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Help choosing a boat
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posted 07-21-2001 12:29 PM ET (US)
I have been trying to decide which boat and which model will work best for my needs and would appreciate any feedback that you might provide. My first concern is towing. I tow a 30' 5th wheel plus my boat. I had to get a commercial license to do this. Right now I tow a 14' inflatable with a Honda 50. I used to dive alot, but now I prefer fishing, so I'm ready for a center console. Given weight and length issues, I can't go over 18-19'. Second, I fish mostly in the bays, but go offshore as well. Initially I was thinking of a Montauk, but have decided that it is too wet and not suited for offshore use. I was considering a Dauntless, but I've read on this forum that they aren't that great for offshore use. I was thinking of an classic outrage, but because I sometimes go to Lake Tahoe, I'll need a 4 stroke motor and would most likely have to repower an older outrage. I like Whalers because I can buy them locally and will have dealer support, but it doesn't seem like they have the model right for me. I've seriously considered the Edgewater and the Mako also, but will have to ship across the US and won't have a dealer to help me out. I want to make sure I'm making the right decision before I plunk down the money. Your experiences and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
posted 07-21-2001 12:40 PM ET (US)
As the owner of a Montauk powered with a Merc 50 HP 4 stroke, I think this would be the ideal boat. True it can be a wet ride, but it is at home on a lake or offshore. Probably the most boat with the lightest tow weight around.
posted 07-21-2001 07:05 PM ET (US)
Maybe the one to talk to would be andygere, he has a Montauk and his father has a Dauntless 16. They both go out in the Monterey Bay, which is for all intents and purposes is like going offshore. He has a thread in this forum, if you are considerng new. If you are considering an older Whaler maybe a 17 or 18 Outrage may just be the ticket.
posted 07-21-2001 09:04 PM ET (US)
My experience with the Montauk is that it is a great ride with 2 people. Dry as a bone. With 4 people, at less than planing speed, or a quatering sea....a different story. It depends on what you are planning to do with it, I suppose. I would think that a Montauk with a spray dodger would do nicely for you. It is so easy to haul, I sometimes forget that I have a boat behind the car.
The Montauk is an elegantly simple boat that will go wherever you want. I have been out on mine in some big water ( Gulf of Maine);
I have found that keeping the passenger count low is the key to comfort. If you are looking to carry more than 4 passengers, buy a bigger boat.
posted 07-21-2001 10:14 PM ET (US)
Now, Andy may well go offshore with his, but
I wouldn't call Monterey Bay like going
offshore, especially the north end where
Andy lives. The north end gets some nice
shelter from the points north of Santa Cruz.
See what I mean:
That said, I DO go offshore with my Montauk.
Tomorrow is one of those days.
posted 07-21-2001 11:29 PM ET (US)
I stand corrected, The Bay wave height is a foot less than offshore at the time of this post. Interesting considering the openess of the bay and the canyon that runs right up to Moss landing. Learn something new everyday.
posted 07-23-2001 12:38 PM ET (US)
My father's 20' Edgewater has required no trips back to the dealer since new in '97, other than the 10 hour engine check that any Yamaha dealer could do. He's got well over 400 hours on it. When we go to the Miami Intl. Boat Show, one of the Edgewater Reps always recognizes my father, and asks how the boat is these days, and whether he is still happy with it. Dad's trailer with Tie-Down Engineering Disc Brakes was another matter. I think it went back to the trailer factory twice!
posted 07-23-2001 02:33 PM ET (US)
I use my Montauk both in the back Bay (Barnegat) and offshore. It is generally dry except when the wind is abeam and the waves are larger, causing me to slow down.
I frequently fish 8-10 ,miles out of the Barnegat Inlet and 5 miles offshore. The Montauk is perfect for this kind of operation. The best part is that it is fairly economical. With a 90hp Johnson, I am burning about 3.5 gph and am getting an average of 3.8 NM/gallon GPS.
posted 07-23-2001 05:01 PM ET (US)
I've taken my Montauk offshore both from Santa Cruz and Monterey, to a maximum of about 7 or 8 miles from land (altough total on water miles are considerably longer). Conditions at sea, however, are as important as distance. When I do go, I watch wind, weather and swell. The Montauk handles the swell with ease (I've been out when it's 6 to 8 feet @14-18 seconds) however the wind can make the ride very rough. It's certainly a capable boat for ocean use, under the right conditions. When we fish several miles out, we check the forcast and watch the wind, and head back before it gets really ugly. That said, we have been out when it's pretty snotty (sometimes just a mile or two from port), and I've always felt safe in the Montauk. To summarize, it's a great boat for a variety of uses, including ocean fishing trips, when conditions are right. I would not consider using this boat to chase albacore 15-20 miles out. It tows like a dream, and is launched and landed easily. Despite its reputation, it is really a fairly dry boat. With the dodger up, it's a dry ride even in windy conditions.
In terms of the Dauntless 16, my dad will use it off of Cape Cod, including Cape Cod Bay, Pleasant Bay, Nantucket Sound and at times in the Atlantic via Nauset Inlet. I ran my 13 in all of these places when the conditions were right. I'll be taking my first trip on the Dauntless 16 next week, and I'll provide my impressions on this board when I return. For the record, my dad looked at both the Montauk and Dauntless, and found the right boat at the right price in a Dauntless. He also favored the seating and interior room a bit, but I don't think it eliminated the Montauk from contention.
posted 07-23-2001 06:19 PM ET (US)
My 1994 19' Outrage has been a great boat. The center console w/ window stands just under 6' keeping you out of the wind and spray. The deep v offers a smooth ride even in choppy conditions. Even after stuffing the bow 2' under water (going into 6' chop)the boat drained in seconds.
My range is excellent with the built in 80 gallon fuel tank.
Any way you go with a Whaler, you will be satisfied.
posted 07-24-2001 12:40 PM ET (US)
Why not go to your Whaler Dealer and test ride the hulls (new or used) you are interested in. You can also ask for a test ride from any individual seller. Once you get out you will have a much clearer idea of what you really want to fill your needs.
posted 07-24-2001 09:42 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the feedback. I think I'll take B Bear's advise and see if I can take a boat for a test ride. Our local BW dealer doesn't have any Montauk's in stock. Anyone recommend a dealer in the northern California area? I'm thinking of taking a trip to LA to test a 17 Edgewater also. I really don't think I can tow anything heavier than a 17' behind my 5th wheel. Thanks again.
posted 07-24-2001 10:54 PM ET (US)
I purchased a 17 Outrage from a Edgewater
dealer.The 17 outrage sat next to the 18
Edgewater.The Whaler looked superior to
the 18.Open the hatches on both boats
and inspect the finishes.The Whaler also
has a solid feel to it while hitting waves.
I do think the 17 montauk would be the
best for towing,and launching.You could
use 6 gal.gas cans and carry those to the
Good luck! Ed Stone
posted 07-25-2001 11:43 AM ET (US)
The Outboard Motor Shop in Alameda, CA (near Oakland) is the only Whaler dealer I know of in the NorCal area. They've been around for quite a while, and I think a few of the forum members (Triblet, Hoop?) purchased their boats from that dealer.
posted 07-27-2001 04:55 PM ET (US)
Just Fishin' in Sacramento (http://www.justfishinboats.com/) is another NorCal Boston Whaler dealer but they seemed to have just picked up that line and their dealers really do not seem to know a thing about BW's.
Andygere: I've been curious, how much boat do you think you need to go after tuna off Monterey. I've been debating myself whether to get a Montauk and just stay close to shore or try for one of those rare NorCal 18' Outrages for a bit more range. I've been offshore in the large party boats in some pretty ugly stuff and I've wondered how well even a 18' would fare.
posted 07-27-2001 05:36 PM ET (US)
Hmm, I have opened the hatches on an Edgewater, looks like a whaler. What's different? I've run an edgewater in the Atlantic Ocean, and its a good Solid very DRY ride, much better than my 15' Sport, but that's comparing apples to oranges. 15' BW to 20' Edgewater.
Curious what Ed thought was so drastically inferior about the 18 Edgewater?
posted 07-29-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)
If I remember correctly the Edgewater hatches
were not finished on the underside.Whalers
have a core in there hatches that are
sandwiched between glass and gel coat.
I believe they called the molds for the
hatches cold presses.Some hatches core
is balsa wood and some I think are phenol.
The larger Edgewaters are made with a
grid system in the hull for strength.
I have not ridden in one but I'll take your
word that they ride solid.
You probaly know that the Whalers foam
acts as the stringer system to give them
the solid feel.
How many boat builders state their swamped
capacity? Only one that I know of.I don't
plan on having my boat shot full of holes
or being run over by heavy equipment.But I
do fish offshore probally sometimes farther
than I should.I have alot of people that
depend on me to make it home. Imo my chances
are alot better in a Whaler.
The stated Specifications on the 17 foot
Whaler and the 18 Edgewater were close to
the same,Except the Whaler had a higher
weight capacity and a stated swamped Cap.
dry weight 1750
draft 13 in.
Filled with water weight cap. ????
dry weight 1700
56 gal. tank
draft 12 in.
filled with water weight cap. 2600
And with a Whaler you always have a good
posted 07-30-2001 03:34 PM ET (US)
At the boatshow in St Pete> 15' Edgewater with a 70hp was a boat show special of $18,995. What a bargain! I thought the 17 Montauk with a 80 Yamie 4 stroke was stiff at $21,995. The best deal was the 17' McKee with a 115 Suzuki for $13+. If we are comparing apples to oranges of course:)
posted 07-31-2001 09:44 AM ET (US)
I dunno, I guess I've been around boats too long. Pretty is nice, but I'd rather have a hatch that was painted on the inside when I drop a large fish in there to thrash around. If I hit the painted surface with my gaff, so what. If I whack gelcoat with it, Ouch. Last time I checked, there was no wood in anywhere in an edgewater, structural or non-structural. According to http://www.ewboats.com/insidestory.html the stringer system on every Edgewater is the Permagrid, not just the larger ones.
I didn't intend to start an egg toss here. I just wanted to know that the Edgewater had not gotten a shallow review on outward appearances. In the 80's, Bayliner built alot of boats that average people thought were "nice looking boats". I'm with you on wanting a boat that will bring me home whether it's calm or kicked up in the ocean at the end of the day.
posted 07-31-2001 09:53 AM ET (US)
Since Scott your exploring all options JohnT brought these to my attention a while back -- real no nonsense boat, did a little more research and dang if I was just looking for a basic well built solid boat to fish and play with at decent prices would definitely consider.
Anyway may want to check them out http://mskiff.com/who/index.html good luck in your search Scotts 152001 --- Tom
posted 08-01-2001 09:10 AM ET (US)
Sorry! I was being sarcastic on the bargain part. $19k for a 15' boat, ouch! The Montauk is a bargain compared to that.
posted 08-01-2001 10:36 AM ET (US)
The Martime Skiff 20 Pioneer looks like real winner to me.
posted 08-01-2001 01:07 PM ET (US)
Scott - Buy a MONTAUK!
I bought mine at the Atlanta, Georgia Boat Show this past January. It was priced at $21,995 with the factory rigged 90 H.P. Mercury 2 Stroke.
They came down $1,300 for the Boat Show price. I paid $20,695.
posted 08-07-2001 11:16 PM ET (US)
Well it looks like I'm going with a 1999 17' Outrage. I really wanted to stay with a Whaler and while it's a bit heavy, I still think I can tow it behind my 5th wheel. Thanks for all your input. Scott
posted 08-08-2001 01:20 AM ET (US)
I fished on a Montauk type boat all my life. We had a 11', 13', and a 16'7" whaler. All these boats handled extremely well in our rough Hawaiian waters. We've travelled from Oahu to Molokai, which is approximately 26 miles tip to tip and have done it multiple times. And if anyone has ever been in the Molokai channel, they would know that it can turn into a washing machine really quick. It is a wet boat and it is the most stable craft I've ever been on. So it really depends on what kind of fishing you're into. If you are a bottom fisher, it's a great stable platform to fish off of. However, if you are trolling, it's uncomfortable and very wet in the chop. I've intentionally pulled the plug in open water and let the boat swamp, it never sank and remained floating flat and never capsized. To empty it, I cracked the throttle and the boat jumped out of the water, emptying 80% of the water out the back. The last 20% through the drain and I was back on my way. I trust my life in this boat and have many other experiences that I could tell you about. As far as trailoring, it's probably one of the lightest boats in it's class. Good luck on your new purchase and I bid you "tight lines" always!
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