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| B Bear |
posted 11-07-2000 12:04 AM ET (US)  
I have recently purchased a 2001 Dauntless 16 with a Honda 90 and am very happy with my rig, I know that Blackdog has a 16 and that there are a few other Dauntless owners out there. So far I have not read anything bad about these boats in the Forum by their owners. I am curious as to how many of us are there. Why did you decide on your Dauntless model and year is it. Is it new or was it used. If you are happy with your boat, which engine do have,if you have had any problems minor or major. If there are any characteristics that are shared with other boats. Is it possible that this may become a classic in the future. After all it is the people that own the boats and what they had to say about them that made the reputations. That is what made Boston Whaler. What do you think? |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-07-2000 09:34 PM ET (US)
B Bear, I bought a Dauntless 14 Feb 11 this year. 1999 with a 1999 Merc 75 2 stroke. Boat was used. 1st owner bought it 10/25/99, took out 2 - 3 times, thought it was too small for their use (fishing and tender for larger boat they had). Stored it and then traded it in for 18' in Jan/00. Bought it for its versitility; lake, sound (salt), bass, trout, salmon. Also for the bargain I got for a practically new loaded rig. Had some probs with the motor at first, poor power and hole shot. Had 21p SS prop. Dealer tried several times rebuilding carbs, fresh fuel. Finally got Merc rep to come. He went with me to the launch and said I was mistaken that pushing in on the key like a choke. He said, "let me show you the right way to start the engine". Cranked and cranked, no start. Red faced, we went back to the dealership. Ended up with a bad "enrichment valve" and wiring harness. No probs after replacing them with new ones. (Did change to a 19p aluminum prop for better "trolling, low speed" performance). I have added a LOT of enhancements to the boat to customize it for my fishing needs. I love my Dauntless. Easy to tow with small car, launch/retreive alone or with one friend. Lots of fun just "boating" with it. With the 75, trimmed in calm water 37-38 GPS, light chop 33-35GPS. Tracking is pretty good. Good storage for a small boat, just a very versitile/safe boat. Not bad for 3 fishers, just fine for 2. Would like to have larger (16-18) but for the price difference and the fact the larger I go, the less versitile it becomes for the different types of fishing I want to do. For now, my Dauntless 14 is perfect. Since BW has dropped the Dauntless 14 line, I may have a "classic" in 10 years or so. Overall, I think the Dauntless is a good line giving a lot of value and performance for the cost. Tsuriki |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-07-2000 09:44 PM ET (US)
One more thing. With the 74hp Merc (max for the Dauntless 14), at 308lb it sets low in the water. Though it came with a kicker bracket, I was afraid of putting a gas engine because of the weight. I settled on a 44lb thrust electric for fresh water trolling. I keep scupper plugs installed, taking them out them only when necessary to remove water, mostly when it is raining. The ride is very dry. I would like to have a 50hp Honda 4 stroke, but repowering now is out of the question. Tsuriki |
| B Bear |
posted 11-07-2000 11:43 PM ET (US)
Tsuriki, Fantastic, I remember seeing one at a boat show earlier this year, but they were gone by the time I bought my boat. Storage and ride in a chop is a few of the things that steered me into a Dauntless. Sounds like you have some good speed to get to where the fish are, and that size (14) would be viable to put in the garage. I too launch and recover on my own, the wife and kids mostly look at me, which helped me lean towards the 16. I imagine that you can take her where bigger boats dare not follow. You were able to add alot of enchacements customizing her to your needs. What did you do? I too think you have a classic, center consoles of that size with the capability your Dauntless has are very scarce. I just found out what a kicker was all about, and find it very interesting that yours came with a bracket for one. I knew that these could be set up with and electric trolling motor as you have done. Other than have some trouble with the engine, which has been resolved. I would also believe that running your boat is not a strain on the wallet in fuel or insurance either. I remember going out on my old 23 ft. WA for a day it was $60 in gas, and that was when it was cheap, now I can troll all day and not move my fuel gage needle. That alone saves me alot of greif from my wife, and I get to go out quite a bit more often, she now tells me to go fishing. Your boat has done everything you have wanted it to do. What can be better than that? When you do repower to a 4 stroke, you should be able to increase you range and economy. Thank you, Bear
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| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-08-2000 12:58 AM ET (US)
B Bear Thanks, When I bought the boat it had: Windshield, SS Frame around windshield, 54qt ice box with cushion, bow cushion, tilt steering. Additional items added by owner; Humminbird Paramont Wide 3D fish finder, Standard Eclipse+ VHF with tilt SS antenna, Garmin 126 GPS, heavy duty easy raise kicker motor bracket, heavy duty/long Caulkins galvanized trailer (will handle a 16' easily). Added by me; It is quite a fishing machine for its size. Having the 25 gal in hull gas tank is a joy. It is very economical. Barely squeeks into the garrage (mainly due to the oversize Calkins trailer) I can go where a lot of other small open boats won't go or take too long to get to the fishing area. Feel very safe and, yes, do enjoy the compliments I get on the boat. A Bimini type top would be nice but it must be CC mounted so I don't have to pass a fishing rod around a hull mounted support post. Also it would have to be easily removable/tiltable so I can still get the boat in the garage. This is the tough one. Would also like to get a 70/more Lb thrust saltwater electric motor for fishing in the sound. Small 16mi LCD Radar would be nice. Electronics never end. Luckily here in Washington you can fish/boat basically year round, so looking to get a lot of time in the "Yukon II" Tsuriki |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-08-2000 09:11 AM ET (US)
I am glad you two linked up. You both have a lot in common wtih you Dauntless I looked at the 14 as well. I was really sad that Whaler dropped them. My dealer has at least 2 left. Now that Mercury has the 60 four stroke I have been tempted. Just like you guys I launch and retrieve by myself a lot. My wife helps when she comes along. Unfortunately, she is prone to motion sickness and can't go out trolling on Lake Michigan with me. This is one of my concerns for getting a larger Whaler like the 18 Outrage. I will still need to handle it by myself. an older outrage 17 or Montauk 17 would probably be easier for me to handle by myself yet would be more offshore capable. plus the Montauk would roll the least of all, which would help my wife out. I have until next fall to sort all of this out. Having a choice sure is nice. |
| B Bear |
posted 11-09-2000 03:21 AM ET (US)
Tsuriki BW, Sounds like you put alot of work into her. As for your post in the other tread. $23k is not a bad price for a basicly new Dauntless 16, but as a 2000 model they might be able to go a little lower I had saw one recently as low as $21k. I know some of the reasons I purchased one are: towability, lanch and retrive alone, draft, economy, storage, and ride. besides my wife had to like it. I remember the first Dauntless I saw, it was on a National Geographic Special on Great Whites a few years ago, I never forgot it. One reason I started this topic was to hear from people like you that have these boats, not from those that just have impressions of them or just their styling. I have been compimented by Dept. of Natural Resource officers on the boat, and by people in passing at the ramps. If you have been keeping up, you shoud know that Blackdog's and my boat have certain unique manners. Some folks may not care for them or find them too small to have such new pre-owned boats, I am not sure. For myself I have been very pleased and will keep mine for a long time. As for you be sure to take a ride first, as time goes on they say you will always want a bigger boat. Just one question to you.... will you still be able to tow the new one with your car? The boat weighs 1300 + engine 300 + fuel 45 gal + gear = somewhere near 2000 + lbs. What ever you decide upon, I hope will be just right for you for now. Good Luck. |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-09-2000 08:56 AM ET (US)
B Bear, Tsuriki; I have owned a Dauntless 13. I loved the boat. Today I am going to my dealer to pick up some supplies. While I am there I will be taking a look at his remaining Dauntless 14s. Just curiosity at this stage. I have not ruled out any Whalers. I genuinely like the Dauntless line. One thought that has been running through my mind to take care of the kicker is to mount a kicker bracket and use a stern mounted electric motor. Not quite as good as a gas kicker but better than nothing. With a modern 4 stroke a kicker is not needed for trolling. I guess I misstated my real desires in my “new vs. classic” thread. I really didn’t mean to imply that I want to go offshore 10-20 miles to fish. I limit my fishing in the Great Lakes to spring and fall, when the fishing is good near shore. I don’t have the desire, time, or money to run far of shore to fish. The rest of the summer I fish in inland lakes. My wife can handle the fishing on inland lakes. It may be corny but I feel fortunate to have a wife that not only is willing to go fishing, but actually enjoys it. I love my wife and want to spend time with her on the water. So during the summer I go fishing on inland lakes. I want to run up and down the shore of Lake Michigan more than I can with my 13 Sport or Dauntless 13. Just fun day cruises in good weather, no fishing just pure fun rides. The ride is the real barrier, getting slammed around for 10 miles is no fun. On the 13 Sport or the Dauntless 13 , except a displacement speeds you almost always get pounded on Lake Michigan. there are rare days when the lake is flat, but not often. At displacement speeds it takes forever and my wife gets sick. That is why I started looking for a bigger boat. The ride quality will be better and my wife doesn’t get sick if we are on plane. What kind of ride do you guys get out of you Dauntless boats? What kind of speed do you get? Speed is only a minor concern as long as I can cruise at 25 to 30 statute MPH, I would be happy. Thanks for you input. Sean Bashaw |
| triblet |
posted 11-09-2000 10:33 AM ET (US)
I think that 2000 pound number is light. 45 gals of gas weighs about 315 pounds. 1300 pounds of boat, 300 pounds of motor, 30 pounds of battery brings it to 1945 pounds. And then add several hundred pounds of trailer, some electronics, anchor, an ice chest, and you are going to be at 2500 pounds. Chuck Tribolet |
| blackdog |
posted 11-09-2000 11:35 AM ET (US)
Triblet, Yes, I was doing the math on my 16’ Dauntless also. I noticed one day that the winch was I using was rated at 1400lbs. Needless to say I have been having a problem loading the boat. Anyway, here are my numbers. Boat = 1300 lbs Dry 115 Evinrude 373 lbs 45 gallons of gas = 8lbs per gallon ( or is that DFM) x 45 gallons = 360 lbs aprox Forgot about the battery! 30 1bs Oil tank- 5-lbs. aprox Trailer , gear……. 2,500 sounds about right if not higher. Something to consider if you wanted to move up to the Dauntless 18. I believe there was a couple of posts on BW publishing the wrong weights and dealers under sizing the trailers. Anyway that kind of swayed my decision towards the 16’. Plus I wanted to be able to launch & retrieve by myself. Sean -- To answer your questions. The ride is Very Dry, fairly smooth in small to medium chop but can get rough and you need to back off the throttle but still keep on plane. I took it out in Townsend Inlet here in New Jersey just after a hurricane went by in 4 to 6 foot rollers. Not for long but she handled it very well, only the occasional spray came in the boat. My wife and I felt very safe also, I came to my senses after a few minutes and we headed in. Speed is good. I don’t have a GPS yet but judging from B Bear’s post with the Honda 90 I think I am at 35-40 Mph range also, Perhaps better as I have the Evinrude 115. Fuel Consumption is great as I just finished my first tank after about 20 hours! I choose the Dauntless because it seemed to be a good compromise between a smooth & dry ride and ability to handle small chop and still run in swallow water. The boat layout is excellent for fishing, water sports and just going out for a cruse with the family. Blackdog |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-09-2000 03:58 PM ET (US)
Blackdog, Thanks for the feedback. I am a really good relationship with my dealer. He personally like the Montauk the best of all current Whalers. But, he told me the Dauntless 16 is a close second. The reports that he has gotten from his customers backs up what you, B Bear, and Tsuriki BW have stated about their Dauntless boats; they all like them very much. I think I will reevaluate my insitance on the kicker, which is really my only hesitancy about the Dauntless line. Like B Bear I need to handle the boat by myself at the dock. The Daunless 16, Outrage 17, or Montauk may be a the limit of what I can do reasonably by myself. If you are shopping for a GPS I have used Grmins for years. They were way ahead of the crowd for communications with PCs. That lead has shrunk considerably, but still exists. I currently own a GPS 12 Map. I really like the CD-ROMS that you can by to upload detailed maps to the GPS unit. Now if only the program would run on a Macintosh. |
| bigz |
posted 11-09-2000 04:06 PM ET (US)
Gene what hurricane? Did I miss something this year! Tom PS The Garmin's are great and also the Lowrance units with the map and sonar features --- |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-09-2000 04:07 PM ET (US)
Looks like I need a spell checker badly. Blackdog, One more thought on you last post. 4 to 6 ft. rollers on the ocean are not the same as 4 to 6 foot waves on the Great Lakes. The frequency of the waves is usually higher on Lake Michigan. A boat doesn't have as much time to go up and down. Even on my 13 Sport a lot off the time one will come over the top of one wave only to slam into the top of the next one. I don't have any experience with ocean navigation; but I have talked to other mariners that have and they confirm the difference. Just thought you might like to know. |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-09-2000 04:10 PM ET (US)
Looks like I need a spell checker badly. Blackdog, One more thought on you last post. 4 to 6 ft. rollers on the ocean are not the same as 4 to 6 foot waves on the Great Lakes. The frequency of the waves is usually higher on Lake Michigan. A boat doesn't have as much time to go up and down. Even on my 13 Sport a lot off the time one will come over the top of one wave only to slam into the top of the next one. I don't have any experience with ocean navigation; but I have talked to other mariners that have and they confirm the difference. Just thought you might like to know. |
| blackdog |
posted 11-09-2000 05:15 PM ET (US)
Tom, The Hurricane actually missed us but the waves were huge one weekend in October from the storm passing by. . (I might have exaggerated a little ) Whaletosh Thanks for the info. Those waves on the Great Lakes are big. I was in the Navy at Great Lakes Naval training center for about 18 months, although I never got out on a boat you could see the force from land. Those waves look like surf pounding the beach, I would never go in that stuff! As Clint Eastwood would say “Mans got to know his limitations” I am thinking about the Garmin 162 Chartplotter, anyone have that one?…. |
| B Bear |
posted 11-09-2000 05:27 PM ET (US)
Whaletosh, I had bought the Daunless 16 for many of the same reasons Blackdog did. Trailering: My truck dives as if it is now towing anything. Ability to handle shallows: The river I live near at times can become shallow in sopts 2-3 feet. When I had a larger boat with a 15 draft there wer times I was churning up mud and shining my prop. To be able to launch and retrive by myself: It is always easier to have two people to do this. I have found the 16 to be a good size to handle alone. Ride: When I took a test ride before buying the boat I took my wife. She got behind the helm and had a great time, she said it was like driving a car. She had been turned off to boating in her younger years when she had hurt her tailbone when her boyfriend at that time jumped a wake and sent her flying. The first time I took the family out ist was not a good day. There was a 1-2 ft chop with about 20 knots winds. We went about 30 miles round trip. Going down wind it was a smooth dry ride running at about 4000 RPM. Going back we had to reduce the RPMs, the ride was still fairly smooth and only had some spray come over once or twice with the wind when making turns. With out my wife I had plained over a small chop getting a smooth dry ride at a higher speed. In cutting turns they have been very stable and never side slipped. With the Honda 90: I have gotten great fuel economy. I have gone out on a 10 hour day, trolled 4-5 hours, moved around bottom fishing and used only about 7 gals of regular unleaded for the day. At idle,800 RPM, I troll around 3 MPH, at 4000 RPM the speed is around 24 MPH on the GPS, at 5500 RPM the speed is about 35 MPH, I have not gone full throttle yet 6000 RPM max. The Honda uses regular engine oil, 10-30 SAE. Oil changes are once/100 hrs and uses an Civic oil filter. The engine is the same design as in the Honda Civic, I have had two a 1976 Civic wagon and 1985 Civic CRX and never had a problem with either. This boat and engine has done everything I had wanted for the type of bating I do in the kinds of conditions that may come up. My wife enjoys it. I am very happy with my choice. I would suggest the you take your wife with you to test ride the models you are considering. She sounds great and her input may help you on your decision. Good Luck, Bear |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-09-2000 07:17 PM ET (US)
Tried to post this earlier but could'nt get through. B Bear: My question on the price of the 16 was just one of interest and a little dreaming. I have too much invested in my 14, $ and TLC, to think about selling it. Also just having too much fun with it. Whaletosh: With the 75, trimmed, 2 people, in calm water 37-38 GPS, light chop 33-35GPS. Ride is good, dry in chop and wind. I have not had it out in what most would call rough weather. I would trust with common sense, timing and the characteristics of the boat, I could get back to shore if the weather changed quickly. All in all, I think the Dauntless is a great line, a great boat. I'm looking forward many years of enjoyable boating/fishing with my 14. Re Garmin: The 14 came with a 126 Garmin GPS. Nice because it has it's own antenna on the top but I don't care for the lack of map capabilities. Probably would love it if I hadn't had a map version before. I have a Garmin 210 with map and love it. It does require an external antenna. I had a 4' fiperglass mast on my 17 Jet sled. The map of Puget Sound is very detailed (expensive at $365) and was soooo useful. I also have a Garmin 175 portable that also uses the maps. It is a great backup. (I took the jet sled to Japan with me when I went back my parent co., was about to order the map plug-in for the NW area of Kyushu, but came back to Seattle, selling the jet sled in Fukuoka) Garmins are great, but whatever brand you get, look seriously at one with map capability. They are definately worth the additional investment. Tsuriki |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-09-2000 07:37 PM ET (US)
Whaletosh: Regarding a kicker, I have a MinKota 44lb thrust stern electric (as well as bow). MinKota makes some very powerful electrics. Some models are designed for saltwater. I plan on looking at a high thrust saltwater version for trolling in the Sound. My 44lb works very nicely for trolling for salmon/cutthroat trout in Lake Washington and Lake Samamish, bass fishing. I have not tried in rougher conditions (wind/tide/chop in the salt) because mine are only for freshwater use. I have not checked out the latest news, but I believe MinKota makes versions pushing 100lb of thrust, fresh and saltwater versions. Good power, and of course, on the quiet side.:) I had a 9.9 Merc four stroke on my sled and it was quiet, but electric is the ultimate, if you can get the proper thrust for what you need to "push". Do the calculations, then buy the next higher thrust. I installed a second battery (deep cycle) for mainly just the electrics. Also installed a battery switch) Use 1 battery for the electrics, the main battery for electronics/starting. My thoughts. Tsuriki |
| triblet |
posted 11-10-2000 12:52 AM ET (US)
I've got a Garmin 162. I like it. It replaced my mounted Garmin 175. It's quite possible to load a bigger The whalers, trailers, trucks, and fishermen Chuck Tribolet |
| jimh |
posted 11-10-2000 08:13 AM ET (US)
Regarding GPS software and MacOS, see: [url]http://www.gpsy.com/[/url --jimh |
| jimh |
posted 11-10-2000 08:15 AM ET (US)
http://www.gpsy.com/ Still on my first cup of coffee... |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-10-2000 08:41 AM ET (US)
Jim H., I have GPSy and MacGPS Pro. They are both great programs for waypoint, track, and route management. Street Atlas 6 is another good choice. I have Street Atlas 4 and 6. However, to use the Garmin CD-ROMs for uploading the map data to my GPS 12 Map I must run Windows. I use Virtual PC running Windows 98. the Garmin CDs run just fine, including uploads and downloads. I just wish I could run the program natively on the Mac OS. I have Sawtooth G4 and use the Keyspan USB to serial adapter. All of the programs work fine with the Keyspan. |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-11-2000 02:45 AM ET (US)
Maybe we can get Medhat Karkour and Dauntlass 18 to join the thread with more info on the Dauntless they own or are planning on getting. Tsuriki Dauntless 14 |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-11-2000 02:52 AM ET (US)
Whalertosh.. Well after getting your supplies, did you check out the dealers Dauntless'? If so, what did you think? |
| Whaletosh |
posted 11-13-2000 09:50 AM ET (US)
Greg, My dealer has 2 leftover Dauntless 14s. One is without a motor, he is currently working up a price for me. He knows that this is just a matter of curiosity. What he is really intending to do with the boat is to put on one of the new Merc 60 four strokes; then sell the package next spring at the boat shows. The Dauntless 16 is on my list of possibilities. Especially witha 115 four stroke. Then so is a Montauk, Outrage 18, Outrage 17, Dauntless 17, and some of the Revenge varaints. This is going to be the last boat htat my wife will tolerate for a good long time. I can't blame her, there have been six in the last 9 years. So I really want to make a good decision. |
| blackdog |
posted 11-18-2000 04:42 PM ET (US)
I should have psoted this here. B Bear or anyone, How’s the no feed back steering on your Dauntless 16'? Very tight on my Dauntless. The rep said it was normal but I have my doubts. I meet a guy this weekend who told me that it should not be hard to steer and tight. The cause was probably a sharp bend in the rigging. Blackdog |
| blackdog |
posted 11-18-2000 04:50 PM ET (US)
P.S – I was hauling the Dauntless down to the dealer Thursday morning and I stopped to check the trailer lights. Some one pulled over and starting to ask me questions about my Dauntless. They had just left a BW dealer and had been looking at the exact same boat. Apparently the 16” is becoming very popular. What a great feeling! |
| B Bear |
posted 11-19-2000 12:30 AM ET (US)
Blackdog, The helm does feel tight,I am not sure if the friction adjustment on the the telafex steering is set like that to ensure the "no feedback feature", if need be I believe it can be adjusted. I have found it easier to maintain a straght course at low speeds than with a power steering arrangement I had with a 5.7 liter mercruser with an alpha outdrive. It also easier than an earlier telafex steering I had on another boat. I have gotten used to it and in making low speed turns the engine has remained in the postion I had set it to without wandering to either side with very little effort on my part to maintain the helm positon. This could be a safety feature, if the steering is too lose it would be easy to lose control if for some reason the wheel was to be let go. It is something to ask the dealer or BW about, I can only guess, I will ask. Bear |
| Tsuriki BW |
posted 11-19-2000 12:49 AM ET (US)
Mornin, B Bear, Haven't had a problem on my 14. A little stiff in the cold till I run it back and forth a couple of times. Would it be possible to disconnect from the engine and check for a bend? Off to a T Sun morn for salmon. Tsuriki |
| B Bear |
posted 11-19-2000 02:56 PM ET (US)
Tsuriki, I really have no experiance with the cable run through the tunnel, I would imagine that it should be possible to check for a bend. After all it must be able to be replaced if only as a maintence item. I wonder if it you could inspect the tunnel with a mirror, and if there was a bend there should be little play with the cable. Hope you get some Salmon! Bear |
| blackdog |
posted 12-05-2000 10:41 AM ET (US)
OK let’s get this Neo Forum moving again. The cause of the tightness in my no –feedback steering was that the cable was dry and needed lubrication. I haven’t tried it yet but that is what I am being told. I wonder if there was any damage or excessive wear that occurred? Blackdog |
| triblet |
posted 12-05-2000 12:37 PM ET (US)
Blackdog, install a Helmsman fitting on the steering so you can greaese the cable every 10-20 hours with a grease gun. Chuck Tribolet |
| blackdog |
posted 12-05-2000 02:41 PM ET (US)
Thanks Chuck, I will check into that. What kind of grease to your recommend? Gene |
| blackdog |
posted 12-05-2000 04:02 PM ET (US)
do you recommend. long day |
| lhg |
posted 12-07-2000 12:03 AM ET (US)
For those with tilt-tube mounted mechanical steering, or side mount hydraulic steering mounted in the tilt-tube, the Helmsman (brand) SS steering tube retaining nut, with grease fitting and o-ring seal, is highly recommended. If routinely greased and replacement seal fitted, your tilt tube corrosion problems will disappear. I would not be without this device on my engines. This $20 item, with threads (either 7/8" or 1") sized to replace the original engine nut, allows standard marine grease to be injected *behind* the o-ring seal to protect the tilt-tube. If the seal needs replacing, as it definitely will, it is easy to remove for replacement, cleaning and re-greasing (link arm will also have to removed). The grease plug behind the O-ring keeps contaminants out of the tube as the o-ring wears, and keeps lubricating the steering bar at the same time. |
| B Bear |
posted 12-07-2000 12:40 AM ET (US)
Thank you lhg and Blackdog for the information. I too will have the cable checked for lubrication and I will follow lhg's recommendation. Bear |
| triblet |
posted 12-07-2000 09:41 AM ET (US)
I use the OMC TripleGuard marine grease on on the steering cable. That's what the Evinrude service manual specs. Chuck Tribolet |
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