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gf posted 05-28-2002 03:43 PM ET (US)   Profile for gf   Send Email to gf  

A friend is looking at a 1997 Outrage 20, any idea what the hull weight is on this model?

tully_mars posted 05-28-2002 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
My 1996 21' Outrage hull weight is 2400lbs, I would imagine the 20 is around 1900lbs since it is a bit smaller boat.

Tully Mars

Ed Stone posted 05-28-2002 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
20' Outrage,2200lbs.
8'4"beam,87gal.fuel,
swamped cap.4800lbs.
LOA 19'8"
phatwhaler posted 05-30-2002 06:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
gf, a 1997 20 OR is the same as a 19 Justice CPD boat. All the specs are on the Whaler website.
phatwhaler out.
gf posted 05-30-2002 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for gf  Send Email to gf     

Thanks, guys! We have since gotten our hands on the '97 catalogue too!
Bob D posted 05-31-2002 05:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bob D  Send Email to Bob D     
Isn't the 97 20 OR the first euro design made by brunswick?

I've been told by reliable sources that the Justice line came from the 96 outrage design. The boat is identical to the justice right down to the commercial rub rails. I've rafted up with a state police 19 justice with my 96 19 Outrage and it's the same boat.

gf posted 05-31-2002 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for gf  Send Email to gf     

This boat has a conventional notched transom.
Hawk posted 05-31-2002 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
I am looking at a 1998 Outrage 20 with 225 merc, T-top. Is this a model that you would recommend, and what is a fair price range?
tully_mars posted 05-31-2002 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
Hawk,

let me know before you buy your 20' Outrage, or let me know what your price range is. I am selling my 1996 Outrage 21, T-top, 225 Ocean Pro Evinrude, and it is really nice. You might be able to get a lot more boat for the money.

Tully Mars

Hawk posted 06-01-2002 12:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
Tully I sent you an e-mail. I am going to look at the boat tomorrow. If I like it will probably buy it. I am interested in how this model performs, rides, planes, likes, dislikes from the experts on this board. I have never been in a whaler-have always admired them.
mbking1 posted 06-01-2002 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Hawk:

Congrats on your decision to buy a Whaler. You will never regret it. Keep us posted as to which one you end up with. Mark

tully_mars posted 06-02-2002 12:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
Once you have one you will never have another boat. They are the best.

Tully Mars

Hawk posted 06-08-2002 08:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
I bought the 20'Outrage. Thanks for all the help. Tully has a very nice 21' for sale at a fair price. Because I am on a small lake I decided to with the smaller 20'.
Swellmonster posted 06-11-2002 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Hawk,
Congrats on the boat of a life time!
I have a 1998 20 O/R w/merc 225 efi.
LOVE IT! Trim tabs make a big difference too! What size/make prop are you running?
Hawk posted 06-11-2002 11:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
Does anybody have bow cushions?
phatwhaler posted 06-12-2002 01:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
Hawk, I have the bow cushion, and stern quarter cushions. My boat is a '96 19 OR with a 150 efi. T-top, comfort package, and fish package. I wish I had trim tabs like swellmonster because the boat could use them. Swell also has a neat freshwater shower installed in the console. Anyway, congrats and talk to ya later.

phatwhaler out.

Hawk posted 06-12-2002 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
Where could I buy bow cushions? How do they attach? Also wondered if there is a source for lifejacket holders in the T-top.
Phat-are the cushions comfy to sit on?
aubv posted 06-12-2002 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     
Hawk,

I have bow cushion for 17' OR & 23' OR. They have snaps that hold them in place. Yes, they are comfortable but we are not talking lazy-boy. They do make casting a bit more difficult, so I only use them when out cruising, if fishing they stay at home.
Here is a web site for t-top storage, I haven't purchased them so can't say good or bad.
www.tpakmarine.com/

fwiw

Hawk posted 06-13-2002 08:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
Thanks for the link. I think that I will order one. Looks like a good idea.
Does anyone have a good source for the bow cushions?
Bob D posted 06-17-2002 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bob D  Send Email to Bob D     
Hawk,
I'm running a "96" 19 OR w/200hp Johnson Ocean Runner. Trim Tabs are the only way to go on this boat.
The bow cushion is thin and is held down by snaps. It doesn't have a back rest which is needed if you have people sitting up there under way.

I found out a little more information on this hull from Whaler.

The hull on the 19 OR is the same as the 20 OR. It is also the same boat as their commercial line 19' Justice.

The hull was used on the Outrage for four years from 1996 thru 1999 model years.

LOA: 19' 8" (5.99 m)
Beam: 8' 4" (2.54 m)
Draft: 15" (.38 m)
Weight: 2335 lbs (1059 kg)
Maximum Weight: 2230 lbs (1011 kg)
Swamped Capacity: 4800 lbs (2177 kg)
Person Capacity: 9
Maximum Horsepower: 225 hp (167 kw)
Minimum Horsepower: 130 hp (96 kw)
Maximum Engine Weight: 540 lbs (244 kg)
Shaft: 25" (.63 m)
Fuel Capacity: 87 gal (329 L)

Swellmonster posted 06-18-2002 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
I have the bow cushion. Sure it is comfortable. My snaps never held it in place when I was under way. So I tuck it behind the front cooler whick also gives your front passenger back support.
Check with one of your local boat top/cushion stores and see how much they can make one for.
I have also taken the front bow cushion and place on the rear deck floor and slept on it too.
Hawk posted 06-20-2002 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
Please give a little more info on the trim tabs. What kind do you have? How much do they cost? Do you see significant difference on how fast you plane out? Are you able to stay on plane at slower speed? How and when do you use them?
As a novice Whaler owner I sure appreciate all of the suggestions and help offered by the experts.
Swellmonster posted 06-23-2002 12:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Hawk,
I have Bennet Trim Tabs. They should be around $600 - $800.
I rarely use them to start off, unless I am EXTREMELY shallow water.
I mostly use them to balance my people (load) and to controll the vessel under different wave conditions.
Look at Bennet's web site and probe them and determine what you and they think are best.
(I think I spelled Bennett wrong).
Let us know what you find.....
PDM posted 06-26-2002 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for PDM    
The 19' 8" hull is also used in the Dauntless 20 design before they changed the Daunless from a dual console to a center console. It's a great boat and perfect for my purposes, tubing inshore and venturing near offshore (5 miles). I have an Evinrude 175 on it and max out at 40 MPH per GPS. The 87 gallon tank makes for infrequent trips to the gas dock. Has anybody ridden in both the "old" OR 20 with the 19' 8" hull and the new OR 18? How do they compare?
JustFish posted 06-28-2002 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustFish  Send Email to JustFish     
I am seatrialing a 19' Justice on Wednesday. Another O/R thread contained a post saying the '96 O/R was the worst-riding boats he'd ever been in. I know the production supervisor of that line when it was being produced on the recreational side and he said it was one of the best ever made.

The 21 Justice is only a foot longer, but does weigh much more. Is that one better. The 21 they just discontinued (head in the console) is too tall for me to store or I would consider it. I hear the new 210 is really been stripped down.

Can I get some more opinions please. I don't want to buy the Justice to find out it porpoises like crazy on a calm day. A seatrial is only going to give me so much....

tully_mars posted 06-28-2002 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for tully_mars  Send Email to tully_mars     
My 1996 Outrage 21 is the same hull as the Justice 21, and I can tell you it is an awesome boat. Never had any ride problems here.

Can't say about a 19, never been in it but it is a much smaller boat. The 19 and 20 hulls are the same just called different things in different years I think.

Overall the 21 is much bigger, let me know if you are interested. I am selling my Outrage 21 due to my new Conquest.

Tully Mars

JustFish posted 06-29-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for JustFish  Send Email to JustFish     
The LOA on the 19 and the 21 is only a 13" difference and the beam is only 2". The biggest difference I can determine is the weight. The 21 is another 300#.

Hawk posted 07-03-2002 07:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hawk  Send Email to Hawk     
When my '98 OR 20 is coming out of the hole the bow rides high before it planes out. Would trim tabs help ?
VMG posted 07-03-2002 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
Hawk, the question is how long does it stay that way and what does it take to get it "over the hill" so-to-speak? I'm assuming you understand engine trim and load position and they're not a factor in the situation you address. I had a 97 OR 21 and tabs would have been a waste of time and $$. Slightly larger boat but...
Bob D posted 07-08-2002 04:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bob D  Send Email to Bob D     
Hawk,
I had the same problem when I first got the 19. I installed a cheap one piece aluminum "whale-tail" on the cavitation plate of the motor. That made the boat jump right up on plane compared to first going sky high from the torque of the motor. It also made the boat stay on plane at much lower RPM's. Make sure that your motor is trimmed all the way in (down) on your hole shots.

The Trim Tabs will do what the whale tail does and it will also give you adjustment for unbalanced loads port to starboard.

Talk to someone at Bennett about what model sport tabs you should go with. This will depend on if you have a transducer or speedo/temp sensor installed on the transom. They have a new model of the sport tabs out for trailer boats. These may be the ticket for you setup.
If you don't want to spend the bucks on the tabs right now go with the whale-tail.

Bob D posted 07-08-2002 05:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bob D  Send Email to Bob D     
JustFish,
I have a feeling that the problem with the porpoising that some have is from the motor not being hung properly. I had to have the dealer move the motor up one hole after they had installed it the first time. Every boat/outboard combo has to be dialed in and not all dealers know how to do it.

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