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Ed Stone posted 02-18-2002 10:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
I count three members of this site that
have the 23 Outage.Two of us in Fla.
And now one in NY.All have the 135 optis.

Mine is a 2000 model with t-top and
pulpit.I have added the optional sun
lounge which is a factory deck that fills
in the bow area.
Zurowski,let us know what canvas options
you decide to add.
Ed Stone

Zurowski posted 02-19-2002 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Zurowski  Send Email to Zurowski     
Ed,

Expecting delivery in the next few weeks. I also have the factory t-top and bow pulpit. I am working with a local custom canvas company to provide a functional canvas section to enclose the t-top as well as cover the boat when docked. I Will be using the boat on Lake Erie and the weather can become very crapy so I would like some type of protection. I'll let you know what they propose.

Walter

Ed Stone posted 02-19-2002 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Walter,
A t-top enclosure would be nice on a
cold rainy day here in Fla.I think there
is a factory option for the t-top enclosure.
I did have a cover made for my 23 at
a local canvas shop here in St.pete.
It goes up over the windsheild and snaps
around the vertical post.They did a great
job custom fitting around pulpit and motors.
Keep me posted on your canvas and
electronic choices.
Ed Stone
aubv posted 02-19-2002 11:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
I currently own a 1996 17'Outrage with a 130 hp Evinrude and love the boat but I am considering a 2000 23' Outrage with 225 hp Evinrude. (I am aware of the Ficht recall) I am interested in hearing from anyone who has spent sometime on one. Any background info about where/when you use the boat and any likes/dislikes you have would be appreciated.
Sixer posted 02-21-2002 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
Also own a 23 Outrage. Save your money on the factory weather curtains, don't help much.
Ed Stone posted 02-21-2002 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Aubv,
I also had the 17 outrage prior to buying
the 23 outrage.At first I was overwhelmed
by the size for trailering and launching.
I have gotten to the point now its no
problem lauching and retreiving the boat
even by myself.
I find that the 23 rides best cruising
in the low 30's and with the bow not
trimmed out to high.
My average trip is 25 miles or so out
in the Gulf of Mexico.
With Sixer that makes four of us with
23 outrages that us this site.
Ed Stone
InHerNet posted 02-22-2002 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Ed,
I have the 2000 23' Outrage with twin 135 Optimax. A month after I purchased the boat I had a local canvas company come out to design a custom cockpit cover that encloses from the bow to the aft door. I choose this type of enclosure over a full canvas so that when I go for an overnight trip and leave the boat in the water I could cover it and hide my electronics and gear. As far as weather curtains, I agree they are useless, I have been on other boats with them and we got just as wet trying to get them down. If it is cold out and it looks like rain, I am not out. In the summer and it starts to rain, I am normally enjoying the shower and getting a little wet.
One thing I did add to my T-Top was a custom life jacket compartment on each side of the top. The compartments were made of the same material as the canvas top. They follow down on an angle from the outriggers to the T-Top supporting brace to the aft section. This makes an opening from the middle on each side to easily stow the life jackets and my jacket on cool days. This type of design does not block my light and with the angle in the front the items stay put while underway.
I have Raytheon electronics installed and the factory electronic box had to be removed and a new solid cover put in place because the L760 was to large to fit in the compartment. I choose not to have an overhead electronic box only because I found it easier to read my fish finder without bending my head back to look up, and it is easier to reach the buttons to make changes.
I love my boat and enjoy Gulf fishing and family cruises on the Inter Coastal waterway. So far the roughest seas with her was 4 to 5 foot at 5 sec. 28 miles off Venice Florida. Not a lot of fun but I was glad to be in a Whaler. I look for better days and pick them carefully.
Ed, I look forward to meeting you someday on the water.
Don
HappyTime posted 02-22-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for HappyTime  Send Email to HappyTime     
Listen to me, an Outrage (21 maybe 23) with
a T-top is still a wet boat.
I have 1999 Outrage 21 with factory T-top and
Top Gun outriger. One thing I can tell for sure is in the cross wind (15 knots or >)
spray always get you and it can be wet
up to the T-top, so the weather curtain does
not help. The T-Top doensn't keep you dry in the rain either, the cross wind always blow it back, the weather curtain is too small
to make it dry boat, a pair of boot, foul weather gear and ski goggle actually keep you dry with much less $$$. If you really really want weather protection I think the Conquest is the way to go.The only nice thing about
the T-top is you can hide from the sun in the hot days and it provide a place you can put electronics and you can put the radar and antena and stuff.
W/o the T-top and elec box you don't have
much space to put elec in the console, this is the big, big advantage of the T-top with elec box.
I have 225 Evinrude and 15hp kicker, and I feel 225 is about right for my 21, with a full gas tank and people and fishing gear
and the live well (14 gal is heavy)
225 is about right for my 21. So, if it's an Outrage 23 I think you need a little more hp
and with a twin instead of single.
With a single and a kicker it's annoying that the kicker is boucning around and it broke the bracket once. With a twin you don't have to worry about anything bouncing around and you can run a hell out it.
Invest in a good ski goggle it makes
the ride on center console more enjoyable,
I hate 30knots wind to blow into my eyes.
Even one rain drop hit your eyes at 30knots it hurts.
Sixer posted 02-22-2002 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
Happytime, gotta disagree with you on this. My 23 is the driest boat I've ever owned, in all conditions I've experienced. I have never taken on any water that has reached the steering station, and that includes some pretty nasty inlet conditions. Just speaking about the 23, not familiar with the 21. Trim makes all the difference.
aubv posted 02-22-2002 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Ed,

Thanks for the reply. What engine(s) do you have? What kind of Prop? I know with my 17' the engine needs to be trimmed all the way in/down and the boat pops up on a plane otherwise the bow gets a steep rise and slower to plane. Any trim requirements on the 23'?
Do you fly fish? If so any thoughts on t-top interference.

aubv posted 02-22-2002 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Happy time,

Not to break the thread but..If you think your Whaler is wet try a Key West. I met some guys who fish on a 17 Key West. I would be on my boat no oilers, they where always wearing oilers and I could never understand why. One day I went fishing on the Key West, a cold wet day to say the least. Makes me leary of buying any boat before much due diligence and a long test ride. Also, any open boat in strong wind is subject to spray. Thats why you bring guests and tell them where to stand, to act as shields. Oh, and pay for the gas! Anyone want to go fishing? ;-)

Ed Stone posted 02-23-2002 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Don,
That is a good idea on the cockpit cover
you had made!I have the factory life jacket
storage in the t-top that holds 5 jackets
and a throwable.
Maybe some sunday I'll head south and
you head north and we will find bigshot
passed out on beer can island!
Happytime,
When that wind is blowing the tops off
the waves and there is no choice but
traveling crosswind I get out my rain
jacket.
It is amazing how dry the 23 rides.
I have noticed the hull on the 23 looks
more like the 26 than it does the 1999
21 outrage.
Yes the conquest would be a drier ride
and also a rougher ride with the helm
station closer to the bow.
Aubv,
It looks like all four of us with 23
outrages have twin 135 opti's.
I have mercury marine mirage plus
17 pitch ss props.I also feel I get a
smoother ride with the motor trimed in.
No I don't flyfish but I could see where
the T-top could be trouble.
Ed Stone
InHerNet posted 02-24-2002 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Ed,
I have noticed that if I trim the motors in I get a smoother ride. I have played with the motor trim with the digital gages to see if the handling would change, the best performance is with the motor at 1.5 or less. I also found myself using the trim tabs very little on this whaler. Only time is just to level the load or change the pitch a little in rough waves, and that is very rare. The wide beam and the twins give it a nice level ride. The 23 is a very dry boat! Anyone that would say that it is not has not been on a 23í Outrage. The hull design displaces the water away from the cockpit and keeps her dry. The only time I have felt any spray was in high winds and that was only a mist. I am sure that it is possible to get her wet in some very bad conditions. I would not want to be the captain to give her a try. I have had the whole boat out of the water on one occasion and she hit hard on the way down and I donít recall anybody getting wet.
I was drift fishing one day and watched a wave push right over the motors and slap the back and over and under the aft door before I could deploy the sea anchor. I watched the bilge go on for only a few seconds and back off. All the water flowed out the scuppers. I was very impressed. I spoke to another captain on the same day and he was hit hard a few times and had to start up the motors to get the water out before he lost power on the batteries. I am a believer in whaler. I still would not want to challenge my ability or the capability of the 23 Outrage at any time. For the money spent I feel safer in the whaler than in any other boat.
A trip north would be fun.
Don
Sixer posted 02-28-2002 07:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
For the record, I run a single 225 Opti.
aubv posted 02-28-2002 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Sixer,

How do find the performance of the 225 Opti. I.E. time to plane, What is cruising speed, etc. Also how is fuel consumption.

Sixer posted 03-01-2002 09:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
aubv,
I'm very happy with the 225, jumps on plane quickly when trimmed right, I've found the best cruise is 4000-4500 rpm's, and I don't bother tracking fuel consumption, just fill er up when I need it. Very quiet, no oil smoke, no problems. Used primarily to get me where the fish are and back, couldn't be happier. You has asked about fly fishing, which I do mostly in the bay, and I have the t-top with the TG's. Best stay in the bow, or side cast.
captreils posted 03-01-2002 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
sixer,
I just happened to take a 23'OR just like yours for a ride today that had a flowscan guage.30MPH around 3000RPM 10GPH.WOT-5600RPM 45MPH a little over20GPH
Pete
aubv posted 03-01-2002 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Ed,

There is another owner of a 23' OR on the board. We purchased a new 2001 23' OR w/ Merc 225 optimax.

Thanks to all for your input.

Ed Stone posted 03-04-2002 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Aubv,
Congratulations on your new Whaler!
Hope you have lots of good days on
the 23!
It seems the performance with a 225
is comparable to twin 135's.
The time to plane is almost instant
on my 23 as long as you nail the throttle
decrease to desired speed.The 23 holds
some serious fuel.My longest fishing trip
has been 60 miles out fishing in 130 feet
of water.At 4000rpm's I'm burning 14gph,
and running between 32 and 35 mph.

Now we have 5 of us with 23 outrages.
Two of us with twins and three with 225's.
Ed Stone
Texas Tea posted 03-04-2002 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Texas Tea  Send Email to Texas Tea     
Make that six Ed.
Hello all. Got my 1999 23 OR with twin 135's last summer. Very sweet boat. Have taken it to the Bahamas three times already. Looking forward to another trip shortly.
phatwhaler posted 03-04-2002 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Mr. Srone thanks for the return e-mail. I'm going to take my boat to Fl Boat Tops next monday. He seems to have the other canvas guys around here beat. I hope the quality is there!
Ed Stone posted 03-04-2002 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Texas tea,
Three trips to the bahamas?
That had to be fun.Did you go
to Green turtle cay?How many boats
went? Was it rough?
It dosen't look like I will be able
to make it this year.But maybe next year.
Phatwhaler,
I live in pinellas park your welcome
to come by and look at my boat cover.
Ed Stone
phatwhaler posted 03-04-2002 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
OK, maybe this weekend. I'll give ya a call. Later this week. Thanks
aubv posted 03-04-2002 03:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Thanks Ed.
Regarding your canvas, does it rest on the wind sheild? I have a bow pulpit also and if I like what you have why try to reinvent the wheel. Can you tell me the cost?

Any comments on the smart gauge package?? Anyone know the break-in period for the Optimax engines and do you need to add extra oil to the gas during break-in? Any Do's and Don'ts.

How many of you flush your engines after use?

Sixer posted 03-04-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
aubv,
I can't speak about the SmartGauges, became available in 2000, I have a 1999. Do n ot need to add oil during brakin, taken care of by the engine's computer. I believe it last 50 hours although I also have heard some seem to get stuck. I see if the manual give the exact time. Flush after every use, gotta be clean:)
captreils posted 03-04-2002 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
optimax breakin lasts for 120 min. of engine load time,which usually takes place after 3000rpms on most boats,but on lighter boats you may have to go a little faster or keep the motor or trim tabs down to get the proper load on the engine.smartcraft guages are great,they are very precise and give you a lot of info about your engine.they can tie into your GPS,they give you GPH,they have a troll control,that lets you set at a certain speed or rpm and it holds the engine at that setting for trolling.
Pete
aubv posted 03-04-2002 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Captreils,

Cruise control for your boat! I like that. Thanks for the info. Any other words of advice. I flush our current engine for about4-5 minutes after every use. I was curious to see how many other people take the time. At the ramp that we use, I never see anyone else do it.

Any trailer MFG. suggestions?

In case anyone is interested you can purchase refurbished Powerwinches from the factory.

captreils posted 03-04-2002 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
flushing the motor is a good thing,especially on the optimax.not only does sea water cool the block,it also cools the fuel rail,and the air compressor.A little fresh water flush will do all those components good.I have noticed on a lot of these motors salt builds up on the back of the powerhead by the bottom coils,seems to be where the vent in the cowling dumps fresh air.you might want to keep an eye on that area and spray it with CRC or WD40 occasionally to keep it clean.As for a trailer all I know is that you must use a bunk trailer or else you void the warranty.We used to use Calkins at my marina but now we use Load Rite,they seem to be good trailers
Pete
Sixer posted 03-13-2002 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
Captreils,
Thanks for the flowscan numbers. Do you recall if the boat had a full tank, number of people onboard?
Ed Stone posted 03-13-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
It is amazing all the information
the smart gauges will show.
On another post someone mentioned
quick clean used as a gas additive.
Is that a good idea for the Opti's?
Would low voltage on a battery cause
a motor to run erratic?
I feel flushing the engine is a
must after every use in salt water.
I always start my motors while flushing,
but I've heard someone say it is not
necessary to start them.
One more thing,While trolling with
only one of the twin motors running
is it possible for water to back up
in the non-running motor and cause
damage?
Ed Stone
InHerNet posted 03-13-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Ed, Are you using the built-in flush connection with the motors running, or are you using flush-ears? I always use the built-in flush after each trip, and let it run for about 5 minutes each. I use the flush-ears every couple of times to clean the exhaust, this is done with the motors running. I know the motor can be running at idle speed with the built-in flush but was told by the dealer that it was not a good idea.
captreils posted 03-13-2002 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
sixer,
I don't remember how much gas the boat had,but it was just taken out of winter storage so I would have to say it was pretty close to full.It was just me in the boat.When I check for top speed I trim the motor to the point of cavatation then trim in just until the motor grabs the water.
Ed,
I work at a Merc dealership,we got a service bulletin from Merc about the use of Quikleen on the Optimax motors.They recommend using it with every tank of gas.As for low voltage,yes the motor would run erratic if at all.Usually they will start and then immediatly stall.
Pete
Ed Stone posted 03-13-2002 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Pete,
Thanks for the Info.I picked up two
bottles of quickclean.It looks like
70 gallons per bottle.I'll have it in
before I go grouper fishing on Friday.
Don,
I've always used the quick connect
plug at the back of the motor for
rinsing the engine.
Aubv,
The cover does rest on the windsheild.
They added four straps to hold the
weight off the windsheild.
I know the Opti's have a big time
alternator,but I think I'm going to
add a on board charging system for
when the boat is sitting in the drive.
Ed Stone
captreils posted 03-14-2002 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
Ed,
check your batteries,the Optimax requires a marine cranking battery with at least 1000 cranking amps of power
Pete
jimh posted 03-14-2002 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There was an earlier discussion (sorry I don't have a citation) which talked about the electrical power drain that engines like the OPTIMAX impose on the battery at speeds below 2,000 RPM.

The engine needs perhaps 20-A of current to operate all the electricals associated with the fuel injection system, but at low crankshaft speeds the alternator/charger may not be producing that much output. The difference must be supplied by the battery. If the battery voltage sags in this condition it can affect the engine, especially the computer control module.

aubv posted 03-18-2002 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
I would be interested to see pictures of the canvas arraignments other 23' OR owners have. Here is my current canvas and I find it somewhat inhibiting!!

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/s12811.jpg

Also, how many hours do each of you have on your boats?

aubv posted 03-18-2002 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Here is a better link.

http://www.momentoffame.com/category.html?id=246

NYGuy posted 03-24-2002 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for NYGuy    
Hello all, just found this site. I have a 1999 23 Outrage with twin 150 Opti's.The only major complaint that I had with this boat was the lack of a riser loop in the bilge pump line. Drifting offshore brought water into the bilge (reverse siphoning). Fairly easy to fix but a sloppy oversight by Whaler. You folks with the later models - have they fixed this?

Safe boating.

Sixer posted 03-25-2002 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
NYGuy,
I own a '99, bought new, and have the riser loop in the bilge line, also on the baitwell/washdown intake.
NYGuy posted 03-25-2002 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for NYGuy    
Sixer,

Never gave the bait well / wash down a thought, I'll put that on my spring list. Thanks.

aubv posted 04-20-2002 06:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Delivery day finally arrived.
Anyone want to go fishing?
http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshot.html?id=14019
Sixer posted 04-22-2002 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
Congratulations, are you keeping the boat there?
aubv posted 04-22-2002 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Sixer,

Thank you, you are right about the weather curtains. They help with the wind but I find I don't like the loss of visibility.

"Are you keeping the boat there?"
No, I am planning to take it by water to the cape sometime in the next month depending on conditions.

Where you on your boat Sunday? I think I read somewhere that you posted you are in slip six?

Out of curiosity how did you know where the boat is located - Do you recognize something in the picture or the boat specifically?

Have you done any fishing this year? Send me an e-mail if you are interested in discussing off bb.

Brian

captreils posted 04-22-2002 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for captreils  Send Email to captreils     
sixer,FYI,the boat that I got the GPH numbers from resides next to your boat.Youcan kind of see them both in aubv's pictures.
aubv,Ihope you enjoy the new boat,did Woody give you the extra fuel filter you asked for
Pete
aubv posted 04-24-2002 08:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Pete,

Thank you and yes I have the extra fuel filter.

The boat gets up on plan very quickly but it sounds like cavitation is happening, is this common with Merc engines? I believe it is a sound from the engine rather than actual cavitation.

Brian

Sixer posted 04-24-2002 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
aubv,
Yes I was on the boat this weekend, its across the logoon from yours, with the green t-top. Recognized the marina. went fishing on Saturday, just 2 blues near the BI. Only out till around 10-11am. Just nice to be back on the water. Have fun with the boat, you'll love it.

captreils
Does the red t-top have the slip for the season?

North Beach posted 04-24-2002 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
AUBV

THe pictures are excellent-I can see why you are excited about the boat. Hope we can hook up one weekend before you take the baot to, where, Maryland?

NB

Ed Stone posted 04-24-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
aubv,
Congrats on the new Whaler!Do you still
have the 17 Outrage?
If so post some pictures of the 23 while
it is underway.
What is the panel beneath the steering
wheel? Breakers? Switches?
Have fun in the 23!
Ed Stone
aubv posted 04-25-2002 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
NB,

Thanks, We will be taking the boat to Cape Cod by water sometime in the next month, weather permitting. We hope we do get the chance to hook up. Will be down this weekend. We are considering storing the boat in NJ over the winter as the idea of using the boat in NJ early in the season has some appeal.

Ed,

Yes, still have the '96 17'OR we are hard pressed to sell the boat. We already have three people who have told us to call THEM if we decide to sell. In my opinion, it is the best 17' boat BW ever built.

I have a close up shot of the dash if you want to see the circuit breaker panel you asked about.
I will be happy to post pictures of the boat underway as soon as I get the chance.

Again, Thanks to all for the input.

Texas Tea posted 04-25-2002 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Texas Tea  Send Email to Texas Tea     
NYGUY,
When I drift offshore I get a bunch of water showing up in the bilge. I guess there is no riser loop like you said. Could you please give me a bit more detail on taking care of this? It's starting to get kind of annoying. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Brett
sales@solesco.com

Chap posted 04-25-2002 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
This has a drawing of loop.

www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm

Thanks
Chap

Texas Tea posted 04-25-2002 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Texas Tea  Send Email to Texas Tea     
Thanks Chap
NYGuy posted 04-25-2002 09:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for NYGuy    
Texas Tea,

I was able to fit a two foot high loop flat against the starboard side just behind the discharge thru-hull fitting. Good luck.

Ed Stone posted 04-25-2002 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Water also spills over the back of the
fish boxes into the bilge if the plug is
left out of the box.There is a peice of
starboard at the rear of the box that
does not go all the way to the deck.
water spills into the bilge from there.
Ed Stone
VMG posted 05-08-2002 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
Have a '99 w/ twin Yam 150 EFIs. Gore T-top, Rupps, pulpit. Was in coastal NC, now in N. Va/Md area. Lotta offshore stuff in NC, mostly water sports w/friends and kids now. Happy w/ it -- catches fish, convenient for family stuff. Love the motors -- Mirage+ 17" pitch props; stays on plane at 26-2700 rpm. Best cruise from 3000-3800 (27-35mph) at 2.0-2.1 mpg. Runs about 47 light loaded, 45 w/the usual fuel, bodies and gear.
diveorfish posted 05-10-2002 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
I just picked up my (sold as new) 2001 23 Outrage with 2001 twin 135 opti's a couple of weeks ago. Took my maiden voyage last Sunday in the Sacramento river. Can't wait to take it offshore. I'm glad to know there are others out there because this is my first whaler and I got a ton of questions. Here are a couple just to get started.

BW takes a lot of bashing about it's ride. The V on my OR seems really deep on the entry and the transom deadrise doesn't look too shallow either(I'm going to measure it)compared to other boats you can buy in northern CA. My boat seems to ride pretty smooth also. What am I missing?

Also people whine about the price. The deal I got was $15K more than say a new 23 Seaswirl with twins but the quality difference was almost scary. The BW is like a tank not to mention the unsinkability. Again, what am I missing?

aubv posted 05-10-2002 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Diveorfish,

Welcome to the club. Not only for having your first BW but also the ride thing. I am sure there are other boats that ride better, go faster and cost less....but I have to say I am very happy with both of my v-hull whalers. I am not sure when people talk about the ride if they are not still hung up on the older hulls which are hard rides. I'm begining to think that some of the "Hard Riders" only know one throttle setting...fast. Any boat that I have been on can hit waves hard at certain angles and speeds.

Have you installed a GPS or ff yet? If not I have a couple of ideas for you if your interested.
Best of luck with the new boat.

Brian

InHerNet posted 05-10-2002 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Ed, you are right about the water spilling over in the bilge from the fish boxes. I checked it out and sure enough water flows over the starboard. The starboard is about 3/8" to 1/2" to short. I spoke with my dealer and I am waiting to hear back. What did you do about it on your boat?

I also got sticker shock over another replacement part. Circuit breaker for the bait-well light $26.95 plus tax. There are four breakers that control the bait-well light, fish box pump-out, raw water and fresh water switches. That's over a hundred alone just for parts. That's a big expense for such a small electrical part. I pulled the panel off and cleaned the electrical connections since they were getting corroded. I advise anyone with the 23 to check those wires and spray them for protection.

InHerNet posted 05-10-2002 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Diveorfish- Welcome, nice to have another 23 owner on board. The 23 rides as well as anything else if not better then most. The bigger the seas the ride is meaningless and survival is the most important thing in every captainís mind. I would only feel safe in a whaler and that's why I own one. ďWater or no water in the bilge just don't get my batteries wet and I will be happy"
Sixer posted 05-14-2002 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
diveorfish,
I've found the more attention you pay to trim the better the 23 will ride. Likes more of a bow down attitude than other boats I've owned. Just my observation. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
VMG posted 05-16-2002 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
Trim makes alotta difference in ride quality. Do you have tabs? If you're new at the game, spend some time getting to know what your rig likes best in varying sea conditions. If the Merc gauges provide the info, you'll also notice that you can tweek your fuel mileage considerably. On my set-up, I get fairly significant mileage changes (about 10%) with some relatively minor tab movements. Sometimes its counter-intuitive -- I see the best cruise mileage performance with the motor trimmed up to about 3 and and a little bow-down tab.
aubv posted 05-16-2002 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
To new to my boat to add much but have found that trimming the engine to about 2.5 seems to be the right place for running 3500-4200 rpm. Haven't figured out the tabs yet.

Anyone have a trailer for their 23'OR?

VMG posted 05-16-2002 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
I've got a Magic Tilt....I've forgotten the model number. Tandem axle, bunks, brakes. Occasionally power load at the ramp but depends on the slope, tide etc. Has worked well to this point.
Ed Stone posted 05-16-2002 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
aubv,
I have a slide-on aluminum trailer with
dual torsion axles and drum brakes.
I have been power loading my 23 since I
got it.The only time I have trouble is
when there is a strong cross wind.
They have a web site slideon.com

I pulled the boat down to the scale
and weighed it.
166 gal.gas
5 gal. oil
9 gal.water
portti potti
2 anchors
7 rods & reels
T-top
bow pulpit
twin 135 optis
dual axle trailer
7380 Lbs.

Good thing the boat ramp I use is only
5 miles away.
Ed Stone

diveorfish posted 05-16-2002 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for diveorfish  Send Email to diveorfish     
Thanks for all the replies I am learning a lot. I have to come clean though. Not only is this my first Whaler, itís my first boat above the size of a 14 ft inflatable. (Which really doesnít count Iím finding out) I think the dealer thought I was nuts for making this my first boat purchase but Iím sure they were glad to get the money and theyíve been truly fabulous. (Shameless plug for the OUTBOARD MOTOR SHOP of Alameda)

To answer some aubvís questions.

I have a Pacific Trailer. These are excellent custom trailers and practically every offshore fishing boat in No. Cal. sits on one. As you would expect, itís a galvanized bunk, tandem with drum brakes and flush kit. According to the dealer it weighs 1275 lbs.

I also have my electronics. I got the Furuno Navnet color radar/chart plotter/GPS unit as well as a color Furuno sounder and an ICOM VHF. It was my dealerís recommendation. Hopefully it was a good call on their part?


One more question to everyone:

Do you all keep your tank full or, do you only put in enough fuel to cover each trip, plus adequate reserve? The book says to keep it full so moisture doesnít gather in the tank. My dealer says to fuel up each trip so the gas will always be fresh. Which is it?

aubv posted 05-17-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Thanks for the replies on trailers I will be buying one shortly and will keep you posted on which one I get. Leaning towards Boat Master.

Diveorfish,

From the safety stand point I wouldn't even consider just putting in enough to cover trip. When I am fishing just for a weekend I use the boat then fill at end of weekend. When I fish for the month, I will fish for 2-6 days using no more than 2/3 of a tank before filling. The exception to this is the beginning of the year when I intentionally use almost all of last years fuel and then fill and go back to normal use. I do try to work with 72 gallon increments because of the dictates of fuel additives. It is advisable to keep your tanks filled as it reduces condensation. Fuel stabilizer should be added for over winter/long storage periods.
Brian

VMG posted 05-18-2002 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
My recollection is that fuel doesn't start to breakdown for approx 60 days. Thus, the 'keep it full' or 'fill it each time' debate should be based on how often you use the boat and other factors like weather contributors to condensation build-up. In eastern NC from May through September, condensation in the fuel system can be a real problem for boats not equipped to deal with the issue (i.e water filters etc). I suspect N Ca weather is more conducive to dry fuel systems, but I have no first-hand experience there.
Sixer posted 05-30-2002 07:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
So long, all. Sold the 23, on to other things.
VMG posted 05-30-2002 08:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
Hey Sixer, what did you get for it (if I might ask)?
aubv posted 05-30-2002 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Sixer,

Are you giving up boating?

Best of luck in your future endeavors. Thanks for your help.

Sixer posted 05-31-2002 07:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sixer    
aubv
for a while, thinking about the new Montauk. I'm retiring, will travel a bit and finish a cabin I started in the Adirondacks. The Montauk makes a bit more sense.
aubv posted 05-31-2002 07:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Sixer,

In your travels, if you make it to MV, I'd be happy to take you fishing.

Brian

Zurowski posted 06-17-2002 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Zurowski  Send Email to Zurowski     
Ed,

Sorry it has taken so long to reply. I am spending too much time on my new Whaler...

In regards to my canvas, I was able to get a local company to custom make a front bow cover, helm cover and seat cover. The bow cover goes from the anchor storage compartment to the helm with a support pole in front of the bow seat. This cover acts as a wonderful storage area as well as keeping the bow cushion clean. All three covers are very easy and quick to install.

What is the best tactic to keep seagulls off the t-top?

Thanks,

Walter Z.

Ed Stone posted 06-17-2002 09:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
Walter,
Sounds like a nice set of covers.
Is the bow cover just for storage or
while underway.

As far as sea gulls I don't keep our
Whaler near the beach so we don't have
a problem with gulls.

You have probaly read there is a 24 foot
Outrage coming out to replace the current
23 Outrage.I have not seen any official
word or pictures of the new 24.
I don't have a problem with my 23 Outrage.
But,If there was some things you could
change what would they be?
I would add to the fresh water capacity,
replace the rubber foot pads on the center
console with non skid in the gelcoat,
shorten the fishbox lid to allow the self
bailing scupper holes to be exposed,
add supports to the area around the
boarding ladder and maybe sharpen the
bow entry and transom deadrise.
I have to say it again I'm fine with the
way my 23 is now.And not only that our
driveway won't hold a larger Whaler.
Ed Stone

bsmotril posted 06-17-2002 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
You can keep the birds of the top by suspending either fishing line, or netting an inch or two above the top. They don't like to get their feet tangles. I use an old hammok over my hardtop stretched tight over the top with a 2"diam piece of PVC pipe on each side to hold the net above the top. Ropes running through the pipe and tied to the hartop frame hold it all in place.
BillS
aubv posted 07-29-2002 08:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Thought I would post this for those that are interested:

I took our 23' OR "Nellie Victor" on a 250 mile trip from NJ to MA. last weekend. Left the dock at 4:55 AM on Sat 7/20 went out of Barnegat Inlet, NJ and headed north to the BA buoy and then from the BA buoy to Montauk. Made it to Montauk in just over 7 hours. Average speed was 25 mph. Used 85 gallons of gas to travel about 175 miles. Left Montauk and traveled south of Block Island and arrived Sat. 7/20 at destination on MV in about 4-1/2 hours a distance of only 75 miles. Traveling this leg was slow due to tide and wind action causing some very vertical short interval seas. Averaged only 16 mph. We spent some time fishing the following two days. During this three day period we spent a total of 24 hours on the boat including towing a 17' bow rider who broke down.
I must say the boat handled very well and my crew at the end of the third day commented on how safe he felt on the boat despite 18 knot winds one day and 20 knot winds another. I also can't imagine what it was like to navigated without a modern GPS!

whalersman posted 07-29-2002 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
For you Outrage 23 ft. enthusiasts, there is a 2000 Outrage 23' for sale on eBay for $46,500.00
I have no idea if this is a good price or not.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1846505857

aubv,
Congratulations on your new boat. I am still enjoying my new to me Outrage 17 but am also thinking about moving up in size.

Regards,
Joe

aubv posted 07-30-2002 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Whalersman,

Thank you. What year 17'OR? I have a '96 17' OR, also.

Brian

whalersman posted 07-31-2002 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
aubv,
I have a 1997 Outrage 17 with a 1998 Mercury 115 Offshore. My friend just bought a 1996 with a Johnson 115 Oceanrunner.... We are both enjoying our new to us boats. I still have, and probably always will have, a 1978 Montauk.. Just can't seem to part with this Classic boat. The Classic Montauks (and Outrages) remind me of the 1940 Ford Woodies....
I hooked on Whalers.
Joe

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