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MikeG posted 11-06-2000 06:24 PM ET (US)
I was checking out Ebay when I came across a listing for a 1993 13ft BW. It was being sold by BentBoat who usually deal with damaged goods. Either way, when I clicked on the description they have the boat listed as being sunk and the core water-logged and no longer CG approved. Has any one of heard of something like this before. I am not a big fan of the Rage, but I considered them a safe enough boat. I was wondering if their was something inheriently bad with their design. Would Whaler replace a hull like this?
Here is the link if anyone is interested:
[url]www.bentboat.com/files/inventory/1273/description.html [/url]
I would be interested to hear anyone's comments. I never heard of this happening to a Montauk (and I hope I never do!!)
Mike
DIVE 1 posted 11-07-2000 11:10 PM ET (US)
Mike,
I hate to break the bad news to you, but a BW will sink if the conditions are right.
If the core becomes wet and the water freezes in the core, the foam breaks down and becomes mushy(This usually takes a few winters with freezing weather). When the foam core becomes mushy the inner and outer hulls flex and accelerates the foam breakdown. This allows more free space in the core area to fill with more water(if the water entrance point was not repaired). As this process progresses along the positive bouyancy of the hull decreases.
I have seen this in several BWs, but most of them were severely used and abused. Maintenance was non-existant.
My question about a Florida boat with a saturated core is how did the water enter the core and has this boat always been down south?
If you are thinking about purchasing a BW with a saturated core, make sure your fiberglassing skills and your patience are high.
MikeG posted 11-08-2000 12:48 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the respones. I figured nothing is unsinkable. Ex: Titanic. However, I was suprised to hear that a relatively new (7years old) BW sank in Florida. I have no real desire to purchase a Rage (especially a water logged one). I'm plenty happy with my Montauk for now and possibly a dauntless in the future. I was just curious about the article. Can the same water logged problem occur without the freeze factor? I was under the impression that the foam was closed cell, essentially containing water intrusion to only the exposed foam.
I have seen a few old, beat whalers with a fair amount of exposed foam still floating high. One in particular is up in Maine and has at least 2' by 1' opening straight to foam in its side and it holds a few hundred lbs. of nets and a 25hp engine. Its been that way for at least 5-6 years.
On an interesting side note, I remember reading a quick blurb about a whaler that "sank" before. Apparently a very large sailboat broke off its mooring during a storm and slammed into a pier and a house. The owner of the house also owned a whaler that was tied to the pier. He assumed the whaler was sunk in the collision. A few days later, tugs pulled the sailboat off the pier and house and up popped the whaler. It had apparently been trapped beneath the boat. Amazing. I doubt it was in great shape after an ordeal like that, but there are probably a lot of boats that would not have come back up.
Mike
bigz posted 11-08-2000 05:26 AM ET (US)
As they say that Rage was sunk before it sank Z

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Author	Topic: Sunk Rage???
MikeG	posted 11-06-2000 06:24 PM ET (US) I was checking out Ebay when I came across a listing for a 1993 13ft BW. It was being sold by BentBoat who usually deal with damaged goods. Either way, when I clicked on the description they have the boat listed as being sunk and the core water-logged and no longer CG approved. Has any one of heard of something like this before. I am not a big fan of the Rage, but I considered them a safe enough boat. I was wondering if their was something inheriently bad with their design. Would Whaler replace a hull like this? Here is the link if anyone is interested: [url]www.bentboat.com/files/inventory/1273/description.html [/url] I would be interested to hear anyone's comments. I never heard of this happening to a Montauk (and I hope I never do!!) Mike
DIVE 1	posted 11-07-2000 11:10 PM ET (US) Mike, I hate to break the bad news to you, but a BW will sink if the conditions are right. If the core becomes wet and the water freezes in the core, the foam breaks down and becomes mushy(This usually takes a few winters with freezing weather). When the foam core becomes mushy the inner and outer hulls flex and accelerates the foam breakdown. This allows more free space in the core area to fill with more water(if the water entrance point was not repaired). As this process progresses along the positive bouyancy of the hull decreases. I have seen this in several BWs, but most of them were severely used and abused. Maintenance was non-existant. My question about a Florida boat with a saturated core is how did the water enter the core and has this boat always been down south? If you are thinking about purchasing a BW with a saturated core, make sure your fiberglassing skills and your patience are high.
MikeG	posted 11-08-2000 12:48 AM ET (US) Thanks for the respones. I figured nothing is unsinkable. Ex: Titanic. However, I was suprised to hear that a relatively new (7years old) BW sank in Florida. I have no real desire to purchase a Rage (especially a water logged one). I'm plenty happy with my Montauk for now and possibly a dauntless in the future. I was just curious about the article. Can the same water logged problem occur without the freeze factor? I was under the impression that the foam was closed cell, essentially containing water intrusion to only the exposed foam. I have seen a few old, beat whalers with a fair amount of exposed foam still floating high. One in particular is up in Maine and has at least 2' by 1' opening straight to foam in its side and it holds a few hundred lbs. of nets and a 25hp engine. Its been that way for at least 5-6 years. On an interesting side note, I remember reading a quick blurb about a whaler that "sank" before. Apparently a very large sailboat broke off its mooring during a storm and slammed into a pier and a house. The owner of the house also owned a whaler that was tied to the pier. He assumed the whaler was sunk in the collision. A few days later, tugs pulled the sailboat off the pier and house and up popped the whaler. It had apparently been trapped beneath the boat. Amazing. I doubt it was in great shape after an ordeal like that, but there are probably a lot of boats that would not have come back up. Mike
bigz	posted 11-08-2000 05:26 AM ET (US) As they say that Rage was sunk before it sank Z