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Ed Stone posted 08-22-2000 10:28 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
It sounds like 4 models have been dropped
from the Whaler line.The 11ft.tender,
13ft.classic,18ft.Outrage,21ft ConQuest.
Added boats,11ft impact,26ft.Conquest.
And at some point a entry level
bluewater boat.Size?
lhg posted 08-23-2000 01:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'm surprised about eliminating the 18 Outrage and 21 Conquest. Those are both recent new models, introduced under Brunswick's design team. Guess they're still struggling to find the right formula for the new look of Whalers. Sales of those models must have been slow.
Bill D posted 08-23-2000 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
At the price of a 21 Conquest, my guess is that a lot of people are going for a larger boat from another maker for the same $'s. Unless you've owned a few boats and know exactly what your looking for to suit your own needs its a STEEP price for a 21' boat. Still matched up against some of the other 21's, I'd still pay the extra for the Whaler. But the difference is I plan on keeping the boat for a number of years. Seems a lot of people like to trade boats every 3-4 years. Just a thought....
hauptjm posted 08-25-2000 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
I can't believe they are cancelling production on the 18 Outrage. I'm partial to them because I own one, but man what a bad move. I know there are a lot of Montauk lovers on this site ( and I'm one of 'em), but the 18 might be the best all-around boat out there. It's easy to trailer. Big enough to handle some rough conditions. And doesn't take a V-8 to run it at 40+ mph. I spent almost 10 years on a Montauk, and believe me, the 18 is whole lot more boat. In a perfect world, I'd have both. As far as Whaler cancelling the 18; I give them 2 years, and bet it comes back, or "Mercury" will sell the division to someone who knows how to run a company like Whaler. "This isn't your mother's Buick", as the old saying goes!
lhg posted 08-25-2000 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Jim: You're not thinking of the same Outrage 18!! The Classic 18' hull that you have was finally discontinued after 1995. Then, in 1999, a new, bigger 18 Outrage was introduced as a completely differently sized boat, and weighing 2500 lbs. To me it looked short, wide and stubby, and this is evidently the one being discontinued. The Classic 18 hull is only avaiable in CPD.
frank posted 08-25-2000 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for frank  Send Email to frank     
I ALSO DON'T SEE A DAUNTLESS LESS THAN 16'
Ed Stone posted 08-25-2000 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hauptjm,
Larry is right you were thinking about the
Classic 18.Still available in the gaurdian
line of the cmmercial division.
I was referring to the newest Neo-Whaler
in Outrage line-up.I never water tested
the new 18.I did like the double fish
boxes in the deck,the large center console,
and the wide beam.Maybe the wide beam on
such a short boat caused handling problems.
Compared to my my 17 outrage it did seem
to have a lot of room.At the tour the
reason was sales and profit.
I'm anxious to see what the entry level
Bluewater boat they were talking about.
I'm thinking a boat,motor,trailer like
they have done with the 13footer.
I personally like the 23footer for
all the wrong reasons,(bells & whistles)
Built in lighted baitwell,Marine head,
surface mounted electronics,Fold Away
Solid stern seat,Transom wall for kids,
Fold away ladder,Solid feel of the
Uni-bond Const.Unsinkable
Hey Frank,
I'm not sure about the dauntless.
They do have the new 13 sport that they
probaly think covers anything under 16.
Ed Stone
lhg posted 08-26-2000 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Gotta say this Sea Ray crowd doesn't mess around. They bring out a boat, it doesn't fly and they can it quickly before it gives Whaler a bad name!
Bashaw posted 08-28-2000 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bashaw  Send Email to Bashaw     
I think that the Outrage 18 was killed because it competed with the Dauntless 18.
Ed Stone posted 08-28-2000 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Hey Bashaw,
I believe they are going to try and put
together a package 18 0r 19 ft. Outrage,
with boat,motor,trailer, like they did
with the 13 sport.
Ed Stone
tbyrne posted 08-29-2000 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbyrne    
I'd love to see a "classic" 18'6" Outrage package. I think it's one of Whaler's all-time bests.

I just bought the 2000 Sport 13 package and am very pleased with it - it does a good job of balancing the compromises that all boats must be (although the speed demon in me could use a bit more oomph!).

I suspect the newest 18 Outrage was not a big seller - too bloated looking, there doesn't appear to be enough interior room for fishing, and at 2,500 lbs. for the hull only, the fully fueled and loaded trailer package must come in at over 4,500 lbs!!

Bashaw posted 08-29-2000 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bashaw  Send Email to Bashaw     
I have heard the same rumor about an entry level blue water package. If it comes to fruition, and survives a couple of years I would be interested.
hauptjm posted 09-01-2000 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Y'all are correct, I was thinking of the Clasic 18. I'm still stuck in the past. A cousin of mine has the new version (2 yrs. old) and I agree; BLOATED! I would love to see a commercial 18 rigged out like the recreational boats were. Teak on the gunnels, teak hatches on the console, and the pole holders and Igloo seat up front. I guess if you really had the funds, you can still get what you want. I am curious though, what is the weight of the CPD 18 compared to the pre-95s? I assume the same. Also, what are the cost differentials?
WhalerAl posted 10-05-2000 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for WhalerAl  Send Email to WhalerAl     
Looking to trade 85 Montauk *mint* 96 90 evinrude for a 18' Outrage.
Is this possible or is the Outrage more$$

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