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JohnJ80 posted 09-03-2001 11:54 PM ET (US)   Profile for JohnJ80   Send Email to JohnJ80  
I am new to this forum and maybe about to become a 'whaler'. But, I need some advice.

I have the opportunity to purchase a 15' Dauntless 1996 with 70hp 2 stroke Johnson. Low hours on both. Boat has some repairs after dock damage - but looks good now. Only decals are scuffed but fiberglass is ok. This is a good boat, not showroom quality but more towards the middle to middle-high end of the range. Motor has very low hours. Boat and motor are fresh water used only.

Boat comes on a galvanized trailer.

What should one expect to pay for such a rig?

We will be using this on a large inland body of water where wind driven waves can go to 2-3'. Biggest problem however is boat wakes that can easily be this size. We are a family of four (2 small elementary kids).

I was drawn to this boat since I am limited to 15' overall (don't ask - another whole story). The Dauntless hull seems like it would give a good ride (soft compared to others and dry).

Comments?

Thx.

B Bear posted 09-04-2001 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
JohnJ80,
The best advice I can give you is to arrange to take it out for a ride. That way you will be able to answer most of your own questions as to the ride and handling of the boat. This will also give you something to compare to if you are able to test some other hulls, allowing you a good base to make any judgements about what to expect and what you might want from a 15 foot hull. You do need to remember that 15 feet is still small and the bigger the LOA the smoother the ride and ability to handle a chop.

As for the price, I hope there are some other members will step in and help you there. I also hope that you will also get some feedback from those that have experience with the Dauntless 15.

Bear

BobNH posted 09-05-2001 10:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for BobNH    
JohnJ80,

I just sold a pristine 1998 Dauntless 15 w/Mercury 50 four-stroke and galvanized trailer for $14,500. Included in this price was full set of unused Mills canvas. I paid $15,900 for the boat in 1999, without the canvas.

Whalers seem to be very pricey up here, so I doubt if you will have to pay that much. My relatively uneducated guess would be no more than $11 - 12K for a '96 with a two-stroke.

Now for the boat itself:

I really loved our 15 Dauntless. My wife and two kids (now 12 and 14) spent many happy hours on that boat. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to you, with these caveats:

You will have to slow down when crossing a wake of any appreciable size, but so what?

As your kids get a bit bigger, you will need/want a bigger boat. We started with a 13 GLS, graduated to the Dauntless 15 and now we have a Montauk. When it's time to upgrade, you'll find a way to handle the extra 2" and you'll get most of your money back from the Dauntless as long as you take care of her and don't overpay!

Bob

JohnJ80 posted 09-05-2001 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
Thanks for all of your replies.

Another question - what would you define as a big wake for this boat?

Any comment on the 2 stroke Johnson 70HP vs say a 4 stroke in performance?

What speeds should I expect out of this boat in a water test?

Any other performance data that you can share?

Thanks again for all your help

John

BobNH posted 09-06-2001 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for BobNH    
Take the boat for a test ride, and while you're out, try to cross as many boat wakes as you can. Vary your speed and you'll quickly get a very good sense for what sort of wakes it can handle. For the most part, it's not the size of the wake that matters as much as the speed you try to cross it at!

Our 15/Merc 50 four-stroke did about 20MPH @ 4200 RPM with two adults and two children weighing about 500 lbs. Top speed was about 28MPH @ 5500 RPM.

You'll find that the speed that matters most is the speed that you can handle typical condiditons at, without the motor working so hard that you get fatigued by the sound and vibration. For me, that was about 20MPH with our boat.

Borrow a handheld GPS and try to stay out for at least half and hour. By the end of that time, you should have a pretty good idea whether the boat is for you!

whalerfran posted 09-08-2001 08:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
Think twice before buying the 15. The boat takes on water at rest with weight in the stern and does not completely bail when under way. The boat is also not large enough for your family. You would be better off with a Montauk.
Tsuriki BW posted 09-08-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
JohnJ80,

Did you buy the 15? Is it still an option for you? I have some comments based on you reply.

Thanks

Tsuriki

Tsuriki BW posted 09-08-2001 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Whalerfran,

In the mean time can you expand on your experience with the Dauntless 15 for future posts?

Thanks

Tsuriki

Tallydon posted 09-08-2001 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tallydon  Send Email to Tallydon     
When I owned a 15, I solved the problem of water coming through the scuppers. I had them changed from the flap type to the ping-pong ball cup type. The result, very little water through the scuppers even with weight in the back. Having a 50 4-stroke, of course, added a considerable amount of weight.
Tsuriki BW posted 09-08-2001 11:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Tallydon

I am very interested in your conversion from the flap type scupper holes to "ping pong" type. Can you give me some details? I have a Dauntless 14 with a 75Hp Merc and get some water into the stern of the boat when not underway unless I have the scupper plugs in. Merc weighs about 305lbs.

Thanks


Tsuriki

Tsuriki BW posted 09-08-2001 11:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Tallydon

I am very interested in your conversion from the flap type scupper holes to "ping pong" type. Can you give me some details? I have a Dauntless 14 with a 75Hp Merc and get some water into the stern of the boat when not underway unless I have the scupper plugs in. Merc weighs about 305lbs.

Thanks


Tsuriki

Tallydon posted 09-09-2001 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tallydon  Send Email to Tallydon     
My dealer installed the ping-pong ball type. I have seen them on other boats and don't know the technical name of them. They worked fine. They are clear on the outside so you can see if debris from the deck has clogged them. I now own a Dauntless 16, I wanted a deeper vee, but so far I don't need them and the flap type are sufficient for now. Plus, I'm not sure if I could install them because the extendable ladder would likely interfere with one of them. They extend about 2 1/2 inches out from the transom.
JohnJ80 posted 09-10-2001 02:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
Tsuriki BW,

I did buy the 15 - at least we close this week sometime.

I took it for a test ride in very rough, stormy conditions and did not get water or spray at any time - very impressive. Had the boat on the edge - way faster in lumpy conditions than I would ever drive it normally. Conditions were pretty much worst case.

To those suggesting I buy a bigger boat - it just isn't an option. I live on a river where dockage is regulated by the city. I am permitted a 'dock boat' which means 15' or less and has to be kept on a dock/lift. Therefore, I needed the most seaworthy boat that I could get at 15' or less.

Family size wise, the main use for this is fishing, tubing for the kids (little) and occasional jaunts up and down the river for a few miles. Nothing major. The biggest issue is that of big boat wakes from 40'+ boats.

Anyhow, the boat is much dryer and softer riding than I had expected.

John

Tsuriki BW posted 09-10-2001 03:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
John,

It is late here in Seattle, but just want to say "Congratulations"!

Will post more later.

Tsuriki

B Bear posted 09-16-2001 11:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Belated Congratulations on your Dauntless 15, I hope for the best for you and yours.
Bear
huladick posted 10-04-2001 10:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for huladick  Send Email to huladick     
I'm a little late replying also, but own a '97 15ft. Dauntless w/75hp Merc. I love this boat. A little bouncy in chop, but gets up on a plane and after trimming it out I can get around 50 mph out of it. Good luck with your new Whaler. You'll Love It....

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