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ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
posted 04-13-2002 07:53 AM ET (US)
Was in Madison yesterday and stopped by Skipper Buds. They had a new Vigilant in their dry storage ready for some Sheriffs department. It was a beautiful boat, twin 250 mercury efis. Had the cabin up top. My question is how is boat like that gonna get used in central Wisconsin. Seems like an absolute waiste of money. Our lakes are tiny, they'll never get those monster 250s open long enough to let em breathe. An incredible boat but big $$$$ If the boat is headed to Miwaukee county I can see the reason, Lake Michigan is a big Lake, but Central Wisconsin?? That is why we have insanely high taxes here in Wisconsin, one of the reasons I am in process of becoming a Florida (crystal River) resident.
posted 04-13-2002 08:26 AM ET (US)
A Boston Whaler, regardless of its intended use (or the lack thereof) is NEVER as waste of money!
I've seen two Vigilants at the CPD factory, and they are quite impressive. Perhaps you would let us know just what the intended use of that boat is...
posted 04-13-2002 04:23 PM ET (US)
Its a beautiful boat don't get me wrong but what is the point of 500 HP on a small lake??? Is that tax dollars well spent? You tell me.
posted 04-13-2002 04:27 PM ET (US)
Intended use? what do ya think they the county would do with a boat on a tiny set of lakes???? Also remember that our bodies of water are frozen November to March, maybe they use the boat as a planter in the winter? Hmmmmm
posted 04-13-2002 04:51 PM ET (US)
Nothing more than a 27 hull been produced for 20 years! Best hull Whaler has ever designed.
You going to find out where she'll be used or just keep making noise Dogface?
She isn't what is classed as a "trailer" boat even by government standards so where she's a going that's where she'll stay.
Tax dollars yikes wish we paid the pittance Wisc folks pay ...........
posted 04-13-2002 10:01 PM ET (US)
You guys are a trip. Making noise is it? Why is it you, or should I say us Whaler owners have so uppidy an attitude, I never meant to make trouble. I will save my comments and questions for more open minded forums. I ask a question about the need for the large motors and I get insulting questions and comments, if you had read the article tough guy you might have noticed that all my comments about the boat were positive I only questioned the choice of motors. Maybe you are not aware tough guy that we in Wisconsin have the 2nd highest taxes in the coutry but I am sure you don't care. Also be aware Big shooter that I have more invested in my Whaler than 90% of the folks on this forum and truelly believe that they are the best boat on the water but apparently you don't like "new blood" on your forum. So I am outa here, thanks for the great hello, you'll find DaDog on the FS Forum where they are a little less anal retentive. Oh by the way I find it interesting that you'll make personal comments like you did on the net but my guess if you met me you'd sh-t your pants before insulting me to my face....... DWS
posted 04-13-2002 10:42 PM ET (US)
Wow.....negative waves, man.How about a do-over, eh?
posted 04-13-2002 11:03 PM ET (US)
I don't speak for anyone but myself but BUGSY MALONE character has been just that....a character. He is new (with only 8 posts) to this forum and, quite frankly, I have found his few posts odd and senseless.
I hope you don't judge the rest of us the same way.
I myself am always looking for additional members' input and hope you'll find a way to come back and help us all with your individual knowledge and insights.
posted 04-13-2002 11:07 PM ET (US)
Dogface, maybe back off on the testosterone, OK? This is just a bunch of regular folks. Your first post didn't sound like a complaint just about motors. Take it easy.
posted 04-14-2002 02:06 AM ET (US)
Yeah, new members are always welcome. Why it seems like only yesterday that Big Shot had only 8 posts.
posted 04-14-2002 06:40 AM ET (US)
Hopefully your negative response was not triggered by my stating that the "Boston Whaler...is NEVER a waste of money." That is a JOKE, kindly take it as such. Relaxation is in order here...boating is supposed to be a pleasure!
The Vigilant you described probably cost between $150,000 and $200,000. As a taxpayer, I understand your dismay. Unfortunately, waste is often a hallmark of government spending. You have seen, I'm afraid, the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
I questioned the intended use for the boat, as it seems unusual to have a 27'X10' CPD boat with 500HP on it to patrol "tiny" lakes. Asking the sheriff's department directly for clarification is not unreasonable.
I am unfamiliar with Wisconsin's geography and trailering laws, but they may intend on trailering boat. I see huge Sea Ray type boats on triple axle trailers transported from Orlando to Daytona Beach almost every weekend. Is there another body of water in close proximity that, if trailered to it, the boat would be suitable?
Also, I'd suggest your inspecting the boat closely. Is is just being stored there temporarily for "some" sheriff's department? It is possible that the boat was not at its final destination.
As far as your proposed move to Crystal River: I'd suggest examining the waterways and new no-wake and manatee zone restrictions prior to buying a boat. I haven't been there in about 10 years, but I hear that things have changed drastically with regards to this. The regulations are now supposed to be strict with long no-wake zones. You'll find the tax rates in Florida more palatable, also.
posted 04-14-2002 09:22 AM ET (US)
Admiral Linda is from Madison. I remember
a good sized lake smack in the middle of
town. Not huge, but big enough.
posted 04-14-2002 09:29 AM ET (US)
They have got to be planning on using the boat on the big lake.
posted 04-18-2002 07:54 PM ET (US)
Just found this thread.
Being that I live in Madison, I have to agree slightly with DaDog on that being a big Whaler for here, but not necessarily too big. There are quite a few large Sea Rays, etc. in the 35 foot range around, but what a waste. Boatels are all they are good for. The sheriff has been cruising the last few years in a cat (don't know what kind), I think a 25 footer. Lake Mendota (the big lake) is roughly 5 miles x 6 miles. Not a lot of water for a boat that size unless they are going to use it for the lifesaving station, which is mainly meant for rescuing sailboats from the university that get tipped over or out too far. There are four lakes in the area, connected by the Yahara river. There is a lock and dam between the two larger lakes, but if they put a pilot house on that boat it will not fit under the bridges.
Now I have to go check this thing out! It looks like I won't have the biggest Whaler on the block anymore.
Okay, the suspense killed me. I called Skipper Buds. It's for the Dane County Sheriff to be put on Mendota. Here's what kills me- the Mercs are saltwaters! Even the sales guy got a laugh on that one. Right on. Can you say pre-rig?
Disclaimer: I have no idea where I was going with this post.
posted 04-18-2002 08:27 PM ET (US)
Mendota is a shallow lake. It can really whip up in a hurry.
If you have ever had to do a rescue on the water - like you HAD to go ("You have to go out, you just don't have to come back...") you might feel differently about the horsepower and size of boat.
Consider a sizeable boat breakdown (not out of the question on that lake) with bad weather coming. Wouldn't you like to have the horsepower to tow against a 50 knot wind? Wouldn't you like to have the size of boat to get past a large, short cross chop so you didn't ship water over the side? Add to this that you could have to do this at a temp in the upper 30s to lower 40s. That is one dangerous situation.
All of a suddent things look alot different. If you have ever been on one of the midwest lakes with serious weather it is no laughing matter. I once sailed with a USCG Lt Cmdr who had been XO of a cutter in the North Atlantic and now CO of a cutter on the Great Lalkes. The comment was made that rough weather on the Great Lakes was way worse than what they had seen in the NA. Our weather is no tame thing.
Unfortunately, with these sorts of things, you can't set it up for average conditions, you have to go for worst case - the nature of rescue.
I live in MN, we also have high taxes and I hate it. But, when it comes to safety for the people that would have to use this, not a bad value. Rule #1 of rescue - save your self first. For what most sheriff department's pay, the risk isn't worth it if there is trouble. But they always go out....
I know that here a starting sheriff makes something like $17K per year. Pretty bad considering that you might get shot, or die in the line of duty.
posted 04-19-2002 08:15 AM ET (US)
I have settled down. I guess the bottom line is that if the boat saves one life it is worth it. Man I wish I had gotten a picture of the boat it was gorgeous.
posted 04-27-2002 12:54 PM ET (US)
Dog, I'll be sure to get a couple pictures of it this season out on the lake (I just hope it's not because they stopped me!). I'll post a link when I can. Still haven't been over to see it.
posted 05-01-2002 02:40 PM ET (US)
Regarding V6 "Saltwater Series" engines, a name used by both Mercury and Yamaha, this actually defines engines with 25" or 30" shaft length, and available Counter Rotation models, with some additional SS components, such as the tilt tube.
The 27' Whalers all require CR 25" shaft engines, so the "saltwater" designation and blue Mercury graphics simply come automatically, no other choice available. Mercury's same HP engines in 20" shaft have red graphics and no CR or saltwater designation. These are mostly for the bass boats, which do not use 25" shafts.
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