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Bob D posted 06-07-2001 11:45 AM ET (US)   Profile for Bob D   Send Email to Bob D  
I was reading the post on the Dougherty designed whalers and was wondering if the "96" Meridian ownership 19 Outrage was one designed by Dougherty? They still produce the boat today under Brunswick as the 19 Justice. TIA
reelescape1 posted 06-07-2001 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
I used to have a 96 19 w/200 yam. I've had a 86 18 w/150 yam, and now have a 90 22 twin 88's. The 19 was the worse riding whaler I've ever been in. The boat wanted to porpoise BAD! From what I understand, they had the length/weight ratio off when they designed it, and supposedly only made that hull 2 years. Nice boat other than that, I didn't keep it long enough to try tabs or fins.
lhg posted 06-07-2001 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I believe Dougherty had nothing to do with the boat, and it was designed by the team brought in by VanLancker. It was billed as THE boat to replace the old, out of date Classic 18, which had evolved into the Dougherty outer hull/Van Lancker inner hull 19' Outrage II. It never did! I agree with "reelscape", not a great boat! It was also built in a Ventura 20 form. These boat models were put on "fire sale" by Brunswick when they took over, to get rid of excess inventory at factory and Dealerships. I'm surprised it is is still in the CPD lineup.
Bob D posted 06-07-2001 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bob D  Send Email to Bob D     
Wow! That's interesting. I've never had a bit of trouble with porpoising. The boat would tend to come up high in the bow on hole shots and I ended up going with a one piece Whale Tail on the cavitation plate of the motor. I'm now going to replace that with trim tabs. As far as rough ride goes the older 18 would pounded you to death in chop compared to this boat. This isn't quite as stable while fishing at a stand still though. A while back I spoke to a dealer on this model. He told me that the reason they did away with the 19(19'8") was that it was less then one foot shorter then the 21 (20'7") and it didn't have the euro design. People were buying the 19 over the 21. So they dropped it from the recreation line and picked it up in the commercial end as the justice. They re-introduced the 18 (17'?") Outrage the same year. That is now gone from their outrage line.
Translation posted 06-07-2001 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Translation    
The 19 Outrage II as it was called was a reconfig of the original 18 O/R hull. They moved the console, and changed the transom. The first 19 Outrage II had a console which was hinged at the middle, intended as a feature so owners could get them into grarages, and the lower part of the console was part of the mold. I spent a bunch of time on them and they porpoised badly depending on how the dealer hung the motor.
lhg posted 06-07-2001 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
JimH has done a nice article, with pictures, on the 19' Outrage II in the Rendezvous section.
lpaton posted 06-08-2001 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for lpaton  Send Email to lpaton     
My 19' 1996 Outrage III does not have a rough ride. It has a tendency to porpose when tank is full at WOT but am able to correct with trim. Not as stable as older whalers for fishing. The drawback I find is that it is stern heavy and is not happy when 4 fishermen are aft of console.
schollis posted 06-24-2002 01:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for schollis  Send Email to schollis     
Is this the same boat as a 95 Outrage 19.?
What is the better hull a '95 or a 2000 (18')?

phatwhaler posted 06-24-2002 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
I have a '96 OR and it does porpoise in a chop if I go too slow. It does need some trim tabs. (On my work list) With four dive tanks and two sets of scuba gear in front of the console it rides much better. Other wise my only other complaint is a lack of deck space. With the leaning post/livewell, cooler in front of console, and that dumb a$$ splash well guard there isn't much space left on the boat. But I got a reeeeeel good deal on the boat so I'll live with these shortcomings. Anyway, hopefully I can pass the boat on to my brother soon and step up to a 25 Contender. :-)

phatwhaler out.

JustFish posted 06-28-2002 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustFish  Send Email to JustFish     
Oh no....I am seatrialing a 19 Justice next Wednesday.

I was at the factory Tuesday and was told this was the 19/20 Outrage built from '97 to '00. It is LOA 19'8" (called the 19 in 1997 and the 20 thereafter) and I am getting confused on this thread.

I certainly don't want to purchase the worst-riding whaler ever manufactured. I spoke with the guy who supervised the recreational production line of this boat and his opinion was that this was the best one made. His comment was in response to an email I sent regarding the new 210 vs. the 21 Outrage (just discontinued)....

Please - someone clear this up.....

jimh posted 07-01-2002 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[The more recent postings to this thread were made in June, 2002. A software glitch displays the year incorrectly--jimh.]

Let us know how the sea trial goes. It does seem a bit hard to keep track of some of these models that have undergone name changes or length designation changes.

JustFish posted 07-01-2002 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustFish  Send Email to JustFish     
Will do......

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