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Steverino posted 12-08-2001 01:55 AM ET (US)   Profile for Steverino   Send Email to Steverino  
I'm a novice boater and would appreciate some advice on the best engine for a '96 outrage 20 that I use in saltwater...manufacturer? horsepower?
JBCornwell posted 12-08-2001 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hi Ho, Steverino!

I think your boat is a natural home for a Yamaha F225 EFI 4 stroke V6, or for the equivalent Honda.

Surely some will disagree, but that's how you get the most info.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Peter posted 12-08-2001 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Before I would consider mounting a 4s 225, I'd check with Whaler to make sure that the 20 Outrage can handle the weight. At the time that 20 was designed, the heaviest outboard was about 450 lbs. The 4s weigh in at over 580lbs. Apparently, some of Whaler's newer hulls are very sensitive to weight on the transom. Don't know whether the 1996 20 Outrage was one of them.
reelescape1 posted 12-09-2001 07:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
I had a 96 19' OR with a Yammy 200 SW EFI, great engine, terrible boat! I think its the same as the 20, they only made the hull 2 years. It had a TERRIBLE porpoising problem. Good luck!!
JBCornwell posted 12-09-2001 11:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Yo, Steverino!

I take it back. After reading Peter's comments and Reelescape1's experience I went to my '96 brochure and my recent engine brochures.

I expected to find a different hull than that heavy, stubby, SeaRay-looking thing. I expected it to permit twins; it wont.

My recommendation of the big Yammy was based on it weighing less than two Merc 90 carbed 2s engines. Now I see that "recommended" hp is only 77% of the 225 max (175) and min. HP to plane is 130, 77% of recommended!!

Compare those ratios to, for example, a Montauk. Recommended HP is 90% of max and minimum HP is less than 40% of that.

That tells me that the boat is flakey about weight but needs more power than one would expect to plane it.

I would go with a lightweight 175, not more than, say, 425#, or a Merc 200 Classic (400#).

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

David Ratusnik posted 12-10-2001 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Steve- You seem to be in the wonderful position of considering just how to power a 20'OR. Apparently, no engines exist on the boat at this time. You say salt water use. Maybe you wish to fish, maybe not- makes a difference. How often fishing?? You may wish to seriously consider twins- two smaller motors of about 100hp. If you fish alot, then you can troll with one. Also, the safety factor of a second motor far from home maybe valuable to you. Finally, a twin motor set up will give you greater control of the boat in tight docking spots. Twins are a nice set up. With regard to the company that makes the engines my thinking is that Yam, Bomb, Suzy, Honda, etc all do a pretty good job. Sort of like American 1/2 ton pickup trucks- all quite good. Shop price and warranty. My .02 Good luck David
David Ratusnik posted 12-10-2001 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Steve- Another thought re maker of engine. Find out thru various experts in your area just who is the finest mechanic working on outboards. Some folks think Yam, or blip, or blip is the best engine maker, but if you have to drive half way across your state to get quality service the purchase is going to be less than satisfactory. Remember, the engine should be gone thru (serviced) about every 100 hours. David
Peter posted 12-10-2001 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
David, all good points but I don't think that the 1996 20 Outrage had a transom designed for twins. If I were Steverino, assuming the 20 Outrage is one of the hulls sensitive to weight, then I'd be looking to find a 225 that weighed about 450 lbs or less. A 225 hp carburated Johnson fit that profile. I'm not sure you can get them anymore so I might settle for a 200. I don't think I'd go below a 200. A 200 hp carburated or EFI Merc comes in under 450 lbs. A 200 EFI Yamaha weighs in at about 450.

David makes a good observation that all the manufacturers make pretty good engines these days so engine brand is generally a matter of personal preferences taking price and perceived quality, service, etc. into account. I prefer Yamaha in my area even more so now because quite a few service shops have set up camp recently, including my favorite OMC mechanic. Good luck in your hunt.

David Ratusnik posted 12-10-2001 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Steve- Pete makes a conclusive point, if a newer 20 OR is not cut for twins then a single larger engine is the way to go. Obviously, I am not fully versed in late model Whaler OR transoms. However, before you take the bait on a big (225hp is big for a 20' boat) single, take a look at the bracket section on this Forum. jimh has some examples of brackets that might be applicable for a newer OR, permitting smaller, 90hp 100 hp twins to be mounted. Study this issue fully before you jump. In my estimation (and depending upon what type of boating you expect to conduct) twins may have advantages over a single engine. Obviously, pro's and con's exist, but depend on the use you expect of the boat. If you expect to light cruise, abit of water sports and occasional fishing, then go with a 200hp single. Ageee with Pete above. Good luck David
lpaton posted 12-17-2001 07:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for lpaton  Send Email to lpaton     
I have a 200 hp yamaha on same boat(Outrage III,19'-8"). Good combination. About 46 mph wot when hull has been waxed.
EJV posted 12-17-2001 08:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for EJV  Send Email to EJV     
Motor well on '96 OR will not accomodate twins, so there's one decision made easy. WRT to choice of manufacturer -- make your choice based on economy and reliability, not go-fast numbers. 225 is alotta ponies on the OR 20. I had a OR 21 of the same vintage (which, OBTW I loved...) w/ a Yam 225 SWS EFI and it would run 47mph with half a bag of gas and four people. It also JUMPED out of the hole with just about any load, stayed on plane at 2600 rpm and loafed along at cruise speeds getting 3.2-3.3 mpg (Merc Mirage Plus prop 15.5 x 17). There's something to be said for more power if you want to pay the extra $$. My expectation would be that the 200 (of just about any variety) would be suffcient to meet your needs on that boat.

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