude,
bimini,dodger,leaning post,live well,
porrta-potti,250 hrs.
The only thing is fishing offshore I
want dependable motors and if I had
to repower it that cost a small fortune.
Ed Stone
Bill D posted 09-08-2000 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
Ed, Sorry for late reply. I've been out of pocket for a couple of weeks. Everyone has their own thoughts on singles vs twins. I look at it a little differently. With the quaility of motors today I'm comfortable with either twins or single offshore. A kicker won't do me much good as it wouldn't have the power I'd need to run the pass, if my main engine failed. I'd worry more about engine maintenance to prevent a failure. Make sure I have good quailty safety systems and multiple ways to communicate should I experience engine problems. Also be sure to be a SeaTow member. I won't argue that twins are better but for me the cost of ownership is not justified by the use. I prefer to power a boat at close to max rated HP. and sometimes that takes twins, if not I'll go with a single.

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