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Johnboat posted 09-25-2000 10:15 PM ET (US)
I am considering a new 99 21 Outrage that is still on a dealer lot. Another dealer has a 2000 and still another has a 2001. In the 1999 catalog the weight is 2,300 and in the 2000 catalog the weight is 3,000 and the beam is 2" less (8'4" vs 8'6"). This doesnt make sense to me, unless the 2000 ( and maybe the 01) is a completely different hull than the 99...but they look identical in the photos. Any comments appreciated. Thanks
Johnboat posted 09-27-2000 10:47 AM ET (US)
Whaler responded to my email. The hull is unchanged 99 through 01. The beam is 8"4" and the correct weight is about 3,000 lbs. Apparently the 1999 brochure was not accurate.
Ed Stone posted 09-27-2000 10:20 PM ET (US)
Hey Johnboat,
I had heard the 99 catalogs were misprinted
on the weights.
Whats type and size outboard is pushing
those Whalers.Update us if you do a
water test on one of them.
Ed Stone
Johnboat posted 09-28-2000 07:58 AM ET (US)
Mostly they are rigged with 200 hp. Merc Optimax is most common. Or a Yamaha HPDI 200. I havent water tested one but a new friend has one and I might in a couple of weeks.
lhg posted 10-04-2000 12:12 AM ET (US)
About four months ago I asked a Dealer about the hull weight discrepancies, and he told me this proved to be a nightmare for both the Dealers and BW. I was told that BW designed and built this new series of Outrages/Conquests and evidently never weighed them! I personally find this hard to believe, if true, and somewhat irresponsible for a sophisticated marine Company like Brunswick/Mercury/Sea Ray, yet alone Boston Whaler. The whole thing makes no sense to me, since weight is such a critical issue in selling a boat/motor/trailer combination, and in trailering. So the issue of intentional mis-representation has got to be out there, perhaps because the same size boats are SO MUCH heavier than their predecessors. We'll never really know, but makes no sense to me.
I'll bet some heads rolled. No way was it a catalog misprint on so many models.
Anyway, because of these low weight specifications, trailer failures occurred and he mentioned a lifting davit failure, putting both the company and the Dealers in a Product Liability situation. So the catalog weights were corrected and everybody was accommodated on their complaints and failures, including new trailers.
All this is second hand information from a Dealer, as I said before.
Petero posted 10-06-2000 10:07 AM ET (US)
I bought a 1999 Outrage 18 last year and ran into this problem as the dealer figured the trailer capacity based on the catalogue weight. As a result I had a 3100lb capacity single axle trailer. When I saw the chnage in weight last December, the boat was at the dealer for winterizing. I brought it to their attention and ended up with a dual axle 4200lb capacity trailer - no charge. My boat, motor and trailer, with full fuel (92 gal) and equipment weighs 4940lbs. Whaler said the original weights were "based on engineering estimates" and the new weights are accurate - I think closer, but not accurate. According to my dealer, they replaced several other trailers, but I was never officially notified by either Whaler or the dealer regarding the potential problem.
Johnboat posted 10-07-2000 04:16 PM ET (US)
My Dauntless 18 also came on a single axle and I had the rig weighed at 4,010 lbs full of gas with ice chest 1/2 full of water. Mine has Bimini, 150 optimax, Trolling motor and 4 batts...fishing pkg with the rear fish box etc...The dealer and trailer mfg converted my trailer to a tandem at no cost to me. The dauntless is still rated at 1,800 lbs but those extras and fuel really add up. The only way to know is to take the rig to a truck scale...costs $6.00 here.

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Author	Topic: 21 Outrage catalog weights 99 vs 00
Johnboat	posted 09-25-2000 10:15 PM ET (US) I am considering a new 99 21 Outrage that is still on a dealer lot. Another dealer has a 2000 and still another has a 2001. In the 1999 catalog the weight is 2,300 and in the 2000 catalog the weight is 3,000 and the beam is 2" less (8'4" vs 8'6"). This doesnt make sense to me, unless the 2000 ( and maybe the 01) is a completely different hull than the 99...but they look identical in the photos. Any comments appreciated. Thanks
Johnboat	posted 09-27-2000 10:47 AM ET (US) Whaler responded to my email. The hull is unchanged 99 through 01. The beam is 8"4" and the correct weight is about 3,000 lbs. Apparently the 1999 brochure was not accurate.
Ed Stone	posted 09-27-2000 10:20 PM ET (US) Hey Johnboat, I had heard the 99 catalogs were misprinted on the weights. Whats type and size outboard is pushing those Whalers.Update us if you do a water test on one of them. Ed Stone
Johnboat	posted 09-28-2000 07:58 AM ET (US) Mostly they are rigged with 200 hp. Merc Optimax is most common. Or a Yamaha HPDI 200. I havent water tested one but a new friend has one and I might in a couple of weeks.
lhg	posted 10-04-2000 12:12 AM ET (US) About four months ago I asked a Dealer about the hull weight discrepancies, and he told me this proved to be a nightmare for both the Dealers and BW. I was told that BW designed and built this new series of Outrages/Conquests and evidently never weighed them! I personally find this hard to believe, if true, and somewhat irresponsible for a sophisticated marine Company like Brunswick/Mercury/Sea Ray, yet alone Boston Whaler. The whole thing makes no sense to me, since weight is such a critical issue in selling a boat/motor/trailer combination, and in trailering. So the issue of intentional mis-representation has got to be out there, perhaps because the same size boats are SO MUCH heavier than their predecessors. We'll never really know, but makes no sense to me. I'll bet some heads rolled. No way was it a catalog misprint on so many models. Anyway, because of these low weight specifications, trailer failures occurred and he mentioned a lifting davit failure, putting both the company and the Dealers in a Product Liability situation. So the catalog weights were corrected and everybody was accommodated on their complaints and failures, including new trailers. All this is second hand information from a Dealer, as I said before.
Petero	posted 10-06-2000 10:07 AM ET (US) I bought a 1999 Outrage 18 last year and ran into this problem as the dealer figured the trailer capacity based on the catalogue weight. As a result I had a 3100lb capacity single axle trailer. When I saw the chnage in weight last December, the boat was at the dealer for winterizing. I brought it to their attention and ended up with a dual axle 4200lb capacity trailer - no charge. My boat, motor and trailer, with full fuel (92 gal) and equipment weighs 4940lbs. Whaler said the original weights were "based on engineering estimates" and the new weights are accurate - I think closer, but not accurate. According to my dealer, they replaced several other trailers, but I was never officially notified by either Whaler or the dealer regarding the potential problem.
Johnboat	posted 10-07-2000 04:16 PM ET (US) My Dauntless 18 also came on a single axle and I had the rig weighed at 4,010 lbs full of gas with ice chest 1/2 full of water. Mine has Bimini, 150 optimax, Trolling motor and 4 batts...fishing pkg with the rear fish box etc...The dealer and trailer mfg converted my trailer to a tandem at no cost to me. The dauntless is still rated at 1,800 lbs but those extras and fuel really add up. The only way to know is to take the rig to a truck scale...costs $6.00 here.