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Honda 40 HP on the way!
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|2001 13 Sport Owner||
posted 04-25-2001 01:45 PM ET (US)
I purchased a 13 Sport with a Mercury 25HP
4-Stroke last January. After taking it out for the first time with another person, I was really disappointed with the performance of the engine. It was slow to plan and would reach a top speed of around 24 to 25 MPH with 2 people. Too add to my disappointment, the engine was leaking oil. After taking it back to the dealer twice, I finally learned that the dealer had overfilled the engine with oil. The engine had a about 3/4 of quart too much oil in the engine. After talking to many people on this board, I found out that trying to get extra performance out of a 25HP engine would yield only minimum performance results. I also learned that Boston Whaler had recently added the addition of a Mercury 40HP 4-Stroke to the prepackaged lineup. Many on the forum questioned weather or not the boat could handle the extra weight of the 40HP 4-Stroke. Awares (a member on the forum) purchased a 13 Sport with 40HP 4-Stroke and said the extra engine weight was no problem and the boat ran in the 34 to 35MPH range. So I finally decided to upgrade to more horsepower. This sounded easy enough, but I found out that it was difficult to find a dealer who would actually do a trade-in. I wanted to trade up to a Mercury 40HP 4-Stroke, but I could not find a Mercury dealer who was willing to work a fair deal. Finally talked to a Honda Dealer who was willing to make a fair deal on a 2001 Honda 40HP. The Honda engine's weight is almost identical to the Mercury's engine weight and the Honda engine is 808CCs compared to the Mercury's 747ccs. So, I finally took the boat in this morning to do the upgrade. I will let you know my thoughts on the new engine once I have a chance to take it out for the first time. Also, I do not know much about Honda engines and would like your thoughts if any on the Honda engine line. Thanks!
posted 04-25-2001 10:53 PM ET (US)
I have a Honda 90 on my 16 Dauntless, installed by the dealer. I know this engine is based on the Civic engine. I have had two Civics a 76 Civic wagon (while I was in school) and a 85 Civic CRX later on. the pwer plants in these cars never gave me any trouble. I also had a friend from Canada that rode his Honda 750 fro Canada to Southern Cal to the bottom of Florida back up the East Coast and back home to Vancover Island BC around 1976 without a problem. Honda marine engines may not be the most advanced at this stage of the game, it has a proven track record that has gained it a well deserved reputation as a solid, reliable, dependable, efficent engine. Easy to change the oil and oil filter, easy to maintain. Also the warrenty may only be for 3 years, it is not a declining warrenty where certian items are dropped as the time moves on as with some other engines.
I am very happy with mine.
|2001 13 Sport Owner||
posted 04-26-2001 10:25 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the input. I have noticed that alot of people on the forum are not very enthusiastic about Honda engines. Here is a comment about the Honda engines from another topic on this forum: "Second, Honda is having a tough go in the marine market because of overheat problems by using their car engines in outboard motors. Their aluminum alloy is designed for an ethelene-glycol based coolant not salt water, so corrosion is a big problem." I have looked all over the web and I have not seen any other comments about overheating and corrision. Since it is not a huge investment, I will go ahead and take my chances and see how the Honda perfroms.Any other comments welcome! Thanks!
posted 04-26-2001 05:41 PM ET (US)
I have a honda 90' on a 96 montauk. I have only owned and used it last season. I was very happy with the performance and reliability. "You will love the way it sounds". A very good friend of mine is an outboard motor technician, his experience is with honda is very positive and he wouldn't own anything else.
A little costly, but well worth it in my opinion.
posted 04-26-2001 05:54 PM ET (US)
You asked for thoughts and that's what most of the correspondance on our forum is. IMHO, Honda will be the outboard business in 20 years. The corrosion and overheating was a new one on me. Honda has been making outboards for many years and has had to deal with the salt water issue before. They are one of the most respected manufactures of engines on the planet. While I have a load of respect for Honda, I could not afford one on my 15. Too heavy, too powerful (75hp) and too expensive for my situation. Instead, I bought a new Tohatsu at 250lbs and 70hp. I almost bought the 200lb 50hp Honda, but thought that I might miss the extra 20hp. The next model up was the 370lb 75hp. You will be very happy.
posted 04-26-2001 06:19 PM ET (US)
JJT & SurburbanBoy are on the money. Honda was the first with four stroke outboards. If there had been any problem like that everyone would have known,and they would not have the excellent reputation they have now. These engines have been around for a long time.
posted 04-26-2001 08:34 PM ET (US)
What amazes me about the opening post is that someone with a new Boston Whaler, with a mandatory Mercury engine, couldn't make a reasonable trade-in deal with the selling Boston Whaler/Mercury Dealer(isn't this the reason given for buying locally - supporting the local economy, great service when you need it, etc?). I would assume a "loose, used" 25HP four stroke would be an easy engine for a Dealer to re-sell.
I would think that if a customer is unhappy with the combined product (not enough power), BW/Mercury would go out of their way to satisfy here. Huge profits don't always have to be made in a situation like this. (look at the mess OMC Dealers are in trying to save thier customers) They should have made a GREAT deal for one of their "package" customers to correct a mistake. And quite frankly, part of the mistake was Whaler's/Mercury, by even offering such an underpowered package. They must have tested this rig and known about it. Letting an unsatisfied customer with a new Whaler walk over to the competition is just plain stupid!
posted 04-27-2001 12:03 AM ET (US)
It is a funny thing about "marketing" but the easiest customer to get is the one you already have. I would think that customers that are driven away from a brand are very unlikely to come back.
On the other hand, 25-HP on a Whaler-13 would be enough for plenty of people.
Chris's aunt used to have a 13-Classic with a 25-HP old 2-stroke and they could water ski behind it.
posted 04-27-2001 06:48 AM ET (US)
I agree with Jim. I have a 13 Sport with the 25 HP 4-stroke. I am happy with the perfromance. I am sure if I were a skier I wouldn't be. But for just running around or fishing the boat is fine.
p.s. as some of you are aware I am selling my 13 Sport. The perfromance of the motor is not one of the reasons.
|2001 13 Sport Owner||
posted 04-27-2001 11:48 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the replys. I must mention that the dealer did his best to sway me towards the 40HP 2-Stroke which was the only other package being offered at the time. The only blame I can place on the dealer is that his mechanic cost me several weeks of downtime because he overfilled the engine with oil. After taking it out the first time, the engine started to smoke and oil was leaking from all areas of the engine. I took it in to the dealer and he said the oil fill cap was left loose. His mechanic tightened the oil fill cap. I picked up the boat and went out again. Same thing happened! Took it to another Merc dealer and said Whaler Dealer had overfilled the engine with oil.
Also, I am sure 25HP may be great for some people. It just did not work for me. With 2 adults weighing 185 pounds each and two ice chests and fishing gear, it just did not perform satisfactory for my tastes. With just me in the boat, it ran pretty nice. Performance comes down to personal preference. Some people would say that a car that can go from 0-60mph in 9 seconds is plenty fast. Others may say that particular car is really slow! Once again, thanks for the feedback!
posted 04-28-2001 08:33 AM ET (US)
The loose oil cap story above is a reminder to check everything a mechanic does for you. I have found wrenches left under the cowling... stripped bolts... loose wiring etc..etc.. I never assume that they do anything right (or with care) and am usually correct... beware, be careful and do it yourself if at all possible!!! Whew, .. glad to get that off my chest! As to 4 stroker outboards, I owned a 4 stroke/7 1/2hp Lawson back in the mid 50's... it weighed more than I did as I recall but ran beautifully and was air and water cooled.. also had a bracket that would allow 360 degree steering but had neutral. The saga continues! Happy Whalin'.. Clark
posted 05-01-2001 06:34 PM ET (US)
2001 13 Sprot Owner,
Here is a word of caution. Please check with your dealer on the prop nut torque. On my 2000 Honda 90 the prop nut torque is 1 ft/lb or less. This is a far cry from the older Honda models and other mnufacturer's specs where the prop nut torque can be 50 to 55 ft/lb. If you ever need to change the prop this is pretty important.
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