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I picked up my Dauntless 14 Friday
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posted 06-10-2001 06:02 PM ET (US)
I ran it around Gull Lake for 4 hours on Friday and Gun Lake on Saturday for another 4 hours.
It is everything I was expecting. Much better ride than any prior boat. Very nimble. Plenty of room. Love having a back rest again. The tilt steering is a blessing.
The Mercury 4-stroke 60 HP motor is a Swiss watch. Smooth at idle. Starts instantly. Very quiet. Sips gas. Sounds very nice, a low rumble instead of a high pitch whine.
Initial performance with a 10 by 13 4 blade Comprop (all statute figures, GPS obtained):
Me on boat alone:
0-20 MPH less than 10 seconds
Planes in 5 to 6 seconds.
Stays on plane at 15-16 MPH
Cruises nicely 25-30 MPH (anywhere in that range is great!)
Top speed is 35.5 MPH
Now for the one nagging problem:
Performance with 2 adults is hampered.
But getting out of the hole is difficult. We needed to sometimes stand up and sit back down once on plane. Since we didn't shift our weight dramatically and since it will plane somtimes without moving I figure we just need to tweak the prop some. The boat really squats when I hit the throttle.
I have already ordered a 3 blade aluminum Michigan Wheel; 10-5/8 by 12. It is only costing me $80 new delivered to my door. That should help. I really don't want to use a hydrofoil unless absolutely neccessary. A stainless prop will be better but I want to get better feel for the needed parameters. The dealer will help me if needed. I have also e-mailed Whaler tech support. The ran 50 HP Mercury 4-strokes on the boats in the brochures, they probably can give me specifics.
Other than the planing problem it is great. I will solve the planing problem, and once I do I will finally have the boat I have always dreamed of.
Thanks to everone on this board that helped me with this. Especially:
posted 06-10-2001 10:17 PM ET (US)
Congrdulations! Just in time for Summer, Good fishing!
That propeller should make a difference.
posted 06-10-2001 10:20 PM ET (US)
Forgive me, I just can't speel today.
posted 06-11-2001 09:31 AM ET (US)
Sean great news and congratulations. I know you all will be very happy "campers" this summer.
Keep us posted on how your performance tweaks turn out.
posted 06-11-2001 12:12 PM ET (US)
I think I seen a picture in one of my
catalogs.Center console,bow rail,25 Gal.
built in gas tank.
posted 06-11-2001 02:42 PM ET (US)
I'm sure you will enjoy this new Whaler for a long time...you really did a great job of researching what was available along with defining your own specific needs.
I'll look forward to running into you (hopefully not literally) somewhere in West Michigan...
posted 06-11-2001 05:18 PM ET (US)
Thanks Sean, and good luck with you`re new Whaler! I can`t understand Whaler not making that model anymore? Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 06-11-2001 06:14 PM ET (US)
Enjoy your Whaler!
posted 06-11-2001 08:15 PM ET (US)
I just got an e-mail from Chuck Bennet. The (Boston Whaler) used 10-3/8 by 14 aluminum props on their test Dauntless 14s when equipped with a Mercury 50 HP 4-stroke. Looks to me that the problem is the Copmrop. I will be talking with my dealer this week and se if he could let my try some different props. I be this will solve all of the problems.
To Ed Stone:
The built in gas tank, low towing waieght, and easy garaging were some of the features that I used to decide on this boat.
To Ventura 16;
Once I get the tweaking done maybe we could have mini West Michigan get together.
posted 06-11-2001 11:07 PM ET (US)
Find some thin water to cruise over there, like Saugatuk or Lake Macatawa and I'll drive over in with my 15-Sport. We can have a SW Michigan Rendezvous for smaller Whalers, eh?
posted 06-12-2001 12:56 PM ET (US)
I am already shceduled to be on vacation the last week of August and the first week of September.
I have pretty aeasy time getting a day off from work.
jim if you have never been on Gull Lake we may want to consider that. I am for any Lake Michigan port from St. joe to Grand Haven as well.
Give me a couple of weeks and I will get things rolling.
Maybe somebody could start a West Michigan post in the redevous (sp) section.
posted 06-12-2001 02:28 PM ET (US)
Sean - thanks for including me in your list!
As you know, I can be highly opinionated about propellers, so don't be offended if you disagree, but I think Comp-Props are nothing but junk, usable only as a "get home" spare. Those props have no blade strength and will "flex out" under load, killing performance. Even aluminum props will do this at higher speeds. With such a nice new (expensive) rig, it seems a prop is not the place to save, and I would go with the new 4 blade SS Trophy Sport, or at least a Merc Vengeance. I don't think even an aluminum prop is going to give you the best out of that engine.
Besides Boston Whaler, you might also try Mercury for proping information. I know that for the new Sport 13, Merc is recommending the Trophy Sport prop. Somebody else posting here has just purchased one of these props. Try locating him and getting his opinion. I think they cost about $300. Tell your dealer you want to test one of these. He'll make a sale!
posted 06-12-2001 04:20 PM ET (US)
I gotta chime in on the composite or aluminum props: best use is in the console as a backup to your SS prop. Larry, is 100% dead-on. I saw a video several years ago at the N.O. Boat Show comparing all materials, under load, filmed in very high quality slow motion. This was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. The outboard engine isn't the most efficient use or conversion of energy in the first place. Why make it even more inefficient?
posted 06-13-2001 04:54 PM ET (US)
I am running a 17p 3 blade aluminum on my 75 Merc 2 stroke. (came with a 4 blade 21p SS) I get better hole shot with the 17 and almost wish I had a 19p.
Anyway, you got mail.
Dauntless 14...and now there are 2!
posted 06-13-2001 08:04 PM ET (US)
Well it turns ot that the Comprop was the problem. Which is okay because I never wanted to keep it as the primary prop anyway. The blades don't have any cupping, and probably do flex way to much. Besides this and another prop are just left overs from another boat so I didn't plunk down any money on them specifically for this boat.
I tried a Quicksilver (Mercury) aluminum today. What a difference. Much better planing. 35 MPH statute MPH top speed at 5850 RPM, which is the revised top speed Mercury is recomending for the 50/60 HP 4-stokes. Cruises beautifully anywhare from 4000 to 5000 RPM, which is 16 to 29 MPH.
I know you are opininated, I can be too. I haven't been offended by anything you have stated. I haven't always agreed, but never been offended. I highly value you opinion even if I take a different path than you would. As far as Comprops go I wouldn't say they were junk, but limited in usefullness. They can work well on some boats, clearly not on mine. I will be keeping mine as spare, which is the role they originally were intended for. In this way they work well fo a lot of boaters. They a light which makes changing them on the water easier. They also aren't as likely to ding up you boat, or worse oneself while handling them. Plus they are inexpensive insurance.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the Trophy Sport. It is on my shopping list. A 4-blade SS prop should be even better at hole shot and top speed. I may be able to move up an inch or 2 in pitch. Greg (Tsuriki BW) runs a 17 pitch Al. with a 75 HP 2-stroke. So I figure I have some more "go" in mine I know my dealer put one on his father's Montauk with 50 4-stroke and he loves it.
At this point many of some of you are probably asking why I don't let the dealer do all of this homework. In fact he is willing to do so; he has told me so on all 3 of the Whalers he has sold me. The converations I have had with other cutomers bear out what a consumate pro he is. The reason he doesn't for me is that I like doing this stuff myself. I enjoy it. Sure it costs me some time a little bit of money, but I enjoy the challenge and I end knowing my boat very well in the end.
I also end up with some different wheels that I keep around to change out for different conditions. Like when I take out my siblings and their posse of hoodlums (er children), putting on a smaller pitch prop makes tubing and hauling around a bunch more people easier. Or when I do my spring and fall fishing trips I can jump a little in pitch and gain a little speed for getting out and back.
Everybody has to have hobbies, mine are biking, fishing/boating, and a Macintosh computer. So I can dedicate a lot of time to each. I hope this clears up this; it is my choice to do all the tweaking, not a dealer imposed mandate.
posted 06-13-2001 09:55 PM ET (US)
As was discussed earlier in this topic, I just started a new topic in the Rendezvous section for a Whaler-fest in West Michigan.
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