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Ed Stone posted 11-16-2001 11:01 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
This year the 23-Conquest and the 21-Outrage have been discontinued.

The 210 Outrage takes the place of the old 21-Outrage. Other than the brochures, I have not seen the 210. Noted changes: weighs 300lbs. less but the swamped capacity goes up 300lbs. The fuel tank has been reduced 30gals. The bow has been redesigned to allow added seats. Bow rail has been reduced. The center console looks to be redesigned. There is also a diffrent setup on the deluxe leaning post.

Last year the 21-Conquest left the lineup. Now after 5 years in the lineup the 23 has been replaced with a larger 255 Conquest.

It's good to see the 17-Montauk is still being produced. I think a lot of first time boat buyers underestimate the overall performance of the 17-Montauk.

I count 17 boats in the recreational lineup. I wonder how that compares to other builders?
--Ed Stone

jimh posted 11-17-2001 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Thanks for the info, Ed. Sounds like it is worth a trip to the dealer to get the new catalogue!
alanfujii posted 11-18-2001 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for alanfujii  Send Email to alanfujii     
If you look at the specs for the Conquest 23 and the "new" Conquest 255, you'll find they are the same. For some reason BW had chosen to call the Conquest 23 a "23" when it always measured 26'11''. Now a large part of that was the built-in bow pulpit but it always was a "large" 23 footer. I'd say 25 1/2 feet is about right.
blackdog posted 11-19-2001 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
Good observation Ed. Has anyone else noticed the Change to then 180 Dauntless other than the name? Keel doesn’t have the cutout toward the Stern. I wonder what this accomplished? Faster to plane?

Blackdog

george nagy posted 11-19-2001 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
I rather liked the console on last years dauntless. I think that the 210 is getting even further away from the current whaler design philosophy. I think in a few years Jimh will have to change the classic forum to include those from the 90's. It is funny how 5 or more years ago I said I hated the new whalers but now they don't look so bad compared to the new 210. I'm thinking of maybe the 1997 17' and 20' outrages, what happened to them? I can't believe they change molds so often. I know their prices are high but come on. I wouldn't be surprised if the montauk gives them the most profit per hull (percentage wise) I've got to believe they are "taking on the shirt" on the 34' defiance. I still have not seen one out on the water, actually I still have not seen one ever.
Ed Stone posted 11-19-2001 09:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
They had one of the 210 outrages at the boat
show here in St.Pete. this past weekend.
I checked it out.It seems smaller than the
previous 21.The center console is not near
as big.The dash looks like somthing out of
a new car.I do like the new seating/baitwell.
I also liked how the scuppers were designed
with nothing in the way to stop from shedding
water.(23 outrage the scuppers are under the
hatches to the fish boxes)There was plenty of places to sit in the new 210.(U shaped
seating in the bow,2 stern seats,leaning
post,cooler seating in front of center
console)The new bow rail looks good.
The rub rail is mounted sort of stange and
would take a little to get use to.It should
do a good job the way it sticks out.
Someone planned on catching some fish when
they designed the fishboxes because they
are big.(same as 23 outrage)

If you take a better look at the 255 conquest
you'll see the changes.
Molded pulpit with low profile windlass.
Setup at transom to include baitwell.
Diffrent hull.(my 23 Outrage has same hull as
23 conquest did)
Swimout ladder mounted on oppisite sides.
larger max. horsepower.

I've yet to see them yet but the book says
new 180 dauntless,new 180 ventura.Not that I
would buy one,but those venturas are loaded.
Ed Stone

alanfujii posted 11-20-2001 03:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for alanfujii  Send Email to alanfujii     
I apologize for giving erroneous information on my previous reply. The new 255 is a new boat and the old 23 is still there as a model Conquest 23. Where I went wrong is assuming that the new model names was BW’s attempt to label their Conquest line with names that more properly indicated the boats true size. In my defense, you can see that BW only changed the model number of the 26 to 275 and the 28 to 295. Everything else is the same as far as I can tell.
jbtaz posted 11-20-2001 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jbtaz  Send Email to jbtaz     
The new 210 Outrage is great. You have to see one in person. First, from the exterior it doesn't look that much different than the model it replaces like someone in this forum stated..Also, the cockpit is so much better arranged than the model it replaces. I would recommend it however with the bow rail option. I think it's a great boat-designed to be big, but not so big that it's a pain to trailer around.

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