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stroke posted 05-28-2002 07:41 PM ET (US)
Has anyone heard of a new 24 outrage to be launched next week. I called a local whaler dealer and asked about the price of a 23 rage, he said that model was being disco'd and was going to be replaced by a 24.
what i want to know is are the new 21 and 27 hulls better then the current 23's As i am trying to decide if i should wait for a new 24 or get a decked out 23 . Any one who can comment please do.
Ed Stone posted 05-28-2002 09:20 PM ET (US)
I would wait until the 24' came out.
Not because I don't think the 23 is a
good boat.If they are coming out with
a new model the prices should drop on
the 23Outrage.
A new hull at 24feet would not qualify
for the class 23 and under in the SKA
kingfish tournament.The new hulls look
to attract the go fast tournament guys.
I would think someone would be thinking
of that when the boat was designed.
aubv posted 05-28-2002 10:02 PM ET (US)
Stroke,
What kind of pricing are you being quoted for the 23'OR? There where some incentives during the boat show season on the 2001 23 OR. My guess, Ed is right and they probably are already available.
Brian
aubv posted 05-28-2002 10:06 PM ET (US)
One other thought, the price tag on the 27' OR went to 100K+ with twins. Not sure what it was with the older model. Any idea what the pricing on the new 24' OR will be?
stroke posted 05-29-2002 05:36 AM ET (US)
The dealer told me it should be 3-5% higher then the current 23. He did not give me a exact price on the 23. But i was thinking with twin opti's, hard top fishing package it would be in the realm of 65-70. Does that sound right?
lhg posted 05-29-2002 05:04 PM ET (US)
As a designer myself, I can tell you that all of the first Whaler Outrages designed under the Brunswick ownership are now being re-done or eliminated, along with the Conquests built on those same hulls. The 18 Outrage was short lived, then the 21 disappeared, and with the 23 Conquest discontinued, the 23 & 26 Outrage will also go. The new 270 Outrage clearly is meant to replace the 26 Outrage, since it is the same size boat, much better proportioned. The 26 is probably only still in the line to clear out excess inventory. Conquests are no longer being built on Outrage hulls, except for the 28 (or whatever numbers they're now using for the 28)
In my opinion, the new hulls, first apparent in the 210 and 270, are better looking, lighter weight, with a smaller, lower profile, and have more appearance of the earlier Whaler smirk. The center consoles are also new, and use up less of valuable interior floor space. High profile bow rails are also disappearing, and "inshore" idea I personally disagree with for serious offshore use.
So to me it completely makes sense that a new "240" is in the works for 2003. In spite of the number, it could very well be smaller, trimmer, lighter and better looking than the old 23. I'm also betting a "190" is coming along, although this is pure speculation. Could it be that the Dauntless line is about to disappear? On all of these new models, the three number naming system is being used to "stretch" the length implication compared to what we are used to with the Classic Whalers. But since the other guys are doing this, including Sea Ray, I guess they wanted to take advantage of this for Whalers also. NEVER assume when buying one of these boats that you can drop the last digit and get actual hull length. The bigger number simply gets a higher price for the boat, or makes you think you are getting more for your buck.
Bow pulpits and integral transom brackets are usually included, so without a tape measure you have no idea of what you're getting.
I recently had a chance to go over a new "270" Outrage in great detail, with tape measure and camera in hand. My findings are EXCEPTIONALLY interesting. I'm going to forward the info to JimH for another "New Montauk" style article, if I can get him interested in doing it. If not, I'll simply do a Forum post.
If the 210 and 270 Outrages are indicative, I would definitely wait for the new 240. I believe them both superior in design and appearance, albeit somewhat smaller, to the boats they replaced.
stroke posted 05-29-2002 07:10 PM ET (US)
That as a very informative article, i want to know how the 27 and 21 handle comparativle. I have had 2 whaler in the last 18 months a 16 daunt and then traded in for a 18 - 2000 rage with a 150 v6 carb. I love the rage , just want a little bigger for my family and offshore fishing in caribbean. What i am wondering is did they skimp on the 21 and 27 at all. Will this boat be of the same whaler quality? I am expecting to pay about 70k for a fully fitted 240 as i am sure thats the price range, the 27 is priced at 95-100k and the 21 is around 40-50 from what i have heard. If anyone has been in the 27 or 21 can you please give you comments.
thanx
jason
aubv posted 05-29-2002 10:47 PM ET (US)
stoke,
I saw this advertised back in March(?)
a new 2001 23' OR with dual 135 merc optimax engines and the following equipment, was listed for $57,600.
Porta Potti w/pumpout & O/B Discharge
Sun Top w/Boot
FWD Console Folding Seat
Leaning Post w/cooler
Smartcraft Gauge Package
Trim Tabs
Livewell w/Washdown
Aft Coaming Bolsters
Hydraulic Steering
9-Gallon Freshwater Shower
In-Deck Fishboxes (2) w/pumpout
I was on the 27' OR at the NY boat show and it is what prompted me to buy a 2001 23' OR. I don't like the changes, it is way to much of a go fast boat for me, it looks just like any other go fast boat, in my opinion. As lhg has pointed out the 23' OR is the last of the first Brunswick designed hulls, making the new ones even more removed from good basic boats, than ever before. I felt that with new designs and new pricing that taking advantage of the pricing available on older 23' OR made cents, as I decided that I wouldn't be buying a newer style whaler. Isn't it amazing how two different people look at the same thing and come away with two completely different opinions!
fwiw

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Author	Topic: Whaler 24 outrage
stroke	posted 05-28-2002 07:41 PM ET (US) Has anyone heard of a new 24 outrage to be launched next week. I called a local whaler dealer and asked about the price of a 23 rage, he said that model was being disco'd and was going to be replaced by a 24. what i want to know is are the new 21 and 27 hulls better then the current 23's As i am trying to decide if i should wait for a new 24 or get a decked out 23 . Any one who can comment please do.
Ed Stone	posted 05-28-2002 09:20 PM ET (US) I would wait until the 24' came out. Not because I don't think the 23 is a good boat.If they are coming out with a new model the prices should drop on the 23Outrage. A new hull at 24feet would not qualify for the class 23 and under in the SKA kingfish tournament.The new hulls look to attract the go fast tournament guys. I would think someone would be thinking of that when the boat was designed.
aubv	posted 05-28-2002 10:02 PM ET (US) Stroke, What kind of pricing are you being quoted for the 23'OR? There where some incentives during the boat show season on the 2001 23 OR. My guess, Ed is right and they probably are already available. Brian
aubv	posted 05-28-2002 10:06 PM ET (US) One other thought, the price tag on the 27' OR went to 100K+ with twins. Not sure what it was with the older model. Any idea what the pricing on the new 24' OR will be?
stroke	posted 05-29-2002 05:36 AM ET (US) The dealer told me it should be 3-5% higher then the current 23. He did not give me a exact price on the 23. But i was thinking with twin opti's, hard top fishing package it would be in the realm of 65-70. Does that sound right?
lhg	posted 05-29-2002 05:04 PM ET (US) As a designer myself, I can tell you that all of the first Whaler Outrages designed under the Brunswick ownership are now being re-done or eliminated, along with the Conquests built on those same hulls. The 18 Outrage was short lived, then the 21 disappeared, and with the 23 Conquest discontinued, the 23 & 26 Outrage will also go. The new 270 Outrage clearly is meant to replace the 26 Outrage, since it is the same size boat, much better proportioned. The 26 is probably only still in the line to clear out excess inventory. Conquests are no longer being built on Outrage hulls, except for the 28 (or whatever numbers they're now using for the 28) In my opinion, the new hulls, first apparent in the 210 and 270, are better looking, lighter weight, with a smaller, lower profile, and have more appearance of the earlier Whaler smirk. The center consoles are also new, and use up less of valuable interior floor space. High profile bow rails are also disappearing, and "inshore" idea I personally disagree with for serious offshore use. So to me it completely makes sense that a new "240" is in the works for 2003. In spite of the number, it could very well be smaller, trimmer, lighter and better looking than the old 23. I'm also betting a "190" is coming along, although this is pure speculation. Could it be that the Dauntless line is about to disappear? On all of these new models, the three number naming system is being used to "stretch" the length implication compared to what we are used to with the Classic Whalers. But since the other guys are doing this, including Sea Ray, I guess they wanted to take advantage of this for Whalers also. NEVER assume when buying one of these boats that you can drop the last digit and get actual hull length. The bigger number simply gets a higher price for the boat, or makes you think you are getting more for your buck. Bow pulpits and integral transom brackets are usually included, so without a tape measure you have no idea of what you're getting. I recently had a chance to go over a new "270" Outrage in great detail, with tape measure and camera in hand. My findings are EXCEPTIONALLY interesting. I'm going to forward the info to JimH for another "New Montauk" style article, if I can get him interested in doing it. If not, I'll simply do a Forum post. If the 210 and 270 Outrages are indicative, I would definitely wait for the new 240. I believe them both superior in design and appearance, albeit somewhat smaller, to the boats they replaced.
stroke	posted 05-29-2002 07:10 PM ET (US) That as a very informative article, i want to know how the 27 and 21 handle comparativle. I have had 2 whaler in the last 18 months a 16 daunt and then traded in for a 18 - 2000 rage with a 150 v6 carb. I love the rage , just want a little bigger for my family and offshore fishing in caribbean. What i am wondering is did they skimp on the 21 and 27 at all. Will this boat be of the same whaler quality? I am expecting to pay about 70k for a fully fitted 240 as i am sure thats the price range, the 27 is priced at 95-100k and the 21 is around 40-50 from what i have heard. If anyone has been in the 27 or 21 can you please give you comments. thanx jason
aubv	posted 05-29-2002 10:47 PM ET (US) stoke, I saw this advertised back in March(?) a new 2001 23' OR with dual 135 merc optimax engines and the following equipment, was listed for $57,600. Porta Potti w/pumpout & O/B Discharge Sun Top w/Boot FWD Console Folding Seat Leaning Post w/cooler Smartcraft Gauge Package Trim Tabs Livewell w/Washdown Aft Coaming Bolsters Hydraulic Steering 9-Gallon Freshwater Shower In-Deck Fishboxes (2) w/pumpout I was on the 27' OR at the NY boat show and it is what prompted me to buy a 2001 23' OR. I don't like the changes, it is way to much of a go fast boat for me, it looks just like any other go fast boat, in my opinion. As lhg has pointed out the 23' OR is the last of the first Brunswick designed hulls, making the new ones even more removed from good basic boats, than ever before. I felt that with new designs and new pricing that taking advantage of the pricing available on older 23' OR made cents, as I decided that I wouldn't be buying a newer style whaler. Isn't it amazing how two different people look at the same thing and come away with two completely different opinions! fwiw