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Purchase? - 1994 Dauntless 15 Value?
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posted 04-13-2002 07:57 PM ET (US)
I have a chance to buy a 1994 Dauntless 15, with at 1994 Evinrude 70. Also includes a trailer. The boat is Very good>Excellent shape overall, with low hours. NADA retail says the boat is worth (Average) $5595. This seems low to me. He is asking 8500 but is flexible.
At $8500, I would get an older Monatuk, I think. Advice/Thoughts?
posted 04-15-2002 12:46 AM ET (US)
I'd suggest the Montauk. Personal experience with a 15 Dauntless revealed drainage "issues." (I'll leave it at that.)
The Dauntless rides well, trailers easily, has great visibility from the reversible pilot seat, and a dry ride. Despite these qaulities, I cannot recommend the boat due to my [unpleasant] experience.
There is an earlier thread regarding this if you look back a bit.
The Montauk is tried and true. Despite its shortcomings (limited storage, stiff ride in a chop), it planes with minimal power at a low speed, tracks well, and offers lateral stability far superior to that of the Dauntless. The Montauk also has resale value and a larger market.
posted 04-15-2002 08:31 AM ET (US)
Are you going to be trailering the boat?
If so don't worry about the "drainage issues" that Paul mentions. While true, there is a simple fix for a trailered boat. Just buy some expansion plugs from a harware store and plug the scuppers from the inside. These plugs are rubber sandwiched between two metal plates. a bolt is through the center. Put plug in, tighten bolt and the rubber expands to seal the hole.
Now if the boat is going to be left in the water then the drainage issue is more substantial. The root cause is that the scuppers are below the water line when the boat is stationary or at displacement speeds. The rubber flaps that are supposed to seal the scuppers from water intrusion don't work very well.
If you do use the plugs, install them on the inside of the boat. Despite the cosmetics, you need to be able to get them out easily while using the boat. Getting caught in a downpour or a wave over the bow won't sink this Whaler (like all Whalers) but you still need to get the water out.
Now as far as the Dauntless 15 compared to the Montauk weigh some other factors. Can you get a 1994 Montauk with a 1994 motor in as good of shape as the Dauntless 15 for the same price? Probably not. A quick searc of traderonline shows that the youngest Montauk in the price range you describe is a 1986, with a 1986 motor.
My suggetion is to take it for a ride and if you like offer the guy $7000 or $7500, cash, as in real greenbacks. Many times the site of a stack of money makes people more open to bargaining. But walking around with that kinda cash, makes most people nervous as well.
posted 04-15-2002 09:49 AM ET (US)
I owned a 15D and I fixed the problem of scuppers that allowed water on the deck with the "ping-pong" ball type with cup mounted on the exterior. The result, very little water would enter through them, maybe a half of cup of water, and they allowed drainage. The only problem I had with the D15 was it tended to be rough riding in a moderate chop.
posted 04-15-2002 12:13 PM ET (US)
another good suggestion Tallydon.
They are Sea Scuppers made by Rabud in Dania, FL.
posted 04-17-2002 03:52 PM ET (US)
I use the same "ping pong ball" type stopper for my main drain in a '83 Montauk and it works great. Never have to worry about messing with a plug and it leaks very little...if at all.
posted 04-17-2002 10:28 PM ET (US)
I have a 1998 Dauntless 15 with 50 hp Merc 4 stroke. I haven't been bothered with excessive water coming in from the scuppers although many others have complained about it. Perhaps there was a design change over the 4 years of D15 production, or perhaps others carry considerably more weight.
Here are a couple of photos to add to the discussion.
posted 04-18-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)
I bought a D15 last year - almost the same rig you are talking about. I looked around and found several - all from $11K-13K on a trailer. I paid $10,600 for mine on a galvanized trailer.
I goes, I mean really goes. I live on a river that has heavy chop due to traffic at times. I have not had any problems with ride (obviously you need to throttle back), very comfortable handling on this when done right.
I have some water come in from the scuppers when the boat is stopped. I am going to do the plugs and/or ping pong ball floats. I had no problem when I stored the boat last year on the water in a marina for 2 months.
This year, I bought a floating dock (for other reasons) so that I can keep the boat at my house, so it won't be a problem one way or the other.
I did notice a tendency to porpoise if you start to pick the motor up with the trim. I installed a sting ray fin this year. Haven't tried it out yet, but I am sure that it will help from others I have talked to.
Personally, I think its a great boat for knocking around, fishing, tubing with the kids etc... My wife uses it with the kids (small) to keep an eye on them sailing their dinghy.
I really beat this thing up before purchase. I ran it into major waves - even got it almost airborne. Not a drop of water in the boat. This is one tough little boat that can handle problems if they occur.
The only problem I have had was with the lights. There is a short in there somewhere, I finally just had the marina rewire the whole thing. They found a bad switch and fuse holder.
The other thing I did was to add the Pate Plastics Tank for under the seat. It fits way, way better than a standard tank and you get 15gals out of it. I did that since it is screwed down and to keep the five fingered discount down.
Anyhow, If you could get this boat for $8500 I'd be all over it if the engine is good etc... A trailer can be had used for $500 or so (if not included). Otherwise, I think it is fairly priced. Blue book seems to be one thing, but it is really hard to find one that will actually sell for that. There are very few on the market in my experience.
I personally, due to the body of water I am on, would prefer the Dauntless style of hull to the Montauk. I think the freeboard would be an issue, and the ride in chop most certainly would be.
Hope this helps.
posted 04-18-2002 12:34 AM ET (US)
Actually, I just checked traderonline.com and there isn't a 15 for less than 11K. Sounds like your $8500 might be a pretty good deal.
This is similiar to the experience that I had last year.
Also - to emphasize on the drain plugs issue - I only had a little water in the boat after a rain. Like a patch at the stern 1/2" deep and maybe 8" back from the transom. I only had water coming in from the scuppers if I was standing on the back seats or there were two people in the back (adults). Its not a problem, I'm sure the ping pong balls would fix it.
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