26 Conquest - Moderated Discussion Areas

  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
  26 Conquest

search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   26 Conquest

Mark Gallagher posted 01-11-2001 08:19 PM ET (US)
Anybody got a price on one of these ?
Looks like standard power is twin CXL 200 Optimax and optional is twin CXL 225 Optimax....

lhg posted 01-11-2001 11:25 PM ET (US)
Mark: I recently saw a Dealer selling price of about $110,000, with the 200's.
bigz posted 01-12-2001 03:52 PM ET (US)
Mark check out the recent issue of Salt Water Sportsman for a review of this machine --- all kudu's --- and as Larry said about 100 grand or so --- with the 200hp --- Tom
lhg posted 01-12-2001 04:53 PM ET (US)
Acually, I can't really understand the "niche" for this boat. I saw it displayed, out of the water, right next to the 28 Conquest, and they are so close in size as to be negligible. Only 6" narrower and foot or so shorter. Most people could not tell them apart. Not much difference in weight either. Price on the 28 is about $20,000 more. Neither boat is towable. The 28 has not been particularly successful, so maybe it's going to be discontinued. If that's the case, this new 26 would make more sense. When I first heard about the new 26 Conquest, I assumed it would be built on the trailerable 26 Outrage hull, like they had done with the 25 Outrage/Revenges. Don't know what they have in mind here.
Seems like BW did this once before, with the 1990 25 wide beam Walkaround and the 27 Walkaround. Almost the same difference in dimensions. The 25 wide beam was never a good seller, as most went for the 27's.
Incidentally, I also had the chance to see an older Whaler 27 full transom (windshield model) alongside a new 28 Conquest, and really make close comparisons. The 27 was a LOT more boat, with much more interior space.
The 27 is also 1000# lighter in weight.
But the 28 had a more modern interior to appeal to the ladies. In the old 27, the Whaler Drive is in ADDITION to the boat length. In the 28, the Euro transom detail (using up 3' of space) is included in the 28' boat length
dgp posted 01-12-2001 05:33 PM ET (US)
Larry, I just don't get it with the Euro transom on a fishing boat. Not only does it take up valuable fishing space but if you had to back down on a fish in some sloppy seas it would drive the stern deeper into the water. This is not a good design for a blue water fishing boat. Don
Dick posted 01-12-2001 07:10 PM ET (US)
Saw the new 26CQ today at the Seattle boat show. Not my kind of boat but it looked good. The dealer had it show priced at $119,395.00 with twin 200 Mercs.
lhg posted 01-12-2001 07:55 PM ET (US)
Don: About 5 years ago, when BW had no Euro styled boats, a longtime Dealer told me that with Sea Ray coming in, everything was going to be Euro, period, no other options being considered. This is the Sea Ray style and it has worked for them, so it was going to be implemented for Whaler also. He, too, was disgusted with the idea, but said we'd have to live with it. His information back at that time was obviously correct. He was told that this style allows for much cheaper production costs in the transom area, which is comprised of liner panels under this type of design. So that is the price of progress.
I agree, it's impossible for fishing, particularly if 4 downriggers are being used as they are in the Great Lakes. I do note, however, that the new Whaler 34 has gone back to the traditional transom, as has the new 13 footer. I commend them for this decision.
It looks most ridiculous on the new Dauntless line, where the "droop" is only a few inches.
Why bother at all? It certainly does not enhance the look of the boats. Actually detracts from them, making them look like every other cheap boat on the market, even though they are a much better product than most. Whaler's traditional and famous distinctiveness for innovative design is long gone.
Eventually, this "design team" (as opposed to Naval Architects) gimmick will wear out, and begin to look trite, and new forms will appear in the boat design business.
I wonder when we're going to get aircraft carriers, light cruisers and destroyers with Euro Transoms? Hopefully never!
Peter posted 01-12-2001 08:28 PM ET (US)
I was at the NYC show yesterday and Sea Ray had a very large display of its products. Many of the BW models were there. My friend who is an avid fisherman loved the Whalers but would never buy one because of the euro transom. They clearly gobble up too much precious cockpit space. I am personally dispointed with the very small cabin size on the 23 Conquest. I think they had to compromise the cabin size to make up for the lost space caused by the euro transom.
Regarding distinctiveness and innovation, Dougherty's Edgewater has come out with its first cuddy cabin boat, the 225 Express. Hull No. 1 debuted at the NYC show. Decent room in the cabin, a sliding two person starboard biased bench for the helm, another rear facing bench behind that, and another bench at the transom. The seating arrangement creates a port side aisle to get unobstructed access to the cabin and several storage drawers along the aisle. The cockpit layout shows they were thinking outside of the box for a boat in this class. It will be interesting to see how this does.
Mark Gallagher posted 01-12-2001 08:28 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info guys....I am kinda thinking about a 23 Conquest in a few years and was wondering what the 26 was going for;
quite a jump in price over the 23. 110 to 120 K is an expensive rig. My wife said "if you get a bigger boat be sure you can live on it....by yourself" ..maybe I should look at the 28 in that case..Ha Ha I also agree that the Euro transon detracts from these boats. My 95 Dauntless 17 still has a straight transom. I prefer that look. Mark
dgp posted 01-12-2001 09:27 PM ET (US)
Larry, if you want to see the future in US Naval Warship design go to http://dd21.crane.navy.mil/dd21/program/zumwalt1.htm
Since it's so stealthy I'm sure it will have a Euro fantail. Don
lhg posted 01-13-2001 11:18 AM ET (US)
Regarding the Edgewaters, a friend knows the President of Edgewater Boats quite well, and I was under the impression that Dougherty no longer owns the company, nor is involved much any longer. Maybe someone else here could confirm or deny this. Next time I see him, I'll ask if this is the situation.
I like most of the Edgewaters. When I see them coming toward me, I often mistake them for a Whaler. And I notice that many Edgewater owners often identify with the Classic Whalers owners. I get a lot of waves from them as they pass by. Nice looking boats.
Peter posted 01-13-2001 11:46 AM ET (US)
It would be interesting to know whether Dougherty was involved with the design of the new 225 hull because it doesn't have the same smirk lines that the rest of the fleet has. I have long associated the Edgewater's smirk with Dougherty.

Hop to:

Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.

Author	Topic: 26 Conquest
Mark Gallagher	posted 01-11-2001 08:19 PM ET (US) Anybody got a price on one of these ? Looks like standard power is twin CXL 200 Optimax and optional is twin CXL 225 Optimax....
lhg	posted 01-11-2001 11:25 PM ET (US) Mark: I recently saw a Dealer selling price of about $110,000, with the 200's.
bigz	posted 01-12-2001 03:52 PM ET (US) Mark check out the recent issue of Salt Water Sportsman for a review of this machine --- all kudu's --- and as Larry said about 100 grand or so --- with the 200hp --- Tom
lhg	posted 01-12-2001 04:53 PM ET (US) Acually, I can't really understand the "niche" for this boat. I saw it displayed, out of the water, right next to the 28 Conquest, and they are so close in size as to be negligible. Only 6" narrower and foot or so shorter. Most people could not tell them apart. Not much difference in weight either. Price on the 28 is about $20,000 more. Neither boat is towable. The 28 has not been particularly successful, so maybe it's going to be discontinued. If that's the case, this new 26 would make more sense. When I first heard about the new 26 Conquest, I assumed it would be built on the trailerable 26 Outrage hull, like they had done with the 25 Outrage/Revenges. Don't know what they have in mind here. Seems like BW did this once before, with the 1990 25 wide beam Walkaround and the 27 Walkaround. Almost the same difference in dimensions. The 25 wide beam was never a good seller, as most went for the 27's. Incidentally, I also had the chance to see an older Whaler 27 full transom (windshield model) alongside a new 28 Conquest, and really make close comparisons. The 27 was a LOT more boat, with much more interior space. The 27 is also 1000# lighter in weight. But the 28 had a more modern interior to appeal to the ladies. In the old 27, the Whaler Drive is in ADDITION to the boat length. In the 28, the Euro transom detail (using up 3' of space) is included in the 28' boat length
dgp	posted 01-12-2001 05:33 PM ET (US) Larry, I just don't get it with the Euro transom on a fishing boat. Not only does it take up valuable fishing space but if you had to back down on a fish in some sloppy seas it would drive the stern deeper into the water. This is not a good design for a blue water fishing boat. Don
Dick	posted 01-12-2001 07:10 PM ET (US) Saw the new 26CQ today at the Seattle boat show. Not my kind of boat but it looked good. The dealer had it show priced at $119,395.00 with twin 200 Mercs.
lhg	posted 01-12-2001 07:55 PM ET (US) Don: About 5 years ago, when BW had no Euro styled boats, a longtime Dealer told me that with Sea Ray coming in, everything was going to be Euro, period, no other options being considered. This is the Sea Ray style and it has worked for them, so it was going to be implemented for Whaler also. He, too, was disgusted with the idea, but said we'd have to live with it. His information back at that time was obviously correct. He was told that this style allows for much cheaper production costs in the transom area, which is comprised of liner panels under this type of design. So that is the price of progress. I agree, it's impossible for fishing, particularly if 4 downriggers are being used as they are in the Great Lakes. I do note, however, that the new Whaler 34 has gone back to the traditional transom, as has the new 13 footer. I commend them for this decision. It looks most ridiculous on the new Dauntless line, where the "droop" is only a few inches. Why bother at all? It certainly does not enhance the look of the boats. Actually detracts from them, making them look like every other cheap boat on the market, even though they are a much better product than most. Whaler's traditional and famous distinctiveness for innovative design is long gone. Eventually, this "design team" (as opposed to Naval Architects) gimmick will wear out, and begin to look trite, and new forms will appear in the boat design business. I wonder when we're going to get aircraft carriers, light cruisers and destroyers with Euro Transoms? Hopefully never!
Peter	posted 01-12-2001 08:28 PM ET (US) I was at the NYC show yesterday and Sea Ray had a very large display of its products. Many of the BW models were there. My friend who is an avid fisherman loved the Whalers but would never buy one because of the euro transom. They clearly gobble up too much precious cockpit space. I am personally dispointed with the very small cabin size on the 23 Conquest. I think they had to compromise the cabin size to make up for the lost space caused by the euro transom. Regarding distinctiveness and innovation, Dougherty's Edgewater has come out with its first cuddy cabin boat, the 225 Express. Hull No. 1 debuted at the NYC show. Decent room in the cabin, a sliding two person starboard biased bench for the helm, another rear facing bench behind that, and another bench at the transom. The seating arrangement creates a port side aisle to get unobstructed access to the cabin and several storage drawers along the aisle. The cockpit layout shows they were thinking outside of the box for a boat in this class. It will be interesting to see how this does.
Mark Gallagher	posted 01-12-2001 08:28 PM ET (US) Thanks for the info guys....I am kinda thinking about a 23 Conquest in a few years and was wondering what the 26 was going for; quite a jump in price over the 23. 110 to 120 K is an expensive rig. My wife said "if you get a bigger boat be sure you can live on it....by yourself" ..maybe I should look at the 28 in that case..Ha Ha I also agree that the Euro transon detracts from these boats. My 95 Dauntless 17 still has a straight transom. I prefer that look. Mark
dgp	posted 01-12-2001 09:27 PM ET (US) Larry, if you want to see the future in US Naval Warship design go to http://dd21.crane.navy.mil/dd21/program/zumwalt1.htm Since it's so stealthy I'm sure it will have a Euro fantail. Don
lhg	posted 01-13-2001 11:18 AM ET (US) Regarding the Edgewaters, a friend knows the President of Edgewater Boats quite well, and I was under the impression that Dougherty no longer owns the company, nor is involved much any longer. Maybe someone else here could confirm or deny this. Next time I see him, I'll ask if this is the situation. I like most of the Edgewaters. When I see them coming toward me, I often mistake them for a Whaler. And I notice that many Edgewater owners often identify with the Classic Whalers owners. I get a lot of waves from them as they pass by. Nice looking boats.
Peter	posted 01-13-2001 11:46 AM ET (US) It would be interesting to know whether Dougherty was involved with the design of the new 225 hull because it doesn't have the same smirk lines that the rest of the fleet has. I have long associated the Edgewater's smirk with Dougherty.