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Blackeagle posted 05-10-2001 02:23 AM ET (US)   Profile for Blackeagle   Send Email to Blackeagle  
Could anyone give me some idea of the similarities/differences in hull form & riding quality between these two boats?
hauptjm posted 05-10-2001 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Man, did you open Pandora's box with this one! Actually, I'll approach from a classic owners perspective.

Classic: Rougher ride, more stable at rest in a sea, more working foot space for fishing or whatever, less enclosed/dry storage, more teak/yacht trimming, lighter more efficient hull.

Modern: Smoother ride overall, less stable at rest, considerably more storage capacity with less foot space, no teak or traditional yacht type finishing, heavier overall.

Conclusion: Both are extremely high quality vessels. Fit and finish are the best you'll find compared to any of their contemporaries. Comparing them to each other is harder, because in some ways they were made for different buyers. Alot has been bantered about regarding one being better than the other; I think I disagree. They are just different. The modern boats have a great sales record and the dollar runs the show.

lhg posted 05-10-2001 12:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The Classic Outrage 18 is an offshore boat, the Dauntless 18 is an inshore boat.
Whaletosh posted 05-10-2001 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    

A genuine question, how does one differentiate between and offshore and an inshore boat?


lhg posted 05-10-2001 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'm just quoting BW. They advertize the Dauntless series as an inshore boat, their words, not mine.

But I do remember an outing on Lake Erie, waves running about 4', and the BW rep, out in a new Dauntless 18', was the last one back to the marina, looking beat and saying "wow, that sure doesn't handle those waves like an 18 Outrage!"

jimh posted 05-11-2001 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Dauntless series has lower gunwales than the classic Outrage. This may be part of the inshore -vs- offshore distinction.

I think the Dauntless hull looks more like the classic twin sponson hull than any of the current AccuTrack style hulls. At least in the bow it seems to have the "smirk" look.

I've never been out in a Dauntless.

I was pretty impressed with the way the 18-Outrage handled Georgian Bay's 60 miles of open water. (See my comments in the RENDEZVOUS section, /whaler/rendezvous/ .


lhg posted 05-11-2001 01:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Jim - also don't forget the way the JimG's 18 Outrage handled the 8' quartering head seas between White Lake and Muskegon, on Lake Michigan, last Fall. He was able to keep up with me in the 25! (Cetacea Page 20)
Whaletosh posted 05-11-2001 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    

Thanks for the clarification on why you make your statements. I have problem expressing myself in e-mails and forum posts. I wasn't challanging your statement, as a matter of fact I have gained much knowledge from you and BigZ over the past year. I just honestlty don't know what the distinction between inshore and offshore is.

Jim helped clear this up. I suspect that the Outrage series (new ones) also have deeper-Vs and heavier laminate schedules in addition to the higher gunwales.

Based on what Larry and others have stated I am now getting the impression that the Dauntless 14 that I am in the process of buying is going to be a pretty good match for my desires. I have come the the conclusion that what I was considering as offshore is really inshore. Coupled with the fact that I go to some really small inland lakes as well a smaller boat makes great sense. Plus it will fit in garage, and most of all my wife likes the Dauntless 14.


lhg posted 05-11-2001 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Sean - Have you thoroughly investigated the reason (which I don't know) as to why the boat was so quickly discontinued. On any boat investment, that can be a red flag for future resale. Are you buying a new "leftover" model, or is someone else quickly re-selling, also an issue as to why.
bigz posted 05-11-2001 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Sean, after reading your post over the months can realize that you have given plenty of thought in your selection. I for one thank you for sharing your reasoning with us and know you'll be more than happy with her.

You made the decision based solely on your needs and dang if that isn't the way it ought to be.

Sincerely, congratulations for just not blindly taking others advice which in some cases reflect more their personal desires and/or prejudices to which they believe all should be subjected (not a criticism just a part of some folks nature). Instead doing your homework filtering the input and making your decision based solely on your situation and need. Tom.

Whaletosh posted 05-11-2001 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaletosh    
I am moving my dauntless decison to new thread.

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