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Fbray posted 05-29-2002 04:41 PM ET (US)   Profile for Fbray   Send Email to Fbray  
Took delivery this weekend and put about five hours on the engine. We are very happy with the performance and the match. Weight does not seem to be a problem. The boat goes on plane so fast and rides great. The only problem is that the engine is so quiet when you are at low speed or docking that you might think that it had stalled! Also, my wife said (after seven boats) that she did not know how much noise water made against the hull underway! Can actually listen to the radio and have a conversation. We do not have data on fuel consumption yet but it seems minimal. Heard from someone that next year BW will not permit people to order a boat without a Merc. I think that is a big mistake personally but who am I? Had one minor problem: the throttle shift works very hard especially going into reverse. The dealer agreed and is addressing that problem. FB
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 06-02-2002 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for TRAFFICLAWYER    
I wouldnt have bought my 2001 Whaler UNLESS
it had the 200 HPDI YAMAHA!!!!

The last OPTIMAX I had had 20 HOURS and the POWER HEAD blew, after replacing the primer bulb and the leaking oil tank!!!

Majority of QUALITY boat vendors use YAMAHA!!!

lhg posted 06-03-2002 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Idiot!
David Ratusnik posted 06-04-2002 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Fbray- Please keep this thread going regarding your experiences with the new big Honda 4 stroke on a 22' Whaler. I am going to be repowering and this engine appeals to me. Pleased to hear that the weight issue does not seem to be a problem. Did you have a 2 stroke on the boat previously. If so, what differences do you note in hole shot, etc. I go back and forth between the 02 o3 Bomb Ficht and the Honda 4 stroke. Keep us informed. Thanks David
David Ratusnik posted 06-04-2002 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
ps- no large bias re Merc, just weak service in my locale. D
Fbray posted 06-05-2002 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fbray  Send Email to Fbray     
It is a brand new 2002 Dauntless ordered without the engine. The boat planes extremely fast. My only concern is the honda throttle which is very difficult to shift into reverse and gave me some problems when I was trying to dock gracefully in a tight situation. As I said the dealer agreed and the problem is supposed to have been fixed but we will not know until we pick up the boat next week.
B Bear posted 06-12-2002 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Dang Larry, I agree! He must have issues! LOL

Fabray,
I am interested in how the fix worked for you.

I just saw a 1992 Honda 70 on a Montauk still going strong with no reported problems and still looking good, used in saltwater. Longevity seems to be proven for Honda four storkes.

lhg posted 06-12-2002 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Looking at this several days later, I should apologize for my above comment. I just was unhappy to see the implication that Boston Whaler was not a quality boat builder since they install Mercury outboards.
B Bear posted 06-12-2002 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
Larry don't worry, you should see his posts in the "Posible fuel leak Dauntless 16".

It was after that I agreed with you. But you are right, a little tact that you normally display would be best. That is why I had to LOL.............Poor guy does have some issues.

Fbray posted 06-13-2002 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fbray  Send Email to Fbray     
No offense taken. I was not implying that BWs were not good boats, I was lamenting the possible loss of consumer choice regarding engines.

Weahter permitting, I will pick up the boat this Saturday. According to the dealer, they ordered some "new type of cables from Honda" that should solve my shifting problem. They were supposed to arrive yesterday. I am not an expert on these matters, and if anyone can elighten me on possible causes/solutions of the throttle problem, it would be greatly appreciated. "pax et lux"

DCPeters posted 06-13-2002 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
FBray...lhg, bear weren't wailing on you, but rather the next poster's comment about "quality boats" using Yamaha./
PMUCCIOLO posted 08-05-2002 04:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Fbray,

Do you have an update on the Dauntless 22 & Honda 225 package?

Paul

JustFish posted 08-05-2002 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustFish  Send Email to JustFish     
Beginning in September, Whaler will no longer ship "blank boats" on the recreational side. Blank boats are how a dealer would order them if they wanted a different engine installed.

So its all Merc or nothing. Commercial customers will still have a choice.

Brunswick owns both BW (via SeaRay) and Merc and though they claim they tested every engine and Merc was the best choice, I think we can safetly assume its because they are under the same parent.

In the larger 4 strokes - 90+, Mercs are actually Yamahas painted black.

Fbray posted 08-06-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fbray  Send Email to Fbray     
We are extremely pleased with the choice of the 225 Honda to power our 2002 22 foot Dauntless. We have about 30 hours on it in all sorts of conditions and no problems what so ever. Extremely quiet, and fuel efficient.
We have had it up to the mid 40's. The dealer said that it will go 50 but we are not the speeding type. We wil cruise about 25 and be happy. The only problem is to make certain that the dealer rigs the boat with the new "heavy duty" throttle cabels and not the ones that they are using on the smaller engines. We had trouble shifting at first, but with the new cabels from Honda that problem is gone.
Swellmonster posted 08-08-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Read an article about the top 4 225 four-strokes,
Merc (yami inside) was quitest,
bom ficht was the fastest
yami and honda was loud.

Best overall HONDA!!

FWIW.....

Clark Roberts posted 08-08-2002 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Just a nit-picker I suppose... the Evinrude Ficht is not a 4 stroke but a direct injected 2 stroke! Happy Whalin'... Clark... SCN
GlennGlenn posted 08-12-2002 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for GlennGlenn  Send Email to GlennGlenn     
Read an article about the top 4 225 four-strokes,
Merc (yami inside) was quitest,
bom ficht was the fastest
yami and honda was loud.
Best overall HONDA!!

Thats not exactly what it says; the Ficht was not only the fastest and the lightest by almost 100 lbs too and its fuel efficiency was NEAR the Honda and the Merc. Honda did wuin BUT subject to trepidations too.

Glenn Glenn

lhg posted 08-13-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I just saw a 26 Outrage, repowered from Yamaha to Evinrude. The white 225 Evinrudes (the guy said 2003 models) looked like the conventional 2-strokes, with no other markings, but much to my surprise, they were FICHTS. All of the Ram-Ficht markings and reference to Ficht is gone. I think it's smart marketing, as they looked like regular engines and didn't shout "trouble" to the onlooker! Sounded very quiet and smooth.

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