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CDN posted 10-09-2000 09:04 AM ET (US)   Profile for CDN   Send Email to CDN  
I just got a 2001 brochure. BW now includes power for ALL models, Mercury outboards (with some choices in each model) for all but 34' Defiance (Yanmar inboard for it). Trailers usually included also.
blackdog posted 10-09-2000 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
I think dealers can order them rigged with Mercury controls but I know some of them order the boats unrigged so the customer can choose the engine as in my case. Do they offer a price break if you go with Mercury? The 2001 16í Dauntless comes with a Mercury 90 in most cases but I got the 115 Evinrude. I canít imagine what the 90 is like, it is heavy boat.
dgp posted 10-09-2000 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
When I ordered my Montauk in May of 2000, the dealer wasn't sure whether it would be a 2000 or 2001 model. I wanted a Mercury 50 HP four stroke mounted on it. About mid June it was decided by BW that this order would be a 2001 model and BW would not mount the 50 HP since BW was only offering the Mercury 90 HP 2 stroke or 90 HP four stroke in 2001 model year. My dealer and his BW rep had to shuck-and-jive with the factory to get this boat delivered with the Merc pre-rig. The engine was shipped from BW but the dealer did have to install it.
As I understand it, BW will no longer sell a boat with just the pre rig less the engine. You have one or two Mercury engine choices, take-it-or-leave-it. Don
lhg posted 10-09-2000 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'm surprised (then again, maybe not) that Whaler would take such a narrow minded approach on HP options. So many here have indicated that 50-75HP is close to the ideal for the Montauk. Seems that a "too limited"
engine choice could hurt sales on any of the models, particularly for the "go slow" crowd! Guess they want to make sure that all new Montauks will do at least 45mph. But then again, Mercury is in the business of selling horsepower, so the more the merrier.
I must confess, however, that if I was buying a new Montauk, I would want the 90. I think the Merc 2 stroke 90 is one of the quietest and strongest engines around.
polaris posted 10-09-2000 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for polaris  Send Email to polaris     
A dealer I talked with in IN, who also handles Honda engines, which I have on anothe r boat, offered to get me a Dauntless with a Honda engine
Keith Silliman posted 10-10-2000 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Keith Silliman    
I also purchased a Montauk this year (June). My boat is a 2000, not a 2001.The dealer had it equipped with a 90 hp Merc 4 stroke, but I had him replace it with a 75 HP Merc 4 stroke. It took some convincing to get them to make the change. I did not want the bigger engine as my kids will be using it primarily on spectacle shaped lake that is only 4 miles long. I think it will be the biggest boat on the lake.

The dealer uses the Montauk (equipped with a 90 HP) as its primary rental boat on Lake George, here in New York. It is interesting to see so many BWs on an Adirondack Lake.

tbirdsey posted 10-10-2000 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Keith: Is Chic still selling Whalers? I bought my first from him in '75, a used 68 Nauset he was brokering for someone. My current 18 Outrage was ordered from him by its original owner back in '84. lhg goes back even further with Chic who has certainly put a lot of whalers on Lake George over the years - even before he was a factory recognized dealer!! BTW, I'm right around the corner from you in Delmar.
lhg posted 10-10-2000 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I first launched a Whaler on Lake George NY in 1968, and even then there were a lot of Boston Whalers on the Lake, both 13's and 16's. The Dealer in those days was the Stewart family, running Pilot Knob Boathouse, and selling Mercs on their Whalers. The Lake George Park Commission officers patrolled the lake in 6 Nausets, powered with 115HP Evinrudes, with big "LG" graphics on the sides. This was incredible advertizing for Boston Whaler, as these very fast boats were very visible all the time. They would do about 50mph.

Purchased my first new Merc outboard from Chic Chicorelli at Chic's Marina in Bolton Landing. It was a 1970 50HP Merc in-line 4, 15" shaft and electric start, and cost $800, complete with side mounted control box! Dropped this thing on my 13' Sport and tore around Lake George with it! Picture of this rig, on Lake George, in the 13 Reference/Testimonial section.

Keith Silliman posted 10-10-2000 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Keith Silliman    
Yes, I purchased the boat at Chic's in Bolton Landing. I dealt with a gentleman named Brett Scott.

I spent the past Summer getting used to the boat (having only owned kevlar canoes) on the Hudson River. I put in at the Town of Bethlehem Henry Hudson Park. Only saw one other Whaler on the River this Summer.

I was out all three days thisdpast weekend-- a bit nippy on the open Montauk, but I just can't bring myself to winterize it yet-- probably by the end of the month.

bigz posted 10-10-2000 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Them were the days --- Larry ---- in '67 and '68 summers I worked on the old converted landing craft tour boat Ticonderoga as head bartender --- heh heh --- great job -- and we would rent SCUBA gear up at Chics spent at a lot of time at Gallia's (sp) bar/restaurant since a good "friend" worked up in Bolton -- used to hitch up every night to Bolton --- and yeah know never back then one had to wait more than a couple of minutes before one got a lift --- hmmm --- had a nice old fellow from up on the mountain who worked in George give me a lift from our place up on Horicon Rd (CR 11) back each morning at 5:30AM --- remember them park police boats very very well --- chuckle --- sorry just an old remembrance --- know this is a SERIOUS Whaler site --- slight lapse --- please forgive --- Z
lhg posted 10-10-2000 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom: Small world as they say. Sure sounds like we came close to running into each other up in Lake George. I remember the "Ticonderoga" well. My activities Whalering up there began in June 1968, fresh out of Grad school, and ended in fall of 1980 with my re-location back to Chicago. Always had a season's launch pass at Chic's. I think I'm the one that got him interested in selling Whalers. Still miss Lake George, but I hear it's changed from those days. Now I like the big open waters of the northern Great Lakes.
tbirdsey posted 10-10-2000 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
Keith: We'll have to have our own mini-rendezvous at HH Park! I spent a fair amount of time on the river this summer, including the week before last for a short run in my 13'. The 18 is still in NH -will be back home next week - and I just couldn't stand being off the water any longer. I've got this old Evinrude 18 on it ('58, I was told) and it looks just like the boat in the advertisement with Dick Fischer motoring up some rapids!! Motor runs great and gets up on plane quite easily with my son and I aboard.
You're right, there aren't a lot of whalers on the river - maybe that one you saw was me. Have you seen the 25' tied up a bit north of the ramp an the west shore that belongs to the Selkirk Fire Department?? Just noticed it while out in the 13. I'll keep an eye out for you.
tbirdsey posted 10-10-2000 11:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
bigz: I think we should all be allowed to reminisce a little now and then, especially as we mature(?). It was on Lake George that Larry infected me with "whaleritus" back in '73. I avoid the place now. It has become seriously overcrowded with boats that are way too big for the lake - which is really sad because it is one of the most beautiful lakes in the US, according to many. N/C 2000 Rendezvous really got me hooked on the Great Lakes -damn, Larry, you've done it again!

bigz, does the name Bruce Hiser ring any bells???
jimh, sorry for straying from the topic,promise it won't happen again!

tbirdsey posted 10-10-2000 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
bigz: I think we should all be allowed to reminisce a little now and then, especially as we mature(?). It was on Lake George that Larry infected me with "whaleritus" back in '73. I avoid the place now. It has become seriously overcrowded with boats that are way too big for the lake - which is really sad because it is one of the most beautiful lakes in the US, according to many. N/C 2000 Rendezvous really got me hooked on the Great Lakes -damn, Larry, you've done it again!

bigz, does the name Bruce Hiser ring any bells???
jimh, sorry for straying from the topic,promise it won't happen again!

lhg posted 10-11-2000 12:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Thanks for the compliment, Tom, but I think
you've got to give the credit for introducing you to the Canadian Great Lakes shores to John Flook and Jim Hebert. They're the ones that made it all happen. Just wait 'til you see the Small Craft Passage in the Georgian Bay 90,000 island chain, next summer, I hope!
jimh posted 10-11-2000 12:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The unofficial plan for the 2001 Whaler Lake Huron Rendezvous is to begin in southern Georgian Bay at about Port Severn and go north all the way on the small craft route to the Bustard Islands, then across the northern edge of the bay to Beaverstone Bay, up the Collins River Inlet, and arrive in Killarney.

If Tom Zeno plans ahead, he could bring "Amy's Whaler" up the Hudson River, across the Erie Canel, up the Trent-Severn Waterway, and meet us trailer-whalers at Port Severn.

BigZ, if you plan on taking the whole month of August off, you can make it!


Keith Silliman posted 10-11-2000 05:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Keith Silliman    
off-topic (again)!

Tom B: The other whaler I saw was a 13' but I cannot remember exactly when. Yes, I have seen the resue boat moored upriver. Gives me reason to become a volunteer fireman!

I agree Lake George has been "ruined" for boating, with one exception-- The Fall, during midweek. I had a conference in Diamond Point for three days, so I arrived by whaler (last year, I arrived by canoe). I had the Lake virtually to myself.

The Hudson is an interesting place to boat, given the amount of commercial shipping. I enjoy manuevering the Montauk through rhe waves generated by some of the large tugs.


tbirdsey posted 10-11-2000 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
jimh: sounds like its time to start a new thread for the 2001 rendezvous. I dream of making the journey you described from Albany to the Great Lakes, but I'll definitely need something bigger than the 18 and more time than I will probably have next summer - but you never know......... Its nice to have something like that to look forward to. Your preliminary plans for next summer sound great!!! and as Larry noted, thanks to you and John F for your wonderful introduction to the Great Lakes.
CDN posted 10-11-2000 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for CDN  Send Email to CDN     
Glad I sparked something people had in their minds already for a 2001 Rendezvous.

Back on topic, the February Whaler Newsletter at the site quoted someone that they expected the 13' Sport to be the only boat sold as a package. I remember thinking that I doubted that. It's clear now that is what has happened, and only if you have a dealer willing to press the issue can you pick your own outboard, or trailer for that matter.

bigz posted 10-11-2000 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
WOW --- heh heh has this post topic degenerated!

Yes, guys I know LG has become a real mess of larger than should be allowed craft and of course the tourist throngs -- really sad -- should have put restrictions on boat size I think --- I was up at the Saginaw about 2 years ago --- enjoyed the stay but as I said sad --- the Lake is still beautiful though and up in the narrows one can still feel isolated!

Jim H great idea you going to spring for the gas chuckle ----

Hey I have noticed a lot of folks starting to join the Forum from the Mid-Atlantic states and the Northeast

Maybe a "rendezvous" in the northern Chesapeake might be a decent idea, even get you Michigan, Ohio and Illinois folks out here for a 4-5 day over a weekend jaunt --- could be in mid June before the actual summer begins around here and the weather is usually pretty decent --- lots of cruising ground and places to go and things to do --- just rambling again --- heh heh --- Tom

blackdog posted 10-11-2000 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
I would be into that. As long as you act as the tour guide! How about the Mullica in NJ? Probably small & shallow, I have read some good things about the Sweet Water Casino this time of year. Looks like the weather is going to break this weekend back up into the 70's. Gotta get out!
lhg posted 10-11-2000 02:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Jimh: Sign me up for the Georgian Bay islands trip, whether it is the official "Rendezvous" or just an informal get-together. I'll be there. No arm twisting required for that part of the world.
We'll have to figure out a way to at least get Tom & Clark up there.

(Incidentally, we have to be careful here not to antagonize the Canadians! They have managed to keep Georgian Bay as their own little known best secret, and won't be happy to see hords of Americans invading once the word gets out!)

Tom: I'll bet you wish you had the Outrage 20 as your trailer-Rendezvous boat! Maybe your 13 will work. The hotel on Lake George, incidentally, is the "Sagamore" (I think).
I'd also be game for a Chesapeake Bay trip. I hear it's great boating and I've never been there.

TomB & Keith: Regarding the upper Hudson, Judy and I did a lot of boating out there in our 13, 1968-1971, when I first showed up in Albany.
I bought a Mills forward shelter for it(tan canvas in those days), and we used it for Spring and Fall boating out there. The shelter made a huge difference in comfort levels. I hear the river's a lot cleaner than it used to be. Always enjoyed being out on the Hudson, and covered some considerable distances in the 13.

bigz posted 10-11-2000 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
100% right Larry it is the Sagamore (thank you) --- see what influence these Michigan guys have on my poor old brain ----

MD we're pretty much booked for the next couple of weekends --- but sounds like it might be a plan at some point --- will keep it in mind ---

Well Larry I'm no expert on cruising the Chesapeake Bay by any means --- however the "chairman" and I have been checking things out, arm chair cruising and brother there are a lot of swell spots in the northern bay --- we could even include Annapolis in the program but really don't have to go down that far lots right up north --- something to ponder for next Spring --- Tom

bigz posted 10-11-2000 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Tom B sorry didn't catch your question --

Afraid I don't recall a Bruce Hiser, should I? --- it has been 32-33 years ago, might refresh my memory Tom.


tbirdsey posted 10-12-2000 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for tbirdsey  Send Email to tbirdsey     
bigz: Bruce is a landscape architect I know who lived in Bolton Landing back around then and spent a lot of time on the lake, friend of Chic's,etc. Just a shot in the dark...

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